New ruger 5.7 carbine. Looks like the round has a real future at this point

New ruger 5.7 carbine

Looks like the round has a real future at this point

  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Didn't the ar57 come out in like 2010?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I bet it was expensive when it launched. PSA is selling an AR upper in 5.7 at a lower price point, that should help out with getting some people interested in 5.7.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It was an upper and it was 800ish.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          They're on sale right now for just over $600

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        On special today for $699

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It was an upper and it was 800ish.

        They're on sale right now for just over $600

        On special today for $699

        Link?
        I don't see it on the site

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          nvm, found it
          https://palmettostatearmory.com/panzer-ar57-ult-upper-assembly-5-7x28mm-16-ult-0116.html

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Pretty sure the AR57 was dooky. This is a proper gun built around it rather than trying to shoehorn the round and weird P90 magazine into a gun that was absolutely not made to accept it like a mad scientist playing God with Eugene Stoner's perfect creation.

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      what a pair of twats

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Giving it an LPVO is a bit much. I hope it's a 1-4x at least.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    for what purpose

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      No offense to you for what I'm about to say btw.

      Cause fuck you. That's it's purpose

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >not lol9mm
      >light as fuck
      >takes ruger 57 mags
      >ambi flipabble non reciprocated charging handle
      >comes with flip up buis and a very nice folding stock
      >57 which is better than lol9 in a carbine

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >still performs worse than 5.56 out of 10-12,5 barrel

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Woah

          A smaller round than 556 performs worse?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            While being more expensive and shot out of a gun the same size.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            If it performs worse in a carbine configuration than 5.56 does, why not use 5.56? It's WAY cheaper, has better ammo variety, performs better, and you can actually find it on a store shelf.
            Besides weight/space savings I don't see the benefit, and when you can already carry so much 5.56, the ability to carry any more is mostly redundant.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Recoil

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Since when does 5.56 have enough recoil to justify all of those disadvantages? Are you plinking in space or something?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Damn sweety u dumb as fuck

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Elaborate moron gay.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Recoil is not the limiting factor here. Cartridge dimensions are. You can't fit 5.56x45mm into a pistol grip like you can 5.7x28mm.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The only thing I can think of is for the LARPers who imagine they need a handgun and a rifle and that taking the same magazine is a more important feature than usability for either

                It weighs 5lbs

                5

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Cost/Benefit

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What are some folding stock ar’s that weigh 5lbs and have 0 recoil

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Available cheap ammo

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                This is a hobby for people who are not poor

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's simple economics, one gets you more range time for the same amount of money.
                >not for poors
                That's why those AR57 uppers sold like hotcakes right? And this Ruger isn't a budget option right?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The AR57 was a weird motherfucker that gave you most of the disadvantages of the AR platform while limiting customization and forcing you to use P90 mags. It failed because the PS90 was easier to rice out.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                But then you could share mags with your drop leg P90 and it's the same ammo as your chest rig FN5.7
                >not for poors
                Absolute shit cope. I'm all for new rounds, I love seeing .45 gap boxes on the shelf.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If 5.7 falls below 60cpr I will embrace it and get a FiveseveN and that carbine. It looks really nice. But I can afford to shoot someone 4 times with 9mm for the cost of 1 5.7 currently so it just isnt worth it YET.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Online prices are getting there but locally I pay 50-55/cpr for 5.7. It has always been drastically cheaper locally but I can never get it in bulk.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Online I see it around .75-85 for bulk. I burn though easily 500 rounds a month for my intermediate and handgun calibers. When it becomes economical myself and many of my friends will gladly hop on board the 5.7 train, I think the round has a lot of potential and offers something different than 9mm, .22, and .357 I shoot in handguns and pcc’s. I also like how it bridges the gap between handguns and rifles, it’s like a modern .30 carbine. Its velocity, flat trajectory, excellent expansion in HP and penetration in other loads let’s it cover most of my bases before you gotta step up to 5.56/7.62x39 or full-size rifle rounds like 7.62x51/54r, 7.5 Swiss, ect. Something like the ruger carbine (if reliable) or ps90 shit on a shotgun for close ranges for ease of use. I really hope the round comes down in price like I keep hearing.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                so does the SP1 carbine, and it's not shooting a retarded cartridge.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No folding stock try again

                Also lol shooting 556 out of a 5lb rifle

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Also lol shooting 556 out of a 5lb rifle
                Are you trying to say that would have too much recoil? You need to get your test levels checked if that’s what you mean

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                lmao wot, no it don't. go weigh yours if you even have one (you don't) its 6lbs all day every day lmao

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                not the 20" SP1 rifle, the 16" SP1 carbine you dipshit.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What are some folding stock ar’s that weigh 5lbs and have 0 recoil

                No folding stock try again

                Also lol shooting 556 out of a 5lb rifle

                >5 lb rifle
                >weighs 5.9 pounds
                Did you children forget how to fucking round?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No it weighs 5.9lbs. So 6+ loaded
                https://ruger.com/products/lcCarbine/specSheets/19300.html
                It’s not hard to get a sub 6lb AR

