New German defence minister

https://www.dw.com/en/boris-pistorius-to-become-germanys-new-defense-minister-reports/a-64418604

Currently minister of interior of Lower Saxony.
Served in '80-'81, but otherwise has no military experience. On the other hand, he successfully undertook a police reform in his state and is quite popular there.

  1. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Germbros, opinion?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Not good but probably still better than the last two.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      He's a nobody but not an immediately obvious lemon like the previous one. The problem is sleepy Scholz and his complete inability to actually lead the country. Also our military is completely fucked and would probably need a clean slate reorganization anyway, so it's not like he's gonna be very consequential either way

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >sleepy Scholz
        spotted the Kremlin's pet vatmoron assigned to us today

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Wenn du die Führung von Scholz angemessen findest, bring dich bitte um

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          read it again, more the opposite

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Talks like a vatmoron, is a vatmoron.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Decent choice. Realist, capable of structural reform and experienced political leader. Centrist and popular with subordinates.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >Decent choice. Realist, capable of structural reform and experienced political leader. Centrist and popular with subordinates.
        Yeah, honestly this is probably more important than "military experience" and DEFINITELY more important than GERMAN "military" experience, since the as

        He's a nobody but not an immediately obvious lemon like the previous one. The problem is sleepy Scholz and his complete inability to actually lead the country. Also our military is completely fucked and would probably need a clean slate reorganization anyway, so it's not like he's gonna be very consequential either way

        says
        >Also our military is completely fucked and would probably need a clean slate reorganization anyway
        so I think military is an active negative here unless it was with foreign forces who are actually competent. Clean slate won't happen but deep reform is needed, so having some political muscle, experience dealing with entrenched organizations, not having any really obvious "oh he's an extremist" stuff and a solid team who support him is all good for the job he needs to do.

        Though make no mistake odds are heavily, heavily stacked against him (or anyone really, but while he has his strengths Scholz isn't really ideal PM for this either). I wish him luck though, and it's an improvement. Also frankly the simple fact he's coming in post-war is helpful, previous ones had to pivot when they hadn't run on it at all. He knows what the need is going in this time.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          > DEFINITELY more important than GERMAN "military" experience
          Ehh not really. Cold War Bundeswehr was one of, if not the best militaries in Europe, and he did his service there. The problems only came after reunification and peace dividend. Perun actually explains it pretty well

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Don't expect much change

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >rightoids are seething because he wanted to ban the AfD
      >leftoids are seething because he wanted to ban the antifa

      He is a middle of the road centrist but solid political worker. As minister of interior of Lower saxony he at least command over 30k people which gives him more competance in my eyes than lambrecht who just led the highly specialiced ministry of justice bevor she became defense minister.
      It is kind of funny that he used to bang Gerhard Schröders ex-wife until the war happened

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >Decent choice. Realist, capable of structural reform and experienced political leader. Centrist and popular with subordinates.
        Yeah, honestly this is probably more important than "military experience" and DEFINITELY more important than GERMAN "military" experience, since the as [...] says
        >Also our military is completely fucked and would probably need a clean slate reorganization anyway
        so I think military is an active negative here unless it was with foreign forces who are actually competent. Clean slate won't happen but deep reform is needed, so having some political muscle, experience dealing with entrenched organizations, not having any really obvious "oh he's an extremist" stuff and a solid team who support him is all good for the job he needs to do.

        Though make no mistake odds are heavily, heavily stacked against him (or anyone really, but while he has his strengths Scholz isn't really ideal PM for this either). I wish him luck though, and it's an improvement. Also frankly the simple fact he's coming in post-war is helpful, previous ones had to pivot when they hadn't run on it at all. He knows what the need is going in this time.

        When he took office as MI in NDS, he fired 2/3 of second line leadership because they didn’t support his political vision. Combine that with him being outspoken hawkish as in

        The sanctions thing was 4 years ago. He has since become hardline about russia to the point where he said 'Russia must lose this war no matter the cost' a few months ago

        The invasion has made a lot of actual moderates and appeasers turn anti-rus. Has made the green party (bizarrely our most militaristic party right now) the most popular it has ever been

        In his first speech he already said that Germany is a party in this war, albeit indirectly.
        That’s the most hawkish political parlance possible short of declaring outright war to the vatniks. I expect a major shift in policy.

        we will likely see a massive shift in DoD policy, especially internally. Which tbqh is his job.
        Naming him as MD also signifies a probable shift in Germanys political stance towards the conflict.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Kek. Nice spin him getting rid of almost everybody high up without SPD membership means he is about his political vision and not about giving post to his party rank and file. You should think about working for some advertising agency.
          >he is hawkish
          He has clueless about international politics and military affairs. He is just somebody, who will put his sail wherever the wind blows.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >rightoids are seething because he wanted to ban the AfD
        >leftoids are seething because he wanted to ban the antifa
        Sounds deeply based to me.
        Anyone know more about his police reform? I heard it went well and a thorough reform is something the Bundeswehr needs

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Some structural reform with regards to budgeting, integrating a type of Keizen into the police force, relieving some administrative burden from the regular cops and putting a bigger emphasis on what can be described as online policing.
          He also introduced the requirement that every policeman has to be individually indentifiable at all times and the establishment of an independent and centralized complaints office. It’s no longer buddies investigating buddies.
          Police in NDS are no longer competing for best performance in terms of pumping statistical indicators.
          The guy is working in several international institutions like the political committee working with EUROPOL and NATO-PA.
          He also tried to integrate internal and external security, because in his view the two are to interconnected to be handled separately.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Sounds good tbh.
            >integrating a type of Keizen
            God knows bundeswehr could use a culture of change.
            >every policeman has to be individually indentifiable at all times and the establishment of an independent and centralized complaints office
            Not afraid to push reforms against internal resistance.
            I'm also really liking that he's not a quota hire, neither for gender nor for region of origin (yes that's common in germany). They could have gone with a pick of least resistance, from the higher echelons of the party, but they chose him for some reason. Hopefully a good one.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >buying the PR nonsense that never truly materialized
            Okay newbie everybody, who has been in this game knows exactly, how new minister of defense are advertised. And every PR move they did in all of their past lives is taken as serious, but I can tell even if you will hear a lot about „change“ „changemanagment“ „accountability“ „structural reform“ next to nothing will change for the better. The guy is barley qualified and they only thing he has going for him is not having screwed up things to badly up until now.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Not German but I happen to hate Germans: being a leftist from said heap, it’s guaranteed he is as retarded as possible and will continue to be so, and that even “good things” he does will be simply smoke screens which by design evaporate even under light scrutiny, existing only enough to pass himself as having maybe done something productive when under the lens himself, since in reality he is just is a worse than useless leftist fifth columnist.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >he is as retarded as possible and will continue to be so
        >even “good things” he does will be simply smoke screens
        >he is just is a worse than useless leftist fifth columnist
        Elaborate, with details. Let us all read up on where (You) got this information from. It's pretty important that we get educated on him immediately, so don't delay. Post his complete bio, according to (You), with citations.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          you know for a fact that he will not post anything with his little dark hands kek

