never fucking ever

never fucking ever

  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    how's the gun "lock" anywhy
    looks like a boomer hotload round can blast the shooter face off

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Even if it's capped at 38.special I still love a modern break-down.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If this design worked someone else would have made it by now.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You expect China or Turkey to have competent enough metallurgy to make a break-action revolver that mostly functions because of modern metal?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        If it was worth doing smith & wesson would be doing it. A cool looking break action 357 revolver would fly off the shelves of it didn't shoot itself apart within a box or two. You couldn't keep them in stock.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >If it was worth doing smith & wesson would be doing it.
          Since there aren't any except that overly expensive .357 Mag Webley clone you can't be sure if it is or isn't worth doing. Smith and Wesson makes safe designs they know everyone will buy and won't take risks. They don't even make a .357 Maximum or 445 Super Magnum X-Frame revolver, but I'm sure those would be popular among the big iron crowd as well.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        And you'd expect Russia to?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That's the big question I have, does this even work at all? There is literally no video of anybody firing 357 out of a break action revolver online. I've looked. If it exists I haven't found it. Even with the expensive webly reproduction, there's literally no proof it can actually hold up to shooting magnum loads. Not long term. Not short term. Not even 1 shot.

          You have to believe if it was possible they'd be all over the place. Who the fuck wouldn't want a modernized cowboy gun? Who the fuck wouldn't want a self extracting quick reloading magnum revolver? If you like revolvers at all, and many people do, you'd have to snap it up. I can't imagine how it wouldn't end up being a license to print money for whatever company did it. But we're stuck with guns that technically exist somewhere and theoretically people can buy them but nobody has ever shot one.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            https://i.imgur.com/cAhvrLE.jpg

            I'd rather have pic related.
            But we'll likely never get a modern top break either way.
            But tbh, never say never, all kinds of screwy cool shot I never thought I'd see has come out in recent years

            the big issue of top breaks are barrel pressure blowing the gun in half, right? So how would you mechanically solve this issue, make it a 6 oclock barrel and top load the break keeping the pressure further from the break point?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >make it a 6 oclock barrel and top load the break keeping the pressure further from the break point?
              >make a top break Chiappa Rhino
              Muh dik

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Can the pin that the barrel rotates around handle the stresses of full power 357?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous
              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >posts airshit

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >tfw I just googled Chiappa Rhino and didn't look too close
                Sorry, how do I repent for my sin?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Just post a good picture of a normal one.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Sorry

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                How did the Rhino and 2006M come from the same designer when one is so beautiful and one is so ugly

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                they know it’s ugly by now but it’s not worth tooling up for one that isn’t because there’s no 6’o clock revolver competition.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They might fix it with a new version, the match 38 looks alright, and the base rhino isn't that awful with some small changes, but as is it kinda sucks.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You just know the designer watched anime

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I think 2 things killed it, the weight holes above the barrel on every barrel length that isn't the 2". And their insistence on putting pic rails on the top and/or bottom.
                Both of those features look like shit and probably why I only like the look of the snub.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The grip is also weird as fuck. Maybe if it had a flat bottom is would look better

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Sorry Vash I'f you wanna fight the Nebraska family you're either going to be coping with a top break webley/schofield, or a rhino/mateba with a swing out cylinder.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Vash's gun was in .45 Long Colt, right? Pretty low-pressure round.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                yes, but you can't expect any anime nips would have experianced shooting .45lc along side a .357 mag to see the difference in Hispanicyness. I guess it actually makes sense though since vash mainly used his gun conventionally as a "less lethal" weapon or for trick shots, and then had the destroyer of world's mode for when shit went sideways.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >So how would you mechanically solve this issue,
              If metallurgy can't solve this issue then I'm a duck.

              It's an easy mechanical problem too, each side only has to hold /2 the chamber pressure max which is
              >357 Magnum - 35,000
              http://www.lasc.us/SAAMIMaxPressure.htm

              That's 17,500 psi tensile within an elastic envelope of the cross-section needed to make a pistol.

