Is there any actual reason for the pointed bow besides wanting to be special snowflakes who don't want to use decadent globohomosexual nazi designs? The only thing I can think of is that a lot of older Russian ships had armored bows that served as an icebreaker.
It's useful for flipping your pilots into the sea as they takeoff so they don't have to suffer being Russian anymore and ramming globohomosexual carriers.
>clenches jaw, asks fricking silverback-skull seaman his thoughts >he sits in contemplative silence
But really the skull shapes in this photo are all over the fricking place
I think it's already quite obvious form the paper model and the gay pride paint job, but whoever made this knows nothing about carrier design.
All carriers have their island on the starboard side except for two ww2 japanese carriers. This is because when shit happens during landing, the pilots instinctively turn to the left.
>I think it's already quite obvious form the paper model and the gay pride paint job, but whoever made this knows nothing about carrier design
True but imagine being a model builder/designer (though obviously not of the naval variety) and getting such a project
Why wouldn't you go absolutely wild with it?
It won't be built anyway
I would make the Finno-Korean hyper war look like a fricking joke
>This is because when shit happens during landing, the pilots instinctively turn to the left.
Actually, it's leftover from the days of propeller-driven carrier planes. Single-engine prop planes naturally yaw to the left when out of control.
Here's an article that details why, if you're interested:
https://www.boldmethod.com/learn-to-fly/aerodynamics/why-you-need-right-rudder-on-takeoff-to-stay-on-the-centerline-ground-roll/
Incidentally, this effect being unusually strong on it was one of the factors why the F4U Corsair was such a notorious b***h to land safely.
Since we're still using prop planes and drones I don't see it going away any time soon. But yeah, I get you, with cats the way they are its lowkey eliminated
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I think it's already quite obvious form the paper model and the gay pride paint job, but whoever made this knows nothing about carrier design.
All carriers have their island on the starboard side except for two ww2 japanese carriers. This is because when shit happens during landing, the pilots instinctively turn to the left.
Is there any actual reason for the pointed bow besides wanting to be special snowflakes who don't want to use decadent globohomosexual nazi designs? The only thing I can think of is that a lot of older Russian ships had armored bows that served as an icebreaker.
For science. Shit was probably a result of some hydrodynamic simulation research.
Remember that both communist and ex-communist countries have a history of designing their gear just as much for display as for actual use. Shit has to look good on parade.
Hey, if I got paid to make fantasy carriers that will never be made out of glue and cardboard I'd make something fun and stupid too. Don't go hard on the modelmaker.
Not that guy, but I literally build my Legos with my gf. Really, from what I've talked with people, brick autist girls aren't even that rare. Pic sort of related, she insisted on the cat ears on the technical.
2 years ago
Anonymous
My gf had more legos than i did, and i had a couple of 50L boxes of them.
>Very cool legos, anon, I really mean that. But I have to ask when was the last time you spent time with a girl who wasn’t your mother or sister?
Last night I was with your mother
Last time I was on a date was about a month ago and debated banging this milf but I’m moving in 3 months so no point. Every girl I’ve shown them to thought my Lego was really cool lol
I cant, Ive already accepted that I am going to die a violent death. In light of that realisation Ive chosen NOT to involve any innocent women in my fate.
Your one to call a man an incel, but really I dont get pussy for their sake 🙁
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Very cool legos, anon, I really mean that. But I have to ask when was the last time you spent time with a girl who wasn’t your mother or sister?
Imagine being so insecure over someone else's hobby lmao.
I wonder if they've deluded themselves into believing they're going to seize Mykolaiv with the shipyards intact. At this rate they'll be lucky to freeze the conflict and hold Kherson.
Hey, they could always use some of that petrochemical revenue to actually invest in a new infrastructure project that would benefit the Russian nation as a whole.
>I wonder if they've deluded themselves into believing they're going to seize Mykolaiv with the shipyards intact.
Here's how Russian industry works:
1. Behave as if the best-case scenario is going to happen, i.e. solicit govt contracts, grease palms, line up customers, get investors
2. Spend all the money on hookers and cars
3. The best case scenario doesn't happen; you're off the hook for all the money
This. Russian industry is essentially like that Mel Brooks move The Producers. It's more profitable to make a flop than it is to actually have to sell something.
>I wonder if they've deluded themselves into believing they're going to seize Mykolaiv with the shipyards intact.
Can an aircraft carrier of that size even cross the Bosporus?
My favorite is comparing the AK with Kaga as both are similarly sized ships both in dry dock at the same time. While the AK has a mess of a rusted, cluttered deck with dirt ramps in the dry dock, Kaga has a clean and organized work effort. Also despite Kaga going through a much more major refit, Kaga has progressed 100x faster than the AK has.
They just need to let the poor girl die in peace but there ego is so high they never will. The one combat mission it went on ended in disaster. They had to send the air wing to a land base because of all the issues they were having with planes crashing. Russia would be 100 times better off spending the money on something more useful than trying to pretend they need or even have the ability to operate a carrier.
They just need to let the poor girl die in peace but there ego is so high they never will. The one combat mission it went on ended in disaster. They had to send the air wing to a land base because of all the issues they were having with planes crashing. Russia would be 100 times better off spending the money on something more useful than trying to pretend they need or even have the ability to operate a carrier.
For me it's trying to fix her up in a dry dock >Dry dock sinks
>Brings an entire "would totally have brought HATO to its knees if they had ever been built (or were actually physically possible in the first place) range of models.