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        rent free 🙂

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >being a leftist from said heap
        The Greens are literally the most hawkish party in Germany

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >Not German but I happen to hate Germans
        Kek, what a pathetic loser.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Hating germans is natural and healthy. Seethe more kraut scum

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            meds now schizo

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            You sucking dick is natrual and healthy

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        > social democrat
        > retard

        yup, checks out

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      He is the simple minded bureaucrat type. If there is an issue with something he tries to prohibit the thing altogether. He is known for his often rather ridicules proposals by which he gains media attention. He is also known for insignificant small actions and actionism/publicity stunts for the same reason. This and him basically doing what the people below him are telling him, while not falling too badly are probably the reason they chose him. I think they don’t believe him to be capable enough to change much for the better, but at least he might get the medias attention away from the trouble with his PR stunts and by placating the troop in order for them to keep quiet about all the issues. Because her disharmony with the troops was a mayor issue with Lambrecht.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Can't really be worse than what we had before. I guess only time will tell if he's competent or not. At least he's done his compulsory military service back then so maybe that's a plus.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      One of his dreams is anyone has to login with their passport and use their real names to use the internet.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      career bureaucrat and politician. No real military experience or expertise. Has been gunning for a job in the federal government for years now he got it. Disappointing that even during a real crisis they still pick the party loyalist who "deserves" the promotion instead of someone who will be immediately effective and knows what he's doing.
      But in his previous roles he has at least shown himself to be a mostly competent administrator so he's most likely going to be better than the last defense minister but I wouldn't expect anything big from him either

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >gunning for a job in the federal government for years
        That’s probably the key factor. Most are probably not to keen to jump on the hot seat that is the position as minster of defense. They needed someone quickly.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Kek. Nice spin him getting rid of almost everybody high up without SPD membership means he is about his political vision and not about giving post to his party rank and file. You should think about working for some advertising agency.
        >he is hawkish
        He has clueless about international politics and military affairs. He is just somebody, who will put his sail wherever the wind blows.

        He is member of the NATO-PA, he should have a decent idea of what’s going on.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >NATO-PA
          That’s mostly women gossiping while being served coffee, tea or dinner.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      This guy wanted to introduce a law that would have required everyone online to make posts with their real name attached to it.
      SPD can't be trusted, they are currently trying to ban semi autos in Germany.
      The reactions from Bundeswehr guys seems to be
      >Huh didn't expect that. I guess it can't be worse than it is right now
      The last defense minister that was somewhat popular with troops was AKK but she only had the position for a very short time.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        What exact does all of that have to do with being able to lead the MoD?

        >buying the PR nonsense that never truly materialized
        Okay newbie everybody, who has been in this game knows exactly, how new minister of defense are advertised. And every PR move they did in all of their past lives is taken as serious, but I can tell even if you will hear a lot about „change“ „changemanagment“ „accountability“ „structural reform“ next to nothing will change for the better. The guy is barley qualified and they only thing he has going for him is not having screwed up things to badly up until now.

        The question was what he did to police in NDS, and that are the changes implemented. You may not like any of them, for whatever reason. I would really be interested to know who you think would be best qualified and why.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >What exact does all of that have to do with being able to lead the MoD?
          ministers don't internally lead a ministry.
          mandarins do.

          >I would really be interested to know who you think would be best qualified and why.
          a technocrat like promote the most senior mandarin.
          that would be Benedikt Zimmer who's a OF-8.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            As you say, he is a senior technocrat. If you want to force institutional change, that’s not the person you promote.
            The guy has also been responsible for procurement, which is under fire for quite some time. The only reason he might not get axed right away is because he is the most experienced of the undersecretaries.
            The balancing act of replacing the upper echelons without breaking the institution is complicated. The interesting part will be the reshuffle at Abteilungsleiter level. Eventually Zimmer will be retired, too. Might take a year or two.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >mandarin
            Speak english you fucking retarded gay

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              >In modern English, mandarin is also used to refer to any (though usually a senior) civil servant
              Kys

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >I would really be interested to know who you think would be best qualified and why
          Terminator Lady
          Unfortunately she was never an option because it had to be SPD

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Falkenomi would have been a decent choice. But as you said, wrong party.

            As you say, he is a senior technocrat. If you want to force institutional change, that’s not the person you promote.
            The guy has also been responsible for procurement, which is under fire for quite some time. The only reason he might not get axed right away is because he is the most experienced of the undersecretaries.
            The balancing act of replacing the upper echelons without breaking the institution is complicated. The interesting part will be the reshuffle at Abteilungsleiter level. Eventually Zimmer will be retired, too. Might take a year or two.

            I also don’t think Moeller will lose her job right away. Sudhof and Hitschler will most likely be sacrificed to the gods of publicity.

            I would like to see whether Zorn will be replaced and by who.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              I don't think a mandarin like Sudhof will be sacked. Their job titles are literally permanent State Secretaries.

              Möller and Hitschler are politicians and fair game, but also not that likely.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              >Falkenomi
              Who?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Marie-Agnes Strack-Zimmermann

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Oh. I thought this anon

                https://i.imgur.com/K5oPQev.gif

                not sure hes qualified hes not a women with a double double name. it needs to something proper like Marie-Agnes Strack-Zimmermann.

                but im getting the real people opinion at my Stammtisch where i will get a detailed Boomer analysis why this is good or bad and why tits the greens fault anyway.

                [...]
                that sound kinda good.

                made the name up to make fun of AKK

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          As it stands little can be done. Kujat and Schuwirth are decent options. Both because they are competent commanders, are excepted to the point they could somewhat move things, they understand the true nature of the BW before all the silly reforms and they would know who to ask, if they don’t know.
          In reality even they couldn’t do much. Germany needs a gun culture. Less politicization of the military, less women, less cozy chair general staff, start ups in the defense industry, engineers and technicians being completely integrated into the troops and choosing their own gear, experimenting with small amounts of foreign equipment. Less cyber nonsense etc. getting rid of pencil pushers. Big defense cooperations would need to be split up in order to have some competition again. Cheap energy for production, which would mean coal plants or Russian gas there is no third option. Old doctrines would need to be thrown out. But we all know that‘s not going to happen and everything is going to continue to go down hill. But for now the press will probably celebrate him for another six to ten months.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Both are too old and known lobbyists.

            https://i.imgur.com/k2gcEtF.jpg

            I don't think a mandarin like Sudhof will be sacked. Their job titles are literally permanent State Secretaries.