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Marvelous that 80 years later the M1 Carbine is still basically the lightest subcaliber carbine/pcc that exists. Especially when its shooting a hot .357MAG style cartridge.
                How we're still putting out >6lb pccs in 2022 is beyond me.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >How we're still putting out >6lb pccs in 2022 is beyond me.
                M1 carbine doesn't have a monolithic picatinny rail.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Instead it has a thick wooden stock and milled solid steel receiver.
                Far heavier than plastic and aluminum.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                5.56 is baby tier recoil anyways. But a direct blowback 5.7 isn’t going to be that much less

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The only thing I can think of is for the LARPers who imagine they need a handgun and a rifle and that taking the same magazine is a more important feature than usability for either

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                As opposed to the LARPers who believe they'll be in a situation where those usability differences will actually matter?

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Maybe because there's significantly less wasted powder being ejected in the form of flash and EEEEEEEEE.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Besides weight/space savings I don't see the benefit
              Isn't that most of the point of 5.7? "Here's its purpose, I don't understand this cartridge."
              People can enjoy different things for fun. There doesn't need to be a point if the product sells more than enough to cover costs. It isn't like a military is adopting it over something else. Would you complain about Kel-Tec releasing something too?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >It isn't like a military is adopting it over something else.
                Actually this sudden spurt of 5.7x28 funs was directly caused by NATO adopting it as an official standard.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The point of 5.7 wasn't space or weight savings, it was to penetrate body armors that would stop traditional pistol calibers while maintaining the same form factor. This thing weighs 5.9 pounds dry and is very similar in size to an AR, so it's really not playing to 5.7's strengths. When the "pistol" version drops 3 months from now it'll probably be legitimately pretty neat, but as it stands it's got all of the disadvantages of 5.7 without any of the boons, on top of looking like an off brand hi-point carbine.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I feel like 5.7 with the right load would make an excellent varmint cartridge, it’s close to .22 hornet. .223 is overpowered and unnecessarily loud for a bunch of applications.

                I feel like the LC carbine might make a nice varmint rifle if it’s reasonably precise. Unlike the PC carbine the LC doesn’t appear to be a takedown, which probably helps.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I feel like 5.7 with the right load would make an excellent varmint cartridge,
                Yes and no. Performance wise, yes it’s fine. But you aren’t spaced constrained on varmint hunts. I don’t care if I have a full length rifle because I’m not going through buildings. I’m sitting in a spot for awhile so weight isn’t an issue. Depending on the varmint, you might be shooting a lot (like for prairie dogs) and 5.7 ammo is way too expensive for that. A .17 is plenty with its effective range of 125ish yards. Further than that you want centerfire and more magnification. Why would I have 12x or higher scope on a 5.7 carbine shooting weaker, more expensive ammo when I can buy a cheap .223 bolt action that does the job better. Or an AR that’s also semi auto?

                I biased from prairie dog hunting but I think most of this applies to other varmints.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >space or weight
                >pistol calibers
                And the reason we use pistol calibers in the first place is?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Because pistol calibers let you build guns that are physically very small and light. This gun is not that. It's just as big and heavy as a traditional rifle and fulfills a similar role. It does not use the dimmensions or characteristics of 5.7 to it's advantage and is significantly worse off for it.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >5.56
              >better ammo selection
              5.7 has subsonics that cycle, and it's quieter. I imagine one could brain suburbia deer more reliably with it over .22lr subs

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            While being more expensive. And using a 16” barrel so you aren’t saving length. So what’s the point?

            Fun is a perfectly valid reason but performance is not

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            if its performs worse why make a huge gun to shoot it out of?
            the point of 5.7 is to run it in small packages like p90s or mp7's

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Um. 5.7mm is larger than 5.56mm

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              5.7x28 loadings are anywhere from ~25-60 grains

              5.56x45 loadings are anywhere from ~35-85 grains (though there are some outliers beyond that at like 120 grains)

              Further, 5.56 has a bullet diameter of 5.7mm and a land diameter of 5.56mm
              5.7x28 has a bullet diameter of 5.7mm and a land diameter of 5.53

              So they are similar, but the 5.56 is almost always larger on average.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >implying that actually matters for most situations

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Fun

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      why have an AR pistol that wastes most of the power as muzzleflash when you can have virtually the same balistics and barrel length but a titrated amount of powder?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I don't think the target really cares.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >you can have virtually the same balistics and barrel length
        Because you don’t have anywhere near the same ballistics with the same barrel length

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Pretty cool tbh. A 5.7 bolt action that takes fiveseven mags would also be neat, really nice for small game and varminting

      Shooting 5.56 out of short barrels is pretty retarded if you think about it. Obviously if you need to do it for ammo logistics reasons then it can't be helped but if you have a round than can perform similarly with much less flash and blast in the supply chain then its an obvious choice.

      If 5.7 carbines are widely adopted could it slowly kill the 5.56 in military applications?
      >Carbines, smgs and pistols in 5.7
      >LMGs and DMRs in 7.62 or 6.8 memeround

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I am seeing a logical error here in one domain:
        5.7 and 5.56 preform similarly in short barrels.