I can see it. Hell, the Russian Navy in WoWS is basically nothing but that, just in 3D.
I'm not convinced that would give them the ability to conduct a landing at Odesa but that being said, the tiny size means that it would be hard to hit with a UAV or Neptune`
Its amazing how they're willing to announce all knew capital class super ships
but never seem to think it might be more believable if they announce a massive upgrade to a shipyard to produce it as well.
I understand that increasing a dockyard's ability to produce a larger ship isn't something that can be done overnight but it seems less embarrassing to announce you're going to at least TRY to make improvements and increased tonnage size to one of your dockyards rather than continue to make announcements of ships everyone who actually knows about their naval capabilities can't actually build
1. The Chinese ain't selling.
2. Even if they were, they'd be demanding hard cash, so LMAO.
3. Russkies are obsessed about building their own and trying to retain their shipbuilding becuase muh prestige.
>Russkies are obsessed about building their own and trying to retain their shipbuilding becuase muh prestige.
Russia has to buy their icebreakers in Germany so that boat sailed years ago
You'd think that at least this would be their expertise
Yeah, I was surprised too, I thought a country with a massive arctic coast could at least build icebreakers reliably
Remember the shit storm with France and Germany and the 2014 embargo?
Turns out the bulk of the German export weren't weapons but fricking icebreakers
2 years ago
Anonymous
It wasn't the whole icebreaker but the upper parts.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Chernomyrdin_(icebreaker)
2 years ago
Anonymous
>It wasn't the whole icebreaker but the upper parts.
Nah, it was two complete ones of the MPSV06 class, the murman and the Bering strait.
Russia tried to build the first one themselves but has later given up and ordered the other 2 from Nordic yards in Wismar
I don't think they're unfamiliar, they're just not very good at it. Doesn't help that it's a logistical nightmare for the Pacific fleet to reinforce the Black Sea fleet and vice versa.
>that it's a logistical nightmare for the Pacific fleet to reinforce the Black Sea fleet and vice versa.
Nobody has ever understated the Voyage of the Damned harder than this
Because China’s geography dictates that its navy is genuinely more important than its army. Most of China’s biggest enemies are across an ocean. It has zero states on its borders that dictate a large land army like Russia. >be china >naval power counters japan, South Korea, the phillipines, Taiwan, the US >land army power has the occasional large fistfight with pajeets in the mountains and uhhhh…nothing else
China still sells frigates to Pakistan and subs and amphibious assault ships to Thailand. It's not like they can't export a few to Russia if Moscow wants to buy.
More than ten I think. There’s that recent pic of them building five at a time-in their second biggest shipyard.
If you’ve ever worked with Changs you’ll know that they usually just like building/replacing broken shit rather than doing repair work and maintenance on old shit-if they can afford it. I’ll bet anything that they’re only planning on using their current destroyers for about 5-7 years each, pawning them off to some smaller shithole like Thailand or Pakistan when they get worn out, then building new ones. Probably good for shipyard business too. Russians, however, do not have anywhere near the industry to maintain their current fleet let alone a load of pseudo-disposable Chinese destroyers. Also it’d be pretty fricking embarrassing to admit that their navy has to buy stock from China. I know I’d be embarrassed. Every major power worth a damn, even the upper-middle powers like South Korea and Canada, builds its own ships. It’s a hallmark of having an economy and defense industry that’s not complete garbage.
In his defense...
It was for a sub-zero test that was ordered because "big round number".
Nowhere on earth gets that cold and they didn't have a machine that could get that cold.
More than ten I think. There’s that recent pic of them building five at a time-in their second biggest shipyard.
If you’ve ever worked with Changs you’ll know that they usually just like building/replacing broken shit rather than doing repair work and maintenance on old shit-if they can afford it. I’ll bet anything that they’re only planning on using their current destroyers for about 5-7 years each, pawning them off to some smaller shithole like Thailand or Pakistan when they get worn out, then building new ones. Probably good for shipyard business too. Russians, however, do not have anywhere near the industry to maintain their current fleet let alone a load of pseudo-disposable Chinese destroyers. Also it’d be pretty fricking embarrassing to admit that their navy has to buy stock from China. I know I’d be embarrassed. Every major power worth a damn, even the upper-middle powers like South Korea and Canada, builds its own ships. It’s a hallmark of having an economy and defense industry that’s not complete garbage.
So far the ships they've built for those countries have been brand new, not second hand. I doubt Thailand would accept a busted frigate since the last time China offered 4 new Type 054s, the Thais just went with just ONE custom South Korean frigate instead.
...are you seriously trying to claim the Chinese are so rich that they can afford throwing away slightly used warships and just building new ones at like 3 times faster a replacement rate as the yanks?
Jesus. I sure hope that ain't true.
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>building
Only thing they're building is badly-made scale models. Reminder that they don't even have a shipyard capable of building anything bigger than the 4k-ton Gorshkovs anymore.
>the Russian navy knows how to do nothing with their garbage rustbuckets; except sink
FTFY
https://i.imgur.com/A73mp6w.jpg
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More sinking?
I don’t think even the chinks would be this fricking incompetent. And if they were, the entire crew would probably earn an instant one-way ticket to a Xinjiang gulag.
Tbf, not just the crews fault, but the leaderships. They received readiness report that showed like three quarters of her weapons were out of action, half her engines were emergency-use only due to being like 30k+ workhours beyond replacement date, 5/6th of her onboard firefighting equipment was missing etc. And decided that yes, this is satisfactory and she can be sent into combat like that.
