Translator software fuckup.
In Russian, Hebrew name Abraham is written as Abram.
When translating from Russian to English, software assumes "Abrams" stands for multiple people named Abraham, and corrects it to English version of the name.
Could be a religious thing referring to Abraham from the bible.
Don't go full Evangelion anons.
Its the autocorrect from ESLs like me. You need to write "Abrams" a few times before your local keyboard "learn" the new word. If not, it changes it to "Abrahams". The average Russian or pajeet don't usually write "Abrams" because their moon runes so it's a good way to spot them.
>four score and seven years ago. Our fathers brought forth, upon this continent, a new tank, conceived in russian blood, and dedicated to the proposition that all ziggers must die in totality and perpetuity
>I'm surprised they haven't already spammed old pictures from Iraq etc.
Give it time, they spammed that one Turkish Leo2A4 but edited it into a video as an overlay combined with color shifting.
>I'm surprised they haven't already spammed old pictures from Iraq etc.
1 month ago
Anonymous
These were from February btw.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>According to the source, the driver was an African American who was not left alive
kek Russians are so absolutely obsessed with the "black HATO polish tranny mercenaries" that they even fantasize about naggers in their already fake posts.
1 month ago
Anonymous
You know what's fucking crazy? So few western tanks, let alone the Abrams, have ever been destroyed that we instantly recognize where they're from.
Think about that for a moment.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Tanks just don't really fight tanks much in American wars anymore.
In the Middle-East, tanks usually got beaten before armor even got close by air support, and any engagements the Abrams got in would usually be against shit like the T-72, which stopped being produced before the Abrams even started.
Who knows, maybe there will be modern Abrams tank engagements, but Russia has already lost so many T-90s that I wouldn't be surprised if they weren't just fighting T-72s again.
1 month ago
Anonymous
> the T-72, which stopped being produced before the Abrams even started
T-72s are still being produced to this day
1 month ago
Anonymous
My apologies, I was reading the design period.
I'm less of a tank autist, and more of a cold-war era rifle/niche pistol autist.
1 month ago
Anonymous
They purposefully don't send many T-90s to Ukraine so that they won't have an abysmal battlefield reputation. They sell T-90s to other countries, and them losing tons of them would hurt sales, plus they wouldn't preform any better against modern threats than the newest and most modern T-72s anyway.
1 month ago
Anonymous
They've put a few T-90s into this Avdiivka push though, looks like they were hoping this would be their big win to show off their tech.
1 month ago
Anonymous
anon they jacked a shipment of T90s that were supposed to go to India just so they could send them to the front line instead
the reason you aren't seeing lots of T90s in Ukraine is because Russia doesn't have and cannot make lots of T90s, the ones you are seeing are all they've got
1 month ago
Anonymous
Most existing pictures are in sandboxes. Faking woodland camo and woodlands would be too noticeable
They're there for the Russian counter-attack. Because Putin, in his infinite wisdom, has demanded that his banan is captured by the end of the year. Adviika is a key part of this. So expect Russia to go hell for leather trying to take it so they can proclaim a win.
There was some Finnish autist who did a run down on the situation which tl;dr as 'the West needs to grow some balls, state what the goal of this war is for Ukraine and provide the means to achieve it, because Russia has millions of people they'll happily conscript and send to die, regardless of the terrible situation their armed forces are in and Putin needs a PR win for his rigged elections'.
>Putin needs a PR win for his rigged elections
this part just can't make any sense to me. he's had 200% ratings all over the place for as long as he's been at the helm, why the fuck would he need any kind of propaganda victory
Basically the shit is rigged, right? But you've got to pretend it isn't rigged. So you need a way to make it seem reasonable to idiots that >Oh well they voted for him because of X
The fact X is meaningless is irrelevant, it gives enough 'legitimacy' that it works. In this case, he wants the Adviika situation so he can go >See, we're winning this war
And then everybody can go >Oh good, we don't need to worry about it, we're winning, so we won't need to vote for a guy who will look for a peaceful solution that would embarrass us!
