New survival/scout rifle just dropped. What do we think?

>dark mountain arms stowaway
>single shot, bolt action
>takedown design with a barrel that threads onto receiver. Chambering swaps are possible in the future. For now it's in 5.7x28
>threaded barrel
>2.8lbs
>AR grips
>comes in pistol variant
>$400 MSRP
Finally, it's here. A packable rifle in a respectable (i.e. not 22LR) chambering with more options to come.
Single shot chads won. 5.7 chads won. Scout rifle chads won.

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ew.

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The YouTube comments are fricking hilarious and reaffirm the suspicion that most gun owners are morons
    >WhY Isn’t It a SeMi-AutO?! WhErE's ThE MaGaZiNe???
    >My TaUrUs Tx22/PSA rOcK iS BeTtEr aS a SuRviVaL ToOl!

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah it’s pretty moronic and those people are right, nobody asked for this.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I did but in a RIFLE CART

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        I asked for it, 5.7 is an excellent survival rifle round but every gun chambered in it larps it as a tactical round. That shit ain't great for humans, it's a varmint round that can pull killing humans if need be.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >5.7 is an excellent survival rifle round

          Exain yourself homosexual

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            It can pull varmint hunting to up to medium size game hunting. It's underpowered and lacks mass for something human or deer sized, this just needs to be admitted. 5.7 consistently penetrates less than 12" in soft fricking gel slabs, it doesn't meet minimum FBI standards for a duty handgun rounds let alone any standard for a rifle round.

            But it can certainly pull killing a human in an emergency, about as well as a .22 magnum could. It's better than .22lr and .17hmr for that role, and still very lightweight so a lot of ammo can be carried. It's just not cheap, that's the only downside it has to other tiny "survival/emergency gun" rounds.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          You don't own any guns you moronic underage redditor

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      thats a legit criticism though. how hard would it have been to make this piece of shit take standard AR mags and fire 5.56?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That's just one of those foggy remington 700 pistols at that point.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They aren't wrong. I can buy a single shot Crickett in .22 mag that weighs 3lbs for $150. Yeah it doesn't have a collapsible stock and isn't stowable, but it's 95% of the realistic performance (or more) for 37.5% the price. Another $250 can get you a lot of other shit.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    400 dollars for a fricking pipe?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >posts on PrepHole
      >values his time and money
      Kek. Anyway, American manufacturing from a small company costs money. So sorry we weren't able to ship all gun manufacturing to China.

      Yeah it’s pretty moronic and those people are right, nobody asked for this.

      This is a unique product. Do you understand? Nobody was making this before. Nobody has made this gun in living memory. You would complain about this but not the two dozen 9mm autoloaders that got re-released this year? You'd rather have slop than options?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >This is a unique product. Do you understand? Nobody was making this before. Nobody has made this gun in living memory.

        Idk I’ve got a M6 that holds extra rounds in the stock, and has an underbarrel .410, and it takes down with one pin.

        What does this thing do again? Be a heavier, less powerful and less versatile version of that?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Your gun is two pounds heavier and won't take a suppressor due to having two barrels. That's pretty big.

          thats a legit criticism though. how hard would it have been to make this piece of shit take standard AR mags and fire 5.56?

          >bro just add 3" of overall length and more weight and make the design more complex and expensive for what amounts to basically no real world performance increase in what the gun was designed for
          Why isn't the AR-15 in 500 Nitro Express? Why doesnt Glock make a G19 chambered in 50 Beowulf?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Why isn't the AR-15 in 500 Nitro Express? Why doesnt Glock make a G19 chambered in 50 Beowulf?
            because jesus saw what you and your uncle did to the class hamster in 3rd grade you sick, twisted piece of shit. .

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            If you need something like a takedown rifle why the frick would you have a suppressor for it? It's going to add 50% more weight way out at the end of a light gun for essentially no benefit that would make sense on a takedown rifle.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >be heavier
          Admittedly it's quite a bit lighter than the M6 but it does look like re-inventing the wheel indeed.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The M6 is still extremely light for what it is, and a lot of those figures include a stock full of .22 Hornet and .410 shells.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This reads like a satire post

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It reads like a manufacturer post

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >Survival rifle
        >Has one round
        >Miss one shot on charging bear
        >Don't survive

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      ITS ABOUT SURVIVAL!!!1!1!11!!!!

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      $3.65¢ plz

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Plus tip

      >posts on PrepHole
      >values his time and money
      Kek. Anyway, American manufacturing from a small company costs money. So sorry we weren't able to ship all gun manufacturing to China.
      [...]
      This is a unique product. Do you understand? Nobody was making this before. Nobody has made this gun in living memory. You would complain about this but not the two dozen 9mm autoloaders that got re-released this year? You'd rather have slop than options?

      >Shits on /k/
      >Shills stupid gun
      >'merica
      >Survival buzzword activated

      No one is buying your stupid fricking rifle. I look forward to seeing Ian covering how dumb it is 5 years from now.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'd rather an AR-7 or a drilling

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's not a terrible game rifle if hunting is a secondary concern to survival.
    If you're just focused on making it back to civilisation or even just an extended camping/hiking trip, it's fine. You'll take game with it and then stow it away, or use it to deal with a cougar or whatever.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >If you're just focused on making it back to civilisation or even just an extended camping/hiking trip
      The only survival situation based in reality

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Statistically you will be found within 72 hours.
        Food, and the procurement of it from wild animals is of little concern for 72 hours.
        And if you are worried, just carry a proper rifle or shotgun, takedown guns are the stupidest shit, inly bought by room temp IQ homosexuals who haven't spent enough time outdoors or hunting to spend the 3 seconds needed to think up a dozen reasons why a takedown long gun is fricktarded.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Statistically
          Don't ever speak to me that way again

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Which can also be accomplished by any handgun with a barrel over 4" in a caliber in 9mm or .38 spl and up. Way easier to hit things with a rifle, but if it's for defense and getting home a pistol works fine. While carrying more ammo and being smaller and lighter.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >expect to take down a cougar with this
      you dont get a second shot anon...

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        40 year old women aren’t that tough

  6. 2 weeks ago
    sage

    dose it come in 50MG like the Deagle?

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >5.7 chads won
    Got precisely one rifle. Congrats gays

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What will 5.7 in that gun do that .22lr dont

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Not use a notoriously unreliable 18th century priming mechanism
      Use proper jacketed, spitzer bullets

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You didnt answer my question.
        >What will 5.7 in that gun do that .22lr dont
        Last i checked .22lr still takes small game just fine.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Rimfire cartridges are substantially less reliable and cannot be handloaded with common components.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Does that matter?

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              To many of us, yes.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Evidently not to you.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >cannot be handloaded with common components.
            Neither can 5.7 if you believe what you read.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Rimfire cartridges are substantially less reliable
            Substantially less reliable is not true at all
            >cannot be handloaded with common components
            Neither can 5.7. If you actually owned a 5.7 you’d know that. If you reloaded you’d know that too. But go on, prove me wrong and post your reloading setup. Enjoy my powder box

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              5.7 takes common 22 caliber bullets and centerfire primers, and in a single shot, the lacquer coating issue (which usually causes problems with handloads) would not be a problem whatsoever.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >doesn’t post reloading equipment
                >doesn’t post a 5.7
                >doesn’t post any gun from my post 16 posts up
                Post any gun OP. Preferably one in .22 so you can show us that you indeed do have firsthand experience with all those .22 misfires

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You don't get to tell others to post guns without first posting your own, with timestamp and hand included. That's how it works, welcome to /k/.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >anon posts bucket full of powder and primers when reloading is the topic
                >no way that guy owns guns
                Fine. Your turn.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                lmao, is that a 22 glock ?
                if it is, it is the actual worst gun ive ever shot

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >can’t distinguish a Glock 44 from a 21
                Anon…

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                It’s been almost 12 hours. Where is your gun? Where is your reloading bench?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                nta, but i own several 22, shot thousands rounds, never had a 22 misfire
                or maybe once trying to fire a mystery round found on the table at the range
                even with rounds that couldnt feed without forcing the gun into battery because the case was dented, and the bullet seated at an angle
                maybe, just maybe, you are shooting legit shit ammo ?
                > captcha : s4ck

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >maybe, just maybe, you are shooting legit shit ammo ?
                You misunderstand me, I’m saying .22 ammo is reliable. I’m saying he’s full of shit.