>Jesus. I sure hope that ain't true.
I’m judging this “disposable Chinese ship doctrine” on the fact that China possesses the world’s largest shipbuilding industry by a huge margin at this point and can churn out frigates and DDs with the speed and intensity of Warhammer orcs. I don’t like the CCP, Xi Jinping, and I’m not a communist or authoritarian, but it’s an objective fact that China can crank out both civilian ships and warships at a rate that leaves just about everybody except maybe South Korea in the dust.
Maybe I’m wrong though. the Chinese will inevitably have to slow down production and try to find some sort of peak number of naval forces to maintain and stop building so many so quickly. Then it’s a question of whether they bother maintaining their already-enormous fleet of Destroyers/frigates/cruisers or just scrapping them and building new replacements.
This has crossed my mind before actually. Sure they can shit out as many ships as they want if they but if they expand naval personnel accordingly and stuff their ships full of inexperienced crewmen and newly minted officers that's gonna seriously degrade the PLAN's actual performance vs its paper performance.
To add onto this There’s also the fact that building new ships instead of bothering with serious maintenance would, by some metrics, stimulate their economy in the same way the CCP builds all those empty apartment blocks to stimulate it already. It’d keep their shipyards in business and always working on new shit.
There's a wee bit of a difference between "just" having the biggest shipbuilding industry in the world, and being able to afford replacing your whole navy once a decade.
One is worrying, the other is GAME OVER, MAN! levels of industrial overmatch comapred to everybody else.
This has crossed my mind before actually. Sure they can shit out as many ships as they want if they but if they expand naval personnel accordingly and stuff their ships full of inexperienced crewmen and newly minted officers that's gonna seriously degrade the PLAN's actual performance vs its paper performance.
That's exactly why their expansion is something that's happening over the course of several decades, I'd guess.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>That's exactly why their expansion is something that's happening over the course of several decades, I'd guess.
Such a simple yet low in booming statement.
They'll learn what every pre-eminent naval power has learned - its a huge up-front cost in investment and a massive bill in maintenance, and if you're not the single pre-eminent naval power on Planet Earth then there's no point to investing at all, because your navy will immediately be sunk by the USN at the opening move of any conflict and all of your investment will be for naught when it could have gone into infrastructure, training troops, or building bunkers in the hills.
If it ever becomes an issue that the Chinese Navy were seriously threatening American Hegemony over the world's waters you could expect all global trade in or out of China to be locked down overnight. This investment in a navy is purely a result of the delusion that any nation is going to be allowed to project power other than the US, at this point, because China sovereign and Da West Can't Stop Us, or something. Even a casual glance at the strength of the U.S' ability to project power would tell you that its a dangerous delusion at best.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>and if you're not the single pre-eminent naval power on Planet Earth then there's no point to investing at all, because your navy will immediately be sunk by the USN at the opening move of any conflict
This is outright false long before you hit outright parity.
>If it ever becomes an issue that the Chinese Navy were seriously threatening American Hegemony over the world's waters you could expect all global trade in or out of China to be locked down overnight.
Yes, because making essentially the entire globe their enemy overnight would be an absolute masterstroke on the US' part, I'm sure.
>This investment in a navy is purely a result of the delusion that any nation is going to be allowed to project power other than the US
>looks at China projecting power across the Pacific, Indian Ocean and across Africa right now >looks at various secondary powers projecting power globally right now
Yeah, uh, you're the one who is just straight up delusional now.
2 years ago
Anonymous
bingo. china would be blockaded by the time it built half the vessels it needed, and every shipyard and every ship in the nation would be shelled endlessly until there was nothing left. full broadside.
it's one thing to say you can and will build it, it's another thing to say nobody can stop you from building it. few can say that, and china isn't one of them.
I think the current generation of ships that are being built, the Type 052 destroyers and Type 055 cruisers, are intended to be in service for a very long time, but I think this is defo true of many of the previous generations of ships and many of their frigates, they won't be kept in service because they were built in large part to stimulate the ship-building and R&D industries until they could build large numbers of relatively advanced and modern vessels. The Chinese to some extent state this openly, they have said that Type 052's will replace older ships in their inventories.
>three quarters of her weapons were out of action, half her engines were emergency-use only due to being like 30k+ workhours beyond replacement date, 5/6th of her onboard firefighting equipment was missing
The real baffling question is, how the frick was the Moskva in such a state just a year after a major maintenance?
>I’ll bet anything that they’re only planning on using their current destroyers for about 5-7 years each, pawning them off to some smaller shithole like Thailand or Pakistan when they get worn out, then building new ones.
Not really, not only do Changs sell them the same brand new ships they use, you could also head over to Chinese Shipyards in Dalian & Shanghai with your own plans and go "hey build me this hull to this specifications."
>using destroyers for 5-7 years
That makes 0 sense modern naval ships are incredibly expensive to build
Most destroyers get used for at least 20 years
Carriers like 40-50 years
>Every major power worth a damn, even the upper-middle powers like South Korea and Canada, builds its own ships.
Actually kind of funny, I think Germany of all places has launched higher tonnage ships than the Russian federation.
This is just a case of one language translating poorly into another language. Chinese doesn't have a separate word for different branches of the military, "army" is just the general term for any large military command. A more accurate translation of how it sounds to a Chinese speaker would be something like "People's Liberation Armed Forces' Seagoing Force." The Chinese word that is used for Navy is just a portmanteu of the words for ocean and military.
so how many will they actually make? 0.5?