              There is no way that's not an off-the-shelf, I hae a tiny mill in my basement problem.

              Now i look up steel samples and find this is wildly out of bounds to the cross-sectional area of a pistol? Is that the gotcha?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If i'm reading correctly, 4140, which appears to be a common and well known steel, apparently cheap in some quarters, says
                >60,000 kpsi yield
                at the weakest.

                So it looks like 1/3 in^2 of 4140 is needed at each pin to repeatedly fire the gun at max recc chamber pressure.

                How is this not a done deal a long time ago?

                >used in 1920s' aircraft frames and automotive axles in addition to rifle barrels.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >How is this not a done deal a long time ago?
                The problem is not the strength at the hinge, as you found out that is fucking simple. The problem is making a latch that doesn't allow any movement whatsoever so that the two haves of the frame don't start battering each other during firing. The hinge is simple, the latch is the bitch. Not that it's impossible to make, people did this shit over a century ago. It's just tedious hand fitting with skilled labor which is prohibitively expensive these days.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                and that's 213 mm^2 with a 14% margin of safety.

                That's a 16.5mm pin of 4140.

                >How is this not a done deal a long time ago?
                The problem is not the strength at the hinge, as you found out that is fucking simple. The problem is making a latch that doesn't allow any movement whatsoever so that the two haves of the frame don't start battering each other during firing. The hinge is simple, the latch is the bitch. Not that it's impossible to make, people did this shit over a century ago. It's just tedious hand fitting with skilled labor which is prohibitively expensive these days.

                skinner uniflow engines use taper on huge cylinders and pistons to account for reduced during expansion, basicallly fine-tuning Watt's improvement to Newcomen's idea etc, so taper boring is a widely-understood principle.

                The locking mechanism on a bolt-action rifle just needs to be turned sideways and present a 16.5mm cross-section in tension.

                You could use an interrupted screw like a Wellin breech block to lock it, either orientation, another technology perfected >100 years ago. Without hand-fitting either, production on machine tools.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                screw it I have a design in mind already I'm patenting it.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >so taper boring is a widely-understood principle.
                Taper pins absolutely would work, again, people did that over a century ago.
                Go look up how the Bland-Pryse revolver latches up if you aren't already familiar.

                >Wellin breech block to lock it, either orientation, another technology perfected >100 years ago.
                Absolutely.

                >Without hand-fitting either, production on machine tools.
                Most of the production, sure. but whatever lever you expect the shooter to interact with to open the gun will not be clocked properly without some degree of hand fitting.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You are also doing the wrong math.
                The forces that the latch and hinge need to hold is equal to the case head thrust. That's the pressure of the round (35,000 psi) multiplied by the area of the case head. The rim doesn't count towards this; the base diameter of a .357 magnum case is .379 inches which has an area of .113 sq. inches. So, 35,000 x .113 = 3955 lbs. That's how much force is trying to pull the frame apart each time the gun is fired and it is divided between the cylinder latch and the hinge pin. Whichever one of those the barrel is closest to will bear the brunt of the force.

                For comparison's sake take a ..45 long colt (there are plenty of those on the market as break actions). Base diameter .480 inches = case head area of .181 sq. inches. 14,000 psi x .181 = 2500 lbs, much weaker than what a .357 has to handle.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Not 'wrong' so much as 'max' possible conceptually. I didn't have to go down using .357 which is what I would have done then verified it using search then found 'case head press' etc, because at the worst possible case, there is more than enough room to solve the problem with already designed firearm mechanisms using already common metals.