                I agree with you and have similar experiences. I have seen dozens of malfunctions with Remington thunderbolt 15-20 years ago but that was with my dads 10/22 which may have worn down springs. Thunderbolt is pretty shit ammo too. Overall, I’ve maybe had 1 misfire in thousands of federal bulk pack and none in minimags or the “nicer” stuff. I’ll also mention that most if not all went off the second time it’s been struck. It’s certainly annoying but probably wouldn’t be life or death.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                based fellow 22 enjoyer
                nevermind my moronation

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                It’s all good man. Going to say that you caught the tard from OP

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Not use a notoriously unreliable 18th century priming mechanism
        Lol. Post guns.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Well see, when you want expensive hard to find ammo with the ballistics worse than that of 22 mag, accept no substitute.

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >finally something novel that isn't a striker fired 9mm
    >people complain that it should have been more like (gun that already exists)
    Tragic

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Not use a notoriously unreliable 18th century priming mechanism
      Use proper jacketed, spitzer bullets

      >be heavier
      Admittedly it's quite a bit lighter than the M6 but it does look like re-inventing the wheel indeed.

      Your gun is two pounds heavier and won't take a suppressor due to having two barrels. That's pretty big.
      [...]
      >bro just add 3" of overall length and more weight and make the design more complex and expensive for what amounts to basically no real world performance increase in what the gun was designed for
      Why isn't the AR-15 in 500 Nitro Express? Why doesnt Glock make a G19 chambered in 50 Beowulf?

      trying too hard. you have to let discussion happen naturally, not reply to every naysayer.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >novel
      >outdated take down design
      >outdated, and moronic "pack rifle" concept
      >outdated action
      >40 year old trash caliber
      Oh man, super heckin novelerino h8ers

      are just heckin chuds amirite??

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        And yet still more unique than the three dozen Glock clones and Remington 700 clones and ARs released this year.

        > Guns are toys for everyone living in industrial societies.
        >guys check out this new awesome survival rifle you have to buy
        >it’s better than anything else
        Pick one dumbass. It is it the latest and greatest or is it a toy? I love that the best rebuttal you have is also calling your product a toy rather than the merits of a single shot cricket vs this.

        Also money always has value. Doesn’t matter how rich or poor you are.

        It's a toy. But it's unique. No other company makes this toy. So that's why it's good. That's why it's better than all the ARs and Glock clones.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Almost no one is cloning the 700 action anymore because they don't want to use a mill to headspace it.
          Savage action FTW

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >it’s a toy
          Then call it that. Don’t market it as
          > Finally, it's here. A packable rifle in a respectable (i.e. not 22LR) chambering with more options to come.
          >Single shot chads won. 5.7 chads won. Scout rifle chads won.
          I’ve been shitting on this and you, but I do admit it’s cool and unique. I’d like to have one. I’d enjoy shooting one. However it serves me no purpose as a pack rifle, nor is it more fun or cooler than other things costing $400 or less. You’re screaming at people to not have preferences.

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    fricking 5.7x28? I don't want another fricking round to keep a stock of. Wake me up when they release one in 5.56

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's not intended for high volume shooting, so you'll be alright. Anyway, there's no rule anywhere that you have to keep a stockpile of every cartridge for all your guns.

      shit looks moronic. yet another thing poorgays will buy, shoot once then just throw in the closet cause they were told by anonymous noguns that they cant sell their guns.

      Then don't buy it, it's not for you but that doesn't make it moronic. It's a gun and will kill things just as dead.

      [...]
      [...]
      [...]

      trying too hard. you have to let discussion happen naturally, not reply to every naysayer.

      If you're going to talk nonsense I'm going to respond, simple as

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        ill bite your gay bait, of course its not a high volume gun but if there's a chance im going to have to SURVIVE with a SURVIVAL rifle i sure as shit want a basic proficiency with it. meaning at least a few hundred rounds. and yes there is no rule that you have to stockpile but if you want to shoot a lot as a hobby its understood you need to keep some gun food on hand and if you're paranoid enough to want a gun like this, odds are you're paranoid enough to keep a stockpile of ammo. if they made a 5.56 barrel i would be in the process of ordering one right now instead of arguing with a homosexual on a tibetiean showtune forum but they leaned slightly too far into weight savings and totally fricked the cost benefit for the average gun buyer

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I hope you're getting paid to push this trash this hard, imagine shilling a $400 shotty pipe gun for free
        Lmao

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          No I just think it's fun and unique and a breath of fresh air from all the slop that's being churned out lately. I think that's a fair assessment. That's pretty much it.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Takedown rifles are not fun, unique, or useful

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              That's just, like, your opinion.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The market has shown those as objective factual statements for 100 years now.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Take down rifles aren’t a unique concept.
            >slop
            First post is
            >___chads
            >“we won”
            It’s like someone is trying to fit in by using words he’s seen but doesn’t understand context

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The opening post was intentionally provocative to draw attention and bumps to the thread.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Great job with your shill campaign. You brought in tons of attention to shit all over the flaws and get to no customers

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The gun isn't even for sale yet, but thanks for commending my advertising of this gun, as someone who simply finds it unique in a market dominated by turboslop.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >admits he is a shitty shill
                >still hasn’t posted a gun he owns
                Yes, I’m giving your rave reviews

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >unique in a market dominated by turboslop
                >literally posts a rifle more expensive in some cases over others in it's category, while being worse in some regards
                Post guns.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Don’t bother. I’ve tried 3 times and nothing, as expected

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                it has to be the 22lr schizo right, there's no one else this moronic about it that I can think of.
                jtac used to troll in 22lr threads but was funny and maybe the rugertard but I haven't seen him post in years.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                That makes the most sense

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    shit looks moronic. yet another thing poorgays will buy, shoot once then just throw in the closet cause they were told by anonymous noguns that they cant sell their guns.

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Wow look! The same gun but better.
    >3x cheaper
    >Better ammo cost and selection
    >better ergonomics
    >Same weight if not lighter

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      yeah but you cant break that down and stuff it in a jansport when you're on your way to eliminate joe biden like OP fantasizes about

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nice gun, but that's not the gun this thread is about, but a different one with a different set of features and in a different chambering.
      You can buy that gun if you wish. But this thread isn't about that gun. I'm sorry anon.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >extreme levels of passive aggressiveness
        >only defense for the gun is "its different"

        you made the thread, you're the shill, you have to sell the product.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yes, God forbid we have something unique in firearms manufacturing.

          Evidently not to you.

          It does.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >something unique

            dude its JUST a breakdown survival rifle.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Yes, it's unique. That's what I said anon.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The 1910 glisenti was unique, but our pistols today arent exactly derived it. Cant just be unique to be good, needs to also actually be good.

                Yes, God forbid we have something unique in firearms manufacturing.
                [...]
                It does.

                Nobody who actually uses an ultralight takedown rifle for backpacking ever thought "gee, I wish instead of paying 7 cents per round I paid 50" for just shooting squirrels.
                I loathe the chiappa little badger and yet that gun actually got a following and aftermarket of some kind. 5.7 is on the rise but it will NEVER be 22lr.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            buy an ad. Maybe the reason it's never been done before is because it's moronic.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I'm sure it has been done before, just not recently, and certainly not something in current production

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What gun?

      yeah but you cant break that down and stuff it in a jansport when you're on your way to eliminate joe biden like OP fantasizes about

      Gave me a chuckle, too bad you have to talk to the police now.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        savage rascal

        And yet still more unique than the three dozen Glock clones and Remington 700 clones and ARs released this year.
        [...]
        It's a toy. But it's unique. No other company makes this toy. So that's why it's good. That's why it's better than all the ARs and Glock clones.