            Möller and Hitschler are politicians and fair game, but also not that likely.

            Being a member of the administration does not mean you will not be retired early when political leadership changes.
            Same goes for Abteilungsleiter level of the ministry. Political leadership usually does not fuck with Referatsleiter, but that’s about it.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              political leadership didn't really change. Scholz is still in charge.

              it's comparable to Guttenberg where only one undersecretary was changed.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Of course not. The DM does not set political guidelines or formulate national defense strategy. His job is to make the institution do what it is supposed to do. And especially under the former DM, that didn’t happen.
                What the new guy will hopefully achieve is structural reform in procurement and maintenance/service.
                Mid to long term, force structure also has issues to be resolved, but that’s not as pressing.

                The situation is substantially different from the time KTZG took office as this is not a routine minister rotation after elections.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                KTZG was retired early due to being a cheater.
                de Maizière didn't change much.

                this situation is comparable. wouldn't expect major changes.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                I expect Zorn to be retired, possibly replaced by Gebhartz.
                There are too many pressing issues to not shake up the organization. So further changes are to be expected. The first three months will be very interesting.
                I really wonder if he can produce plausible solutions for the issues with BAAINBW and HIL.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                We can hope but those pressing issues aren't new: the war is almost a year old now.
                Nor is Pistorius a reformer.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              >muh lobbyism
              You can say that about everybody competent going in. Because there is always some connection for every A.D. once his level was high enough. If anything that disqualifies Pistorius, since he is known to do everything in the interests of the SPD as discussed in this thread. My two choices would be people, who are clearly proud and patriotic enough to do their best.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                If you hold a position in the national arms industry or within the major lobby institution for said industry, you do not qualify for the job of minister. It’s part of the political deal.

                Where exactly did the discussion conclude that everything he does first and foremost serves party interests?

                >usually does not change head of units
                They to quite often change them, but some are usually left untouched and the same goes for the heads of departments. The technical stuff is more stable and the same goes for the analyst.

                Usually Referatsleiter are already too deeply involved in the technical aspects and are subject matter experts. Replacing them only makes sense of you are fundamentally changing direction in certain aspects.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >we have to stick to the things that have failed all the time
                Yup that’s why it’s going to fail again

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Mandarins can't order weapons themselves, how's it their fault?

                Government is still blaming the arms industry for not increasing the capacity for free but waiting for actual orders. SPD does not understand capitalism.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Implementing changes that promote institutionalized corruption is not a very sound political decision.

                Mandarins can't order weapons themselves, how's it their fault?

                Government is still blaming the arms industry for not increasing the capacity for free but waiting for actual orders. SPD does not understand capitalism.

                The issue is always fiscal. The money has to come from somewhere and until now, there is no political consensus on where it should come from. Also you are correct that the DM cannot just spend money as he pleases. Every order over 50m needs separate approval from parliament. There are also massive institutional hurdles when it comes to smaller expenditures. That would be a good place to start reform, as it speeds up a lot of processes and frees up admin staff to work on other issues. The problem does not lie with the party but is rather of organizational and legal character.

                Overall most anons don’t seem to understand how the bureaucracy is organized and what the political decisionmaking process looks like.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                German media disagrees:
                https://archive.is/ZS650

                Bundeswehr just got an extra 100 billion Euros.
                Yet Bundeswehr is now in a worse place than a year ago, because they gave stuff to Ukraine without ordering any replacement.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                You do understand that there is a spending plan and every large order has to pass parliament? It’s not like the have a bag of money they can spend all within one fiscal year.
                One major point of criticism the former DM was facing was that she didn’t come up with a proper plan what to order when and didn’t send requests to parliament.
                To solve the overall issues of the military, spending basically has to double. And where that money should come from is a matter of debate. Because it is a big chunk of money and Germany is facing a pension crisis in the foreseeable future. This years budget for example is actually smaller as a share of GDP than last years budget. There is also a law in place that prohibits most types of debt financed budget expansion.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Those 100 billion Euros extra are special funds and not restricted by the debt limit.
                The money is there to spend.

                The ministry, especially BAAINBw, being too retarded to spend the special funds and not sending requests to the parliament is not a fiscal problem.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, but it is to be stretched over 3 years and still needs parliamentary approval for every expenditure over 50m. It can also just be used for acquisitions.
                The general budget increase is a huge fiscal problem because of Schuldenbremse and Boomers not having enough children.

                BAAINBw being retarded and tied down with all types of needles admin work is indeed one of the major challenges that need to be addressed asap.
                As stated before, the last DM lost her job because she didn’t do anything in her year in office.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              >usually does not change head of units
              They to quite often change them, but some are usually left untouched and the same goes for the heads of departments. The technical stuff is more stable and the same goes for the analyst.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >Germany needs a gun culture
            Considering Germany has one of the most active gun cultures in Europe that kinda takes away all credibility in your post.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              >germany has a gun culture
              You are objectively wrong. There is a strong sentiments against guns especially in the cities. There are massive bureaucratic procedures involved with owning guns. The types allowed are very limited and offer next to no synergy with military training.
              The gun laws are amongst the strictest world wide.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                The red tape in Germany is bad and the latest gun control laws which banned 30rd mags certainly was garbage. But if you have the money for a hunting license, you lose a lot of the bureaucratic bs. Granted, it's like 3k upfront and you have to learn a metric ton of bullshit to pass, but after that you're pretty much golden.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                That's wrong. German gun culture goes back centuries. Yeah most people are anti gun but that's true for most countries and doesn't contradict the fact that hunting and sport shooting have a long tradition here.
                >The gun laws are amongst the strictest world wide
                Ehh I'm not to sure about that. You can own Semi Autos in big calibers like AR-15s as well as handguns, something you can't do in any anglo country except the US with many other European countries (Netherlands, Spain, Portugal, Norway) having worse gun laws overall.
                I understand the irony in me saying that since politicians right now try to push for further gun control, but as it stands right now it's definitely not one of the worst countries to be a gun owner in.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >Germany has a gun culture reaching back centuries
                More correct it had. You were allowed to own guns as a man/male citizen without any permission or other bureaucratic hurdles. Which isn’t the case today. The gun culture at this point is also mainly rural and old. Most of the population never touched a gun or would approve of a neighbor owning one. It simply isn’t there. Anglo countries are known for their strict rules not one of them is nearly as pro individual rights as the US. Hence the point still stands. Germany is clearly top twenty in terms of the strictest gun laws. And currently there is a big push for even stricter gun laws and there is noticeable public support behind it.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Stop talking about things you know nothing about. Guns are huge in germany. Did you fail the shrink test to get into a shooting club or why are you so delusional?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Forgot image