There. That's basically it. It's rigged and he will never lose. But he needs to get across that Russia is winning and the best way to do that is to proclaim the capture of some irrelevant town.
Dictatorships are a funny thing. Image is everything. Regardless of what happens with this war, Russia is going to be an interesting place when Putin dies.
for a lot of the world it got memory holed pretty quick but when Putin returned to power and replaced Medvedev there were pretty substantial protests in Moscow and you had prominent Western politicians like Hillary calling on Putin to step down or be removed as his return was a pretty clear end run around the intent of the Russian constitution
Putin unironically never got over this and in his mind it is intimately tied to the removal of other autocratic figures like Gaddafi and Saddam, he genuinely seems to believe that political agency in a population is impossible and the protests had to be driven by Western intelligence services. people forget the Russian Federation wasn't always the overt autocratic mafia state it has become, it was a struggling democracy to begin with but has been degrading for years at this point. Putin came to power by false flagging domestic terrorism against his own population and has reached the point where they are continuously actively rewriting the constitution to allow him to remain in power. its genuinely baffling to the Western mind how much the population genuinely trusts him to lead though, the first thing the man did as reprisal for the Magnitsky act was to block the adoption of Russian orphans by Westerners - he used his own country's most desperate children as leverage to try to enable his underlings to continue their predation and graft and luxurious lifestyles outside of Russia.
Sometimes in a moment of weakness I feel sorry for these people.
I get that living in Russia of the 90s and early 00s was a nightmare unless you were a mafia boss (with a knack for survival) or novye russkie, but there's just something incredibly depressing about the pathetically servile, simpering way they latched onto the first person who told them they're great and it's everyone else's fault life in Russia sucks and kicked their even shittier neighbor in the ribs and convinced everyone he was dabbing on the evil west by doing so.
For all of Solzhenitsyn's faults he was right about one thing: never put a politician on a pedestal. He's not your hero or your savior and he sure as fuck isn't your friend.
What’s important to note is that as crafty as Putin was in his rise to power, the leftover crumbling security apparatus of the old guard kind of crafted a Putin into being. He was deft at taking town any rivals but Putin himself is almost a post 90’s/ post Soviet state project. People were yearning at the time for the old sense of power they once had and he was happy to oblige to that calling. So to what you’re saying they were hungry for a Putin, just goes to show a strongman doesn’t appear out of thin air.
>but it's already wet as fuck in ukraine what are they gonna do now?
win all the tank engagements they never get in, explode due to mines and arty, get dunked on for not being wonderwaffles even though any fucking tank in the world would explode to mines and arty. next question?
For the love of god I hope Ukraine uses this intelligently instead of another slavcore minefield rush. The internet will be unusable if one of these gets knocked out.
>mclics and engineers clear a path as much as possible >move out in a column, because you have to follow said path >get knocked out by Kamovs and artillery, because you're the poorest country in Europe and your supporters haven't provided you with necessary equipment
Abrams are cool but Ukraine doesnt have the manpower for a breakthrough.
They can keep defending until Russia slowly but steadily overwhelms them with bodies.
Do you actually have a viable idea how Ukraine could push out the Russians?
Their counteroffensive in the south had minimal gains, if they had at least taken Tokmak I wouldnt be this sceptical.
>Tokmak can be resupplied even if the Ukies had it semi encircled, like a reverse Bakhmut.
Diagram that out for us. Let's see exactly how that "works" in your world.
1 month ago
Anonymous
What part do you not understand?
1 month ago
Anonymous
Anon not all roads and railways have the same capacity.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>Anon not all roads and railways have the same capacity.
... therefore tokmak can be cut off without being encircled to the same extent as kherson? get real bro.
1 month ago
Anonymous
I understand the part where (You) are profoundly retarded ... pretty much what I expected when I laid the bait.
1 month ago
Anonymous
What bait have you laid? how do you think showing me that there's two major roads to the south of the town proves its just as easy to cut it off as Kherson, a much larger city connected by one bridge?
1 month ago
Anonymous
Do you know what this is?