        Uh... Cant tell if you're baiting. If youre not, the reason why everyone makes a glock or rem700 or ar clone is because people buy them... Nobody wants to buy a single shot 5.7 ultralight survival rifle.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >nobody wants it
          That's fine, those who want one will buy one and those who don't won't, because guns are toys to be consumed.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            And businesses are toys for banks to consume.Keek

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      You want to tell us what it is?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Either a Rascal or a Crickett. And shit you can even get a pistol Crickett. Available in .22 mag as well. Smaller too. 5.7 is a neat idea but single shot...? It'll get you food, sure, but it won't be protecting your ass unless that first shot lands very well. A teeny tiny 5rd mag would go far making OP's survival rifle a little more handy with less fiddling loading it not only for protection but followups as

      https://i.imgur.com/OmCxPfl.png

      There wouldn't be any additional length from adding a magazine, and the cost would be negligible compared to the added value. Quick follow up shots are a huge plus for hunters.
      [...]
      If you can't recognize the utility of a rifle that's under 3 pounds and capable of taking small and medium game, this rifle isn't for you, simple as.
      [...]
      The small case diameter is key for a rifle like this. All those calibers require much more material in the barrel and action, and the weight adds up fast. It's pretty easy to get an AR under 5 pounds so you really have to minmax if you want to end up with a rifle significantly lighter than that. 30 carbine, 5.7 Johnson, and 327 Magnum would all be better choices than 5.7x28 that wouldn't require more weight or bulk
      [...]
      A savage 25 would be functionally pretty close if you chop it down and 3d print a stock for it. It'd be pretty neat if you could get it under 4 pounds

      stated; nothing worse than landing a bad shot and the animal getting away while you frick around sticking rounds in that tiny port under a pic rail. And if they want to make it for red dots, stick the pic rail on the barrel instead of the receiver; it'll hold zero better that way and be handier when loading.
      >but muh rimfire
      Lol I've never had a dud while hunting I can think of, just a filthy rifle/operator error which shouldn't be a problem as a survival rifle should be kept clean and probably won't be fired much.

      https://i.imgur.com/lPretbi.jpeg

      >Inb4 THAT’S TOO HEAVYYYYYY
      Yeah? Because I hike and backpack in the Rockies, not just in some piddly east coast foothills, and it’s my old Vz or my Rossi Ranch Hand for me. I love my P90, but with cougars and larger bears, I’d go x39. Go farther up into Alaska or up on the arctic ice and I’m taking .308, minimum. Polar bears are a fricker to deal with. But hey, if you don’t have actual threats beyond cougars on your well-travelled state trails, you do you.

      One of those Mare's Leg "pistols" could work pretty well actually.

      Drop that fricking meme lever. Then you'd have a respectable firearm.

      NTA but unfortunately Henry thinks that a stupid massive lever is what everyone wants on their mare's legs so you just have to suffer with it if you buy one of those models.

      >Swapping the barrel
      Thats like 70% of the gun in terms of production costs
      You could just buy two single shots in two calibers for LESS that one dark wiener arms
      For the same price you can buy a 10/22 takedown and 1500rds of ammo, spare mags and an optic pretty much anywhere in america

      But anon rimfire is LE TOTALLY OUTDATED and you're going to get kilt in da woods if you even think of using it on squirrels!

      >you have to manually pull the firing pin back after you cycle a new round into the chamber
      what the frick? not only is this not semi auto it's not ready to shoot after running the bolt?

      Holy frick yet another single shot that also doesn't wiener itself. It's so stupid simple to add that people are modding Cricketts to do it IIRC.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Frick me on that lever, I did not know that.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          yep

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      They aren't wrong. I can buy a single shot Crickett in .22 mag that weighs 3lbs for $150. Yeah it doesn't have a collapsible stock and isn't stowable, but it's 95% of the realistic performance (or more) for 37.5% the price. Another $250 can get you a lot of other shit.

      Well see, when you want expensive hard to find ammo with the ballistics worse than that of 22 mag, accept no substitute.

      would be better it was 22 mag or hornet

      >MUH TWINDY TOO WIMMAR
      5.7x28 has far better external ballistics, which is all you should be looking for in a single-shot backpack rifle. No, they are not even close to comparable. 5.7x28 does from a pistol what .22 WMR does in a rifle, and it has over 50% more energy out of the same barrel length.
      >muh penetration
      Stop using hollow point meme ammo data. 5.7 FMJ is exceptional in carbine to rifle length barrels with consistent tumbling but no fragmentation for good penetration. A 5.7x28 rifle gives you a very flat-shooting round with a tiny cartridge and lets you make the gun very small for its range. It's a good idea.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        No it doesn't.

        ?si=itTI40E5c0Clq735

        Le Survival Gun meme got so many overlapping layers it's impossible to pin exact requirements. Is it a gun for a guy who is expecting to end up in the middle of the woods with little to no food supplies? Is it a gun for a lone guerilla or a shot down pilot? Is it a gun for a hunter who expects to bring back different kinds of game? Am I expected to have a backup handgun? Am I supposed to use anything but my ironsights?

        Hilariously enough pilots are just packing M4s that only weigh like 7 lbs loaded.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Idk where CuckyGunner is getting their info, but PS90s consistently chrono at >450 ft lbs while a 16" .22 Mag gets just over 300 at best.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            They got it by actually chroning the rounds themselves.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >external ballistics
        ahh yes, what every survival situation depends on: long range wind drift of bullets.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >wind drift
          I'm thinking more on the lines of MPBR. With a 100-yard zero, the impact shifts less than half an inch. That's less than the mechanical accuracy of the gun.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >no actually I think that survival situations need long range
            you need to shut up forever and buy a gun you stupid moron.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              What "survival situation" are you thinking of that doesn't benefit from taking small game? Having a gun that hits exactly on the crosshair within any reasonable range is pretty good for squirrels, birds, and rabbits.
              >100 yards
              >long range
              Sounds like you just need to learn to shoot lmao

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                post guns you terminal dipshit.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Post your 5.7. Or any gun you own for that matter.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      this

      but is autistic about application
      it's obviously for some kind of tacticool person

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    they should make one in 556 that can also chamber 22lr

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      You could get a single shot .223 and a chamber adapter if you were interested in that sort of thing. You could get a 12ga to .223 and make a pipe gun that did all three for under $20 not counting adapters.

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Man just go back to your handlers and get a better script

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    5.7 feels like a waste of time. I mean, I get what they're trying to do but everybody is going to look at it, conpare 5.7 to 5.56 and say the same thing, why isn't it in the caliber I have a bajillion rounds of?

    That said, 400$ MSRP is pretty nice. "Pistol" variant should have come in a 10" or 12" barrel. If it was 500$, came in 5.56, and a 12.5 barrel, I'd buy one with a PA prism in a heartbeat, throw it in ny trunk with a box of ammo, and forget about it.

    I'd kill to see someone try mag fed conversions as well. If the SHTF 50 can do .50bmg sidefed, then theres merit to a simple, box magazine fed, ultra light 5.56 bolt action.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      thats what i said. morons in here have no concept of basic marketing and real world use. 5.56 is the same size and weight as a meme 7 and everyone already owns it and its availale in a bajillon loadings. and if you are mkaing it 5.56 you might as well add the stanag mag option so you can still single shot like a cuck or use a little 10 rd or 30 rd mag when you feel like it. legit dont understand the reason for picking 5.7 they might as well have used .5.56. if they were trying to step up to a real caliber

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Because you'd need to make the bolt longer and make the receiver longer and make the barrel sit further out to have room to feed the round. The action is now heavier, larger, more complex, more costly to manufacture.d The weight of the barrel (likely the heaviest part) is now intensified as it sits ~3 inches further out.
        Jesus Christ, do you people think things come without compromise? That the manufacturer didn't consider making it a bolt gun? That there's no downsides and the manufacturer is simply moronic?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >nd the manufacturer is simply moronic?
          yes? look at S&W still drilling holes into the side of perfectly good looking revolvers and cucking themselves out of 90% of the new revolver market share because of it

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I agree but they can get away with it because they aren't the only people making revolvers

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          5.56 is dimensionally identical to 5.7 inall but one regard, being 5/8" longer. Chamber pressure is also only 15-20% hotter.