        >Thus a long barreled 5.7 could replace a long barreled 5.56.
        Thats nonsense. The 5.7 will replace 9mm in time. And I like the round, simple as. But not 5.56.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Obviously 5.7 isn't going to match the performance of 5.56 out of a longer barrel, what I'm saying is that if 5.7 carbines and pistols become common and 5.56 is relegated to longer barrel rifles, and 7.62 or 6.8 is in use for DMRs and LMGs, why not issue a few more rifles in 7.62 or 6.8 and drop 5.56 entirely, and simplify down to only two calibers.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Fair point.
            We might return to the era of the submachine gun after all. WW2 arms protocols coming home at last.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Not just small arms. The prevalence of drones, mortars, and man portable missiles means for most cases an armored car or APC/IFV isn't any less survivable than an MBT - they all shrug off 7.62 and get slagged by Javelins.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >WW2 arms protocols coming home at last.
              What would this look like with modern loadouts? Two AR10/M5/M14 DMRs, some P90s, and a 6.8/7.62 SAW?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So basically an SG team minus the alien DEW toys kek.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Have you ever had fun in your life? like fucking ever?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      fun
      centerfire varminting

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I just think it's neat

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      To get fudds to buy 5.7 so production goes up, price goes down, and I can actually afford to run my PS90. This whole thing is an industry wide conspiracy by P90 chads to win the long game against the injustice of HK's NATO PDW hissy fit.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        If it ends in the death of federal gun control and the ability to use real P90s with real SS190/SS198 it'll be worth it.

        t. buying a Ruger 57 next paycheck

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        whats your light and optic?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          holosun green circle dot in a dr machinery low mount and an arisaka 300

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        A conspiracy I can enjoy.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      because its fun? People do own guns because theyre fun you know

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The no-fun crowd dont understand fun, news at 11

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      All new gun designs are good. Even if they're finnicky as fuck and jam constantly, new shit is ALWAYS a net good for this hobby. I don't even care about 5.7 but as other anons said, fuck you that's what purpose

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Not blowing out your eardrums while still getting SCHV bonuses.
      Being a better target shooter than a .22LR carbine on the range.

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ammo is still expensive

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Only because retards keep saying that. Multiple companies have shit out 57 products and it doesn’t look like it’s stopping

      How about just don’t be poor and realize we won’t have cheap ammo ever again

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Less for more huh? You should be a salesman.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It will be as long as FN is being dumb about it.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      PSA is working on putting out their own cartridges by the end of the year, mark my words it's happening. Maybe not in the timetable but it IS happening. Also it's still cheaper than .300blk by a lot. I don't know why dorks keep parroting this shit, it's down to 65¢/rnd and we were all paying that for fucking 9mm like a year ago.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >I don't know why dorks keep parroting this shit, it's down to 65¢/rnd
        That’s nearly double steel cased .223. You can get brass for 37-38cpr. Why should I take 1 round of 5.7 for 1.75 rounds of .223? I can get .308 for that price. Shit I can reload for .308 with high quality bullets for not much more than $0.65 and that’s with ridiculous primer costs right now. It’s not a cost efficient round and doesn’t perform up to the price.
        >we were all paying that for fucking 9mm like a year ago.
        Which was a one time thing. It’s down to 0.25-0.30.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That is actually pretty cool. Keltec should have planned this with a brace/stock option in mind from the beginning.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They were hyper-focused on getting the thing out the door and letting aftermarket handle the brace setups. a year later I'm expecting some sort of V2.0 with a pic rail instead of just a GD sling slot

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They did plan it with a stock. They make a wire stock that plugs into the QD socket on the bottom of the grip.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They were hyper-focused on getting the thing out the door and letting aftermarket handle the brace setups. a year later I'm expecting some sort of V2.0 with a pic rail instead of just a GD sling slot

        they did plan a stock with it, it just sucks compared to installing a pic interface on the back and using something else.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I feel retarded, does this gun in your image exist? Also that gun in .300 blk with an 8 in suppressor could be an American VSS "close enough" gun. Maybe throw some pic related furniture in it for peak larp.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          that pic is a shop but you can get very close if that is what you mean.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kel-Tec_PLR-16

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/fV7Qvyw.jpg

        I feel retarded, does this gun in your image exist? Also that gun in .300 blk with an 8 in suppressor could be an American VSS "close enough" gun. Maybe throw some pic related furniture in it for peak larp.

        Seconded. Is this completely custom, or can I buy this somewhere?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's custom but u can diy. The vss handguard is a real can, those og aluminum free float tubes and a 3d printed angle piece. The stock is partially 3d printed. Sidecharging upper and bobs ur uncle.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Brace
      Make it longer, make it a proper stock and slap a VFG on there, and you have my interest. Now we just need a proper F/A conversion and we can alll have budget schizo spaaaace SMGs.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/PZZFrdj.jpg

      That is actually pretty cool. Keltec should have planned this with a brace/stock option in mind from the beginning.