Don't they also have a chip shortage? Are they able to source enough small factor microchips to make a modern naval ship? Or will it be chock full of 70's-80's shit they take off their old ships?
Chips is fine. Russia now of making BMP-1 in factory with no chips instead of BMP-3 with many chip, BMP-1 more rugged and have less failure than -3 due to no western chips to fail.
More sinking?
I don’t think even the chinks would be this fricking incompetent. And if they were, the entire crew would probably earn an instant one-way ticket to a Xinjiang gulag.
A shame really, because the soviets could at least take stuff to the prototype stage; all the cool jets, those ridiculous ekranoplans etc... now all we get is pictures of models every couple of months, or some repurposed bullshit from alibaba.
>whats that Mr Tuggy? >zee russian botes are broken down >we will salvage them for their delicious plastic! >toot tooot! >full steam ahead for Bathtopia!
Arrested landings on carriers was a British design transferred to the USS humungo carriers, so yeah.
US basically got free money through debt, free RND from both wars from all of Europe, and basically stole all their intelligent people too through brain drain as they fled war.
The world wars and vast untapped resources caused the US hegemony.
I remember when I played Hearts of Iron 2 years ago and managed to conquer most of Eurasia as Poland but then had trouble going against any other remaining major power since I had nearly no naval tech and building a real fleet would take years. I ended up gearing the bulk of Eurasian industry and manpower into building hundreds of basic b***h destroyers and then just bum rushing the British and US fleets. The destroyers died en masse but they'd get into punching distance and get the job done eventually.
>amphibious assault ship >6 helicopters
exactly what are 6 helicopters going to contribute to an opposed landing?
ships like that exist solely for bullying poor people. an opposed landing against a competent military will require like 10 carriers with their full complements supported by land-based long range strike aircraft like the f111 or strategic bombers with precision munitions for air support.
for a START.
and then you'd need thousands of landing craft and hundreds of troopships.
this idea that anyone is going to be doing amphibious assaults that require actual dedicated equipment is laughable. if you're bullying poor people just bomb their soviet-era anti-air with $6,000,000 missiles and then land on their runways.
if you're doing amphibious assaults against a competent enemy then fuhgeddaboutit.
australia is doing the exact same moronic shit but at least their "helicopter docks" have disaster response utility so they're not a TOTAL waste.
Betting is now open on the following
When will it sink?
Will it even be made?
Will it be made with bubble gum and scotch tape by a raging alcoholic like everything else Russia makes?
how the fricking are the ruskies(who have little experience) going to build a more advanced ship than all of NATO for less money? the economy makes no sense, where are they pulling this technology out of? their entire fleet is aging soviet dogshit, where have they deployed and tested this magic new technology
I feel that I don’t want the Russian balsawood models to disappear from the world. I wonder how much it would cost to buy a highly detailed model of a pre-dreadnaught in heavy seas?
I really want to see an all-out balls to the wall steam across the Pacific of most Chinese fleet so large, flanked all around by missle and air defense boats, that the US is forced to reactivate their entire mothball fleet. I want 4k naval footage.
Cute model
Funny model
I love model boats.
But why
Why not
Is there any actual reason for the pointed bow besides wanting to be special snowflakes who don't want to use decadent globohomosexual nazi designs? The only thing I can think of is that a lot of older Russian ships had armored bows that served as an icebreaker.
It's useful for flipping your pilots into the sea as they takeoff so they don't have to suffer being Russian anymore and ramming globohomosexual carriers.
The triangle is the strongest shape in nature you decadent nazi capitalist American pig.
That one blonde Russian sailor with the look of drugged fanaticism really sells the insanity.
> Batent
Is that the fricking Nikita Mazepin on the left? His egg head looks suspiciously similar.
>Is that the fricking Nikita Mazepin on the left?
Hard times for unemployed drivers, gotta grab what you can
>Is that the fricking Nikita Mazepin on the left?
I heard he signed up with Wagner for next season.
>clenches jaw, asks fricking silverback-skull seaman his thoughts
>he sits in contemplative silence
But really the skull shapes in this photo are all over the fricking place
This shit unironically looks like a paper plane
Gay pride carrier
It...it looks unfinished. Why does it look unfinished? What the frick hahaha
are they using TempleOS?
I think it's already quite obvious form the paper model and the gay pride paint job, but whoever made this knows nothing about carrier design.
All carriers have their island on the starboard side except for two ww2 japanese carriers. This is because when shit happens during landing, the pilots instinctively turn to the left.
>I think it's already quite obvious form the paper model and the gay pride paint job, but whoever made this knows nothing about carrier design
True but imagine being a model builder/designer (though obviously not of the naval variety) and getting such a project
Why wouldn't you go absolutely wild with it?
It won't be built anyway
I would make the Finno-Korean hyper war look like a fricking joke
>This is because when shit happens during landing, the pilots instinctively turn to the left.
Actually, it's leftover from the days of propeller-driven carrier planes. Single-engine prop planes naturally yaw to the left when out of control.
Here's an article that details why, if you're interested:
https://www.boldmethod.com/learn-to-fly/aerodynamics/why-you-need-right-rudder-on-takeoff-to-stay-on-the-centerline-ground-roll/
Incidentally, this effect being unusually strong on it was one of the factors why the F4U Corsair was such a notorious b***h to land safely.
