M2a2 Bradley lighting up a house from close range with its main gun
https://twitter.com/gloooud/status/1693916043809345948?s=46&t=vNUOI7d7yJFqHoqKrRS_XQ
New footage from the battle of robotyne
M2a2 Bradley lighting up a house from close range with its main gun
https://twitter.com/gloooud/status/1693916043809345948?s=46&t=vNUOI7d7yJFqHoqKrRS_XQ
Evacuation of civilians by the 47th separatist brigade
https://twitter.com/anno1540/status/1693910946836574625?s=46&t=vNUOI7d7yJFqHoqKrRS_XQ
Why are so many civies being retarded and staying in active combat zones, even as combat continuously intensify?
once the Russians arrive its too late to evacuate, the only option they allow is to move into Russia
They should have left over a year ago
Leave where? Most who stay are elderly who don't have savings or health to work.
The 90s were fucked up in post-Soviet countries. They taught a lot of people that if you leave your property somebody will take it. So a lot try to stay as long as it’s possible.
It has little to do with the 90s and a lot to do with Soviet repressions. The soviets would deport families to Siberia and give their homes to people that are friends of the regime. That's how my great grandparents lost their residence and their land in the 1940s until it was finally returned to my family after the Soviet union fell
Minefield and artillery in front of you. Russians send you to a filtration camp where you either disappear or are moved to siberia.
You can see a lot of them are usually older people. Some are already nearing the end of their ropes and are deeply attached to their homes and homesteads, so they feel they have little reason to leave. Some don't have any means to go anywhere and are confined to their homes, and some are "waiters" who the Russians really tend to dislike, those well and truly waiting to be liberated. "Pragmatically", if they try to evacuate, their only option is to fall deeper into the hands of the russians, who inevitably will bully and abuse them into becoming "russian citizens", and it's quite likely their property will then be inhabited, looted, and destroyed quite thoroughly by any russians stationed in the area before any combat begins.
Play Muv-Luv Unlimited
>Why are so many civies being retarded and staying in active combat zones, even as combat continuously intensify?
You have americans here talking about protecting their property in a civil war scenario instead of running away, which is the best proven method to survive one by looking at examples in the XXth century (SCW, yugoslavia...)
People become attached to their land and property and lose sigh of long term survival.
with how wide the frontline is, it always feels like the war is always a few villages away so it's not perceived as a "big deal" by large amounts of less anxious people, they will only leave after seeing firsthand what artillery did to their neighbor's house, and even then may decide that the chances of getting hit are slim and it's fine to stay
tfw you never going to rescue babushkas with kittens. you can see how she contemplates the task of preparing 200 home cooked meals
russian dont let them leave mate. if the cared and actually wanted to liberate them and safe them from the "westoid kiev gayrime". they could just evacuate them for 3 days until the SMO is over.
American made m2 Bradley’s liberating the people of Ukraine. Iconic
Glory be to Saint Bradley, liberator of robotyne
Imagine you are a civilian living under the russian occupation, completely cut off from external information and being fed propaganda about how russian army is winning the war, then suddenly you see American vehicles rolling in and liberating the town, must have been quite a shock for them
>https://twitter.com/anno1540/status/1693910946836574625?s=46&t=vNUOI7d7yJFqHoqKrRS_XQ
Imagine how crazy it must be for the old boomers that grew up in the Soviet Union. They were told the USA/west is the enemy and evil blah blah blah. Now, Ukies are evacuating them in American equipment. Strange how it really do be like that sometimes
Robotyne fully liberated
https://twitter.com/xpoliticalnews/status/1693928965616943262?s=46&t=vNUOI7d7yJFqHoqKrRS_XQ
If robotdyne is fully liberated then isn't this terrible news for Russia? Their railway is now fucked, so logistics will have to go through trucks which Russia has jackshit of.
Not just yet, they're not in safe range to do so, but this is a good step closer.
Russian logistics are getting ass raped everywhere. It's glorious
dis only a minor setback
DAMN THAT HEDGEHOG
I WILL OWN ALL THE PISS-KEY EMERALDS!
twitter links should be an instant perma ban. seriously, fuck off to reddit/facebook/etc with that shit. make a webm or reupload elsewhere if you must have sound like
catbox or streamable. this is an IMAGEBOARD and you are cancer
I agree about making webms but you have been crying about catbox for a fucking year
>not gonna click that shit bro!
>please make a 7 minutes webm in HD catbox is banned in my third world!
I LIVE FOR THIS KINO
the way he uses the smoke from the burning houses to cover his approach is pretty clever
nice to see those thermal optics being effectively leveraged
>Smoke
It's mostly dust, Ukraine is dry as FUCK right now, the smoke comes later.
> the smoke comes later.
ok mr bane
Are the round explosive or it's just the kinetic energy making it smoke like that?
>Smoke
It's dust
The Bradley has a dual-feed system for the main gun, so the gunner can choose between HE and AP ammo on the fly. So they certainly should be HE, given the target type.
It looks like anemic HE so I think so.