      Controversial opinion, but I think the kel tec is actually superior without a stock or brace. It should be run with a single point sling using the SAS MP5K press out method for stability. Less added bulk and any collapsing or folding stock that size is going to suck big time anyway. Just going to be shitty, wobbly, and have annoyingly short length of pull. If there wasn't so much mystique surrounding SBRs in the US, I think this would be the most popular configuration.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        > It should be run with a single point sling using the SAS MP5K press out method for stability.
        literally a cope for having no other support. it doesn't offer any stability, and everyone with a brain would choose to use a stock when they have the option.
        >Less added bulk and any collapsing or folding stock that size is going to suck big time anyway.
        there is literally nothing wrong with an AR buffer tube mounted to a properly designed folding hinge.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Have you tried the press-out method? It does a pretty good job in stabilizing slow fire and tempers your hands against the recoil considerably. Obviously inferior to a stock, but certainly better than trying to shoot with two points of contact.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >the poor90

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      How much, and how expensive will ammo be?

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Mag insert and barrel for pc carbine when?

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Just get 5.56 at that point..

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      what this guy said. the whole point of 5.7 atleast for me, is that it's the equivalent of 5.56 in pistol ammo, making it useful to cc while still having enough power to kill non plate armor on traffic stops, might as well just have a sbr instead of a carbine

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >the whole point of 5.7 atleast for me, is that it's the equivalent of 5.56 in pistol ammo
        When will this lie end?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >the whole point of 5.7 atleast for me, is that it's the equivalent of 5.56 in pistol ammo,
        It’s not close to 5.56 and not remotely close from a pistol

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This would make a handy little varmint rifle, tbh. I would totally use this with a suppressor for pest control on my farm. I've been using a MK-18 for the purpose and it works fine but this is a little bit lower key.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I don't know how fast it'd be out of a carbine, but how much of a difference does a suppressor make with high velocity rounds?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >but how much of a difference does a suppressor make with high velocity rounds?
        It depends on where you're located relative to the gun.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        A suppressor makes an enormous difference. The supersonic crack is loud, but the muzzle report is significantly louder. My 10.3" AR with no can will absolutely destroy your ears. With a can it's like shooting a 22lr unsuppressed. Not something you should do but it doesn't instantaneously cause LOTS of damage.

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Holy baste!

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    1. looks like the leak was true
    2. it's literally just a Ruger 5-7 with more rails, more barrel, and a stock

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    why settle for 20 rounds when you can slap a folding brace on a P50 and have 150% more ammo and occupy half the stow space...

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because if you want capacity and compactness the p90 exists

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The entire point of this is to share magazines with your pistol. Carry a Ruger 5.7 on one hip, extra mags on the other, LC Carbine sits in your backpack or on a sling or in a saddle holster or whatever. The ammo sharing loadout has been popular since black powder wheelgun-levergun combos in the 1870s.

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The real moment when this round will become a thing is when a glock in 5.7 comes out.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      But the best full size pistol platform already is chambered in it, Anon.

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How did they manage to make it so fucking ugly?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I just fucking hate it so much. There is easily an inch of slop between the top and bottom of that handguard and the barrel. Fucking why? Bring the barrel down an inch. Lower the height of the whole fucking thing. I want a god damn needle. Not a squareAR that fires 5.7.
      >SquARe 57

      And the stock looks like fucking ass, like they just bolted on any old uninspired AR stock with a cheap door hinge and called it good. I had such high hopes...I own a ruger 57 and could have had a nice carbine that shares mags to go along with it. But no. I only get the squarefat of longinus.

      Maybe. Just maybe this can be cleaned up with aftermarket but at that price point I might as well either go full PS90 or Keltec for peace cyberpunk aesthetics.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Speaking of this
        Here. I fixed it.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous
      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Its using an UZI style bolt according to the website.
        That explains the increased height.

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This will be cool, but only if it comes in an sbr variant. Something with a 9 inch barrel that weighs under 5 pounds and a folding stock. I will buy one for home defense for my lady. Cost per round isn’t really an issue because I won’t be mag dumping it at the range every week larping. It’ll be for emergency situations only. Would be pretty neat to take on camping trips as well. Hopefully they get some larger capacity magazines on the market.

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'd rather they make a Ruger PCC in 10mm

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I know, right? Dammit Ruger, give us a 10mm pc carbine.

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How would this stack up to CMMG's 5.7 offering?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Depends on whether you want FiveSeven or Ruger 5.7 magazine compatibility.

      This should fold smaller by default and be a little cheaper.

      You can always jump up to CMMG Dissent for $2000 with a 6.5" barrel. Wish they sold just the upper, I don't need another lower.

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If they sell a braced pistol version and come out with big 30-40rd stick mags for it then it'd be pretty nifty.
    With a 16" barrel though I don't get what advantage this would have over an AR.