          5.7 is shorter which is an advantage. Like the other guy said you’d then need a longer action, longer gun, which makes it heavier. Realistically you can buy 100 rounds for this and that’s all you ever need so it’s not like ammo cost is a huge hurdle either. I think the gun is silly, I think the shill here is moronic, but I don’t have a problem with 5.7 itself in it.

          Because having an ultra light rifle I can reasonably take out a deer with, is fricking sick. The stowaway, as is, comes in at sub 3 pounds. Cut down the barrel to 14.5, pin and weld a brake on, and you could have a 3.2 lb 5.56 rifle. Add on a stupid simple 3 or 5 round internal magazine, and unloaded you could have a sub 4 lb rifle.

          As is, its a glorified.22 magnum. Its a REALLY fricking cool .22 magnum, but thats it.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >Because having an ultra light rifle I can reasonably take out a deer with, is fricking sick.
            When would you ever need an ultralight rifle to take a deer and be that space constrained? There are plenty of 4-5lb bolt action rifles in better calibers. A pistol is even smaller and can take a deer. Or use a single shot .22mag that’s less than 3lbs which I already said here

            They aren't wrong. I can buy a single shot Crickett in .22 mag that weighs 3lbs for $150. Yeah it doesn't have a collapsible stock and isn't stowable, but it's 95% of the realistic performance (or more) for 37.5% the price. Another $250 can get you a lot of other shit.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Why not just get an AR at that point?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That's what I'm saying. The gun these people are looking for, and trying to turn this single shot into, already exists. Want a bolt action mag fed 5.56? Just get a side charging AR and unplug the gas tube, and bam.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That's what I'm saying. The gun these people are looking for, and trying to turn this single shot into, already exists. Want a bolt action mag fed 5.56? Just get a side charging AR and unplug the gas tube, and bam.

          because an AR wouldnt be as small and low profile and break in two like a simple rotary handle turn bolt. the OP rifle in 5.56 has no gas system on top of the barrel, its slim and sleek and light, sub 3 pounds. if the receiver had the OPTION for an AR15 mag that would be a bonus in addition to still be a single shot 3 pound magless rifle.

          i agree though that this meme category of survival rifle is moronic af and anyone who wants something for "survival" might as well just get a $400 AR15. you can separate the upper and lower and keep them in your "emergency bag" in your plane or whatever. lets just be honest about the fact that 99.999999999999999999999% of the people buying "survival rifles" dont even live a lifestyle or go into situations where they could ever conceivably need one to "survive"

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            This. An AR can be popped apart and taken down rapidly into a very small package and will be infinitely more useful.
            >B-But it’s so liiiiiight reeeee
            It doesn’t matter. I’ve been balls-deep in the wilds of Alaska and the Yukon and BC, spent time with the truly off-grid chads. I’ve been up on the sea ice with the Rangers, I’ve directly worked with the kind of people you’d expect to need a gun like this. But they don’t have some 5.7 meme toob, they sling around their choice of hunting rifle or shotgun, if they’re going to get food, or they usually preferred a 12ga or some sort of .308 for critter defense. Many often open carried a sidearm of choice for if they were doing tasks that wouldn’t allow them to sling a long gun.
            If you like 5.7 and just want another gun in it for your collection, sure, it’s great! But these are very much in the realm of tacti-toy for wannabe rugged types.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        5.7 is shorter which is an advantage. Like the other guy said you’d then need a longer action, longer gun, which makes it heavier. Realistically you can buy 100 rounds for this and that’s all you ever need so it’s not like ammo cost is a huge hurdle either. I think the gun is silly, I think the shill here is moronic, but I don’t have a problem with 5.7 itself in it.

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >5.7 survival rifle
    careful with those wound vectors, sonny...

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    5.7 is a neat choice, perfect for small med game rhat youd actually go for. I get why they went single shot but semi would be cooler.

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >dark mountain arms stowaway
    should come with its own custom baggie with neck/shoulder strap so you can assemble it from the bag easy without juggling on horseback or putting pack in mud, etc. Baggie should have external loops etc to temp securely hold the parts for assembly.

    no ammo storage in grip, stock or butt? NGMI

    caliber swap but no .556 option for small rifle? NGMI

    should have clips like that hold Trekking Poles together to hold it as one unit, then you just pull apart to assemble.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >no 5.56
      It's a new gun from a literal who company, be patient

      >ITT: noguns who have never carried a rifle further than the 10 yards from the parking lot to the range bench
      The gun seems pretty based, but 5.7 and lack of magazine have doomed it. 22 hornet makes way more sense for a single shot like this, and it's not like a magazine is difficult at all to figure out.

      >no magazine
      It's not a fighting rifle, a magazine isn't necessary and would add to the OAL and cost

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        There wouldn't be any additional length from adding a magazine, and the cost would be negligible compared to the added value. Quick follow up shots are a huge plus for hunters.

        https://i.imgur.com/ys482zs.jpeg

        >Find another 16" cen...
        This is exactly what I was talking about. You making the parameters really tight so you can gloat about it being "teh only wun on teh mahket guys".
        why would centerfire offer any practical advantages toward rimfire? All your excuses thus far do NOT disprove the utility of rimfire and its prevalence on the market.
        >16"
        Didnt you say there was a pistol variant coming out? Is that one obsolete because it doesnt suit your parameters?
        Just to prove how moronic your specific niche requirements are, heres an example of a gun that fits those moronic parameters. And guess what, its a piece of shit that explodes.

        If you can't recognize the utility of a rifle that's under 3 pounds and capable of taking small and medium game, this rifle isn't for you, simple as.

        Or even something short and loose pressure, like 300blk, 222 rem, 30-30, etc

        The small case diameter is key for a rifle like this. All those calibers require much more material in the barrel and action, and the weight adds up fast. It's pretty easy to get an AR under 5 pounds so you really have to minmax if you want to end up with a rifle significantly lighter than that. 30 carbine, 5.7 Johnson, and 327 Magnum would all be better choices than 5.7x28 that wouldn't require more weight or bulk

        https://i.imgur.com/DpyRn7h.jpeg

        huh, I was literally talking to a coworker like three days ago about how someone should make an M4 reproduction. This looks pretty neat.

        A savage 25 would be functionally pretty close if you chop it down and 3d print a stock for it. It'd be pretty neat if you could get it under 4 pounds

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >The small case diameter is key for a rifle like this. All those calibers require much more material in the barrel and action, and the weight adds up fast. It's pretty easy to get an AR under 5 pounds so you really have to minmax if you want to end up with a rifle significantly lighter than that. 30 carbine, 5.7 Johnson, and 327 Magnum would all be better choices than 5.7x28 that wouldn't require more weight or bulk
          If it were more popular, .221 fireball might be perfect for a survival rifle. But good luck finding ammo.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >30 carbine, 5.7 Johnson, and 327 Magnum would all be better choices than 5.7x28
          .30 Carbine and .327, yes. Especially .327, if it manages good accuracy with .32 S&W -- super quiet and low meat damage for small game, but you still have the option of full-power .327 for deer etc. (Getting the sights to work for both should be interesting, but it'll sell.)
          5.7 Johnson, I don't think so.
          The market for a single-shot, low-power centerfire, takedown carbine is already small enough; filtering it down to handloaders only is taking it too far.
          It'd be a good option alongside .30 Carbine, though.

          >you have to manually pull the firing pin back after you cycle a new round into the chamber
          what the frick? not only is this not semi auto it's not ready to shoot after running the bolt?