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Fug! Neeb du dry harbder.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >Germany is clearly top twenty in terms of the strictest gun laws
                The opposite is true.
                How new are you?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Anon, you have no idea what you're talking about and sound like a retarded urbanite with no friends.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Or maybe he's just American and thinks that just because the regulations are strict and most people will never hold a gun outside of the range/hunt/duty, then there is no gun culture at all.
                It's like saying there is no automotor culture in Germany just because the laws are stricter than the USA.

                https://i.imgur.com/mpBSJcS.jpg

                In theory, you'd be correct. However, the sorry state of the Bundeswehr has more than proven that it's a fallacy. The issue being that the government has massively decreased spending in the defense sector BECAUSE of the "lmao intervention" army doctrine.
                >no draft means no more fresh blood
                >had to massively lower standards just to get some people to sign up
                >barely gets enough money to not completely fall apart
                >Trannoid-mania and abolishment of culture means even less people signing up
                >want to shoot guns? Have a broomstick lol, we don't have enough ammo/guns/places to shoot
                >basically larp as boyscouts but with airsoft

                Meanwhile in civvie land
                >Bundeswehr is depicted as le ebil larping NADZEES
                >Government hopes that our Goldstücke (read moronfugees) sign up
                >said Goldstücke won't sign up because why would you when you can comfortably live off of gibs
                >Lena-Marie and Sören voted Green in the past, aka for the dismantling of the Bundeswehr before they got bloodthirsty for slav blood
                >Boomers voted for CDU/SPD, which wanted to have their black 0, aka no new debt/spending
                >absolutely nobody wants to enlist bar the most braindead idiots

                I'm perfectly aware of the practical problems with the armed forces, I just meant the problem is not doctrinal, it's political.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Nanomachines son.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        I was about to say he looks kinda familiar.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >WIR MACHEN HIER DIE MUTTER ALLER OMELETTE OLAF, WIESO AUF EIN PAAR ZERBROCHENE EIER ACHTEN
        >NANOMASCHINEN SÖHNCHEN

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      not sure hes qualified hes not a women with a double double name. it needs to something proper like Marie-Agnes Strack-Zimmermann.

      but im getting the real people opinion at my Stammtisch where i will get a detailed Boomer analysis why this is good or bad and why tits the greens fault anyway.

      Some structural reform with regards to budgeting, integrating a type of Keizen into the police force, relieving some administrative burden from the regular cops and putting a bigger emphasis on what can be described as online policing.
      He also introduced the requirement that every policeman has to be individually indentifiable at all times and the establishment of an independent and centralized complaints office. It’s no longer buddies investigating buddies.
      Police in NDS are no longer competing for best performance in terms of pumping statistical indicators.
      The guy is working in several international institutions like the political committee working with EUROPOL and NATO-PA.
      He also tried to integrate internal and external security, because in his view the two are to interconnected to be handled separately.

      that sound kinda good.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Wet rag that advocated caving to Moscow. Don't fear the politician asking how to finish a war, fear the politician asking how to 'end' one.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Looks like they finally took the choice seriously for once and tried to put somebody in there who is actually able and motivated to do shit.
      Hopefully he won't cuck up terribly but at least there's a chance now.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        To be fair there is only so much he can do in that position. He can neither increase defense spending nor give equipment to Ukraine. Those two things are handled by parliament and the defense council. He cannot change policy at large.
        What he can do is reforming the ministry itself and solve some organizational problems within the military.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      It's impossible to be worse than a woman.

  2. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    if he's still got dick and balls and isn't requred to cut them off to replace a female on the job it can't be that bad

  3. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >Currently minister of interior of Lower Saxony.
    what's with these communist influenced countries and having the dumbest titles

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >communist influnced
      Nah. This feudal shenanigans. Lower Saxony is the OG Saxony, but the dukes that ruled what came to be modern Saxony had "duke of Saxony" or something in their titles, so their new domain (formerly Slavic lands) came to be known as Saxony. So to make it distinct, the OG Saxony got named Lower Saxony. Because geographically it's lower.

      >can't appoint two competent people for the job because they're not women
      >can appoint this vatnik plant because..?

      Vatnik plant? Tell more

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >communist influnced
      Nah. This feudal shenanigans. Lower Saxony is the OG Saxony, but the dukes that ruled what came to be modern Saxony had "duke of Saxony" or something in their titles, so their new domain (formerly Slavic lands) came to be known as Saxony. So to make it distinct, the OG Saxony got named Lower Saxony. Because geographically it's lower.

      [...]
      Vatnik plant? Tell more

      Sachs Anhalt lol

  4. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Considering Saxony has been under massive vatnik assault for the past 5 years, what are his stances regarding the current thing?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >Currently minister of interior of Lower Saxony.
      what's with these communist influenced countries and having the dumbest titles

      lower saxony is part of west germany.
      pistorious in his interoir ministor role was your typical left wing minister. as in every possible disturbance comes from the right. he even called the "riots" on new years eve right wing, which were obviously mostly composed migrants.
      at least he served once which his predecessors didnt

  5. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >can't appoint two competent people for the job because they're not women
    >can appoint this vatnik plant because..?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >vatnik plant
      multiple credible citations required

      Germany itself would have to be even more retarded than vatnikstan to make a mistake of that magnitude. Smells like pure bullshit.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Germany OTOH has always been heavily infested with leftists who respawn promptly when culled. Only Prussia was admirable.

  6. 1 week ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous
    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      oy vey

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      For fuck sake Germany STOP

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/wLhbnqf.jpg

      https://www.dw.com/en/boris-pistorius-to-become-germanys-new-defense-minister-reports/a-64418604

      Currently minister of interior of Lower Saxony.
      Served in '80-'81, but otherwise has no military experience. On the other hand, he successfully undertook a police reform in his state and is quite popular there.

      Are Germans trying to be contrarians

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >communist influnced
      Nah. This feudal shenanigans. Lower Saxony is the OG Saxony, but the dukes that ruled what came to be modern Saxony had "duke of Saxony" or something in their titles, so their new domain (formerly Slavic lands) came to be known as Saxony. So to make it distinct, the OG Saxony got named Lower Saxony. Because geographically it's lower.

      [...]
      Vatnik plant? Tell more

      Oh.

      That's visegrad24, known to be full of shit hysterics. Is this serious?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Apparently he changed his mind so we should see

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Needs more citations and context. Sure sounds bad (2 out of 3) when presented in this format, but simple things (like the dates of these allegations) are missing. Would want to see his exact positions during the last 12 months. Before that could be irrelevant if his current positions are no longer aligned with them.