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >5.9 lbs with polymer/aluminum construction
    >the M1 carbine managed to hit just 5.2 lbs unloaded and was made out of wood and steel
    >Winchester 1892 with a 16" barrel weighs only 4.8 lbs, was made out of wood and steel, and reproductions taking advantage of modern metallurgy can chamber .357 and .44 magnum
    Why can't a company design a new lightweight carbine around being lightweight rather than something heavy with a focus on capacity and putting rounds down range quickly?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because midwit gays think that Ar's are gods gift to man and cannot be surpassed by even modern technologies, and surprise surprise they constitute the lions share of the market

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >so asspained about the AR they see it everywhere they look
        >even when staring at a blowback PCC that shares zero commonality with an AR
        rent free, gay

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Did you not read the post that was in reply to?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Railz n shit, heavier barrel, stronger chamber for higher pressure round, etc. all contribute to mass. The M16A1 was a 7lb rifle. You put a modern high pressure magnum into an original Winchester 1892 and it'll explode when you pull the trigger.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Why would you use an 1892 rifle? 1895's were designed for rifle rounds

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It was also significantly heavier than the 1892.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Of course it was. I think you're missing the point, though. There's absolutely nothing preventing them from making lighter weight arms other than that they probably wouldn't sell

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >You put a modern high pressure magnum into an original Winchester 1892 and it'll explode when you pull the trigger.
        Reproductions that take advantage of modern metallurgy like the Rossi M92 manage to keep the original weight while being chambered in .357 magnum and .44 magnum.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Rails.
      But also the M1 was for guys who were going to be rucking around doing logistics shit in the backline but still needed something that was easier to aim than a handgun. It needed to be as light as possible and could be as basic as possible since it was the military in the 40s and you only got glass if you were sniping.

      Rails necessitate more weight because no one bakes in iron sites anymore and the gun is slated for the consumer market. As well, no one is really expecting buyers to ruck this over a mountain while carrying crates of ammo or rations. It's going to be a range toy or maybe a home defense weapon, in which case it just needs to be handy enough that it's easy to retrieve and short enough it doesn't smack into all your doorways.

  19. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    what's the advtange of pistol caliber carbines? I guess for 9mm its cheap ammo, but why would you go 57 or 556 and use a rifle round that has more velocity?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      *57 over 556

  20. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Who even buys all these meme guns?
    How is the firearm industry profitable when they shit out questionable designs all the time?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah why sell anything that isn't a 12.5 or 16 inch AR or a G19

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      People who think it’s cool or fun. There’s nothing wrong with that. There’s also no good performance based reason to get this

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Most people just buy stuff that's cool instead of thinking about only efficiency like some kind of robot

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Some of us have jobs that aren't Amazon tier anon. You ever see an oil field workers gun collection? Single guys in their 20s making 120k and nothing to do but buy random guns and cars to show off with the other single something guys at the wellsite.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        NTA but I've seen the "collections " of the type of guys you're talking about. They're full of BCA side chargers and semi-auto turk shotguns.

  21. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I think they missed the entire point of the cartridge. 5.7 was made so that you could get armor-penetration in a subcompact sized weapon.
    there is literally zero point to making a large carbine for it, they should've done an mp7 knockoff or something, not this nu-fudd shit

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If it's like Ruger's 9mm/.40 carbine they'll have a """pistol charger""" version with an """arm brace""" in less than six months. They just started with a carbine for legal reasons. Fuck the NFA.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That's more interesting to me for sure.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          For reference:
          https://ruger.com/products/pcCharger/models.html

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Still ugly as sin but I can imagine what this thing would end up looking like. I can probably mock it up in Paint actually. Hang on for about 90000 hours.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              For reference:
              https://ruger.com/products/pcCharger/models.html

              only 89,000 hours in paint. Here's the charger version.

  22. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Weight 5.9 lb.
    Ah for fucks sake, the only reason to buy a 5.7 gun is to make it lightweight and they fucked it up. You can get 5.56 ARs that weigh less than that.

  23. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This would have been awesome if it was in the CP33 form factor, it would have been an instant buy for me. I would use the CP33 for duty use if it used a centerfire cartridge w/ a normal magazine. The barrel on this Ruger is too long, I know they're avoiding brace shit but still. I appreciate more PCC being mag fed. I hate all the stupid 9mm AR/AK derivative PCCs. If you are making something compact with a pistol caliber, the least you can do is make it grip-fed, it only make sense.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The "pistol" version is an inevitability.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'll cuck to nfa and pay the tax if they make a lighter 8"-10" barrel one.

      It's 6lb now, realistically I'd want gun under 4 lbs in 5.7. Like the keltec p50 abortion is 3.5lbs

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'll cuck to nfa and pay the tax if they make a lighter 8"-10" barrel one.

      It's 6lb now, realistically I'd want gun under 4 lbs in 5.7. Like the keltec p50 abortion is 3.5lbs

      CMMG Dissent is 4.6" pounds, 14.7" long, 6.5" barrel

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        its also two thousand fucking dollars

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        God I hate how everyone keeps making meme larp guns in 5.7

        6.5" barrel, might as well get a 5" handgun then

        Picrel is currently the least retarded 5.7 gun, not counting historical designs like p90
        >8" barrel
        >3lbs
        Sadly it's ugly as sin and uses fn pistol mags that don't go in the pistol grip.
        Cmmg has the same format but their mags are better despite making a weird heavy pistol thing.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The problem is that everyone really just wants a P90 but NFA/GCA/Hughes forbid it so we get whatever's cheapest to play pretend, or a two stamp PS90.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            P90 is great cqb gun if it has a fun switch and taxpayers footing your ammo bill.