          Maybe it's just residual brain damage from owning a Winchester 67 as a boy, but I actually prefer this for single-shot rifles. Keep it loaded and dewienered, wiener the striker when ready to shoot, and on the rare occasions I need to make it safe instead of shooting, I point it at the ground and dewiener it. Ignore the safety entirely.

          >5.7 is an excellent survival rifle round

          Exain yourself homosexual

          It is, though. It's basically the same as .22 Hornet if you handload, but for those who don't, it has the advantage of decent bullets in factory ammo. Would make a lot of sense as an option instead of .22 Hornet in over-under survival guns.

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >ITT: noguns who have never carried a rifle further than the 10 yards from the parking lot to the range bench
    The gun seems pretty based, but 5.7 and lack of magazine have doomed it. 22 hornet makes way more sense for a single shot like this, and it's not like a magazine is difficult at all to figure out.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Or even something short and loose pressure, like 300blk, 222 rem, 30-30, etc

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    That sounds neat, but where's the 44 or 357 version? I'd like something with a bit more bite for a woods gun

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's a new gun from a small company, other calibers are sure to come along eventually

      https://i.imgur.com/Nwzel8v.jpeg

      Why would you bother with this over the Little Badger?

      Rimfire is outdated, like it or not

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What does this gun bring to the market that isnt already done better by something already on the market.
        And if you mention anything along the lines of "specifically chambered in 5.7x28mm" Im going to twist your head off you stupid Black person.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Find another 16" centerfire rifle that has takedown and weighs close to 2.8lbs and you have your answer

          Yeah .22lr is old as shit but still probably a more sensible chambering than the only alternative this new gun so far offers. This thing will only be worth the much higher price if it's ever chambered in something else more worthwhile. I just realized it's not even available currently in anything BUT 5.7. That's moronic as frick lmao.

          The world is moving on from rimfire and onto better alternatives. If you can't find the budget to shoot 5.7 one at a time, from a single shot then that's just too bad. Maybe get another job instead of PrepHole?

          They aren't wrong. I can buy a single shot Crickett in .22 mag that weighs 3lbs for $150. Yeah it doesn't have a collapsible stock and isn't stowable, but it's 95% of the realistic performance (or more) for 37.5% the price. Another $250 can get you a lot of other shit.

          Guns are toys for everyone living in industrial societies. Arguing about price is silly when this is an optional hobby we engage in for fun and to pass the time and have something to talk about.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >The world is moving on from rimfire
            22lr is the most popular round in the world and will be for another century. don't worry, I'm not bumping your moronic 22 seethe thread.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I don't care what's popular, what matters is what's best.
              Don't worry, I don't envy your 22LR's misfires. But you are free to use inferior tech to own that guy on PrepHole if it makes you happy.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >best
                5.7 isn't best at anything, do you even own a 5.7 gun?

                How well does it handle being suppressed?

                5.7 is one of the worst handgun rounds to suppress, why do you ask?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The standard 1:9 twist of 5.7 means heavy 62gr+ bullets can be stabilized at subsonic velocity, leading to a 50%+ increase in energy over standard velocity 22LR which is 40 grains. This isn't even to mention the improvements in ballistic coefficient and sectional density, metrics on which the 22LR falls incredibly short.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >This isn't even to mention the improvements in ballistic coefficient and sectional density
                Absolutely meaningless for the intended use of this gun. Thanks for further proving you know next to nothing

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                so, uh, what's your favorite 5.7 gun that you own?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Find another 16" cen...
            This is exactly what I was talking about. You making the parameters really tight so you can gloat about it being "teh only wun on teh mahket guys".
            why would centerfire offer any practical advantages toward rimfire? All your excuses thus far do NOT disprove the utility of rimfire and its prevalence on the market.
            >16"
            Didnt you say there was a pistol variant coming out? Is that one obsolete because it doesnt suit your parameters?
            Just to prove how moronic your specific niche requirements are, heres an example of a gun that fits those moronic parameters. And guess what, its a piece of shit that explodes.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >weighs close to 2.8lbs
              Weird, my screen says this gun weighs over 6. Weird how when you make it a repeater it can't possibly be lightweight, huh?

              >If you can't find the budget to shoot 5.7 one at a time
              The irony is that if I wanted a 5.7 I'd just spend more and get one of those Rugers instead of this moronic thing lmao.

              You can do that. But it won't be light and it will be much louder and heavier due to being an automatic. It's not the same. That's the point.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, the SU-16 weighs twice as much because it carries 30x more ammo, semi automatic, and 5.56 and not 5.7.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So they're different guns for different purposes so they have different operating mechanisms and different features and weights and OALs and different price points.
                Uh... yes? That's what I've been saying.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So youre saying it gets shit on by .22mag and .22lr, both single and semi auto guns, for actual small game hunting, and for defense, it gets shit on by actual 5.56s semi autos. Because dont tell me a fricking single shot is good for combat. Got it.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Guns are toys and you will never see combat, stop pretending you are a mountainman who relies on his 22LR/410 Chiappa to harvest small game and stay alive and needs to save 10$ by buying 22LR so he can afford salt at the general store every week.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Explain the target demographic of the dark wiener small arms stowaway
                Who is going to buy this gun

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Tactilarpers who think they need a dedicated gun for every single niche purpose.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                18-24 year old male morons who hike on improved trails sometimes
                A few dozen might sell to new bush pilots

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If guns are nothing but toys why would anyone buy this “survival rifle”?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Because it's unique

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                A 45-70 single shot Derringer is unique, and it's still shit. But will also outsell this because takedown rifles are trash, and everyone but the most autistic if morons understands this.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous
              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You're right, it's not the same, it's better. That's the point. If I wanted something light and quiet though but only single shot and much cheaper I would once again default back to a .22lr. I'm sorry anon. .22lr fricks. You can enjoy your 5.7 Little Badger though if you'd like.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >If you can't find the budget to shoot 5.7 one at a time
            The irony is that if I wanted a 5.7 I'd just spend more and get one of those Rugers instead of this moronic thing lmao.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            > Guns are toys for everyone living in industrial societies.
            >guys check out this new awesome survival rifle you have to buy
            >it’s better than anything else
            Pick one dumbass. It is it the latest and greatest or is it a toy? I love that the best rebuttal you have is also calling your product a toy rather than the merits of a single shot cricket vs this.

            Also money always has value. Doesn’t matter how rich or poor you are.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >The world is moving on from rimfire
            nah, it's fine
            >b-b-bbutt it's only 98% reliable!!!
            doesn't matter, don't care, can you make it in .22 with same metallurgy and a comically thin barrel? it'd weigh like 2 lbs

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >doesn't matter, don't care
              We don't get bonus points in this life for choosing the inferior alternative, however ignorant our choices may be.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                well, I'm also not getting bonus points in life for obsessing over details as meaningless as the reliability of toy rifle cartridges, while ignorantly pretending that it is somehow a more valuable metric than, say, availability in bulk

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >Guns are toys for everyone living in industrial societies. Arguing about price is silly when this is an optional hobby we engage in for fun and to pass the time and have something to talk about.
            speak for yourself. i spend 50 hours a week in the woods, i've run into bears, hogs, bobcats, coyotes, alligators, and more. thankfully the perfect option for protection already exists and has existed for hundreds of years. it's called a pistol.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'm sure they will, just seems odd to me to start with 5.7 instead of something a bit more mainstream. Currently 5.7 is still an enthusiasts round and I'm not sure how many 5.7 enjoyers would care for a lightweight camping rifle. On the flip side, I feel like the target demo for lightweight camping rifles are pretty fuddy and would be averse to picking up some new fangled pointy pistol bullet. Still, hope it succeeds to see a 357 version, would definitely be interested in that

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >are sure to come along eventually
        no they aren't. most companies fail, even more fail when they have a moronic product.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah .22lr is old as shit but still probably a more sensible chambering than the only alternative this new gun so far offers. This thing will only be worth the much higher price if it's ever chambered in something else more worthwhile. I just realized it's not even available currently in anything BUT 5.7. That's moronic as frick lmao.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Rimfire may be outdated but .22LR is the most popular round on the planet and shot more than anything else. There’s little in a survival situation you can’t do with a .22

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          This is why (YOU) win and the other guy is a homosexual.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        centerfire is outdated electric ignition is the future

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why would you bother with this over the Little Badger?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      how are we supposed to get through 2 and 3a armor with that?! that's what really matters in a SURVIVAL SITUATION

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If they make a 9mm one I will cum

  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nobody’s even mentioned this bad boy?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This is a cool gun but unfortunately it's in an obsolete chambering. If we wanted to bring it up to modern standards it would be significantly heavier and larger and probably longer. This would defeat the purpose. So it's in a weird position.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >22lr
        >obsolete
        noguns

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The AR7 is unironic trash, but still probably less trash than OPs gun

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      lovely concept but doesn't fricking work. I'm hard pressed to find someone shooting 50 rounds in a row without failures.

