yeah but the AHEAD ammunition isn't killing with power, it's killing with spread
aside from Laser SHORAD it's pretty much ideal for shooting down drones
>Bunch of mature technologies slapped together to solve a modern solution. It can fire 3P ammo, so yeah, it will work. >Legit the kind of thing Ukraine should be buying
This right here, they are probably hoping it will be bought by nato/eu and donated to Ukraine. What could the unit cost be? 3 MUSD or thereabout? They were shilling it on swedish news in april, it can be used on the ground too.
the only reason this exists is BAE already has a product to quickly adapt for land use, it lacks all the advantages 30x173 offers while not being significantly better like 57 or 76mm would be
>it lacks all the advantages 30x173 offers while not being significantly better like 57 or 76mm would be
Why would it need to? A single 40mm HE shell is equivalent to three 30mm shells.
>Rate of fire is of no importance in modern batteries.
Utterly incorrect. Kindly stop talking about this topic alltogether, all you're doing is proive to everyone that you're a clueless fool.
>Square cube law
Literally doesn't apply anywhere. >Utterly incorrect. >except that the French and Italians are thinking exactly so
Cope harder, Boomer.
Which against fast-moving targets relies on... fire netting. Hence why modern guns fire in bursts, not single shot. moron.
The only thing you need to stop a quadropter is to tear it apart. 40mm is overkill for that.
Ok then explain why Rapidfire and 76mm ciws exist?
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RapidFire is the froggies putting the CTAS40 into everything (it's worse than AHEAD btw, the main selling point is MANPADS integration), and 76 mm can use actual guided rounds, rather than prox fuzed ones.
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The sole purpose of programmable fuse is precision and to avoid the waste of ammo. Even the conventional systems like VADS or Phalanx are only used in burst in orderd to save ammunition, and even that will only enough to intercept a few missiles. Get with the times, Boomer. We don't need extra rate of fire anymore.
This ammo is going to be used to down drones, right?
Why wouldn't I just buy something that uses 35mm AHEAD instead? >larger industry for producing the ammunition >can carry more of them since they're smaller >one shot saturates a large area, a short burst will tear a drone to shreds without needing pinpoint accuracy
This naval turret solution is pretty much a stopgap thing, it's not the ideal.
industry for producing the ammunition
Based on what? Bofors got plenty of active users including UK, Sweden, India, South Korea. >>can carry more of them since they're smaller
As I already said, it's already 3 times more powerful than a single 30mm shell, thus it doesn't need to carry more. >>one shot saturates a large area, a short burst will tear a drone to shreds without needing pinpoint accuracy
It's the polar opposite. Quadropters aren't missiles or artillery shells so it needs more explosives than fragmentation to stop. >>This naval turret solution is pretty much a stopgap thing, it's not the ideal.
Italians would like to disagree with you.
>Why wouldn't I just buy something that uses 35mm AHEAD instead?
Because right now the demand for 34mm AHEAD is really fricking high considering the Gepards and that Ukraine is getting SKYNEX.
So to avoid your limited industrial capacity, you introduce something that hasn't hit its industrial capacity.
There is nothing stopping Ukraine having SKYNEX and Gepard as their main b***h, but them supplementing their GBAD with other systems so that they can max out coverage without putting more strain on already strained supply-chains.
In order to negate the pressure of Russian strikes you need to throw an umbrella up over every power plant, major switching station, gas pumping station (LNG exchanges), train stations, telecom hubs, rail terminals, military base, training ground and two dozen other things. So you buy buy buy. Even if its not the best system or just a stop-gap solution its better than nothing. Were I a Ukrainian acquisitions officer there would already be a check made out to BAE.
>Or you just increase industrial capacity
Lead times for that are huge. If you have one factory maxxed out and another sitting idle, the smart thing to do is use the other factory and not ignore it and start building a new one.
Who cares about the caliber. The future is calling for as many autocannons as physically possible. Put em on everything. There is no actual defense against just shooting bigger bullets.
It would be a sight to see how this would put up aginst Hanwha's latest unmanned 40mm SHORAD system which is also influenced by the navy's twin barrel 40mm turret.
>designed by bongs
>hideous
poetry
It's a repurposed navy gun.
?
>bofors
>bongs
>BAE Systems
>Swedish
Never said that, moron.
Bofors is the swedish part of BAE Systems and the ones responsible for this abomination.
>Abomination
I like it. It's quick, cheap and actually setup to hit things.
Bro that's literally Skynex
Why do krauts always immediately relate everything to theirs?
40mm is still twice as powerful as 35mm.
Because ours is always the best.
>Because ours is always the best.
Explain Puma then.
yeah but the AHEAD ammunition isn't killing with power, it's killing with spread
aside from Laser SHORAD it's pretty much ideal for shooting down drones
the 35mm fire 1000 rpm bursts you dumn frick
>40mm is still twice as powerful as 35mm.
And still 1/10th as efficient.
How many cm's of armor plating are the projected targets equipped with? Even 30mm would be enough to take out a flying T-72.
>Retvrn to wirbelwind
It's more like an ostwind
Wow a tech demo that will never lock in a foreign sale. Great thread OP
>proven track record in maritime warfare
Any of that happen after WW2?
I bet 3P ammo costs $4.5k a round with a production rate of a hundred a month.