            What I'd rather have is a lightweight hiking carbine. Basically centerfire .17hmr. But market is being saturated with vidya larp

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              What's the difference between the Ruger carbine and a "hiking carbine" except switching out the furniture?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                6lbs 2oz is what my light AR build came out with a light and a lpvo. Meaning the base gun is lighter than the ruger 5.7 thing.

                Hiking guns I consider things like riced out 10/22s that come out to 3-3.5 lbs. 5.7 would be a massive upgrade to .22lr, even if the ammo weighs more.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >5.9lbs empty with no optic
                Gee I wonder what the issue might be

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >one opportunity to make an smg chambered in 5.7
          >could clone an mp7 and make it take FN 57 mags
          >could just clone a p90 and undercut FN by hundreds of dollars
          >choose to make your gun a fucking stribog instead

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah basically everyone trying to reinvent the wheel, when I'd be happy with a non FN priced p90 clone or a mp7 format pistol.

            Like the keltec thing, could you not flip the action so we don't have to fold it open like a shitty lawn chair to replace the mag. It was so close to being good.
            Literally just flip the fucking upper. In fact I think the current design was more complicated than just doing it right.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      if they made one of these in 5.7 it'd be a pretty nice little backpack gun

  24. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I just want a civie MP7 in 5.7

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Tommybuilttactical is making some and he expects them to be out next year for around $3k
      https://www.instagram.com/p/CgWygpxF_vh/

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/eBq2IiS.jpg

        I just want a civie MP7 in 5.7

        But they're going to be in 4.6x30

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >3k
        What the fuck is his problem, and his clones usually don't even work correctly when they come out either.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          When you're the king of a cornered market and no one is giving alternatives it come with the territory.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Anon if HK made mp7s available they would cost 7k and be sold out for years to gay boomers, 3k isnt that bad - its also what an sp5 costs

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >3k isnt that bad - its also what an sp5 costs
            Which is also overpriced. You’re paying for the name

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              why do you care what other people do with their money?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Where did I say I care? I’m simply saying that $3k for a semi auto MP5 is overpriced

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Small scale plastic working is very expensive.
          Tommybuilt does really quite complex work for his low volume of production. Its gonna cost a lot.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why someone (keltec) hasn't made one in .17wsm (4.6x30ish, but for 35-40¢ a round) is beyond me

  25. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    V I B E

  26. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Wait.. is it just cheap blowback action? Probably sucks suppressed

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      P90 is simple blowback and it's supposed to run fine suppressed

  27. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >6 lb. carbine in with .22 bore
    >what is AR15

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This is an obvious NFA stalking horse for the short version. Then it becomes
      >good ballistics out of an 8" barrel in 5.7
      vs.
      >shit ballistics out of a 10" barrel in 5.56

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Shit 5.56 ballistics is the functional equivalent of good 5.7 ballistics, so I'd call it a wash.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Shitty 5.56 ballistics still beats 5.7

  28. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I dig it.

  29. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    GLOCK 5.7 WHEN
    GIMME IT GASTON
    GIMME IT NOW

  30. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  31. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    in case you guys thought it was weak :^)

  32. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    god i wanna put a rakurs on that

  33. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Looks like Ruger is trying to get the drop on Norlite before these kits start getting imported

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I remain skeptical of the effectiveness of 5.7 but credit where credit is due this seems pretty slick. Though I might be grading on a curve based on how crude and clunky anything relatively tacticool in the world of ruger is like the archangel stock for the mini or the PC charger but this time around they seem to be borrowing from the MCX with the general structure of the handguard plus you get the adjustment and folding with the stock unlike with

      https://i.imgur.com/Jwm5MJG.jpg

      [...]

      only 89,000 hours in paint. Here's the charger version.

      that's coming down the pipe for sure, too easy with having a pic rail in the rear from the get-go so easy to swap from a brace setup to a stock for anyone who pays for a cuck stamp

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Norlite will have a B&T compatible folding stock option, too.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's literally just a longer barreled Ruger 57 pistol with mountpoints for toys.

  34. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    5.7x28 was officially adopted by NATO in March 2021.
    So of course, it has a future. It has mass adoption now.

  35. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >ammo still costs more than twice as much as 9mm
    nah.

  36. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    For all those 5.7 naysayers out there...
    S
    4
    M

    The Charger version when it comes out will be the truly relevant LC Carbine.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Or just get the CMMG 8" barrel like I did

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Hope you got some S4M for it friend.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >out of stock
      >$80 for 25 rounds
      >still gets outperformed by basic 55gr FMJ
      The NFA ruins what the 5.7 has going for it. $3 a round for gucci ammo ruins the rest. You can buy .50 BMG for lower cost per round.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Not out of extremely short barrels... Like handguns and "handguns".