  24. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >literally who company releases a cheap gun for fricking around with innawoods
    >it's not a glock or an AR
    >tacticool idiots on u/k/raine lose their collective minds
    this board is truly tragic sometimes

  25. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Good god just buy a fricking ad. Or hire a better shill next time

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I doubt OP was hired, he's acting like an autistic reddit user who thinks this has never been done befo

  26. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This gun is 110 years old and shits all over the er.. What was it called?
    Dark mountain arms stowaway, god what a mouthful.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous
      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What's the price point for one of these? Do they come with threaded barrels?

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Weirdly they seem to not be very available right now but $850 gets you this moronic bull barrel one. I'd be willing to bet something weird is going on with their production or you could get a cheaper one used and get that threaded for $100 or so. I know I've seen the Norinco ones go for like $300-350 max barely used.

          https://i.imgur.com/DpyRn7h.jpeg

          huh, I was literally talking to a coworker like three days ago about how someone should make an M4 reproduction. This looks pretty neat.

          Oddly I found out about who made those recently and realized that PSA probably has the TDP/drawings for those after buying H&R. Guess who made pseudo-repro M4 chassis/stocks for a different rifle to make mock M4 survival rifles? Mike from NoDakSpud. Guess who PSA has basically in charge of H&R? Mike from NDS. Not sure if this is a massive coincidence or perhaps a hint at things to come.

          So its confirmed its the .22lr hater thats OP? Quite honestly I havent seen one of his threads in a while has he been making them recently? I mean even if you're the rimfire hater schizo at least recognize that the gun is just mid af

          >OP turns out to be the 22 schizo
          Every time lol

          frick yes its a gevarm e6 (unless mistaken)
          i need one of those fricker

          Browning SA-22. Norinco and several others made licensed and unlicensed clones. Neat that Gevarm has their own model.

          https://i.imgur.com/og5AAng.jpeg

          $3.65¢ plz

          Quackenbush, Iver Johnson, Marlin, Stevens, Hamilton, shit even the Marble's Game Getter. Tons of super cheap super light .22 survival/bicycle/trapper's rifles existed back then lol.

  27. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    ~~*Survival*~~ gun
    I’d rather just slap a folding stock, side mount+T1 and 20rd mags on a Vz.58. Better cartridge while also being slim and light. Or just, y’know, build an AR around that extremely niche use.
    >NO YOU DON’T UNDERSTAND THIS IS A NEW THIIING
    Ok. And? Hyper-light “survival” guns are a bit of a meme.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Inb4 THAT’S TOO HEAVYYYYYY
      Yeah? Because I hike and backpack in the Rockies, not just in some piddly east coast foothills, and it’s my old Vz or my Rossi Ranch Hand for me. I love my P90, but with cougars and larger bears, I’d go x39. Go farther up into Alaska or up on the arctic ice and I’m taking .308, minimum. Polar bears are a fricker to deal with. But hey, if you don’t have actual threats beyond cougars on your well-travelled state trails, you do you.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Brand new fresh out of the box gun, meme hole plastic knife (also new), saddle ring as if he rides a horse and large loop as if he's wearing riding gloves. The ultimate consumer kek.

        Explain the target demographic of the dark wiener small arms stowaway
        Who is going to buy this gun

        Anyone who wants a portable, simple, very lightweight, inexpensive, modern production firearm in a centerfire chambering that can potentially offer additional caliber swaps in the future by simply swapping the barrel and maybe the bolt face, for hunting or sporting purposes.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Can’t even google search to see it’s the first result
          No I will not humor you with a pic of mine, I’m not digging my pack out, but thanks for playing.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Of course I didn't google search. This is clearly a marketing image. Like I said, guns are toys and that image is a pretty good proof

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Guns are toys
              The consooooomer mindset, ladies and germs.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Swapping the barrel
          Thats like 70% of the gun in terms of production costs
          You could just buy two single shots in two calibers for LESS that one dark wiener arms
          For the same price you can buy a 10/22 takedown and 1500rds of ammo, spare mags and an optic pretty much anywhere in america

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You
          > Brand new fresh out of the box gun, meme hole plastic knife (also new), saddle ring as if he rides a horse and large loop as if he's wearing riding gloves
          Also you
          >guns are just toys
          >reeeee stop buying those toys and buy my toys
          Kek

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            So you agree with me guns (and knives) are toys? Thanks anon.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >Meme hole
          I never got this criticism, from a design perspective it's such a good solution. It eliminates extra parts, streamlines production, is ergonomic, and saves weight. Is that not the ideal engineering solution?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            It’s not a meme and he’s an idiot. The hole is actually great. I’ve never heard anyone complain who’s actually used one

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Drop that fricking meme lever. Then you'd have a respectable firearm.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Le Survival Gun meme got so many overlapping layers it's impossible to pin exact requirements. Is it a gun for a guy who is expecting to end up in the middle of the woods with little to no food supplies? Is it a gun for a lone guerilla or a shot down pilot? Is it a gun for a hunter who expects to bring back different kinds of game? Am I expected to have a backup handgun? Am I supposed to use anything but my ironsights?

  28. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why don’t they just send pilots with a normal side arm and an attachable stock for emergency? If they need to shoulder a gun to line up a shot, just slap a cheap stock on the gun they already have.

  29. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    huh, I was literally talking to a coworker like three days ago about how someone should make an M4 reproduction. This looks pretty neat.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The dark mountain arms layaway doesnt have a folding stock though, just the takedown barrel
      Would be smarter to do like a 10" barrel and make the stock collapsible imo

  30. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This is kinda neat. I'd also like a tiny single shot bullpup.

  31. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Almost as trash as this thread.
    Takedown rifles are a useless meme for anyone but small plane pilots, and it's a single shot bolt action in a shitty meme caliber.

  32. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    dont like the rail, rather just have irons, but overall its not terrible for its intended use case

  33. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Idk bout you but if I were an air force pilot and I got ejected deep in enemy tarritory Id take one of these

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Add a sling and a red dot& I'll agree

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous
      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/0yZFdse.jpeg

        Idk bout you but if I were an air force pilot and I got ejected deep in enemy tarritory Id take one of these

        so much yank cope
        just pack a DRACO

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        YO DAWG I HEARD YOU LIKE FOLDERS

  34. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's heavy.
    There's no reason it should weigh any more than an FN Five-seven

  35. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    wheres the link?

  36. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So its confirmed its the .22lr hater thats OP? Quite honestly I havent seen one of his threads in a while has he been making them recently? I mean even if you're the rimfire hater schizo at least recognize that the gun is just mid af

  37. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm good, thanks

    Captcha: HANK

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Is yours a belgian?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No, Jap grandpa bought new in the 60s and gave me when I was 11

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's a nice firearm, but not quite what we're looking at. Thanks for posting anon.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Browning SA-22, weighs about 3lbs 10 Oz, flip up Buckhorn sights, rear toob, side stock feed, bottom eject .22.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          How well does it handle being suppressed?

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          They shoot through brush?