There is only so much ammo in a Bradley and operations like this can be stretched though, they could have used AP idk.
what is the current tool for downloading twitter vids? I can see em in my browser and I can download the m4s files by hand with dev console but boy there must be an easier way.
paste link here https://ssstwitter.com/
used to be that you could add 'sss' into any twitter link and it would redirect and already have it ready but elon seems to have broken that
Isnt the infantry supouse to make a move?
Like at least secure the first house
The Bradley is supporting the infantry by just turning the house into rubble. It’s what IFVs do and it’s what sets them apart from APCs
Bradley was accidentally designed perfectly for this war. It's autocannon destroys trench networks with armor piercing rounds the Ukrainians figured out.
Trenches don't give cover to Russians
i think those guys took some hits and are bandaging so probably not
I am Bradley enjoyer
did that tank just go in reverse?
Saved
>tow box raised
>passes by a destroyed t-90m
Sexual
>we will raise our TOW boxes and Russia will understand everything
good one
lol lmao even
Russians by their own admission steer clear of the locals because they’re hostile to them.
Some people are just stubborn and refuse to leave their homes they spent their entire lives living in.
This has been a phenomenon on both sides. Russians have been complaining about how the civilians that the effectively captured during the initial push all hate them for a very long time now.
No, one of the videos literally had civies saying that the russians won't let them go to the Ukrainian side. They either had to stay or get deported to russia.
That Bradley came way too close to running over 3 of his own guys, several times.
Jesus Christ my next brad tribute video is going to be like 2 hours long at this rate
Robotnik status?
Egg carrier sunk
Russians invented new category of control, when they have no soldiers in Robotnik but because they are still shooting at the village means they "partially control it"
I HATE THAT DAMNABLE HEDGEHOG
Ass in ass status
Shadow the Bradhog pissed on his fucking wife
Rude!
At least try a new meme bruh
Nah
How do you like that Obama! I crashed into the moon, you idiot!
The russians have been booted out.
Now they're snooping as usual around the edges.
Not so fast, HATO!
Haven't you read the transcript of President Zelensky's recent phone call (picrel)?
GET A LOAD OF-
GET A LOAD OF-
GET A LOAD OF THIS!
....NO WAY, I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS!
Were those ukie soldiers or rusmorons soldiers in the side of the road?
They were shooting at the house.
Ukrainian
I though all the Bradleys were destroyed already?
No, only about 34% of them.
34% damaged, a fair amount recovered.
It was a joke about Russia's top brass claiming all western tanks have been destroyed in Ukraine.
We need a thread discussing ukraines use of IFVs for assaulting without tanks. It’s completely unheard of
There was another video with bradley and a tank in Robotnik
>We need a thread discussing ukraines use of IFVs for assaulting without tanks. It’s completely unheard of
So the line between APC, IFV, and Light tank, keeps getting blurred. Bradley's are just a step below light tank and since Russia is running low on armor and artillery, it's more than enough. They're fast too and they're cheap so they can afford to lose them. Hope they get 500 more Chadleys.
It places Tomak within artillery range. Goodbye rail depos and rail lines! They're also trying ot push in the east to be able to shell the same rail line in the east too.
They use them alongside Leopards. Its just that in videos like this the Bradleys are far away from the Leopards.
Doesn't look very flattened in that video anon
Russia lost ground it desperately tried to hold. Not only that they lost it to Bradley wunderwaffen. The condition of civilians houses isn’t relevant.
>all houses in Stalingrad are demolished, i-it doesn't matter that soviets took this rubble!
you clearly have no idea about warfare or are intentionally derailing the thread, go tongue my anus and then have a nice day
He does, and that's why he's seething so hard about it.
I accept your concession <3
okay redditor
Someone call Amnesty International, Ukraine is threatening civilian livelihood!
>We don’t NEED Robotyne
The eternal cycle continues
>There is no attack
>there was an attack but it was destroyed with zero losses
>the attack is ongoing but they are just basing their heads against the wall, losing gorillions of soldiers and five Boris Johnsons
>there is no retreat
>they didn't kick us out, we retreated
>we didn't actually want it anyway
Next stop: Novoprokopivka
>https://twitter.com/xpoliticalnews/status/1693928965616943262?s=46&t=vNUOI7d7yJFqHoqKrRS_XQ
Seeing Bradleys fighting an actual war in Europe. What a time to be alive.
I'm curious if any lessons can be learned from Ukraine? I do wonder if the situation is considered a-typical or not. Like a lot of observers chalked up the Persian Gulf war curb-stomping to Iraqi incompentecy and corruption, but no it really does look like USA gear was decades ahead of Soviet Gear. They were still working from USSR cold war bias so the idea of big strong USSR was still in our heads.
So my feeling might be that less focus on MBT, and more on IFV's, light tanks, and maybe a position between light tank and IFV. All backed up by drones and standard army and infantry. A little less heavy armor, more mobile armor with faster movement with equipment cheap enough that a UAV taking out your armor isn't some catastrophe.
The lessons are as they have been since the gulf war
>Not be corrupt
>good logistics
>good training
>good troop morale and motivation
>can into SEAD
>
It cannot be understated how much of an embarrassment for the British this is
he really said it
I miss the old derails where we talked about meta-physics and interesting geographical features.