                It's an easy problem, I'm firing up SW right now and I'll have 6 examples tested in India by next Friday.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I wish you luck, seriously. But I predict your guns are going to quickly batter themselves to death because you will not maintain zero play in the latch. Either that or they are going to be silly awkward to use. It's not making the parts withstand the pressures that are the hard part, it's making them stay tight under fatigue. People already make break-action guns that handle way more power than this revolver (see double rifles, for example) but they're not doing it with cheapo pajeet labor.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Oh, and speaking of wishing you luck, go look up the Bissell Rising Bite, this is a 3rd fastener for double guns but it also has a lot of potential as a sleek locking method for a top-break revolver.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Interesting to think about the problem. Seems like built-in adjustment for both pins is the answer. They could be identical mauser bolt mechanisms, sideways, the bottom one with a screw adjuster for ocassional tightening, the top one would have a mini lever just like the rifle, to pull the tapered bolt out, and also have a screw adjuster. Spring-loaded with a nice little 'snick'.

                The bottom pin could be 'eccentric' machined, and held in torsion with a spring. The bottom of the cylinder tip could have a similar eccentricity in the housing. As you close it, the cam action tightens against the spring and tightens the pin mount. The recoil force would be against the frame, not the spring, for a long time as the frame and pin wore out.

                etc.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >the big issue of top breaks are barrel pressure blowing the gun in half, right?
              No.
              It's the latch coming loose after repeated firings. This is not an impossible problem to solve, it's just expensive because of the tolerances required. If there is any play at all in the latch then the parts will batter themselves apart because of the loose fit. That means careful hand fitting for every gun made. Not impossible, just prohibitively expensive.

              >make it a 6 oclock barrel and top load the break keeping the pressure further from the break point?
              That would help as it would reduce the forces on the latch. But you still need a very precise fit.

              Can the pin that the barrel rotates around handle the stresses of full power 357?

              Easily. Hinge pins hold full power elephant guns together.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Couldn't you just have something akin to a takedown pin for an AR? Sure it wouldn't be tight as dick but it doesn't really matter if the pin is solid enough

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It needs to be tight as dick. Otherwise it's just a matter of round count before fatigue breaks the pin or deforms the holes.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There are cope options, though.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      These are for quick draw and target shooting competitions, retard.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The first one isn't for anything, the 2nd was a plinker with a notoriously heavy DA trigger, and why do you think what you said would even be relevant if it was true?

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It is possible, but more expensive than people would be willing to pay for after tooling up, for little added benefit. People who care about reload speeds tend to shy away from revolvers anyway.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's not about reload speed or minmaxing, it's about cool guns and soul.
      Post your collection so I can laugh at your 5 polymer striker guns and 7 ARs.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    revolvers are gay

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      So was this gun entirely conceptual or were some actually sold within Russia?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        i think there was like less then 30 total

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This is a gun for a cool cyberpunk dystopia. We are in a gay cyberpunk dystopia.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'd rather have pic related.
    But we'll likely never get a modern top break either way.
    But tbh, never say never, all kinds of screwy cool shot I never thought I'd see has come out in recent years

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >44 mag top break
      I get trying something with 357, but 44? How the FUCK would it work?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        [...]
        the big issue of top breaks are barrel pressure blowing the gun in half, right? So how would you mechanically solve this issue, make it a 6 oclock barrel and top load the break keeping the pressure further from the break point?

        The same way break action rifles don’t explode.
        Proper engineering I know it’s understood that break action frames are “weaker” than solid frames but they aren’t inherently non-functional.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      "When a Webley and a Redhawk love each other very much..."

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >tfw will never ever own a mateba mtr-8
    How come cool revolvers always seem to be unobtainium?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I was pissed, there was one on GB earlier this year which went for 5k flat. I was really tempted to bid on it but I decided to hold off to see if anything better came up at RIA premiere....but nope. Nothing of interest at all. 5k ain't cheap but it was an excellent price given what they were going for these days.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If I got a business loan and started a company just making a top break .357 would it be profitable?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Do it but instead of doing Model 3 and Webley lookalikes, make it the aesthetic equivalent of this. The ideal use for a bottom barrel top break revolver is police action against rogue cyborgs.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Don’t make nickel plated and blackened .45 colt AGL Arms look-a-likes
          Also there’s a super simple solution, make a compound latch(like on a tool box) with a locking lever out of spring steel, and make it a cheap as fuck part to be replaced every 100-500 rounds.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Man, I don't want to replace parts on a gun every time I go to the range.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah, this for real

            Man, I don't want to replace parts on a gun every time I go to the range.

