1. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    the fuck? it looks exactly the same as the 1301.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      the 1301 has a slightly different locking system

      This apparently has more creature comforts like mlok and quick attack points

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        The really big deal is that it's US made, which means no 922r fuckery. The 1301 and Benellis only come with short 5 round tubes and you're out several hundred bucks extra for a good quality extension kit plus US-made compliance parts to prevent ATF from shooting your dog. Being US-made this thing comes right out of the box with a full-length 7 round tube, and that's pretty uncommon in general, I think the Mossberg 9xx series are the only other good-quality semiautos with that.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          922r is bullshit, you can just swap the mag tube and be done with it.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Depends where you live and what ends up happening with the gun, in theory prosecutors could pound you in the ass over 922r if you used the gun defensively and that's especially likely in blue states/cities, which also happen to be the places where an HD shotgun makes the most sense. I'd rather not risk it and besides, good upgrades for Italian shotguns are expensive as fuck anyway and this thing comes with most of the stuff you'd want, it's arguably more comparable to the Langdon 1301 than a stock one and there's really a big price differential when making that comparison, plus you won't have to wait in line for it.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              >in theory prosecutors could pound you in the ass over 922r if you used the gun defensively
              How? You know what the magazine spring has stamped on it? You know what the trigger has stamped on it? You know what the follower has stamped on it? Fucking NOTHING. The ONLY "Made in Italy" on the gun is on the receiver. They can't prove you aren't in full 922r compliance because they can't prove a single part of the gun, save the receiver, isn't made in the US.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Your quads trump my dubs but I'd still rather not risk it, and like I say, even if there's no real concern of legal issues on our end it still means the gun can come already equipped the way I'd want it and I don't have to spend hundreds on an extension, spring, clamp, and aftermarket forend or other solution for mounting a light. Seems pretty win-win to me and from everything I've heard the A300 is still a good, reliable action.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                If the prosecution cared enough to push 922r they could line up oem part diagrams with your identical unmarked oem parts and use that to present the *reasonable* argument that they are the oem parts and thus imported. It then falls to the defense to prove that they are NOT the oem imported parts.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Burden of proof is never on the defendant. They don't have to present a reasonable argument, they have to prove beyond all reasonable doubt. Saying you bought clone parts in cash at a gun show provides reasonable doubt. A well made clone part should match factory specs exactly anyway.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                The judge would still need to determine if imaginary gun show unmarked exact clone part scenarios are enough to to provide a reasonable doubt. It does not prevent the prosecution from submitting that as their evidence even though it could be determined inadmissible.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >The judge would still need to determine
                A jury of 12 people would need to unanimously agree.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                You're moving goalposts from "it can't be submit as evidence" to "the jury gets to decide". The fact doesn't change that it would be simple for prosecution to get a 922r violation into court. It is up to the judge to decide what evidence makes it to the jury, and then the jury to deliberate on how and if that evidence and the arguments provided for and against it apply to their decision towards the charges.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                I never had goalposts of "it can't be submitted as evidence". You could buy all 922r parts and still have it submitted for evidence with the claim you forged the "made in us" markings. The outcome is the same, there isn't proof beyond all reasonable doubt to convict on a 922r violation in any set of circumstances. It's a fundamentally impossible charge to prove with how gun parts are actually marked unless you're doing it at the importer level intercepting whole guns off the boat.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Anything that makes it to the jury is a gamble. Both the prosecution and defense arguments can blow on the spinning coin, but claiming it is unprosecutable assumes that a jury will always flip one way (which they won't) or that it wouldn't be admissible as evidence in the first place.

                [...]
                [...]
                I'd also bear in mind that even if they can't convict you it's still an opportunity for them to turn an otherwise clear-cut defensive shoot into a trial that'll cost you tens of thousands of dollars to beat and potentially fuck your life up in other ways too.

                This is another not so well hidden truth. The cost of a trial is not just jail time or levied fines, but the cost of being in court itself. Even if you beat the charges, the financial burdens of doing so serve as their own form of rehabilitation that can prevent you from wanting to perform similar actions that resulted in the charges in the first place.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >The judge would still need to determine
                A jury of 12 people would need to unanimously agree.

                You're moving goalposts from "it can't be submit as evidence" to "the jury gets to decide". The fact doesn't change that it would be simple for prosecution to get a 922r violation into court. It is up to the judge to decide what evidence makes it to the jury, and then the jury to deliberate on how and if that evidence and the arguments provided for and against it apply to their decision towards the charges.