      I don't give a fuck who he dates. That's a distraction unless there is a direct line between that and some other problem.

      Given just his name "Boris," I already assumed he is the descendant Soviets abandoned in East Germany by the balkanization of the USSR. That would be an interesting detail to confirm one way or the other.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >I already assumed he is the descendant Soviets abandoned in East Germany

        He was born in 1960 in West Germany, and his parents were born in 1923 and 1933 respectively. His mother was a member of the SPD since 1970 and was a member of the state parliament of Lower Saxony from 1972-90.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Link to his words about sanctions?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        He did that in 2018 long before the war started
        https://www.kreiszeitung.de/lokales/niedersachsen/innenminister-boris-pistorius-fordert-ueberpruefung-russland-sanktionen-9902253.html

        Some more relevant stuff here:
        https://www.mi.niedersachsen.de/startseite/aktuelles/presseinformationen/pistorius-nach-angriff-russlands-auf-die-ukraine-ich-habe-unsere-behorden-angewiesen-sich-auf-alle-szenarien-vorzubereiten-208989.html
        >I am shocked and stunned by the dramatic developments and the brutal attacks on Ukraine by the forces commanded by Russian President Vladimir Putin

        https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/niedersachsen/hannover_weser-leinegebiet/Z-Symbol-Pistorius-kuendigt-Strafen-fuer-Krieg-Befuerworter-an,zsymbol100.html
        >"Z" symbol: Pistorius announces penalties for war supporters

        https://www.t-online.de/nachrichten/deutschland/innenpolitik/id_92282290/niedersachsen-innenminister-pistorius-wir-sollten-das-vermoegen-von-oligarchen-einziehen-.html
        >We should follow Canada's example and not only freeze the assets of oligarchs who are on the EU's sanctions list against Russia, but confiscate them and use them for humanitarian aid and the reconstruction of Ukraine.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Thanks, anon

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Danke für die Fakten

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Visegrad 24 are sensationalist apes, but the claims are true

        https://www.zeit.de/politik/deutschland/2018-05/boris-pistorius-spd-russland-sanktionen-ueberpruefung-schaden?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F
        In 2018 he argued that the sanctions should be revised because they were "counterproductive" according to him.

        Though this seems to be par for the course in Germany. Hopefully he's at least more competent

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      The sanctions thing was 4 years ago. He has since become hardline about russia to the point where he said 'Russia must lose this war no matter the cost' a few months ago

      The invasion has made a lot of actual moderates and appeasers turn anti-rus. Has made the green party (bizarrely our most militaristic party right now) the most popular it has ever been

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >'Russia must lose this war no matter the cost' a few months ago
        This would be a great quote to track down and highlight. Full context could make it powerful if he's still on board with that. Seems like there's someone he could team up with, if I could just put my finger on it ....

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          What's the qrd on this guy?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            He sharpens his teeth every morning while contemplating how to use the finest German engineering to turn vatmorons into protein paste. And he's pretty entertaining when giving military briefs. Lots of charts and props and exposition and such. Seems to REALLY enjoy his job with all the distilled autism that any good German has ever displayed.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Very capable german tank general that's climbing through the ranks pretty quickly. He sometimes explains military stuff on the official Bundeswehr youtube channel. The videos are subbed so you can check them out

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              Do we have any proof he's capable, other than his analyses generally being on point and him being smarter than all of his superiors put together?
              Because that last part feels like an incredibly low hurdle.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Yes

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                He graduated top of his class and got a prize for it, also was a company commander in SFOR and chief of staff for the PRT during ISAF. There hasn't been an actual war, so you can prove his competence about as well as for any other current NATO officer. Also, you seem to have skewed view of the german military in general. The soldiers aren't incompetent, the problem is entirely a political one

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                I don't have a low opinion on the Bundeswehr in general, I have a low opinion on their political leadership and their older officers (e.g. Zorn).

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                He is pulling a joke on you. The guy is certainly not exceptionally smart. Has next to no clue about the military except serving a couple of months many decades ago.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                NTA, anon is talking about General Freuding.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Your talking about the wrong guy

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            His job is to explain military strategy to german politicians. He is very passionate about mechanized warfare and enjoys drawing little charts and pictures that explain how to mulch mobiks most efficiently to the uninitiated.
            He makes it sound so fun that you want to shout
            >Auf erkannten Feind, Feuer frei!
            everytime he presents you with options.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Looks cool, so PrepHole fawns over him

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Clearly inspired by Peter Sellers.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Why the fuck isn't HE the defence minister again? This man could do beautifully horrifying things.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            You seem to have a very skewed impression of what the job of the DM is.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Tanks autists can’t be trusted

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            defense minister needs to be a civilian like it's custom in most Western countries.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >The sanctions thing was 4 years ago. He has since become hardline about russia to the point where he said 'Russia must lose this war no matter the cost' a few months ago
        >The invasion has made a lot of actual moderates and appeasers turn anti-rus. Has made the green party (bizarrely our most militaristic party right now) the most popular it has ever been
        This. People can change in response to major events, and rightfully so. While there was obvious personal german financial/business interests, fact is that a lot of reasonable people genuinely thought that economic ties would moderate Russian behavior. They bore no particular love for Russia but did consider it "rationally selfish", like yeah it was corrupt kleptocracy, but just as many mafias actually did care somewhat about maintaining a level of order and "understanding" with governments they thought Russian elite would be satisfied with their vast kingdom and keeping the money flowing for their yachts and luxuries.

        They were wrong. That many of them haven't doubled down on stupid and reoriented to reality is admirable, not bad.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      They're often right, but Visegrad 24 is notoriously anti-German.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >Visegrad24
      What are you gonna post next? Incel slava Z?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >Veysegrad 24

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >Visegrad24
      >h-he banged some retards ex wife you guuyyss
      I really do hope this retard gets paid by the Russians. Anything else would be very embarrassing

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >Was in a relationship with Gerhard Schroder's 4th ex-wife for years
      Was that BEFORE or AFTER she was his ex?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Aight, guess I'll simp for Poland now.

  7. 1 week ago
    Anonymous
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    Anonymous
    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >PUT THE LEOPARDS ON THE TRANSPORT, HANS! NO SUDDEN MOVEMENTS!

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous
  9. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    In his first speech he already said that Germany is a party in this war, albeit indirectly.
    That’s the most hawkish political parlance possible short of declaring outright war to the vatniks. I expect a major shift in policy.