            .

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >and make it a cheap as fuck part to be replaced every 100-500 rounds.
            Not a wise idea, here's what's gonna happen: a bunch of idiots who bought the gun but didn't read the manual had no idea you had to replace the latch, so they don't. Then they start bitching about the quality of your product online. Now even though it's their fault for not reading the fucking manual, the court of public opinion won't care about that and your company's reputation will take the hit instead. And that's only until someone's gun explodes on them because of a worn-out latch, and then you've got multimillion dollar legal bills to work out on your balance sheet.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              No, dude. You don’t *HAVE* to replace the top latch(well, until it develops a crack). The whole point is that there’s preload on the latch so you can have a loose hinge assembly without it beating itself into the next millennium through your face.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >don't replace latch
                >latch cracks
                >frame beats the shit out of itself
                >fucking explodes, see

                >and make it a cheap as fuck part to be replaced every 100-500 rounds.


                Not a wise idea, here's what's gonna happen: a bunch of idiots who bought the gun but didn't read the manual had no idea you had to replace the latch, so they don't. Then they start bitching about the quality of your product online. Now even though it's their fault for not reading the fucking manual, the court of public opinion won't care about that and your company's reputation will take the hit instead. And that's only until someone's gun explodes on them because of a worn-out latch, and then you've got multimillion dollar legal bills to work out on your balance sheet. for results

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You have to be retarded to think this is acceptable.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >How come cool revolvers always seem to be unobtainium?
      your poor?
      dude you can buy a mateba right now yeah its 4 or 5 grand cuase.....its an odd non combat worthy gun so it wasnt widely accepted

      but its not 16 or 20k like a full auto gun worth owning is

      you can get a mr73 and its 3k.

      they are the least popular type of modern arms. fudds and boomers are mostly into them. they are old and thus they have higher psending power than you or I, in general.

      if it was important to you....you would save up

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      probably because it has the same OAL as a 4" revolver while having a 1" barrel dude that gun is fucking retarded

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Yet another top break revolver thread
    Rule of cool fags reliably do not put their money where their mouths are and that's why it's never happening. I'd be extremely interested to know what percentage of the people who opine about top break revolvers own any revolver in the first place.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >implying I wouldn't own a revolver if there was a top break in .357

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >implying
        I outright stated it.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You can't buy a product that doesn't exist.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Buy the products that do exist if you want more similar guns to be produced.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Want .357 Mag Webley
          >Buy Smith and Wesson 686
          >"Look at all the people buying 686s. I guess we should keep making those instead of new designs!" - Smith and Wesson management
          The only other option for your retarded scenario is buying the $4500 Webley clone or buying a Uberti Schofield in 45 Colt. Either way isn't going to make manufacturers produce what we want.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Ain't anyone but you talking about the 686. You want a Webley then buy that Webley.
            >But I don't want to put my money where my mouth is
            I know, and so do manufacturers.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I would buy a heritage arms Zamak frame .22lr Webley for $200 all day long

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    T/C Contenders handle .223, .357 Maximum, .45-70, .309 JDJ etc without issue. They have a big pin up front and a latch under the barrel in line with the pin. Could a similar mechanism work with the latch on a rod through the center of the cylinder? One challenge would be also fitting a hand/pawl to rotate the cylinder into the same area.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    dang

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What revolvers would you guys recommend for just fun?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Taurus makes a 357mag revolver that comes with an extra 9mm cylinder so that you can use it to shoot 357mag, 38spl or 9mm on moon clips. I already have a nice smith but I was thinking about getting one because 357mag ammo has been such a pain in the ass to find and it would be bice to have a gun that takes moon clips, plus it might be fun to get some really fuckin hot 9mm+p+ ammo in it.

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