Since we're still using prop planes and drones I don't see it going away any time soon. But yeah, I get you, with cats the way they are its lowkey eliminated
That Gerasimov face will never not be funny
The whole situation in general is a nice metaphor of the current state of Russia
For science. Shit was probably a result of some hydrodynamic simulation research.
This is so fricking moronic and ignores over 100 years of runway design. Who thought this was a good idea?
Remember that both communist and ex-communist countries have a history of designing their gear just as much for display as for actual use. Shit has to look good on parade.
It won't be made anyway so might as well go nuts with the modelling i'd say.
Perhaps but it's already patented
which means the designers have a stake in this materializing.
I wouldn't really trust those russian "patents"
>You see tovarisch, HATO pigs are of being making fun of Chinese for cope ramp. Bow must be being pointy to show strength of Russian Bear
It's less real than the Alibaba Mecha dog.
Hey, if I got paid to make fantasy carriers that will never be made out of glue and cardboard I'd make something fun and stupid too. Don't go hard on the modelmaker.
>Who thought this was a good idea?
Russia Today, Sputnik, ANNA and various other vatBlack person propaganda sources.
This looks designed for planes to spin out of control during takeoff and crash right in front of it
Bet HATO pigs don't expect that
looks like it was made by a child
cutting the runway off at an angle makes no sense
>a fricking triangle
>reach the end of the runway during takeoff
>one wheel leaves before the other
>spin directly into the ocean
Such is life in Russia.
Shitty model
Did they unveil mockups of drydocks capable of building obe?
>fricking Ivan living his best live designing random wunderwaffe models and get the world taking pictures of it
GIWTWM
I loved building mini cap ships with my Legos. Was honestly more fun then making proper sets half the time
yep, can confirm
>t. poorgay who made do
Yeah you can design them with so many different classes and roles in mind.
my spaceship
Very cool legos, anon, I really mean that. But I have to ask when was the last time you spent time with a girl who wasn’t your mother or sister?
I want someone to hug me
What anime asking for a comrade
https://dailylifewithamonstergirl.fandom.com/wiki/Kii
I think your just jealous of the mans Lego collection did your parents buy you any toys when you were a child?
Not that guy, but I literally build my Legos with my gf. Really, from what I've talked with people, brick autist girls aren't even that rare. Pic sort of related, she insisted on the cat ears on the technical.
My gf had more legos than i did, and i had a couple of 50L boxes of them.
>Very cool legos, anon, I really mean that. But I have to ask when was the last time you spent time with a girl who wasn’t your mother or sister?
Last night I was with your mother
Last time I was on a date was about a month ago and debated banging this milf but I’m moving in 3 months so no point. Every girl I’ve shown them to thought my Lego was really cool lol
Nice, I prefer smaller ones just so I can make a lot of them. A fleet, if you will.
nice iss
Nerds. Get yourself some pussy like real men.
I cant, Ive already accepted that I am going to die a violent death. In light of that realisation Ive chosen NOT to involve any innocent women in my fate.
Your one to call a man an incel, but really I dont get pussy for their sake 🙁
Imagine being so insecure over someone else's hobby lmao.
>Dude bro muh bussy
Below freezing iq meathead tier
Are you thecanon who posted his fleet of bunch of sub-variants some time ago on I forgot what board?
Don't really care for subs, more into surface combatants.
I meant, there was an anon, who after I said I love how in LoGH the FPA have dozen variants of the same ship, posted a LEGO fleet similar to
SOVL
how many "new ship designs" have they announced in the last ten years alone?
'bout three-fiddy
Send it to the black sea and the Ukis will make sure it doubles as a submarine
So Russia wants to build another artificial reef system? How magnanimous of them.
It's not like things can get any worse. The Kuznetsov has probably cost the Russians more over the years than these things entire budgets.
Russia reviles a new model of a ship its never going to build every other week.
Russia dose not have a drydock that is capable of berthing a ship over 30000 tons and not a single slipway that can launch a vessel over 13000 tons.
I wonder if they've deluded themselves into believing they're going to seize Mykolaiv with the shipyards intact. At this rate they'll be lucky to freeze the conflict and hold Kherson.
Hey, they could always use some of that petrochemical revenue to actually invest in a new infrastructure project that would benefit the Russian nation as a whole.
Lol.
>I wonder if they've deluded themselves into believing they're going to seize Mykolaiv with the shipyards intact.
Here's how Russian industry works:
1. Behave as if the best-case scenario is going to happen, i.e. solicit govt contracts, grease palms, line up customers, get investors
2. Spend all the money on hookers and cars
3. The best case scenario doesn't happen; you're off the hook for all the money
This. Russian industry is essentially like that Mel Brooks move The Producers. It's more profitable to make a flop than it is to actually have to sell something.
>I wonder if they've deluded themselves into believing they're going to seize Mykolaiv with the shipyards intact.
Can an aircraft carrier of that size even cross the Bosporus?
Under repair for 4 years
My favorite is comparing the AK with Kaga as both are similarly sized ships both in dry dock at the same time. While the AK has a mess of a rusted, cluttered deck with dirt ramps in the dry dock, Kaga has a clean and organized work effort. Also despite Kaga going through a much more major refit, Kaga has progressed 100x faster than the AK has.
They just need to let the poor girl die in peace but there ego is so high they never will. The one combat mission it went on ended in disaster. They had to send the air wing to a land base because of all the issues they were having with planes crashing. Russia would be 100 times better off spending the money on something more useful than trying to pretend they need or even have the ability to operate a carrier.