Pretty incredible footage. Has to be terrifying but heartening for the guys on the ground, feet away from the Bradley roaring past. Hopefully they managed to get the wounded out of there. God bless Ukraine.
I actually enjoy the fact the Bradley is having its redemption arc. It’s the best performing in combat IFV the west has ever fielded
>redemption arc.
What was there to be redeemed of? It was always seen as an excellent and capable vehicle
Of people who believed Pentagon Wars
It's the only one they fielded in large enough numbers that we see lots of footage of.
We have no idea how effective they are compared to other IFVs unless Ukraine releases data on hits after the war.
For sure better than Russnig IFVs, I love crushing Armatards dreams.
Their numbers is part of what makes them great
Not really?
Ah what am I saying I just realised who I'm talking to. Fuck off retard I want actual conversations without your retarded shilling.
What are you talking about? I’ve heard people say 25mm is shit for an IFV and I’m just remarking on how the videos coming out of Ukraine disproves that. Didn’t mean to somehow offend you with that statement
>A gun can be used against infantry means it's the most effective ammo for the job
You are literally retarded, nearly every claim you make is disingenuous even if they are potentially correct, it's no wonder noone takes you seriously.
>nearly every claim you make
Not who you’re hoping I am. I’m just pointing out how effective the 25mm is for supporting troops. The huge ammo capacity surely helps.
You are. Noones buying it.
No one is buying what? You sound like a schizo making broad claims like that as if you speak for the whole board. Stay on topic or fuck off
Don’t know what you’re talking about mate the gun has proven very effective
Samefag
Pretending to be a bong is a new low.
>New footage from the battle of robotyne
>Robotyne
I thought you autists were making esoteric reference to the coming SkyNet wars.
I Confused "Cyberdyne" with Robotyne". Both are great names for killer robot companies I assert.
I’m surprised just how effective a high rate of fire 25mm cannon can be. I’m sorry 25mm for doubting you and your ammo capacity
Arty range on vatnik logistic lines, politically and socially insignificant, but strategically essential.
>politically and socially insignificant
In an exceptionally dry and somewhat sociopathic sense, the Ukrainians don't really need to win hearts and minds, when the alternative is Russian occupation, it's very easy to convince people you're the good guy.
That's not to say they shouldn't try to.
: )
>search “Bradley Ukraine” on Twitter
>it’s receiving mass praise
so why has ukraine decided that they want CV90 to be their next main stake IFV? so much so that they want to acquire the rights to manufacturing them in house? bradleys are yesterday's toys
https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3750513-ukraine-sweden-sign-statement-on-joint-production-of-cv90-combat-vehicle.html
Because Bradleys are never going back into production and CV90s are. Pretty dumb question.
BAE won’t roll over and let you produce brads in country but Sweden will. It’s one of their main selling points. Koreans do it too
BAE also owns Hägglunds, the CV 90 manufacturer.
>t doesn’t know anything about procurement
They do like the CV90, it's real nice, and is just generally more modern, the Bradley is my favorite IFV but it is 40+ years old. The US military themselves have been pondering Bradley replacements for ages but they have 12000 legacy Bradley hulls they can't just throw away so they upgrade them well enough.
However don't expect an actual rational conversation with this guy, he is our local shill warriortard. You can't have any meaningful discussion with him, he will lie, samefag and shill instead of arguing genuinely. It is a waste of your time talking about it when he's active you will never get an interesting thought filled reply, only shilling.
I’m sorry I don’t want any part of your guys drama. I only like the Bradley best because I’ve literally never seen videos of other non Russian IFVs in combat.
It's not drama, he's just a retard, probably just under half the thread is him. Hang around here long enough and you'll get fed up of him too.
There's some from the CV90
Can I see it
Sounds like you are perpetuating it. Talk military gear or don’t reply to me. Off topic posters need to be shot
>perpetuating a 2 year long shitposting nolife
No, he does it himself.
I talked to you about the IFV but you ignored it you megamoron, only to get caught up talking about the second part of my post. Kindly do the needful yourself.
Can you post that footage please
Hopefully they get the 30mm gun. Seeing all of these videos I wouldn’t want to be stuck with a supporting vehicle that barely carries 200 rounds all together and only like 24 at the ready
For a start it's a 35mm
You'd need less shells per house, and you'd need less for non fortifications for the same reason. If your IFV is accurate there is nothing wrong with slightly larger ammo. You're probably going to run through the ammo at similar rates.
There is also a 30mm cv90. 25-30 really seems to be the sweet spot until IFVs are fitted with radars as standard then 35-50mm airbursting shells would make sense. I think we’re going to see a mix of traditionally armed IFVs and larger caliber IFVs
You don't need radars? Most programmable ammo is just timer and thus range adjusted, a generic laser rangefinder would do
That’s true in theory but no production IFVs currently have the capability. The CV90 does have an air defense variant that utilizes a radar though
The US doesn't want other countries touching their production rights. Poland wouldn't have bought K2s if America had let them have Abrams manufacturing rights.
The Abrams production line was shut down in 1996. The USA has no current ability to make new Abrams and every Abrams since then has been an update on the ~9000 hulls and turrets made from 1981-1996. Only the Egyptians are still making Abrams (M1A1E) right now.