                I'd also bear in mind that even if they can't convict you it's still an opportunity for them to turn an otherwise clear-cut defensive shoot into a trial that'll cost you tens of thousands of dollars to beat and potentially fuck your life up in other ways too.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          922r is bullshit, you can just swap the mag tube and be done with it.

          Depends where you live and what ends up happening with the gun, in theory prosecutors could pound you in the ass over 922r if you used the gun defensively and that's especially likely in blue states/cities, which also happen to be the places where an HD shotgun makes the most sense. I'd rather not risk it and besides, good upgrades for Italian shotguns are expensive as fuck anyway and this thing comes with most of the stuff you'd want, it's arguably more comparable to the Langdon 1301 than a stock one and there's really a big price differential when making that comparison, plus you won't have to wait in line for it.

          >in theory prosecutors could pound you in the ass over 922r if you used the gun defensively
          How? You know what the magazine spring has stamped on it? You know what the trigger has stamped on it? You know what the follower has stamped on it? Fucking NOTHING. The ONLY "Made in Italy" on the gun is on the receiver. They can't prove you aren't in full 922r compliance because they can't prove a single part of the gun, save the receiver, isn't made in the US.

          If the prosecution cared enough to push 922r they could line up oem part diagrams with your identical unmarked oem parts and use that to present the *reasonable* argument that they are the oem parts and thus imported. It then falls to the defense to prove that they are NOT the oem imported parts.

          Wait wait wait wait.... wait.... are you anons telling me 922r is more than just an import restriction? We have to keep them compliant even as the end user??

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >complying

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            It's effectively an import restriction because it is literally impossible to prove noncompliance even if they took your parts to fucking CERN to analyze.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Technically yeah. Prosecutions for it alone are basically unheard of, but it occasionally gets tacked onto a list of other charges or, more relevant to PrepHole, there's a possibility that some cunt libtard anti-gun DA will try to use it as a way to fuck you over for what's otherwise a legal self-defense shooting.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              That's crazy... I'd sooner use any number of my American ARs for self defense, but I had no idea about imports lol

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              So it’s a paranoid BS scenario.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Maybe, but like I said it also means you can walk into a gun store, spend less than a grand, and walk out with a gun that's already configured the way you'd want it to be, rather than having to order and wait for expensive parts for an already expensive gun to get the same capability. I can see going with an Benelli or 1301 if you're competiting with it or really into tactical shotgun classes or whatever but for the average HD user I see very little reason to deal with the cost and hassles of those other guns.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          S&J Hardware makes a 1301 extension that is less than 100 USD, There's a bunch in their Canadian stores but not their US site right now

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >US-made compliance parts to prevent ATF from shooting your dog

          has a single person every been charged for violating 922r?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            its one of those secondary things they probably charge people with

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              “Probably” doesn’t cut it.
              You claim that they’ll charge you for it. Show me one person who is not an importer getting charged and convicted for it.

              I’d wager that even the most anti-gun prosecutors have no idea that 922r is even a thing. And I’m also willing to bet that they aren’t even going to bother charging it because they have better things to do than convince a jury of twelve dumbasses of the minutia of import laws

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Unsure why you are so confident the govt will not use a retarded and unjustified important law to prosecute and disarm citizens.
                The problem is 922r will mean whatever ATF and their Lawyers, Judge and Jury says it means.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                *import

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            no and the fact that people here are worried about it means the board quality has declined farther

  2. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Another semi shotgun
    boooorrring

  3. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Wow TFB TV, so glad u got rid of that creepy/boring Patrick character

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      its okay we have not gay james now

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Bring back long range shooter “Joel W.” That guy was cool, flexes on les poors etc.

        Btw, did Sig pay for the strip club back room tip?

  4. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >An even more poorfag oriented version of a poorfag gun
    The American consumer market is really good at destroying good brands by demanding bargain bin bullshit from them (See: Aimpoint Duty, everything Nu-SIG makes, Mauser M18, etc)

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >1301
      >poorfag

      is this some sort of benelli cope

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      anon the 1301 is only a few hundred less than a benelli m4

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        700 dollars less

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          and a couple of lbs lighter, and dramatically nicer to handle, with better controls, and a faster operating mechanism
          Unless you want an M4 for its own sake (understandable) the 1301 is a better buy, and the A300 looks like a better option still unless you're planning on shooting something that needs multiple rounds of buckshot as fast as possible