For me it's trying to fix her up in a dry dock
>Dry dock sinks
cant wait to see it SMOOOOOOKING
Cool helicopters! Now show us the supersonic VTOL capable stealth fighters they'll be sharing the deck with
At this rate the russian military will surely become the top supplier of airfix models.
>Brings an entire "would totally have brought HATO to its knees if they had ever been built (or were actually physically possible in the first place) range of models.
I can see it. Hell, the Russian Navy in WoWS is basically nothing but that, just in 3D.
I'm not convinced that would give them the ability to conduct a landing at Odesa but that being said, the tiny size means that it would be hard to hit with a UAV or Neptune`
Its amazing how they're willing to announce all knew capital class super ships
but never seem to think it might be more believable if they announce a massive upgrade to a shipyard to produce it as well.
I understand that increasing a dockyard's ability to produce a larger ship isn't something that can be done overnight but it seems less embarrassing to announce you're going to at least TRY to make improvements and increased tonnage size to one of your dockyards rather than continue to make announcements of ships everyone who actually knows about their naval capabilities can't actually build
Also note how it's always big dick carriers or SSBNs or cruisers etc.
No word about any of the smaller everyday workhorses of an actually competently-designed fleet.
Reminder that it took them 10 years to build a 4000 tons frigate.
>10 years to build a 4000 tons frigate
*laughs in Iranian*
Isn't China pumping out like 10 DDGs a year? Why doesn't Putin just buy some of those?
1. The Chinese ain't selling.
2. Even if they were, they'd be demanding hard cash, so LMAO.
3. Russkies are obsessed about building their own and trying to retain their shipbuilding becuase muh prestige.
>Russkies are obsessed about building their own and trying to retain their shipbuilding becuase muh prestige.
Russia has to buy their icebreakers in Germany so that boat sailed years ago
You'd think that at least this would be their expertise
>Russia has to buy their icebreakers in Germany
That's a lie
Yeah, I was surprised too, I thought a country with a massive arctic coast could at least build icebreakers reliably
Remember the shit storm with France and Germany and the 2014 embargo?
Turns out the bulk of the German export weren't weapons but fricking icebreakers
It wasn't the whole icebreaker but the upper parts.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Chernomyrdin_(icebreaker)
>It wasn't the whole icebreaker but the upper parts.
Nah, it was two complete ones of the MPSV06 class, the murman and the Bering strait.
Russia tried to build the first one themselves but has later given up and ordered the other 2 from Nordic yards in Wismar
Chinese are doing this shit for some classic gunboat diplomacy, a concept unfamiliar to the Russians.
I don't think they're unfamiliar, they're just not very good at it. Doesn't help that it's a logistical nightmare for the Pacific fleet to reinforce the Black Sea fleet and vice versa.
>that it's a logistical nightmare for the Pacific fleet to reinforce the Black Sea fleet and vice versa.
Nobody has ever understated the Voyage of the Damned harder than this
Because China’s geography dictates that its navy is genuinely more important than its army. Most of China’s biggest enemies are across an ocean. It has zero states on its borders that dictate a large land army like Russia.
>be china
>naval power counters japan, South Korea, the phillipines, Taiwan, the US
>land army power has the occasional large fistfight with pajeets in the mountains and uhhhh…nothing else
You're forgetting that the Russian far east is only separated from the USA, Japan, and South Korea by straits.
And the area is literally worthless other than making the country looking big on maps. All the natural resources are way inland.
China still sells frigates to Pakistan and subs and amphibious assault ships to Thailand. It's not like they can't export a few to Russia if Moscow wants to buy.
Pakis had better check the steel quality....
In his defense...
It was for a sub-zero test that was ordered because "big round number".
Nowhere on earth gets that cold and they didn't have a machine that could get that cold.
>Most of China’s biggest enemies are across an ocean.
China's biggest enemy is its own people, it's why they've chimped out so hard over Xinjiang.
That was because the whole region has a frickton of oil and gas.
More than ten I think. There’s that recent pic of them building five at a time-in their second biggest shipyard.
If you’ve ever worked with Changs you’ll know that they usually just like building/replacing broken shit rather than doing repair work and maintenance on old shit-if they can afford it. I’ll bet anything that they’re only planning on using their current destroyers for about 5-7 years each, pawning them off to some smaller shithole like Thailand or Pakistan when they get worn out, then building new ones. Probably good for shipyard business too. Russians, however, do not have anywhere near the industry to maintain their current fleet let alone a load of pseudo-disposable Chinese destroyers. Also it’d be pretty fricking embarrassing to admit that their navy has to buy stock from China. I know I’d be embarrassed. Every major power worth a damn, even the upper-middle powers like South Korea and Canada, builds its own ships. It’s a hallmark of having an economy and defense industry that’s not complete garbage.
So far the ships they've built for those countries have been brand new, not second hand. I doubt Thailand would accept a busted frigate since the last time China offered 4 new Type 054s, the Thais just went with just ONE custom South Korean frigate instead.
...are you seriously trying to claim the Chinese are so rich that they can afford throwing away slightly used warships and just building new ones at like 3 times faster a replacement rate as the yanks?
Jesus. I sure hope that ain't true.
>building
Only thing they're building is badly-made scale models. Reminder that they don't even have a shipyard capable of building anything bigger than the 4k-ton Gorshkovs anymore.