        >68gr xtreme defenders
        These aren't very good at penetrating IIIa. You're better off with TUI 115gr if you want reliable IIIa pen.

        The 68gr XD rounds are objectively better at wounding flesh and they're a great barrier blind round. They just do not reliably pen IIIa.

        The behind armor effect of those are anemic compared to S4M.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          S4M is just hotter SS198 right? Ive thought about upping the charges on it myself.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yea, 2400fps out of a handgun and close to 3k out of "handguns". The moly coat is part of the magic too.

            When you are getting 14ish inches of ballistic gel (behind armor even) penetration with a tumbling asshole bullet that also scatters frag all over the place across the entire wound channel? You are rolling deep. Out of all the vids I have seen of ammo for non meme handguns (magnum calibers), it is the most brutal I have seen. Yea yea you can get 9mm ammo that will defeat soft armor, but the actual terminal ballistics compared to S4M are trash.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Not out of extremely short barrels... Like handguns and "handguns
          Please show me where it outperforms .223 with equal barrel lengths and bullet weight. It can’t and was never meant to

  37. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Would have preferred they come out with a .45 carbine first. They already have the PC Carbine in 9mm and .40. just give me the fucking .45 already.

  38. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >civilian meme gun#3
    Real future guys!

  39. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I WANT IT

  40. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There’s no point in waiting to say this, give me a lightened akm in 5.7. I’d even buy one from PSA. Makes more sense than 9mm. It’s pr the future.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Imagine if suppressors get dereg'd.
      >10" barrel
      >6" integral suppressor
      >real side folder
      Run it with a red dot and 50-60 round mags and it'd be perfect.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Hells yeah, that’s what I’m talking about. I’ve not joined the suppressor gang but I have two stamps. I hope the AFT gets destroyed in court and Texas wins their case. That would open up every intra-state suppressor company overnight.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Something like picrel would be a good base.
          >35rd mag
          >5.7 has 20rd in a pistol instead of 17
          >20 ÷ 17 × 35 = 41 so just make it a bit longer (42rd 9mm equiv) and go 50rd
          >blowback AK PCC is the easiest thing in the world to keep running
          Short of a fully uncucked P90 it'd be the perfect 5.7 PDW.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I wanted one of these so bad until I found out it had no out of battery safety and out of battery discharges were a common problem with the firearm.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              out of battery discharges are common with all the PCCs because the atf are a bunch of fags and consider the sear on the cz scorpion and everything else a machinegun if they have it so they had to take it off on the american ones. the kp9 has an out of battery safety on the bolt i think but there are still reports of out of battery discharges with it. also if u use aluminum ammo with a direct blowback pcc it can blow the case apart so some of the reports on them are because of that

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              so far I've heard that this was from people bump firing with shitty ammo. I have an AKV and it's alright for what it is. It's tough enough to keep going even if it OOBD. Not so with the gen 1 scorp. It shouldn't have been 1000 bucks though, the market is what it is. I've even bumped mine with no issues with wolf, which is apparently better than win white box that I've heard of OOBD before.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It would all come down to making it take p90 mags from the bottom like a Bizon.

  41. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    5.7 loses to 9mm as a pistol round and to 5.56 as a long gun round

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      S4M has something to say about that.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Well to 9mm at least.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        See

        >out of stock
        >$80 for 25 rounds
        >still gets outperformed by basic 55gr FMJ
        The NFA ruins what the 5.7 has going for it. $3 a round for gucci ammo ruins the rest. You can buy .50 BMG for lower cost per round.

        If you want to beat IIIA armor 9mm can do that with 68gr xtreme defenders and is $1.25 per round not over $3 per round. You can also buy the bullets and load your own for even less.

        I’ll admit that 5.7 is usually better than 9mm in pure performance but there isn’t anything that it can do that 9mm can’t also do. Certainly not to justify the cost. Not to mention you only have 3 pistol options.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >68gr xtreme defenders
          These aren't very good at penetrating IIIa. You're better off with TUI 115gr if you want reliable IIIa pen.

          The 68gr XD rounds are objectively better at wounding flesh and they're a great barrier blind round. They just do not reliably pen IIIa.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >These aren't very good at penetrating IIIa. You're better off with TUI 115gr if you want reliable IIIa pen.
            I disagree

            Even a G26 can with those. I like the 68gr XDs because they “should” beat IIIA and are also pretty good against flesh. Lose a little to JHPs but I can live with that

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      And excels in applications that are between long gun and pistol. That's the whole point of it.
      5.7pdw is more effective than a 9mm smg

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >And excels in applications that are between long gun and pistol.
        What are those applications? Hard mode, no giggle switch allowed.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Inawoods gun you will carry all day.
          >longer range than a pistol
          >lighter weight than a rifle
          inb4 rifle is only couple of lbs heavier
          you try getting pounded for few hours and then tell me how you feel