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >and a couple of lbs lighter
            Nothing is free. It's lighter because its not built to withstand hard use like an M4.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              There's a difference between being built to withstand hard use and being built to withstand Marines.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                That's probably fine for the vast majority of people who'd buy it, though. 99.9% of people are likely to stick it in a closet or under the bed in case of a break-in, maybe 25 or 30% will take it to the range a few times a year to stay somewhat proficient and make sure it still works, and a tiny fraction might compete with it and they'll still probably be totally fine. It might not hold up as well to being dragged through a desert by doorkickers for 15 years straight but that's not really relevant to any of us.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Exactly.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              I guarantee that a 3gunner's 1301 sees more actual use than a regiment's worth of M1014s

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Maybe as much SHOOTING but not nearly as much USE. Bashing the gun against rocks and the ground and shit. Shooting guns isn't the thing that wears them out most in the field.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              There's a difference between being built to withstand hard use and being built to withstand Marines.

              It's not "free", it's because it uses an entirely different operating system anon. The inertial system requires a decent amount of heft flying to work, a gas system requires a lot less mass. You could replace the entire inventory of benelli m4s with A400s and reliability probably wouldn't even wiggle, if not actually slightly improve just because of niche cases where the inertia system couldn't get quite enough of a firm backing to recoil properly against. This is arguing over niches when no significant difference exists here

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                the M4 is gas-operated

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      1301 tactical is like 1400-1600 bucks

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        if you got a deal, or a good as hell gunshop with a based as fuck owner who is giving you a deal and really looking out for you.
        1301's are getting to be a real motherfucker to find right now. its easier to find a Benelli M4 with doodads and other such crumpets.

        Burden of proof is never on the defendant. They don't have to present a reasonable argument, they have to prove beyond all reasonable doubt. Saying you bought clone parts in cash at a gun show provides reasonable doubt. A well made clone part should match factory specs exactly anyway.

        burden of proof in practice is ALWAYS on the defendant, even if it is illegal in spirit and action. you have to prove your innocence and the state just has to make accusations.
        >YOU DONT REALLY NEED A "COMBAT SHOTGUN" DO YOU? ARE YOU PLAYING G.I. JOE?
        and now the jury thinks you're a crazed serial killer with Weapons of War™℠®© out for the virgin blood of poor lil jamal who has broken into your house, that you obviously made look like a rich mans house in order to lead him to his death.
        fuck it put a chainsaw on the end of hte goddamn thing and a flame thrower.

        OH MY GOD ANOTHER SHOTGUN WITH THE SAME 100 YEAR OLD TECHNOLOGY WOW HOW IMPRESSIVE SO WOW HERE'S 2000 FUNNY MONEY

        >THAT'S 115 YEAR OLD TECHNOLOGY GOYIM!! WE WOULD HAVE TO PAY LICENSING OTHERWISE!!
        >T. THE ITALIAN SHOTGUN garden gnomeS OF ITALY

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >Consumers vote with thier wallet
      >Consumers want everything for nothing
      >Manufacturers want your first born child
      >Shit evens out eventually
      >This is shocking and unheard of
      The entire success story of glock is making a cheaper product and undercutting competition. The remington 870 and the mossberg 500 is this in action.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      99% of all guns in the US would be below your retarded standards. Nothing screams poor AND inexperienced like someone fussing over economy models or snubbing their nose at them. They exist for a reason and anything actually nice is already out there by other companies. You are just upset you werent foolishly parted with your money over a hypebeast scam

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      99% of all guns in the US would be below your retarded standards. Nothing screams poor AND inexperienced like someone fussing over economy models or snubbing their nose at them. They exist for a reason and anything actually nice is already out there by other companies. You are just upset you werent foolishly parted with your money over a hypebeast scam

      it's not even really an "economy" model 1301. The A300 has been in production for quite some time for about the same MSRP if not less. This is better thought of as a "tactical" A300. There really aren't many changes to the very well-proven a300 design, which has done quite well with upland and waterfowl hunters/clay shooters over the years. All they did was bake-in the Modified Choke, add on a ring sight/post/rail, use a full length magtube, and that is essentially it. The A300 already had very solid bones for a tactical shotgun, it just wasn't Beretta's focus to make them BE tactical for the same reason they don't make a tactical A400. Sure, they COULD, but why even bother? It's a hunting shotgun that's too expensive for most to bother with.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >The A300 has been in production for quite some time for about the same MSRP AS THIS CURRENT TACTICAL OFFERING if not less

  5. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >Under $1000
    Aren't shotties usually like $500? You can get really reliable, turkish, tactical semi-autos for that