>the Russian navy knows how to do nothing with their garbage rustbuckets; except sink
FTFY
Tbf, not just the crews fault, but the leaderships. They received readiness report that showed like three quarters of her weapons were out of action, half her engines were emergency-use only due to being like 30k+ workhours beyond replacement date, 5/6th of her onboard firefighting equipment was missing etc. And decided that yes, this is satisfactory and she can be sent into combat like that.
>Jesus. I sure hope that ain't true.
I’m judging this “disposable Chinese ship doctrine” on the fact that China possesses the world’s largest shipbuilding industry by a huge margin at this point and can churn out frigates and DDs with the speed and intensity of Warhammer orcs. I don’t like the CCP, Xi Jinping, and I’m not a communist or authoritarian, but it’s an objective fact that China can crank out both civilian ships and warships at a rate that leaves just about everybody except maybe South Korea in the dust.
Maybe I’m wrong though. the Chinese will inevitably have to slow down production and try to find some sort of peak number of naval forces to maintain and stop building so many so quickly. Then it’s a question of whether they bother maintaining their already-enormous fleet of Destroyers/frigates/cruisers or just scrapping them and building new replacements.
This has crossed my mind before actually. Sure they can shit out as many ships as they want if they but if they expand naval personnel accordingly and stuff their ships full of inexperienced crewmen and newly minted officers that's gonna seriously degrade the PLAN's actual performance vs its paper performance.
To add onto this There’s also the fact that building new ships instead of bothering with serious maintenance would, by some metrics, stimulate their economy in the same way the CCP builds all those empty apartment blocks to stimulate it already. It’d keep their shipyards in business and always working on new shit.
There's a wee bit of a difference between "just" having the biggest shipbuilding industry in the world, and being able to afford replacing your whole navy once a decade.
One is worrying, the other is GAME OVER, MAN! levels of industrial overmatch comapred to everybody else.
That's exactly why their expansion is something that's happening over the course of several decades, I'd guess.
>That's exactly why their expansion is something that's happening over the course of several decades, I'd guess.
Such a simple yet low in booming statement.
They'll learn what every pre-eminent naval power has learned - its a huge up-front cost in investment and a massive bill in maintenance, and if you're not the single pre-eminent naval power on Planet Earth then there's no point to investing at all, because your navy will immediately be sunk by the USN at the opening move of any conflict and all of your investment will be for naught when it could have gone into infrastructure, training troops, or building bunkers in the hills.
If it ever becomes an issue that the Chinese Navy were seriously threatening American Hegemony over the world's waters you could expect all global trade in or out of China to be locked down overnight. This investment in a navy is purely a result of the delusion that any nation is going to be allowed to project power other than the US, at this point, because China sovereign and Da West Can't Stop Us, or something. Even a casual glance at the strength of the U.S' ability to project power would tell you that its a dangerous delusion at best.
>and if you're not the single pre-eminent naval power on Planet Earth then there's no point to investing at all, because your navy will immediately be sunk by the USN at the opening move of any conflict
This is outright false long before you hit outright parity.
>If it ever becomes an issue that the Chinese Navy were seriously threatening American Hegemony over the world's waters you could expect all global trade in or out of China to be locked down overnight.
Yes, because making essentially the entire globe their enemy overnight would be an absolute masterstroke on the US' part, I'm sure.
>This investment in a navy is purely a result of the delusion that any nation is going to be allowed to project power other than the US
>looks at China projecting power across the Pacific, Indian Ocean and across Africa right now
>looks at various secondary powers projecting power globally right now
Yeah, uh, you're the one who is just straight up delusional now.
bingo. china would be blockaded by the time it built half the vessels it needed, and every shipyard and every ship in the nation would be shelled endlessly until there was nothing left. full broadside.
it's one thing to say you can and will build it, it's another thing to say nobody can stop you from building it. few can say that, and china isn't one of them.
I think the current generation of ships that are being built, the Type 052 destroyers and Type 055 cruisers, are intended to be in service for a very long time, but I think this is defo true of many of the previous generations of ships and many of their frigates, they won't be kept in service because they were built in large part to stimulate the ship-building and R&D industries until they could build large numbers of relatively advanced and modern vessels. The Chinese to some extent state this openly, they have said that Type 052's will replace older ships in their inventories.
>three quarters of her weapons were out of action, half her engines were emergency-use only due to being like 30k+ workhours beyond replacement date, 5/6th of her onboard firefighting equipment was missing
The real baffling question is, how the frick was the Moskva in such a state just a year after a major maintenance?
>I’ll bet anything that they’re only planning on using their current destroyers for about 5-7 years each, pawning them off to some smaller shithole like Thailand or Pakistan when they get worn out, then building new ones.
Not really, not only do Changs sell them the same brand new ships they use, you could also head over to Chinese Shipyards in Dalian & Shanghai with your own plans and go "hey build me this hull to this specifications."
Which is what Algeria did.
>using destroyers for 5-7 years
That makes 0 sense modern naval ships are incredibly expensive to build
Most destroyers get used for at least 20 years
Carriers like 40-50 years
>Every major power worth a damn, even the upper-middle powers like South Korea and Canada, builds its own ships.
Actually kind of funny, I think Germany of all places has launched higher tonnage ships than the Russian federation.
Russia sold military equipment to china they are too proud to buy from them
Russia had to buy drones from fricking Iran of all places because their domestic drone production is complete garbage.
>People's Liberation Army Navy
PLAN is a better acronym than PLN.