Poland wants the expertise to make and develop their own tanks, and the only 2 "western" tanks with fully operation raw to finished good production lines are K2 and Type 10, and K2 is the no brainer pick out of that list.
They lanceted their own tank
Did they? Or was this a tank Ukrainian. I feel like it was Ukrainian.
>lulz i got you cheering for the wrong guy! aren't you demoralized?
yeah it's reverse false flag posting again.
https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1688503092289978368
Was knocked out last week and I guess has been sitting there ever since.
Oh maybe
They have captured those by the way retard
Perhaps the idea was so that Ukraine might not be able to if they killed it first.
Hell, perhaps Ukrainian infantry were trying to start it up so they decided to do the needful.
Do lancets actually have enough kick to take out tanks?
I keep seeing a bunch of footage, but it always cuts away before the tank burns/explodes.
They do not. Usually (not always) BMPs also shrug them off. I've even seen logistics vehicles and up-armor humvees take direct hits and keep rolling (though usually Lancet can destroy or disable those). It has a very light payload and it does seem that most of their targets are logistics and light infantry vehicles, which is optimal use, but they prefer to release footage of these ineffective strikes against heavier targets for some reason
> for some reason
So they can cut off the end and boast about “xaxaxaxa we have destroyed evil hohol NAFOchud Abraleopard. The ass is now in the ass!”
yes and no. warhead is a mining charge (KZ-6 Engineering Cumulative Charge) with similar expected performance as an RPG 7 shape charge, basically 200mm of penetration.
so that will penetrate with a good strike on the right place and won't penetrate on a bad strike or bad place.
the shape charge faces straight forward, and this leads to impacts at shallow angles or skimming penetration if the angle of attack is as bad as we often see in videos.
we also have very few full videos with battle damage assessment. only videos that have a clear visible effect after the strike are shown.
it can work, but chances are it often doesn't otherwise we would see more evidence /uncut footage
>be russian kamikaze drone engineer
>design for a generous payload of 3kg
>import pixhawk for good flight control
>plug in a shitty demo charge from the 1960s for your warhead
What a waste. They ought to be getting 500mm+ RHA plus a frag sleeve.
>They lanceted their own tank
Good thing it appears to have done fuck-all. Maybe the Ukies can recover it.
of course, it suddenly becomes extremely destructive when taking down "russias own tank" (proof of which, of course, is still pending). however, when it destructs nato equipment, it has never made a dent
in fact, ukraine has yet to lose a single man in battle, apparanly, they are superheroe on par with marvel
Nice reading comprehension mongoloid
>apparanly, they are superheroe
Good morning sir
When did the 47th become so pivotal to the war effort?
June when they became the main effort
>Facing towards Russian positions
>Next to Ukrainian troops one of which is injured
>Lancet video shows a non debilitating hit on it
>Bradley comes in from behind it
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm
>T90M
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
>Facing towards Russian positions
Its reverse speed is 4kph.
>Next to Ukrainian troops one of which is injured
The area is being fought over.
>Lancet video shows a non debilitating hit on it
They were trying to destroy it before it could be captured.
>Bradley comes in from behind it
It was captured.
Robotnik status?
got rid of that horrid music and swapped it for something good
Damn 25mm HE looks pretty weak, no wonder everyone uses 30mm+
This doesn’t look like an organic post to the thread. Why would people white knight calibers. It’s not like you have any videos of other IFVs in combat to compare it to. Opinion instantly disregarded
Stop talking to yourself.
>Warriortard gets mad at people pointing out 25mm is weak
>Double posts
Hows the one man battle against the entire board going?
Pretty embarrasing. You tried a narrative push and it failed.
Settle down schizo, didnt do so well in your other thread did you kek https://boards.PrepHole.org/k/thread/59318171#top
You okay? Or you need special attention, you samefagging autist?
>your ugly grandmother will never be rescued by qt Bradley crewman ukranian gf
>bra printing through sweaty shirt
Imagine the smell
Speaking of smell though, how long do you think these soldiers has been out there without shower haha
The women tend to be combat medics or logistics support. But yeah, IFV driver/operator is something women could actually do.
This means artillery will be moved closer to the front. A huge setback for Russia any way you slice it.
Robotyne is elevated and only 20km from a major Russian logistics line. Do you think Ukraine will regroup and she’ll it for the next year or will they try another push before winter
Got to make another push and keep up the tempo, if anything to keep the stream of weapons and supplies from the west flowing. And do as much as possible since there's still a very real chance that the pro-Russia candidate in America wins the election next year.
There is no chance a pro Russian have got government is elected in America in 17 months. Zero.
Just like there was no chance the pro-Russian candidate didn't get elected in 2016, until he did?
I've learned to prepare for the worst.
The president isn't an emperor.
There is zero chance a pro Russian government is elected.
>Pro Russian
If that's they case why didn't Putin invade while he was in office? You die hard cultists are very bad at this
Any further and Tokmak will be in howitzer range. That is unironically game over for Russia in the south. This is basically their last chance to stalemate before their southern front collapses or gets cut off.
