Yknow his solution to the cup problem was actually a lot smarter than you might think, he just didn't share his honest thought process. All that babbling was just a distraction to make himself look arrogant.
>This man is physically extremely dangerous and clever. >He's not actually bound to drink from the poisoned cup. He has nothing to lose by just attacking me if I guess correctly. >What would be the most advantageous position for him if he was going to attack me and call off the game? Me reaching across the table. >Therefore the poison must be in my cup. If I guessed wrong I'd be dead, if I guessed right he'd just grab me when I went for the safe cup. >The only possible way to win is to make him think I've guessed wrong.
He made the best play possible with the resources and information he had.
no he has a reasonable thought process for where Vizzini's head would be at, I agree with that anon
consider: >he just kidnapped a princess and is involved in high-stakes political games >this unknown masked assailant has an intense interest in the princess >he is extremely dangerous, having killed or incapacitated two men Vizzini hired for their exceptional fighting ability >he is also obviously extremely intelligent, and likely willing to cheat in some way to win >he is armed with the longer weapon and is better trained in its use if he was able to beat Inigo
according to game theory, Vizzini made the most optimal choice without the knowledge that iocane powder can have a tolerance built up to it. If iocane was just lethal, then the place where Westley would have put the poison was in front of him, as this does set the game up to ensure Vizzini loses whatever he does. Vizzini's best play therefore is to switch the glasses surreptitiously and then drink his own.
In reality of course, Vizzini had no way out, as he would be dead by drinking either glass, or on the point of Westley's sword. Even then though he STILL made the most rational choice, since his method of accidental suicide in a no-win situation was the most painless. He died thinking he had won, a nice way to go out.
Yknow his solution to the cup problem was actually a lot smarter than you might think, he just didn't share his honest thought process. All that babbling was just a distraction to make himself look arrogant.
>This man is physically extremely dangerous and clever. >He's not actually bound to drink from the poisoned cup. He has nothing to lose by just attacking me if I guess correctly. >What would be the most advantageous position for him if he was going to attack me and call off the game? Me reaching across the table. >Therefore the poison must be in my cup. If I guessed wrong I'd be dead, if I guessed right he'd just grab me when I went for the safe cup. >The only possible way to win is to make him think I've guessed wrong.
He made the best play possible with the resources and information he had.
That's a pretty solid thought process, honestly the movie is so light in a lot of ways that Roberts just grabbing his wrist and jamming a knife in his throat when he reached for the cup didn't occur to me, but it would have been something vizzini had to consider
I had considered that perhaps Vizzini had a chance to attack Westley instead. Given that Vizzini's silly "look! over there!" ruse actually worked, he could have used that opportunity to stab Westley with his dagger instead of switching goblets. However, when I re-watched the scene, Westley was quite far away. Vizzini wouldn't have been able to reach just leaning over the table, he'd have to close distance first and I'm not sure he could have pulled that off.
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I think Vizzini tried the "Look! Over there!" ruse because, being masked, Wesley obviously isn't an official, and therefore has to be concerned about the constabulary. Which works, because Wesley is on edge, and in unfamiliar territory with a hostile Prince presumably searching for the princess.
>There is no value in westerner taking Asian or African land. Simply because the people will constantly revolt.
Greeks held on to Central Asian and AfPak/Indian territory for 300 years. Russians currently own Siberia.
>A
different times >B
In many way similar societies >C
Less of a ruling and more like “we will pay you taxes” >D
Being ruled by a better nation often meant better trade and safety in those times.
Safest time on the Eurasian step was when khan ruled it.
But I see your point, but it’s definitely isn’t the same.
Dude, I agree with you in general that there are wars worth fighting on the matter of principle, but you're a fucking retard if you don't realize the massive benefit the US obtained from the land it took over, and all those resources: gold, iron, timber, oil....
Asia has historically been full of diseases that destroy any non-native army.
Additionally, Asia has always had a lot of people living there meaning that you are almost certainly going to be out numbered.
Given the tech level apparent in the Princess Bride it is probable that there is no tech advantage to speak of between any peer kingdom in the universe and any Asian nation at the relative apparent timeframe if we guess at the time frame involved.
Given all of the above, a land war in Asia is terrible, terrible, idea.
>kek on meeeee
>kek me on
>Today's another day to find you
>meming away
prompt?
never get involved in a land war in asia
Never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line
Yknow his solution to the cup problem was actually a lot smarter than you might think, he just didn't share his honest thought process. All that babbling was just a distraction to make himself look arrogant.
>This man is physically extremely dangerous and clever.
>He's not actually bound to drink from the poisoned cup. He has nothing to lose by just attacking me if I guess correctly.
>What would be the most advantageous position for him if he was going to attack me and call off the game? Me reaching across the table.