  10. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >CAN'T MAKE AN OMELETTE WITHOUT CRACKING A FEW EGGS JACK

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      So I'm not the only one that sees some semblance to senator Armstrong

  11. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    bro got earlobes like buddha

  12. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    the first goal for the new minster of defence of germany is un fucking the burocratic hell scape
    his reforms of the police in his Bundeslander show that he can reform an institution that has rusted shut and stagnant. That he is willing to step on the toes of people and break some taboes to get a proper reform going.
    Germany will always try to keep russia sweat because they can't get over the war. But at least they now have a man that should be able to get shit done to unfuck the Heer's structure and burocrats

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      What are you even talking about he changed things minimally?
      His strategy 2020 is all the same old stuff with fancy new trend words as over paint.
      He is clearly not a reformer.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      The Heer already has a new target structure, that’s a given.
      What he really needs to do is to reform procurement and remodel HIL, maybe even getting rid of the entire thing and building a new service and maintenance model. Also a lot of bureaucratic leftovers from previous administrations have to be sent into early retirement or different ministries.
      There is also potential for reform in the general force model. But those are not the most pressing issues.

  13. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Isn't that the conservative who lost against Scholz?

  14. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >SPD
    he's another russian shill

  15. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Nice T62!

  16. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    what happened to his ears?

  17. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Folks who talk about how people change and such are missing the forest for the trees. Does Germany, a wealthy country of 80 million, not have competent people that they could elevate to such positions who HAVEN'T been making a career out of cozying up to Russia until the day before yesterday?

    This reminds me of the time early on in the invasion when Deutsche Welle kept inviting former or current Gazprom employees, presented as impartial experts, to comment on the events, and when people would bring it up in YouTube comments, Germans would always fight tooth and nail to defend the impartiality of the experts, saying that it doesn't matter whom they worked for, that they are professionals, that the burden of proof is on the other commenters to show that the Gazprom employees are biased, etc... why not simply invite experts without conflicts of interest?

    In my field of work it's perfectly ordinary to consider, try to avoid, and when it can't be avoided - openly state (in fact, it's a requirement) any possible conflicts of interests, yet Germans always treat bringing those up as a personal attack.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Are you really expecting some career-politician in the fucking SPD to have no connection to Russia?

      German media already was totally side-lined because the government broke their quota promise and didn't nominate a woman.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      (West) Germany has been completely taken over by East Germans. Reunification was a total mistake.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Most East-Germans have no love for Russians. They literally revolted against the Russian satellite state.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          And yet every German politician that cozies up to Russia turns out to have been a Young Communist.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Lies, there are no communists in the AfD

  18. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Doesn't matter because Germans are totally cucked to oblivion by the garden gnome. Thanks to their failure back in the 40s. They are the only nation worse off than the US in terms of controlling their government.

  19. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    those are some impressive lobes

  20. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I know it's a low bar but Pistorius is certainly more qualified then all 3 recent German ministers of defence together.
    Why? At least he served in German military . Enlisted, as military driver with the rank of Obergefreitet (private first class).
    His predesessors had been female career politicians with absolutely no military expirience.

  21. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    A lot of weird claims ITT on his anti-russian stance.
    Meanwhile in reality:
    > The German -Russian Friendship Group

    The Group was shut down in April '22 only and the info wiped from the Bundesrat website

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      How would you call a formalized parliamentary body dealing with Russia?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Zweite Wannseekonferenz

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          This time someone else has to come up with the plan for genocide. Even though we might have some expertise, we should encourage our allies to build their own capabilities. We could send advisers, though.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        The Barbarossa Foundation

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Die Einzatsgruppe

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >Einzatsgruppe
          You tried

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Getting ass pained about the "friendship" group is like claiming Norf Korea is democratic because the DPRK has republic in its name. It's surface level midwit shit.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >in the year 2000
      Yeah OK, this was literally a different world.
      Keeping it running especially after 2014 reeks of corruption, though.

      How would you call a formalized parliamentary body dealing with Russia?

      I'd say kall it Kontaktgruppe, becaseu holy fuck Deutsch-Russische Freundscahftsgruppe sounds like some WArsaw Pact communist Party thing.

      On the other hand, as stated above, this soudns completely different in 2000. Friendship is preferrable to hostility.
      Being trade partners is better than being enemies.

      Welp. Let's see if they decide to do teh right thing and send tanks. Jusging by statements in by various politicians today it sounds like tehy will say yes.
      Germany has a bunch of Leo2s that could be ready by march, but other csources stated it would be a year before tehy can be ready.
      But maybe that 1 year statement was for new tanks.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >Welp. Let's see if they decide to do teh right thing and send tanks
        Which tanks, anon?
        >BERLIN, Jan 15 (Reuters) - German armsmaker Rheinmetall (RHMG.DE) could deliver repaired Leopard 2 battle tanks to Ukraine in 2024 at the earliest and would need a confirmed order to begin repairs, its chief executive was quoted as saying by Bild newspaper on Sunday.

        Makes you wonder, what stopped them from starting the work a year ago.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Those are the tanks Rheinmetall has, not Bundeswehr.
          Rheinmetall is a public company and will not work for free. Someone has to pay them to repair tanks.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Rheinmetall has a number of Leo2s in different stages of readiness and repair, they'd essentially take the more suitable ones and fast-track them.

          >Makes you wonder, what stopped them from starting the work a year ago.
          Because the German governemnt is full of people who were afraid of escalation and being called nazi again, after being called nazi for any kind of reason you could ever come up with, for decade after decade..
          Or becasue they're literally fifth columnists paid by Moscow.
          Or they were just incompetent and/or lazy and decided to hide behind a plethora of regulations.

          We are already in a cinpletee political clown show where you have the liberals(think libertarians, USbros) and greens calling for rearmamenrt, after nearly 20 years of conservatives and socialists letting the armed forces rot.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Bullshit.
            First come, first served.

            The Leo2s being worked on a year ago are already destined for Easter-European Nato members that gave some old shitty T-72 to Ukraine. Germany gave them free Leo2s in return.
            In reality, Germany is arguably the second biggest supporter of Ukraine.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              >First come, first served.
              Well yes, but actually no. There are already talks with Greece to send the Marders they should get to Ukraine, and give them their Marders later.
              That way we can get the Marders and Leos to Ukraine wheree they are needed and supply them to the other countries that are not actually at war right now later.

              Ultimately, we need more Leo2s. Also, the german-French tank program probably has to stop in favor of an actually workable program, but that is a very political question.

              >In reality, Germany is arguably the second biggest supporter of Ukraine.
              Of course, but the vatniks and anti-German shills will screech and throw feces if you say that.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                You're also dragging your feet with every single shipment and proportionally far less than Easteuros. The anti-German sentiment is completely understandable, considering their stances now and especially pre-war.
                The only thing that's unfair about this is Macron not getting shit for his pathetic aid after screeching about EU military autonomy for two years

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Meanwhile KMW, the main manufacturer, says they can have a brigade sized delivery ready in 1-2 months.