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The PS90 is 6.28lbs. This Ruger is 5.9lbs. It’s not hard to find a 6lb rifle. A Glock 34 with a dot and flux brace is a better compromise hiking gun

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >PS90 is 6.28lbs. This Ruger is 5.9lbs
              Yeah these are LARP guns, I do in fact own a sub 6lb AR-15.
              However,
              p50 is 3.2lbs
              diamondback 5.7 carbine is 3lb
              It can be done, I'm just waiting on first non-retarded design, hopefully in pistol like mp7 format.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >PS90
                >larp gun
                yeah mhm 50 rounds of 5.7 going 2800fps with ss198 real larping

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It’s 2500, not 2800

                If the 16” barrel length gives you 300 fps more (which it probably does) than compare against an equal length AR shooting 27gr. The ps90 weighs more with worse ballistics for more money.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                yeah im not saying 5.7's better than 5.56, energy alone is pretty different but its much better than 9mm/45acp.

                Yea, 2400fps out of a handgun and close to 3k out of "handguns". The moly coat is part of the magic too.

                When you are getting 14ish inches of ballistic gel (behind armor even) penetration with a tumbling asshole bullet that also scatters frag all over the place across the entire wound channel? You are rolling deep. Out of all the vids I have seen of ammo for non meme handguns (magnum calibers), it is the most brutal I have seen. Yea yea you can get 9mm ammo that will defeat soft armor, but the actual terminal ballistics compared to S4M are trash.

                God thats hot, i need to make my own.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Did you watch the linked video friend?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                i did, buffmans videos are always nice

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >tfw no P90 gf

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >yeah im not saying 5.7's better than 5.56,
                Yet you were responding to posts talking about how you can get lighter 5.56 rifles with better performance for less money

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                thats not me anon, theres 2 of us. Im definetly a 5.7 shill, but im no madman. 5.7 was designed to replaced 9mm luger not a intermediate rifle round, even if it was designed to be a smaller look a like of 5.56

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >5.7 was designed to replaced 9mm luger not a intermediate rifle round
                Ironically the one place that transition was showed accurately in media was on Stargate SG-1. Early on in the series the SG-1 team used 9mm MP5s, but then they replaced them with P90s after realizing most of their enemies wore armor.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                smart move

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous
              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Got it. My bad, thought you were the same. In a non NFA world I’d be sucking 5.7 dick. As we currently sit I don’t see the point expect for fun. Fun is perfectly valid but performance wise it lacks

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I think its fine in semi, its recoil is light enough to get rapid shots off with decent placement.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's not the full auto, it's the barrel length and suppressors. 5.7 really, really wants to be run SBR with a can if it's anything larger than a service pistol.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Where the hell is the light switch situated? On the trigger? Under her trigger hand palm?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                it's a thumb button

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >It can be done, I'm just waiting on first non-retarded design, hopefully in pistol like mp7 format.
                Fair point. I’m not against the concept if done right. My point was our current options aren’t the way to do it. I’ll be waiting with you for a non-retarded format

  42. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Might as well just get an AR-15 at that point. All you're doing with the 5.7 is putting the magazine in the pistol grip instead of in front of it.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >All you're doing is reducing AOL by 6" without reducing barrel length
      Pistol grip mag location is the sweet middle ground between standard and bullpup rifles.
      If, with telescoped ammunition, we can get a warfighting intermediate rifle cartridge to fit into a pistol grip it's damn near the perfect solution.
      Reload familiarity. Monopod capability in a pinch. 6" shorter AOL. Completely standard trigger, no sponginess.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's going to be used with coilguns, like the EMG-2 with battery and magwell locations swapped.
        >magwell in pistol grip
        >no case, ammo is 100% boolet, so you can fit rifle length
        >"rifle magwell" holds battery (swapped less often than magazines)
        >stock is a giant capacitor and some furniture

  43. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Cheapest 5.7mm is $0.68 CPR
    >Cheapest 5.56mm is $0.36 CPR

    Meanwhile, .22TCM is just as good as 5.7mm and it's $0.39 CPR.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      22tcm sounds like cool round

  44. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Well it's an NATO round now, so no fucking shit it has a future.

  45. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >new
    >non-bullpup

    Shut up grandpa.

  46. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I am not saying 5.7 is better than 556. But for an armor penetrating handgun...Less sure on things like 6.5 inch barrel "handguns".

  47. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nato did adopt 5.7 into stanag. So a select fire version could be sold to nato military forces.

  48. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >tfw we will see 5.7 rival 9mm's popularity in our lifetime

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      if 5.7 ever hits 9mm prices, id become a hoarder

  49. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >trigger safety on a fucking carbine

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ruger took the term "pistol caliber carbine" literally so they used a pistol frame for the lower.

  50. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This has potential, but so did the 5.7 Johnson in the 1960s that never became popular.
    Of course back then M1 Carbines and surplus ammo were much cheaper than the 5.7 variant.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >This has potential, but so did the 5.7 Johnson in the 1960s that never became popular.
      5.7x28 is a NATO standard now.

  51. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Looks like the round has a real future at this point
    Too bad it's been eclipsed in every way.

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