It's really annoying to constantly see people drawing cope circles implying someone will shell Tokmak with impunity 1km from the actual frontline, or that it's a game changer when they finally can.
Rail transport doesn't stop because someone puts a few rounds near a rail track. The biggest difference would be if they had the lines in the FPV drone range because it means constant harassment of every buchanka, yet even then the logistics would just get worse, not collapse.
Ukraine could realistically push a few KM further and dig in. Russias last defensible position before tokmakbwas robotyne.
Owari da
From this, if they take Tokmak & Melitopol the whole western front is basically finished, the only smart move would be for russoids to pull out everything east of Kherson and fortify Crimea in the hope of hanging onto it through a peace treaty when the rest of the war is over
Those are some big arrows.
>Rail transport doesn't stop because someone puts a few rounds near a rail track.
Step one: Use single GMLRS or guided artillery shell to put hole in track.
Step two: Use conventional artillery fire to harass/kill repair crews.
Step three: Repeat step one as necessary.
Why isn't Ukraine doing it in like Svatove then? Artillery needs to move to avoid counter battery, and then drones searching their whereabouts. Rail repair meanwhile is cheap and fast. That's on top of Ukraine needing a live drone feed of the damaged section all the time and hope the drone doesn't get shot down in the meanwhile (or just run out of batteries).
I don't exactly remember Ceasar shelling the pontoons specifically, but pontoon bridges are easier to damage than rail, so you can spend expensive guided/extended range ammunition for those. And of course Russians still managed to somehow retreat through those pontoon bridges.
>That's on top of Ukraine needing a live drone feed of the damaged section all the time and hope the drone doesn't get shot down in the meanwhile (or just run out of batteries).
I don't think you know what harassing fire is.
These are feasible solutions in the presence of counter battery, and with Russians knowing there is just one salient with little cover from which they can be shelled and a counter battery radar working near the track.
Once again, apparently no analyst thinks interrupting the railway requires just Robotyne + some distance for the artillery.
I dont think russia has any counter battery radars left at this point, the Ukrainians have been shelling with impunity for weeks now, just about the only left that threatens their arty are drones
>And of course Russians still managed to somehow retreat through those pontoon bridges.
Do you remember the "civilian evacuations" during the Kherson offensive? They were to keep the Ukrainians from being able to strike the pontoon bridges.
>implying someone will shell Tokmak with impunity 1km from the actual frontline
I mean they literally did that in Kherson when they drove up with a Caesar to shell the pontoon bridges.
We're getting closer and closer to another "we don't need the Antonivka Bridge" moment.
The next decent place for RU forces to defend is solodka balka, which is 17km from Tokmak's center.
Could the Russians be retarded and counter-attack every step of the way back to delay it for a few weeks? Sure. They're probably doing that RIGHT NOW. Doesn't matter though, facts are facts, and the next semi-stable point on the front is uncomfortably close.
For me it's Hobe
Cretinous post anon
I'm not gonna be delusional and say the russian front will collapse in TWO MORE WEEKS, this will take imo at least a month or two. However, if ukraine pushes another 10 km (which they've proven they're able to do, despite zigger concern trolling they've been consistently moving forwards in zapo since the counteroffensive started), they will, objectively, be able to repeatedly shell the tokmak railway with impunity. They can already do so, they're already in range, but only with more expensive munitions/guns - they wanna be able to shell the railway CONSTANTLY with their cheaper, shorter range soviet era ammo. Which brings me to my main point:
>Rail transport doesn't stop because someone puts a few rounds near a rail track.
Correct, but give it a few more weeks and ukraine will be able to repeatedly shell the railway. Doesn't matter if you can fix the railway in two days if it's getting shelled every day multiple times does it? This will permanently make the railway unusable, and this singular rail line is the lifeblood of every russian unit west of Melitopol. It's so fucking over for ziggers lmao.
>You need closer to a few hours to fix a railway, and probably more than a couple of dumb rounds to actually hit close enough for damage
>Your guns meanwhile expose their positions so the effect needs to be proportional to the time spent else you're bleeding your artillery
You can show me a serious analytic who thinks it's literally over because they can dump dumb 155mm/152mm shells onto the Tokhmak railway.
Actually arriving at Tohkmak is a milestone in itself, but it would require actually contesting the railway, not just hoping to shell it once in a while. Even after to truly finish off the logistics something needs to be done about the port routes and Kerch bridge, which after Tokhmak should be well in the range of SS finally.
I actually cannot show you such an analytic (as stated am not an artillery autist so would appreciate another anon's help here) but I don't follow your reasoning. If ukraine makes it 10 km further south, they WILL be able to contest the railway, this is a fact? Not just occasionally damage it, but constantly shell it faster than the russians can fix it. I don't see how this doesn't happen within the next month or so anon.
Also
>port routes
>kerch bridge
lol, lmao even
Russian logistics are and have always been almost completely dependent on rail logistics. Russia's logistic situation is already fucked up as is. If you wipe out the railway, sure they could start to bring more stuff in by port than they currently do, but that would lead to two things
>russians having to reorient their entire logistics chain to be maritime rather than rail-based
and
>they would now be reliant on a less efficient, less rapid form of logistical support for them
Knowing how bad russia has been at managing logistics, even if given a few months they can sort out strengthening their maritime supply route, that's a few months where they have ZILCH logistics for everything west of melitopol. Not good.