>Therefore the poison must be in my cup. If I guessed wrong I'd be dead, if I guessed right he'd just grab me when I went for the safe cup.
>The only possible way to win is to make him think I've guessed wrong.
He made the best play possible with the resources and information he had.
Your whole premise is based on "he will attack me when I reach over the table" and it makes you sound really dumb.
Your premise exists
No?
Ok then
no he has a reasonable thought process for where Vizzini's head would be at, I agree with that anon
consider:
>he just kidnapped a princess and is involved in high-stakes political games
>this unknown masked assailant has an intense interest in the princess
>he is extremely dangerous, having killed or incapacitated two men Vizzini hired for their exceptional fighting ability
>he is also obviously extremely intelligent, and likely willing to cheat in some way to win
>he is armed with the longer weapon and is better trained in its use if he was able to beat Inigo
according to game theory, Vizzini made the most optimal choice without the knowledge that iocane powder can have a tolerance built up to it. If iocane was just lethal, then the place where Westley would have put the poison was in front of him, as this does set the game up to ensure Vizzini loses whatever he does. Vizzini's best play therefore is to switch the glasses surreptitiously and then drink his own.
In reality of course, Vizzini had no way out, as he would be dead by drinking either glass, or on the point of Westley's sword. Even then though he STILL made the most rational choice, since his method of accidental suicide in a no-win situation was the most painless. He died thinking he had won, a nice way to go out.
That's a pretty solid thought process, honestly the movie is so light in a lot of ways that Roberts just grabbing his wrist and jamming a knife in his throat when he reached for the cup didn't occur to me, but it would have been something vizzini had to consider
I had considered that perhaps Vizzini had a chance to attack Westley instead. Given that Vizzini's silly "look! over there!" ruse actually worked, he could have used that opportunity to stab Westley with his dagger instead of switching goblets. However, when I re-watched the scene, Westley was quite far away. Vizzini wouldn't have been able to reach just leaning over the table, he'd have to close distance first and I'm not sure he could have pulled that off.
I think Vizzini tried the "Look! Over there!" ruse because, being masked, Wesley obviously isn't an official, and therefore has to be concerned about the constabulary. Which works, because Wesley is on edge, and in unfamiliar territory with a hostile Prince presumably searching for the princess.
I'd attack the little Sicilian moron if he reached across the table, wouldn't you?
Hahahahahahhhaaaaahah…..*thud*
>anon asks question
>will never get the answer he asked for
>but absolutely will get detailed discussion on cup choice logic and theory
PrepHole
There are only two reasons to go to war.
To take wealth and to steal land.
There is no value in westerner taking Asian or African land. Simply because the people will constantly revolt.
Get in, steal what’s worth it, maybe set up a friendly government, leave.
>There is no value in westerner taking Asian or African land. Simply because the people will constantly revolt.
Greeks held on to Central Asian and AfPak/Indian territory for 300 years. Russians currently own Siberia.
>A
different times
>B
In many way similar societies
>C
Less of a ruling and more like “we will pay you taxes”
>D
Being ruled by a better nation often meant better trade and safety in those times.
Safest time on the Eurasian step was when khan ruled it.
But I see your point, but it’s definitely isn’t the same.
>Africa/Asia
>people
You’re supposed to get rid of invasive pests on your land.
Your correct, best way to take that kind of land is genocide.
It’s jus frowned upon.
It’s not like the native Americans were we just sneeze them away.
Some genocide, there's more of them now than when we started.
>There are only two reasons to go to war.
>To take wealth and to steal land.
Absolutely disgusting imperialism.
The USA exists because we fought for freedom.
That's called a revolution, not an imperial zionist war.
You are so jaded from all these dirty zionist wars that you forget that righteous struggle exists.
Like stopping the nazis or overthrowing your oppressors. Those are wars worth fighting.
These militias are formed voluntarily, we do this because we believe in it, not for a check.
We are actually fighting for what we believe in, and we believe it is the right thing to do.
Dude, I agree with you in general that there are wars worth fighting on the matter of principle, but you're a fucking retard if you don't realize the massive benefit the US obtained from the land it took over, and all those resources: gold, iron, timber, oil....
Asia has historically been full of diseases that destroy any non-native army.
Additionally, Asia has always had a lot of people living there meaning that you are almost certainly going to be out numbered.
Given the tech level apparent in the Princess Bride it is probable that there is no tech advantage to speak of between any peer kingdom in the universe and any Asian nation at the relative apparent timeframe if we guess at the time frame involved.
Given all of the above, a land war in Asia is terrible, terrible, idea.
The point of the entire scene is that he's a retarded italian that has ever gotten anywhere in life by bossing around his even dumber henchmen.