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >really reliable
      >turk

      except no

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >You can get really reliable, turkish, tactical semi-autos for that
        anon... 😐

        Okay, okay, I'll admit that if you get a $200 turk-shotty, you'll get what you pay for. But surely if it's $500, then it will be of better quality.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          You'd hope. But no.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          TFB TV tested the most premium turkish pump action they could get their hands on and it still managed to shit the bed while the Maverick 88 passed the same test without a single issue.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Pretty much all the Turkshit brought in by fly-by-night importers is shit. Keep in mind other reputable manufacturers bring in Turkshit too that isn’t crap. CZ, Mossberg, Savage/Stevens, Weatherby and Beretta/Benelli as Stoeger all bring in Turkshit. Pretty much all of these are $500+. The dangerous shit is when you buy a $200 shotgun with a feature list that you wouldn’t find in a shotgun that costs 3x as much. Your Sizzlesazzlemas Black Eagle Goku Tactical imported by XYZ importer isn’t going to be worth its weight in scrap.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              What Beretta/Benelli guns are turkshit? Not doubting, just curious since I've got a Nova, which is afaik Benelli's cheapest gun, and it's still all Italian.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                None. Stoeger is the brand that is made in Turkey that is owned by Beretta.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Oh, shit, I misread and thought it said "and Stoeger" instead of "as Stoeger." Shouldn't have replied right after waking up I guess.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Remember when all of those roachnelli m4's started crapping out?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >You can get really reliable, turkish, tactical semi-autos for that
      anon... 😐

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      all turkish shotguns outside of stoeger double-barrels are going to be fairly shit. theres a REASON why gun stores are trying so hard to get rid of them.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        I thought stoeger was brazilian

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >Turkshit
      >Reliable
      Hahaha, good one mang

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >turkshit
      except no.

  6. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    The blink system is sweet, can the a300 hold 8+1? I like the 1301, basically a tactical a400. The a300 is alright, but there's a definite weight and quality difference between the American a300 and Italian a400s. I imagine the a300 will be a good competitor to the 940, but I doubt it will be as lightweight or smooth as a 1301 or m4

  7. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    OH MY GOD ANOTHER SHOTGUN WITH THE SAME 100 YEAR OLD TECHNOLOGY WOW HOW IMPRESSIVE SO WOW HERE'S 2000 FUNNY MONEY

  8. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I don't care about this, but I'm interested in whether the handguard and barrel clamp are compatible with the 1301

  9. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >not pump/semi hybrid
    >not bullpup

    Piece of shit. How is this a new gun? It's the same as a bunch of other guns that have existed for decades. You can't keep letting them pull shit like this on you. It's the same fucking gun they're marketing as something new and innovative...

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Oh. So night PrepHole isn't a thing anymore... Okay...

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >omg you goys a nu shootgun for us to consoom!
        >there's even more ploostic on it than the last one!!!
        >looks like I'm booying a new goon!

  10. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >A300 larperator shotgun for fatties and mallninjas
    That's not even the best shotgun to come out of beretta at the show nerd.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >mallninjas

      anon no one says mallninja anymore

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >you have to cater your language for election tourists and youtube celebrity whorshippers, anon
        you're gay af tbh

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Fudd kys

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Fudds actually use their guns in the field for their intended purposes

  11. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Just what everyone wanted. A shittier US made 1301T. Does it have the dogshit kickoff system the Ultima and a400 have?

  12. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >a worse 1301
    > U.S made so it's cheaply made

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >a slightly worse 1301
      >that comes with a bunch of stuff that you were going to buy aftermarket anyway
      I'm not going to buy one, but lots of people who were turned off by the 1301's price point and need for aftermarket gubbins definitely will

  13. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    biggest thing is probably the receiver cut-out for quad loading

  14. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    ah yes finally a gentleman's shotgun with mlok, ir reduction, neat milling, and bearable recoil
    might have to pick up this archaic technology for once
    to think I even thought of a shoulder destroying
    KS7 for my collection heh scoff

  15. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    What does this gun do that the Mossberg 940 doesn't?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      It's just a better stock setup overall, comes with ghost rings and a receiver rail for optics, has an M-LOK forend where the Mossberg only has slots on the barrel clamp (gives you more options and is really nice if you want to run a remote switch), it's slightly cheaper, and it's a Beretta shotgun so the ergos are probably god-tier. All that aside it's also just nice having choice.

  16. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    How much furniture compatibility is there between the Ax00 guns and the 1301?

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