          Rheinmetall is just trying to flex on the German government for fatter contracts by complaining how poor and how much work they need. Literally just working an angle to get a fatter contract that won't make them work. If Scholz is taking time, it's because Rheinmetall is trying to profiteer and the government, pretty rightfully, does not want to cave for corporate whining.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Rheinmetall, H&K and pretty much every other company have EVERY fucking right to milk this retarded country dry. God forbid we spend any less money on our Goldstücke and the rest of the moronpests rather on them.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            [...]
            There are different pools of tanks, some of them with Rheinmetall and some with KMW as industry storage / ready to be dismantled and some more with the army.
            Rebuilding the RM hulls costs a lot of money. Given that Rheinmetall has about 5bln turnover/year, putting several hundred million into tank refurb without definite orders is not economically feasible.
            The ones Rheinmetall was talking about are hulls meant for demonstrator/testbed use and building specialized equipment. They would need to be totally dismantled and rebuilt from the ground up which takes substantial time.
            There should be some Leo2s in Rockensußra, but there is no official number or comment on the state of the hulls.
            Maybe there are some hulls with WTD 41 or somebody else that could be sent. Numbers are not public, though.

            [...]
            It’s entertaining to listen to them rambling, though.

            Rheinmetall has a number of Leo2s in different stages of readiness and repair, they'd essentially take the more suitable ones and fast-track them.

            >Makes you wonder, what stopped them from starting the work a year ago.
            Because the German governemnt is full of people who were afraid of escalation and being called nazi again, after being called nazi for any kind of reason you could ever come up with, for decade after decade..
            Or becasue they're literally fifth columnists paid by Moscow.
            Or they were just incompetent and/or lazy and decided to hide behind a plethora of regulations.

            We are already in a cinpletee political clown show where you have the liberals(think libertarians, USbros) and greens calling for rearmamenrt, after nearly 20 years of conservatives and socialists letting the armed forces rot.

            >Welp. Let's see if they decide to do teh right thing and send tanks.
            How's that in the purview of the defense minister?

            Some interdasting points ITT. Glad I managed to rub that one in you

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >Makes you wonder, what stopped them from starting the work a year ago.
          It literally explains it in any article worth its salt about it.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >Welp. Let's see if they decide to do teh right thing and send tanks.
        How's that in the purview of the defense minister?

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          It's not, at least not directly.

          Sorry, I should have specified who I meant with 'they'.
          I was referring to the political parties that form the coalition governemnt in Germany.
          Two of the three parties alreadsyy went public weeks or months ago and stated that they were in favor of sending 'heavy weapons of all types', and were in favor of ordering more from Rheinmetall, KMW etc.
          Those were the Liberals and Greens. The Social democrats wer not in favor, and stalled for time by doing the whole 'keine Alleingänge' spiel, i.e. Germany would not be the lone sender of any particular weapon type.

          Which they've stuck to so far, because when the US sent Bradleys Germany immediately sent Marders.
          Now that Britain has agreed to send Challengers, I expect them to greenlight Leopards.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >Which they've stuck to so far, because when the US sent Bradleys Germany immediately sent Marders.
            That's not what happened.
            US, France and Germany coordinated their support and announced it at the same time.

            >Now that Britain has agreed to send Challengers, I expect them to greenlight Leopards.
            Stupid PR move. 10 Challengers alone worthless. Not enough to even fit one company.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              >That's not what happened.
              >US, France and Germany coordinated their support and announced it at the same time.
              And announced it the same week the US announced it would send Bradleys. Same difference, tehy clearly all coordinated this beforehand.

              >Stupid PR move. 10 Challengers alone worthless. Not enough to even fit one company.
              We've seen that before, HIMARS and PzH2000 were called that.
              Also, the Brits could probably send around 70 with some refurbishment.

              And this is probably a political move to get the Leos.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >Welp. Let's see if they decide to do teh right thing and send tanks
        Which tanks, anon?
        >BERLIN, Jan 15 (Reuters) - German armsmaker Rheinmetall (RHMG.DE) could deliver repaired Leopard 2 battle tanks to Ukraine in 2024 at the earliest and would need a confirmed order to begin repairs, its chief executive was quoted as saying by Bild newspaper on Sunday.

        Makes you wonder, what stopped them from starting the work a year ago.

        There are different pools of tanks, some of them with Rheinmetall and some with KMW as industry storage / ready to be dismantled and some more with the army.
        Rebuilding the RM hulls costs a lot of money. Given that Rheinmetall has about 5bln turnover/year, putting several hundred million into tank refurb without definite orders is not economically feasible.
        The ones Rheinmetall was talking about are hulls meant for demonstrator/testbed use and building specialized equipment. They would need to be totally dismantled and rebuilt from the ground up which takes substantial time.
        There should be some Leo2s in Rockensußra, but there is no official number or comment on the state of the hulls.
        Maybe there are some hulls with WTD 41 or somebody else that could be sent. Numbers are not public, though.

        >First come, first served.
        Well yes, but actually no. There are already talks with Greece to send the Marders they should get to Ukraine, and give them their Marders later.
        That way we can get the Marders and Leos to Ukraine wheree they are needed and supply them to the other countries that are not actually at war right now later.

        Ultimately, we need more Leo2s. Also, the german-French tank program probably has to stop in favor of an actually workable program, but that is a very political question.

        >In reality, Germany is arguably the second biggest supporter of Ukraine.
        Of course, but the vatniks and anti-German shills will screech and throw feces if you say that.

        It’s entertaining to listen to them rambling, though.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        That was a statement from a private company, not the government or the BW.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          And that company is not even the one making the hulls. They are building specialist vehicles like Codiac based on the hull.

  22. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Lmao at the germs, they either get retarded incompetwnt whamen or literal cucks that are russian plants.
    Yeah the german military will only be fixed when muslims become a majority and take over that shithole.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Found the retard who blindly believes PiS propaganda and didn't read the thread.

  23. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Why cant these corrupt fat cats even dress properly? Every time they fuck up the collar, the tie or the lenght of the jacket. And you'd expect them to be rich enough to have tailors

  24. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Deutschbrudi here - I have 0 hope for the Bundeswehr being actually good again. The core issue is that the Bundeswehr, from the ground up, is designed as an intervention-army and not a defensive one. Meaning that it is in no way, shape or form capable of defending anything.