Also, if you think kerch bridge > crimea > southern front is an adequate logistical route able to replace the tokmak railway entirely you're delusional.
Now see if russia wasn't fucking retarded they would have spent the past however many months they've had to prepare strengthening their logistics in the south in preparation for the counteroffensive, but it seems they would rather spend their time mining everything north of mariupol. And now they're fucked once they lose the tokmak railway.
>If ukraine makes it 10 km further south, they WILL be able to contest the railway, this is a fact?
No, 10km South would put them around Myrne - Nove - Kharkhove line. They would still need to fight around that line instead of dealing with the defenses around Tokhmak.
>but constantly shell it faster than the russians can fix it.
That's wishful thinking. Railways are both hard to damage and easy to fix, unfortunately, and Russian dependency on the rail also means they are adept at fixing it.
>Russia's logistic situation is already fucked up as is. If you wipe out the railway, sure they could start to bring more stuff in by port than they currently do, but that would lead to two things
If it was truly fucked we would see routs all around, but we don't. Static lines only seemed to help Russians. People once again have too much wishful thinking. Ukraine can't win the war by just hoping for something to collapse. Degrading rail transports means they will use more trucks, probably endangering other parts of the front from which they need to take those trucks, but it doesn't mean the Russian army will magically leave Ukraine.
you cant fix a rail if its being constantly shelled anon
If the ukies get close enough to bring the M777s they can hit it every day, every hour, every few minutes if they have to
Russia will run out of repair crews long before Ukraine runs out of shells
>Railways are both hard to damage and easy to fix, unfortunately, and Russian dependency on the rail also means they are adept at fixing it.
Anon, THINK. This isn't WWII.
If Tokmak is in basic-bitch tube artillery range, then it is in basic-bitch drone range.
I'm not even talking about suicide drones or that shit either, I'm talking just recon here.
All Ukraine has to do is sufficiently fuck up a length of rail so bad it needs to be repaired ONE TIME and watch it with drones. Real time coverage. Easy. Repair crews? That's a concentration of men. That's trucks. That's specialized equipment. That's priority target #1 and getting shit blasted in 75 seconds.
That line gets in range? It's a dead duck.
>ONE TIME and watch it with drones
Drones can absolutely be shot down if they are operating behind enemy lines. It's not easy at all, unless it's one case where you know exactly where they are supposed to be of course. Russia has been supplying Bakhmut under a swarm of drones for how many months exactly? The situation for Russia is gonna start deteriorating with Ukraine approaching Tokhmak, but just pushing a train through it won't exactly be impossible if there is still 10-15km between the railway and the grey zone.
>Drones can absolutely be shot down if they are operating behind enemy lines
Cool, move your close-range AA assets to suppress that. S-400s in Crimea won't be targeting tiny drones in Zaporizhzhia. Because they can't.
Ah well oh shit, those assets are now likely in range of a whole bunch of basic-bitch tube artillery fuck-rape too and/or HIMARS strikes, plus they have to emit and announce themselves every time they want to do something.
>w-well just put EW and jammers and stuff there
Cool, concentrate even more shit in a predictable narrow span of land. Emit like a Christmas tree constantly. Get a whole caravan going to set it up and supply it too. Go for it.
>unless it's one case where you know exactly where they are supposed to be of course
lemme just set up my secret layered EW systems and AA batteries. The GLOC thought he wheat fields is secret too btw.
>Russia has been supplying Bakhmut under a swarm of drones for how many months exactly?
22k dead 40k wounded from Wagner alone. t. Prigozhin
And that count stopped in May. Russia probably has ~100k casualties tied to that useless ruin at this point. A stunning success like that isn't in the works for Tokmak. The 70th Motorized Rifle Regiment was removed for refusing commands, and the 45th Spez got removed for probably the same reason (though we don't know that one for sure). And, unlike Tokmak, Bakhmut has right behind it has a railhead with a very nice and (compared to Tokmak) short railway from Russia that goes very snugly away from Ukrainian intervention. Tokmak doesn't have that, not even remotely similar and that's immediately obvious. Comparing their situations in terms of railways is insane.
EW just let’s people know where to HIMARS
Btw I'm not an artillery autist so I'm not fully aware of what munitions it is the ukies want to ideally use for the tokmak railway, I just remember vaguely from another thread it being about being able to repeatedly shell it with cheap munitions from a shorter range rather than occasionally damage it with expensive, longer range munitions from their current position which is not tactically viable. I would appreciate any artillery autists ITT correcting me on this if I'm wrong or clarifying what ammo/artillery gun types are in play here!
But yeah the situation seems objectively fucked for the russians
>ukrainians are consistently pushing south in zapo
>they will, at their current pace, be in a position to permanently disable the tokmak rail line with artillery within a month or so
>the russians have no counter if the tokmak railway gets fucked up
Personally I'm pessimistic so I doubt the whole southern coast is getting liberated anytime before next year when the jets get to ukraine, but I don't see how this summer doesn't end with ukraine in a VERY good position in the south. How viable would continuing the offensive in winter be do we think?