I am betting all of these are funded or backed by american government or american companies just so us tax payer money goes into weapon companies
>just so us tax payer money
I wouldn't worry where your taxpayer money goes to you ESL turd world shitter.
The US navy's army has an airforce.
but they don't call it that
Maybe they should
Army as in "Armed Forces".
This is just a case of one language translating poorly into another language. Chinese doesn't have a separate word for different branches of the military, "army" is just the general term for any large military command. A more accurate translation of how it sounds to a Chinese speaker would be something like "People's Liberation Armed Forces' Seagoing Force." The Chinese word that is used for Navy is just a portmanteu of the words for ocean and military.
Weren't all of Russia's ships made in Ukrainian shipyards?
This reminds me of how Kaiser Wilhelm would design warships for the Kriegsmarine in the middle of WWII.
so how many will they actually make? 0.5?
Don't they also have a chip shortage? Are they able to source enough small factor microchips to make a modern naval ship? Or will it be chock full of 70's-80's shit they take off their old ships?
Chips is fine. Russia now of making BMP-1 in factory with no chips instead of BMP-3 with many chip, BMP-1 more rugged and have less failure than -3 due to no western chips to fail.
Come to think of it, this whole war has basically been a Reformer's fantasy.
That could be the most dangerous thing about it .
this homie be living Steel Battalion Heavy Armor as if it's real life.
More sinking?
I don’t think even the chinks would be this fricking incompetent. And if they were, the entire crew would probably earn an instant one-way ticket to a Xinjiang gulag.
>Keep /k/oping homosexuals but the Russian navy knows how to do more with less.
That's because you keep losing ships
A shame really, because the soviets could at least take stuff to the prototype stage; all the cool jets, those ridiculous ekranoplans etc... now all we get is pictures of models every couple of months, or some repurposed bullshit from alibaba.
>those ridiculous ekranoplans
The fact that the world never got to see an entire fleet of Caspian Sea Monsters is a tragedy
In a couple of years, russia will buy chinese, and they will be happy
>Russian USC
It's just some modelmaking club that people are mistaking for an official Russkie military thing at the moment, right?
At this point Russia is going to have the world's largest fleet of model ships
Very nice
>whats that Mr Tuggy?
>zee russian botes are broken down
>we will salvage them for their delicious plastic!
>toot tooot!
>full steam ahead for Bathtopia!
New Russian amphibious assault ship model
They probably copied everything they could on the Mistral before the contract was scrapped.
And of course it only exists as a mockup 😀
I seems too small.
> ship for ants
vaguely resembles something the bongs ran in the 50's and 60's
bong navy being forever ahead of its time
Arrested landings on carriers was a British design transferred to the USS humungo carriers, so yeah.
US basically got free money through debt, free RND from both wars from all of Europe, and basically stole all their intelligent people too through brain drain as they fled war.
The world wars and vast untapped resources caused the US hegemony.
I remember when I played Hearts of Iron 2 years ago and managed to conquer most of Eurasia as Poland but then had trouble going against any other remaining major power since I had nearly no naval tech and building a real fleet would take years. I ended up gearing the bulk of Eurasian industry and manpower into building hundreds of basic b***h destroyers and then just bum rushing the British and US fleets. The destroyers died en masse but they'd get into punching distance and get the job done eventually.
meant for
>amphibious assault ship
>6 helicopters
exactly what are 6 helicopters going to contribute to an opposed landing?
ships like that exist solely for bullying poor people. an opposed landing against a competent military will require like 10 carriers with their full complements supported by land-based long range strike aircraft like the f111 or strategic bombers with precision munitions for air support.
for a START.
and then you'd need thousands of landing craft and hundreds of troopships.
this idea that anyone is going to be doing amphibious assaults that require actual dedicated equipment is laughable. if you're bullying poor people just bomb their soviet-era anti-air with $6,000,000 missiles and then land on their runways.
if you're doing amphibious assaults against a competent enemy then fuhgeddaboutit.
australia is doing the exact same moronic shit but at least their "helicopter docks" have disaster response utility so they're not a TOTAL waste.
Putin: Sergej, I design new amphibious assault ship, it carry 5000 men from Moscow Skretensky Boulveard to Odessa Port in 17 minutes
Sergej: nice model comrade
Putin: model!?
Betting is now open on the following
When will it sink?
Will it even be made?
Will it be made with bubble gum and scotch tape by a raging alcoholic like everything else Russia makes?
how the fricking are the ruskies(who have little experience) going to build a more advanced ship than all of NATO for less money? the economy makes no sense, where are they pulling this technology out of? their entire fleet is aging soviet dogshit, where have they deployed and tested this magic new technology
They should probably work on improving their defenses against missiles and drones before building any more big targets.
What is this, an amphibious assault ship for ants?
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What's so amphibious about it? Looks like a helicopter carrier to me.
I feel that I don’t want the Russian balsawood models to disappear from the world. I wonder how much it would cost to buy a highly detailed model of a pre-dreadnaught in heavy seas?
Great!
Can't wait to see it sink into the black sea !
I really want to see an all-out balls to the wall steam across the Pacific of most Chinese fleet so large, flanked all around by missle and air defense boats, that the US is forced to reactivate their entire mothball fleet. I want 4k naval footage.
Desu, have you even seen what Chinese fleet looks like?
miss old good days...
What ship is that?
Looks like the Roma. All Italian ships have that red and white barber pole deck marking for identification from the air.
So a Mistral clone, as expected.
Good to know that even in their darkest hour russians have time for their hobbies.