    Then again, I seriously hope they don't reintroduce the draft. I'll be noping the fuck outta this hellhole, because I don't wanna die for Globohomo EU in some slavic shitcountry like my great-grandpappy.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Hello, Hans Hansovich from Bavaria Oblast.

      Ironically enough, you mention something that needs to happen, a shift back to actual defense away from intervention.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Ironically that's one of the few things the old defense minister already did:
        https://www.bundeswehr.de/de/aktuelles/meldungen/territoriales-fuehrungskommando-bundeswehr-aufgestellt-5504318

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Future force structure is already addressing that.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >Hans Hansovich from Bavaria Oblast.
        kek, ironically I'm from lower saxony.

        And yes, the Bundeswehr needs a fundamental change in doctrine from the Mutti/Kohl era. We need a massive overhaul in basically every equipment area, but imo the highest priority should be Luftwaffe and closely followed by the Heer. The Marine can honestly be scrapped because the current gen "frigates" (aka fat-ass destroyers but with somehow half the equipment of an Arleigh Burke) are just pure ass. Pour that money into a serious purely domestically produced fighter and bomber. For the love of god, don't fall for the F35 meme like we did with the Witwenmacher.

        Seriously, stocking up on manpower, equipment and actually pouring in MORE than just 2% GDP into the military should be just fine to return the Bundeswehr into a respectable force within the next 5-10 years.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Who are you defending against?
          Shitty Ukraine is already beating Russia.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Si vis pacem, para bellum, moron. Ukraine has shown that war in Europe is a very possible reality nowadays. Especially if China decides to get funky.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              40 year old NATO equipment is beating latest Russian equipment.
              Why do you need new equipment?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Because we want it and it might come in handy. Just like you might want an AR, that you likely will never need.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >Witwenmacher
          That is a meme in itself, the plane caused teh Luftwaffe to professionalize and get its shit together for the next 20 or so years.

          Doesn't change the fact that the purchase itself was pure CDU/CSU corruption. but that is what C stands for so what do you expect.

          F-35 is the 'better than nothing' choice we have right now after twenty years of doing nothing.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >Pour that money into a serious purely domestically produced fighter and bomber
          Which Germany has the capability to produce and can make in large quantities for a decent price?
          With the F-35 they get to enjoy top level technology, benefits of economy of scale and quick delivery with no rnd costs

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >he lied as naturally as he breathed

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              >With the F-35 they get to enjoy top level technology, benefits of economy of scale and quick delivery with no rnd costs
              Is this wrong? Or do you believe memes from 2014?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                The calculation is somewhat more complex than whether or not there are planes available on the international market. Especially when you have a domestic industry producing aircraft.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Intervention armies are by definition more capable than purely defensive armies.
      And any army capable of properly defending a country the size of Germany would by default also be capable of intervening anywhere in the Old World.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        i don't think you know what old world means

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        In theory, you'd be correct. However, the sorry state of the Bundeswehr has more than proven that it's a fallacy. The issue being that the government has massively decreased spending in the defense sector BECAUSE of the "lmao intervention" army doctrine.
        >no draft means no more fresh blood
        >had to massively lower standards just to get some people to sign up
        >barely gets enough money to not completely fall apart
        >Trannoid-mania and abolishment of culture means even less people signing up
        >want to shoot guns? Have a broomstick lol, we don't have enough ammo/guns/places to shoot
        >basically larp as boyscouts but with airsoft

        Meanwhile in civvie land
        >Bundeswehr is depicted as le ebil larping NADZEES
        >Government hopes that our Goldstücke (read moronfugees) sign up
        >said Goldstücke won't sign up because why would you when you can comfortably live off of gibs
        >Lena-Marie and Sören voted Green in the past, aka for the dismantling of the Bundeswehr before they got bloodthirsty for slav blood
        >Boomers voted for CDU/SPD, which wanted to have their black 0, aka no new debt/spending
        >absolutely nobody wants to enlist bar the most braindead idiots

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          So why are you not enlisted, Mr. Big Talk?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Why would I? I have my guns, I have my G36. I'll be leaving to live in the US with my gf/fiancé soon. Enlisting for a country with a government that despises me and taxes me to shit? No thanks. If the Bundeswehr would pay well, offer great retirement options and offer modern equipement with societal respect, I would. As it stands, the Bundeswehr is peak clown company.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              Lel, sure thing buddy.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >>want to shoot guns? Have a broomstick lol, we don't have enough ammo/guns/places to shoot
          Can't tell if you're trolling or actually fell for angloid media
          There are more than enough guns, the source of that story was a logistical fuck-up that didn't last very long.
          There are about 2 million G3s in storage in case of a defensive war and tons of g36s remaining.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        The army in particular still suffers from putting too much emphasis on MOATW and planning equipment procurement around that. Just look at the state of german artillery.
        Same goes for the navy. Instead of concentrating on its two core missions, stabilization operations played a huge role in design choices for some of the frigates. Would have made more sense to better integrate with the dutch.

        >germany has a gun culture
        You are objectively wrong. There is a strong sentiments against guns especially in the cities. There are massive bureaucratic procedures involved with owning guns. The types allowed are very limited and offer next to no synergy with military training.
        The gun laws are amongst the strictest world wide.

        Germany indeed has a very strong gun culture. It’s just not of the tacticool type. Almost every village with more than 500 inhabitants has a range and a gunclub.
        Training fundamentals is always a good thing and frankly, playing SOF assaulter on a 100 meter range with 3 friends has about as much military value as skateboarding.

        That's wrong. German gun culture goes back centuries. Yeah most people are anti gun but that's true for most countries and doesn't contradict the fact that hunting and sport shooting have a long tradition here.
        >The gun laws are amongst the strictest world wide
        Ehh I'm not to sure about that. You can own Semi Autos in big calibers like AR-15s as well as handguns, something you can't do in any anglo country except the US with many other European countries (Netherlands, Spain, Portugal, Norway) having worse gun laws overall.
        I understand the irony in me saying that since politicians right now try to push for further gun control, but as it stands right now it's definitely not one of the worst countries to be a gun owner in.

        True.

  25. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Nano machines son

  26. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Interesting read, unfortunately only in french. Deals with military equipment reserve strategy by multiple countries and helps understand a lot of the issues western countries and Russia are facing right now. Really helps reevaluate, why the bongs were so eager to dump excess equipment in Ukraine by the way.

    https://www.ifri.org/fr/publications/etudes-de-lifri/focus-strategique/stocks-militaires-une-assurance-vie-haute-intensite

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      German article with a tldr

      https://soldat-und-technik.de/2023/01/streitkraefte/33774/kanonen-aus-glas-eine-uebersicht-ueber-depostrategien-und-waffenreserven/

      Also, deny the fish.

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