>How viable would continuing the offensive in winter be do we think?
Depends if the ground freezes solid. It didn't last year.
The rail lines come in both directions (along the Azov north coast and via Crimea), no?
Cutting the line at a point in the middle, how does it stop the Russians pushing supplies in from either direction?
the line running out from Rostov-on-Don jukes north through Donetsk and has been cut since the start of the war
If the Ukies cut tokmak as well then everything between it and Donetsk is lost
>Cutting the line at a point in the middle, how does it stop the Russians pushing supplies in from either direction?
It cuts the through-put down to nothing.
It's not about attacking Tokmak, it's about breach ling the defensive lines and creating safe corridor through minefields.
Notice how Ukraine picked up pace after being stuck in the minefields for two months.
Total artillery death helped.
>and this is a big win....because?
Ukraine is now 20km away from Tokmak.
>Bradley-chan is coming to save us!
>roars past your wounded buddy with 3 feet of clearance
Wow one managed to make it to the front
why are you crying?
It’s reporting on real life yes, Russia lost robotyne
Every time a zigger calls somebody a chud, another mobik gets added to the cube
Samefag. No one uses the term reporting real life. I’m sorry videos showing American made Bradleys in a freshly liberated robotyne hurts you
>RU MoD still hasn't formally acknowledged the sinking of the Moskva by Ukranians yet
we still have a chance boys
It places the Tokmak rail line under tube artillery fire control, which means logistics for everything west of Zap get fucked.
>trannies
>gay 15 yer olds social media
well well well, look who's back, you gonna fill this thread with a few hundred posts asking people if they love fags, too?
>it's actually him
did you have fun with your meat friends?
Huh? Quit being a schizo for 2 seconds and answer the question
This is the most delicious cope I have ever seen. Thanks anon for brightening our day
There it is! Ziggers and transexuals
Let's hear about trump, black men and garden gnomes next!
If I was lying in the road, and an IFV was rapidly backing up in the other lane, I'd consider moving into the ditch. If that thing rolls over a person he'd turn into dough and the Bradley wouldn't even notice a bump.
>Ghost of Kiev
Please explain without supernatural entities why Russia:
1) claimed the destruction of Ukrainian aviation in the first hours of war
2) claimed Kyiv will be taken in 3 days
3) didn't manage to get air superiority
4) lost the battle of Kyiv
Kids use Twitter =/= videos from Twitter are fake. This response
Was enough to dismiss you as a shill or actual retard
This is true which is why I follow TMZ on twitter so I can get all the totally real life celeb drama
Robotino have returned to the bear under its own power, comrades.
It's just a rainbow are you so brainwashed the sight of a rainbow makes you think of men kissing each other.
You lost LMAO
>i…it’s geolocated footage from that one time bradleys came to train by shooting live rounds at houses in robotyne
That’s how fucking stupid you are
REEEEE THE NEO NAZO garden gnomeS AND THEIR GLOBOHOMO BEARS!
According to russian MSM and its bots.
Reminder the Russian news network accidentally released a "victory" article days before they even invaded.
So if social media is unreliable guess I'll get my news from western news media like Reuters or AP instead, thanks anon!
You’re saying you don’t believe all the videos from robotyne coming out. It’s not text from Twitter you are copeing about its multiple videos. You lost already
What are you doing with the weird rapid fire questions, its very manic . I can't talk to you like this. Stop
"I HATE THAT HEDGEHOG!"
>rants for months how they'll never break through their (fiftheenth?) new lines that seem to always go in the direction of not Ukraine
>lines get breached
>repeat forever, under no circumstances shall you speak otherwise or it's off to gulag nr.154873 under total command of commisar Eatasstovich
Gee willickers I hear Russia is such a nice place to die in, excuse me, live in. I wonder why it's a country that is only emmigrating.
vice was always russian propaganda, just like western MSM pre-2022 and to extent even now
We've reached the cope level
Ziggers are now no longer using Twitter as a source
And now it's fake
Is race bait going away?
Never ever. Russia could collapse into a thousand tiny states tomorrow and they would still shame the west for being mean to blacks
>everything is fake
so what is real then anon? What's the score here? What's going on in this crazy dog-eat-dog world of ours? Please share with us your insights
>Rossyia 1
>"looks like Western MSM"
????
I am not real. They are not real. I am the only one here telling you the truth. Do not look at news. Do not listen to your family or friends. Lock your doors. The time is coming for us.
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>Who fishes with bait this rotten and old? I can't catch ANYTHING with this!
But anon, weren't those videos posted on twitter?
I think it's funny how ziggers went from using Twitter to prop up Trump, hate on transexuals and garden gnomes
Are now saying Twitter is just trash.its like terrible verbal judo done by a group of goldfish.
Take something that means something then twist it into your head canon then use social media raids to try to change the meaning
Like liberal, neo liberal, anglo, garden gnome, vassal state, deep state,Nazism, neo liberal and hegemony. Ziggers keep trying to redefine words and what sources can be used.
do you understand that viruses, as they spread and mutate from the original source, get less and less deadlier as time goes on?