>$4.5k a round
Still far cheaper than missiles really.
meanwhile the germans
>30mm
Into the trash it goes.
It's 35mm actually.
Yeah, but the version Germany and France are buying will be in 30mm so bugger off.
I like it.
Bunch of mature technologies slapped together to solve a modern solution. It can fire 3P ammo, so yeah, it will work.
Legit the kind of thing Ukraine should be buying
>Bunch of mature technologies slapped together to solve a modern solution. It can fire 3P ammo, so yeah, it will work.
>Legit the kind of thing Ukraine should be buying
This right here, they are probably hoping it will be bought by nato/eu and donated to Ukraine. What could the unit cost be? 3 MUSD or thereabout? They were shilling it on swedish news in april, it can be used on the ground too.
>This right here
Shut the frick up
stay mad, moron
the only reason this exists is BAE already has a product to quickly adapt for land use, it lacks all the advantages 30x173 offers while not being significantly better like 57 or 76mm would be
they should put it on a leopard 1 chassis
>it lacks all the advantages 30x173 offers while not being significantly better like 57 or 76mm would be
Why would it need to? A single 40mm HE shell is equivalent to three 30mm shells.
no, three times the weight does not mean three times the effectiveness
?It literally says the projectile weight. Also more HE in 1 ammo than divided into 3.
Rate of fire is of no importance in modern batteries. Also, Bofors has up to 300rpm.
>Rate of fire is of no importance in modern batteries
It is though.
Modern day anti air guns don't rely on fire netting, instead we have this thing called programmable fuse.
Which against fast-moving targets relies on... fire netting. Hence why modern guns fire in bursts, not single shot. moron.
Square cube law, moron.
>Rate of fire is of no importance in modern batteries.
Utterly incorrect. Kindly stop talking about this topic alltogether, all you're doing is proive to everyone that you're a clueless fool.
>Square cube law
Literally doesn't apply anywhere.
>Utterly incorrect.
>except that the French and Italians are thinking exactly so
Cope harder, Boomer.
Ok then explain why Rapidfire and 76mm ciws exist?
RapidFire is the froggies putting the CTAS40 into everything (it's worse than AHEAD btw, the main selling point is MANPADS integration), and 76 mm can use actual guided rounds, rather than prox fuzed ones.
The sole purpose of programmable fuse is precision and to avoid the waste of ammo. Even the conventional systems like VADS or Phalanx are only used in burst in orderd to save ammunition, and even that will only enough to intercept a few missiles. Get with the times, Boomer. We don't need extra rate of fire anymore.
This ammo is going to be used to down drones, right?
Why wouldn't I just buy something that uses 35mm AHEAD instead?
>larger industry for producing the ammunition
>can carry more of them since they're smaller
>one shot saturates a large area, a short burst will tear a drone to shreds without needing pinpoint accuracy
This naval turret solution is pretty much a stopgap thing, it's not the ideal.
industry for producing the ammunition
Based on what? Bofors got plenty of active users including UK, Sweden, India, South Korea.
>>can carry more of them since they're smaller
As I already said, it's already 3 times more powerful than a single 30mm shell, thus it doesn't need to carry more.
>>one shot saturates a large area, a short burst will tear a drone to shreds without needing pinpoint accuracy
It's the polar opposite. Quadropters aren't missiles or artillery shells so it needs more explosives than fragmentation to stop.
>>This naval turret solution is pretty much a stopgap thing, it's not the ideal.
Italians would like to disagree with you.
The only thing you need to stop a quadropter is to tear it apart. 40mm is overkill for that.
>Why wouldn't I just buy something that uses 35mm AHEAD instead?
Because right now the demand for 34mm AHEAD is really fricking high considering the Gepards and that Ukraine is getting SKYNEX.
So to avoid your limited industrial capacity, you introduce something that hasn't hit its industrial capacity.
There is nothing stopping Ukraine having SKYNEX and Gepard as their main b***h, but them supplementing their GBAD with other systems so that they can max out coverage without putting more strain on already strained supply-chains.
In order to negate the pressure of Russian strikes you need to throw an umbrella up over every power plant, major switching station, gas pumping station (LNG exchanges), train stations, telecom hubs, rail terminals, military base, training ground and two dozen other things. So you buy buy buy. Even if its not the best system or just a stop-gap solution its better than nothing. Were I a Ukrainian acquisitions officer there would already be a check made out to BAE.
Or you just increase industrial capacity
>Or you just increase industrial capacity
Lead times for that are huge. If you have one factory maxxed out and another sitting idle, the smart thing to do is use the other factory and not ignore it and start building a new one.
french did the same thing, just take a naval turret and slap it on a truck
Who cares about the caliber. The future is calling for as many autocannons as physically possible. Put em on everything. There is no actual defense against just shooting bigger bullets.
>MK2
love it when old prototypes get brought back to life
This thing would be useful for protecting cheap but important targets from drones.
How effective is it against saturation attacks?
It would be a sight to see how this would put up aginst Hanwha's latest unmanned 40mm SHORAD system which is also influenced by the navy's twin barrel 40mm turret.
lmao trying to make shit look cool in meaningless ways is a red flag
But it's not? It's really just a conversion of a 60s design with modern electronics.
Serbs, Serbs everywhere
Have they taken over the position of being the most obnoxius fanboys from the vatniks these days?
Also, nothing new under the sun.