          The YouTube comments are fricking hilarious and reaffirm the suspicion that most gun owners are morons
          >WhY Isn’t It a SeMi-AutO?! WhErE's ThE MaGaZiNe???
          >My TaUrUs Tx22/PSA rOcK iS BeTtEr aS a SuRviVaL ToOl!

          >Most gun owners are moronic
          Just say you're the manufacturer already

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      frick yes its a gevarm e6 (unless mistaken)
      i need one of those fricker

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      These are so nice

  38. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >survival/scout rifle
    If it can't kill a deer, it's not a survival rifle

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >5.7 can't kill a deer

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Yes.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You're going to love hearing about Alaskan natives and what they do with their ARs (and 22s for that matter).

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Meant for

        They shoot through brush?

        [...]
        >Most gun owners are moronic
        Just say you're the manufacturer already

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      5.7x28 is basically .22hornet for autoloaders, and there's plenty of deer poached with that.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        No, 5.7 is not "basically .22 hornet". Half the energy.
        That said, both rounds have the potential to drop a deer with a perfect shot. .22lr as well for that matter. But more power gives more margin of error.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Wrong, try again.

  39. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If it had a mag, even an internal one I think it would be perfect.

  40. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >you have to manually pull the firing pin back after you cycle a new round into the chamber
    what the frick? not only is this not semi auto it's not ready to shoot after running the bolt?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      What the frick? Who would design a worse bolt mechanism than designs that have been around for nearly 150 years?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >you have to manually pull the firing pin back after you cycle a new round into the chamber
        what the frick? not only is this not semi auto it's not ready to shoot after running the bolt?

        A manually-wienered bolt gives the option of a half-wiener safety which means a less complex design and negates the need for additional safety mechanisms.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          how is that preferable over a cross-bolt safety? also wtf do you mean? it takes 0 extra parts to make the striker wiener on close. cross-bolts are better because you can bring the gun up to fire in a safe configuration and choose to remove the safety without breaking grip.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Maybe you could sell your design with less complicated and less expensive crossbolt safety and automatic wienering to the manufacturer. Surely they wouldn't pass up on the chance to adopt your objectively superior design.

            Plus tip

            [...]
            >Shits on /k/
            >Shills stupid gun
            >'merica
            >Survival buzzword activated

            No one is buying your stupid fricking rifle. I look forward to seeing Ian covering how dumb it is 5 years from now.

            You did good with that reddit spacing, I was about to take you seriously until I saw it

            They shoot through brush?

            [...]
            >Most gun owners are moronic
            Just say you're the manufacturer already

            Buy an ad

            I'm not the manufacturer, they couldn't pay me enough. I just like novel and unique products that aren't the same slop we've been getting.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              if they had any brains they wouldn't have made the gun they did. Here you are shilling for this piece of shit, why don't you go to work for them in their marketing group?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                What should they have made instead?
                If you want this same thing in a bolt gun you can get the Q Mini Fix or one of its dozen clones.
                If you want essentially the same thing but in rimfire then get the Chiappa Little Badger. And there's the AR-7 if you want it to be an automatic.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >What should they have made instead?
                nothing
                bad ideas are better not pursued because it costs time and money to do things. just because you have an idea doesn't mean it's good, and this is definitely a bad idea.
                >cartridge that doesn't benefit from a full length barrel being fired from full length barrel
                >non-selfwienering action
                >no magazine
                >caliber with limited ammo selection
                it's a bad idea that will almost certainly fail.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >nothing
                That's stupid. Welcome to Capitalism, we live in an age of near limitless industry and wealth and novelty. There's no reason that this shouldn't have been made.
                If the chambering is your issue, then be patient, because caliber swaps are an inevitability.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >caliber swaps are an inevitability
                not when the product fails and they run out of money because they made a moronic product in the first place. making it 9mm to start would have been smarter, because a large percentage of shooters have 9mm ammo laying around. then people can be like
                >hey that's a dumb little gun I could shoot for lols
                instead of
                >5.7? I don't have any of that, what's it cost
                >FORTY-THREE CENTS PER ROUND?! That's TRIPLE what 9mm costs!
                why would someone buy it? by making it in 5.7 you target only the most reductively delusional survivalist morons where
                >oh ehm gee, it's so flat shooting compared to 22lr
                Is an argument they actually believe. so youve got 3 potential sales.
                it's a bad idea that is almost certainly going to fail.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                It's a single shot. You're not going to be magdumping. Ammo cost is already negligible. Also, those who really want to save money can handload, another benefit of it not being in a rimfire caliber.

                All I hear is "we're too cheap to copy a mauser action".
                [...]
                >caliber swaps are an inevitability
                If I got a bullet through the head for every gun that promised caliber swaps that delivered I'd be perfectly unscathed

                >They're too cheap to do (thing)
                Yes. Go buy the Q Mini Fix. Or the Christensen MPP. Or all the other short action magazine-capable bolt guns that already exist.

                >If the chambering is your issue, then be patient, because caliber swaps are an inevitability.
                >website states you have to buy a new bolt and barrel
                >just pay for 80% of the cost again goyim
                Or I could buy a new and better rifle for less.

                Then go do that, it's your money after all, and I hope you enjoy.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >You're not going to be magdumping.
                nobody is going to shoot the gun at all because nobody will buy it because practically nobody has 5.7.
                all problems that would have been avoided if they picked a good caliber, like 9mm.
                here's the sales pitch:
                >it's a survival rifle, but 9mm!
                bam, what people would think is:
                >I've got 9mm
                >9mm>22lr
                >a bolt action 9mm? that's pretty neat!
                and suddenly we've got it in their head that this is a step up from a normal survival rifle, it's unique, but it's not a burden to shoot.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                The gun isn't even for sale yet and it's a new company. I don't think it's too outlandish to say that a 9mm factory model will quickly be offered.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >too outlandish to say that a 9mm factory model will quickly be offered.
                how many purported multi-caliber guns that have been brought to market then failed to complete that feature?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                I'm not sure. How many do you know of?

                I don't think it's too outlandish to say that 9mm should have been the original offer.

                You could be right, but many people would prefer a 22 caliber bullet for small game and varmints, which this gun is geared towards.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >but many people would prefer a 22 caliber bullet
                Yeah .220 swift would have been great

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                I don't think it's too outlandish to say that 9mm should have been the original offer.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >If the chambering is your issue, then be patient, because caliber swaps are an inevitability.
                >website states you have to buy a new bolt and barrel
                >just pay for 80% of the cost again goyim
                Or I could buy a new and better rifle for less.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              You don’t own any guns. Post em already

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          All I hear is "we're too cheap to copy a mauser action".

          >nothing
          That's stupid. Welcome to Capitalism, we live in an age of near limitless industry and wealth and novelty. There's no reason that this shouldn't have been made.
          If the chambering is your issue, then be patient, because caliber swaps are an inevitability.

          >caliber swaps are an inevitability
          If I got a bullet through the head for every gun that promised caliber swaps that delivered I'd be perfectly unscathed

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          OP is okay to have a swing and miss gun to kick off a company, take the L and start on a V2 that takes the complaints into consideration.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >should've been break action like a contender
            Well, the contender already exists
            >No point in making it a bolt
            In fact it prevents frame stretching, which is a relatively significant issue with the aforementioned Contender

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              meant for

              https://i.imgur.com/81lDskn.jpeg

              Performance goes up in an actual 4.8" 5.7
              5.7 is freaking weird and pointless unless you have access to AP ammo. Otherwise stick to .22mag.
              5.7 is a cool round but price absolutely kills it. If they could somehow get it down to precovid 9mm pricings at max (14-16cpr), it would be a lot more popular. Otherwise why bother.
              https://www.luckygunner.com/lounge/is-5-7x28mm-just-overpriced-22-magnum-part-1/

              As an aside, this thing should've been break action like a contender. No point in making it a bolt if it's single shot.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              Contender is heavy. Also stretching shouldn't be a problem in calibers like 5.7

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                The contender has the advantage of saving probably 2.5 inches in OAL for the same barrel length because there doesn't need to be room for the bolt.
                All about compromises I guess.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                It's also just easier to load.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >OP is okay to have a swing and miss gun to kick off a company
            probably not really 🙁

  41. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >what is pistol AR

  42. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Now we just need to make 5.7 as cheap as .22lr was for boomers...