So it's starting to look like ukraine will be in a pretty crazy position near the end of the year, most of southern ukraine will be in striking distance and supply lines for rooskis over winter are going to be incredibly difficult to maintain.
How the fuck does russia stay in the game over winter? There's the real potential of thousands of mobiks starving and freezing.
>Europe and the UkroNazis will surely freeze to death this time as General Winter saves us!
Or something like that
Imagine if winter fucks over Russia specifically two years in a row.
>Weird, your screenshot looks like American MSM and more Twitter shit
Hmmmmmm...
you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
Warriortard detected.
Ukraine has been using patrol vehicles for scouting
>memoryholing how he and the rest of 4chan were screaming how China was hiding a plague
Why are you trying so hard to pretend that there are no bradleys in robotnye?
Did you actually buy into that whole "Ukrainian counter-offensive has failed" line the russians were pushing or something?
The southern counter-offensive is going to end the same way the Kherson offensive did, with the russians ceding a strategically vital part of the occupied territory and then claiming they never wanted it anyway
He’s in denial
But serbia isn't anywhere near egypt
is there a good map available of eastern ukraine with railways and maybe different osint stuff overlaid like fronts and defensive lines?
So what is a trustworthy news source then, if everything is fake?
What the fuck is this schizo shit. moron what, you are all over the place are you on drugs
Really looks like a very desperate attempt to find a new angle by him. Let us see what he tries to drag next into the discussion, it's not like he could stop now.
He's melting down and samefagging. I'm actually a conservative but not republican. This guy is ESL or schizo. I don't understand his political slang at all. He's using shit like Nazi garden gnome contradictions. I can't decipher it. He's going to start deleting his own posts soon isn't he?
Just American things, you wouldn’t understand.
Fuck off you disingenuous retard. Anon is 100% accurate in that assessment.
>https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/search/text/Wuhan/type/op/start/2020-01-01/end/2020-01-30/
do you ever get tired of being wrong or do you just have the memory of a goldfish?
He’s not all over the place, the narrative was all over the place, because no one knew enough to be consistent.
This is retarded, Q-tier agitprop that brown hands typed. No I don't care if those brown hands are from the US or from India or from China, the results are the same.
You aren't even trying to sound normal anymore, you are basically screech into the void and hope people stop replying to you, so you can act like you won.
>M2a2 Bradley
RETARD ALERT
That is an m2a2
In case anyone wonders why warriortard lost it and is going bonkers in this thread, he made another thread
and someone posted his alleged twitter account and we are currently digging through it, it's fucking hilarious.
>4chan schizo is warriortard
I don’t believe you to be honest
Reply to me, i know you want to, i know you have to.
>notice me Senpai
Is this a joke or is he really like that?
Nice try chang. Everyone remembers how you locked up the doctor who wanted to warn everyone before COVID left China.
Fresh from the Zapo axis from artillery crews firing 777 counterbattery tasks.
Sponsored by fellow murder/k/ube worshipper, received by zigger Giatsint-B crew.
They are still doing that?
TZD, my fellow moderate.
>the CCP wants everyone to think it’s their fault COVID spread
Ok
nah, we all know you're timmyposter
>you're all little kids on social media
your posting style is recognizeable a mile off
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/59115823/#59116200
This bullshit will be seared into my memory for as long as I live
if there was any justice in this world the WHO would be totally dismantled, and their lead members arrested and thrown in jail
Calm down Timmyposter! You're going to burst a blood vessel at this rate!
He’s starting to lose it. Russia is weak, it’s not even a regional power.
Russia isn't even a regional power in Russia, as seen with the circus cook and his merry criminal mercs marching onto Moscow.
>According to Twitter
>I'm not denying that you stupid asshole
Correct me if I'm wrong but in the last thread you mentioned wanting to move to China, still planning to do that?
>implying he does what he says
>implying his word is even worth anything
Turkish occupation of Russia when?
They will get sloppy seconds after Chechens are done raping Russia, maybe Turkey can get in before China fucks Russia's east.
>See rainbow.
>Mauld about gays.
Go back to 4chan, you buck-broken shitskin.
Anon that happened when Pelosi was calling Trump a bigot and invited everyone to Chinatown to hug the locals. You can’t memory hole this. Just like you can’t memoryhole Russia losing Robotyne
NTA but
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/trumps-false-claims-about-pelosi-and-chinatown/
>fact check org
Yes.jpeg
>According to the exact same source that pushed fake COVID shit
I'm not a COVID cultist, I don't know wtf youre on about
>I've only been in this thread LARP boy
lurk moar newfag
>warriortard gives up in this thread
>warriortard posting and samefagging explodes in his other thread
kek
other thread just got deleted, now wait for him coming back here
Based Bradley
fucking called it, a bit too late but still
What is this psyop
yes, warriortard, give me all your attention, just imagine i am jake paul
Brits have been completed mindbroken by some autist who doesn't like the Warrior ifv and won't shut up about it. The see him everywhere now. They think every post appreciating the Bradley is warriortard now. As a fellow Bradley IFV enjoyer I find this very annoying.
At least it's not Ajax lmao, now that is an absolute piece of shit
fucking called it
, a bit to late, but it still counts