  43. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    It's a worse Chiappa Little Badger .22Mag?

  44. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    why is a single shot takedown rifle $400 when semi auto takedown rifles are like $200?

    what's the catch? why is it so expensive? it's not even a magazine fed bolt action? just a single shot?

    • 1 week ago
      sage

      economy of scale

  45. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >"survival" rifle
    >something you rely upon to survive
    >no iron sights
    >built like a cheap chinese toy
    1 bad fall and its over. Just get a cricket at this point. Pic related.

  46. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    It's basically an AR5 without a detachable box magazine?

  47. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Buy an ad

  48. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    How many other rounds perform worse out of a rifle length barrel?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Hardly a fair assessment. The KelTec isn't actually a handgun, it was only sold that way so you could easily convert it to an SBR. If you used a 4" barrel instead of the KelTec's 9" barrel it would be a better comparison.
      Also, animals aren't made of gelatin, gelatin has no nervous system, and gelatin doesn't have to worry about blood loss or lung perforation but you knew that already

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Performance goes up in an actual 4.8" 5.7
        5.7 is freaking weird and pointless unless you have access to AP ammo. Otherwise stick to .22mag.
        5.7 is a cool round but price absolutely kills it. If they could somehow get it down to precovid 9mm pricings at max (14-16cpr), it would be a lot more popular. Otherwise why bother.
        https://www.luckygunner.com/lounge/is-5-7x28mm-just-overpriced-22-magnum-part-1/

        As an aside, this thing should've been break action like a contender. No point in making it a bolt if it's single shot.

  49. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Just use a flux raider or usw

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Hey its actually dumbest Black person in the thread

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        You're right, just carry a normal fricking handgun

  50. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >>dark mountain arms stowaway
    Stupid LARP mall ninja name
    shot, bolt action
    gay
    design with a barrel that threads onto receiver. Chambering swaps are possible in the future. For now it's in 5.7x28
    Who fricking cares
    barrel
    ok
    >>2.8lbs
    ok
    >>AR grips
    gay
    in pistol variant
    Don't care
    >>$400 MSRP
    ok
    >Finally, it's here. A packable rifle in a respectable (i.e. not 22LR) chambering with more options to come.
    .22LR is king and will always be king gaylord, if you believe otherwise you're wrong.
    >Single shot chads won. 5.7 chads won. Scout rifle chads won.
    Black person.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      [...]

      shot, bolt action
      >gay
      WRONG THERE

  51. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    A FRICKING RED DOT NO IRONS

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >A FRICKING RED DOT NO IRONS
      On a 'survival rifle'. Shit, garbage.

  52. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >manually wienered bolt
    >receiver doesn't have clips/tie off points to attach barrel in stowed config
    >no irons
    >meme caliber and not just .22lr or .22wmr or .357
    >no magazine, detachable or internal
    >no storage spots for spare ammo
    >no sling attachment points (?)
    It's occupying a weird place where it made a bunch of design "optimizations" but didn't take it as far as the Chiappa Little Badger but lacks a ton of features from something like a 10/22 takedown with a X-22 stock. Maybe if it did the takedown thing better than just being a detachable barrel I'd find it appealing, but 5.7 as the one truly unique selling point isn't enough to make me care. Sorry, back to the drawing board.

  53. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Why I know these people are idiots, aside from all the stuff already stated, is that if they wanted a .22 caliber somewhat meme round they didn’t even pick the right one. 22 TCM is flat out better, but if they didn’t .22 TCM 9R you’d still get the short length and moderately high velocity .22 cal round, the ability to actually reload it, AND you could swap to 9mm with just a barrel change. A barrel shouldn’t be more than $80-100 and that’s more appealing.

  54. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    ITT anon shills new niche rifle that will sell 500 and force them out of business

  55. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >single shot
    >Chambering swaps are possible in the future. For now it's in 5.7x28
    >AR grips
    >no cheekpiece on the stock
    /trash/
    > A packable rifle in a respectable (i.e. not 22LR) chambering with more options to come.
    That's not a packable rifle, that's a pocketable rifle.
    Now picrelated is a packable rifle chambered for grown man's cartridge.

  56. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    would be better it was 22 mag or hornet

  57. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I have had enough of the tacticool and survivalist trends.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Same. Who's to blame though? Gun manufacturers who capitalise on the military themes, gamers generation that hasn't learned to appreciate craftsmanship and aesthetics of the classic firearms, or survivalist subculture that is mostly busy with surviving on the trail between computer, toilet and the fridge?
      We, the humanity of the planet, need a fudd renaissance.

  58. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    This almost exactly what I was looking for a couple years ago. I wanted a single shot 5.56 rifle that I could mount a small scope to it and use it to kill the groundhogs behind my house. If they do end up making one in 5.56, then I will probably end up buying one.

  59. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I guess I just don't see how this is better than throwing a collapsible stock or brace onto an LC Charger, other than it's a bit cheaper for a rifle that loses out in multiple ways.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      It's made to be a long gun you can throw in your hiking bag and make an accurate shot if you really want to shoot something with preparation. Basically an emergency small game rifle. A loaded LC with stock is going to weigh ~6 lbs, which is a lot when you have ~30 pounds to work with and a day's water supply is already 10 pounds minimum.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >long gun you can throw in your hiking bag and make an accurate shot if you really want to shoot something with preparation.
        Picrelated.
        > if you really want to shoot something with preparation.
        >Basically an emergency small game rifle
        Isn't there a contradiction? Emergency supposes that you are not prepared. You speak of an emergency kit rather than a full gear that you've prepared for a planned trip to the wilderness.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >Picrelated
          Too heavy and obtrusive. The gun in the OP is small enough to fit in a bag and weighs almost nothing.
          >Isn't there a contradiction? Emergency supposes that you are not prepared.
          It would be used in the emergency that you get lost or hear something you don't like in the bushes. It very much does feel like a half-measure, but it's for people that want a long gun but don't want to lug around more than a pistol. This lets you do both (poorly).

          Honestly, I've been spending my whole time in this thread trying to justify its existence because an ultra-light takedown rifle shooting something better than .22 Mag seems really cool, but the only real niche I'm seeing is varmint hunting or some kind of assassin LARP gun. I personally can't see why a semi-auto rifle wouldn't be preferable if you really want to take a gun hiking and just dealing with the extra 3 pounds.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >Too heavy and obtrusive.
            Even though it's a takedown?
            >It would be used in the emergency that you get lost or hear something you don't like in the bushes
            Wouldn't it be better to grab a proper 12 gauge double gun with you then? You can disassemble that one and put it in the backpack as well, and hunt pretty much anything that lives in the woods to the north of equator. Or defend yourself from almost any threat, except for elephant or hippo in heat.
            > for people that want a long gun but don't want to lug around more than a pistol
            Those are some weird people, I say.
            >but the only real niche I'm seeing is varmint hunting or some kind of assassin LARP gun.
            Honestly, I'd love to have a Day of the Jackal gun, just so I could walk in the shooting range acting like I have a broken leg, then disassemble my crutch and pull out this thing.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >msrp 1k
      that's probably it

      even brand fricking new
      it's much cheaper probably idk though

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        yes according to op
        it's like 400$ brand new in the current year
        and that is like 1k
        that's why

        and it's probably lighter...that's like second reason
        and has fish hooks in it's butt

  60. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    good price point for a novelty gun. If they ever made it in a caliber that isn't a meme I'd buy one.

  61. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    why not in .357 mag

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      that'd be dope. any magnum, or even 9x19 idc. Anything but fricking 5.7

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      because that's not a hypebeast moron caliber.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Because that'd be remotely sensible

  62. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    What's the gun equivalent of pic related?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      cricket

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Maverick 88

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