That is a railway bridge about 20 km south of Tokmak. And the only way over the Molocchna river to supply said city, should it be "semi-circled".
One missile into this bridge and the city is on it's own.
Russian military is heavily reliant on railways to do it's supply runs. That's why they have difficulties conducting operations anywhere further than ~80 km (50 miles) from their railway lines. If that bridge goes and Tokmak gets "semi-circled", they would have to get the railway cars to the west banks of that river, unload their supplies there, transport the goods little by little over the river using pontooning (and we know how that can go), then load the supplies to cars on the other side and then transport them to the city. And they are not using Pallets to do any of that. Pidor has to carry each crate by hands. Yeah, good luck.
Oh, and they might not even need missiles. Although the bridge is definently wihtin HIMARS range, it might already be within Ukie conventional artillery range. It's only ~45 km from Novoprokopivka.
1 month ago
Anonymous
the Ukrainians aren't blowing the bridge for a reason, it would slow them down massively if they try to counter attack and its really hard to blow a bridge entirely. Russians got really good at patching rail sections as well so it's probably a matter of just conserving ammunition and hitting either side of the bridge.
1 month ago
Anonymous
"Patching rail sections" is in no way equivalent to "rebuilding a rail bridge." Are you Tardlord the Copewarrior? Because your statement is every bit THAT delusional. nobody is going to re-build a railroad bridge while under artillery and HIMARS fire. Every locomotive engine that gets sent into range will experience tungsten rain and become instant scrap metal.
In fact, I hope the vatnaggers are THAT retarded ... send half a dozen or a dozen locomotives straight into artillery barrages & HIMARS kill zones. I would love to see a new category on the vatnagger loss charts, right next to "Submarines killed by a nation without a Navy," with "Choo-choo trains converted to shredded steel."
1 month ago
Anonymous
So why aren't Ukrainians doing all the things you describe?
keeping the tokmak rail junction inoperable is what's important and that can be done from where the ukies are now
The whole reason that Russia kept launching those suicide rushes at robotnye and then switched to launching them at avdiivka instead is because they absolutely have to force the ukies out of at least one of those positions or risk losing everything between Tokmak and Donetsk city
Keep grinding down russians, even at your own expense, if the alternative to a pyrrhic victory is sucking vatnig dick then by all means, everyone in Ukraine has it clear, western support or not.
You see, in truth, this was never about what the world thinks, what you or I think, why yes, we come here to throw shit to each other and pretend our little opinions and virtue signalling means something, damn so satisfying.
This is instead about what the ones directly involved in the war think, something which apparently hasn't crossed russians minds, or maybe yes, who knows, what they were expecting? That you could justify throwing ballistic missiles at some apartment complex in Kyiv by arguing you were fighting Zelensky nazi regime? Heh, a father who just have seen the mangled body of his son removed from the ruins of his little world isn't going to listen to what some /chug/ chickenshits have to say, they aren't going to whine about israelites or trons or nogs or whatever, what he is going to do is go to the closest recruitment center and tell the guy in charge to give him an AKM and some magazines and send him to the front so he can hunt down some of the subhumans who ruined his life and God maybe he may die but he will fucking drag some of this vermin down with him with our without NATO surplus.
So yeah, but by all means, keep posting here, we like to go in all sort of fights.
Pic related, what the average ukrainian want to do with all these russians who decided to invite themselves into their country.
Keep grinding down russians, even at your own expense, if the alternative to a pyrrhic victory is sucking vatnig dick then by all means, everyone in Ukraine has it clear, western support or not.
You see, in truth, this was never about what the world thinks, what you or I think, why yes, we come here to throw shit to each other and pretend our little opinions and virtue signalling means something, damn so satisfying.
This is instead about what the ones directly involved in the war think, something which apparently hasn't crossed russians minds, or maybe yes, who knows, what they were expecting? That you could justify throwing ballistic missiles at some apartment complex in Kyiv by arguing you were fighting Zelensky nazi regime? Heh, a father who just have seen the mangled body of his son removed from the ruins of his little world isn't going to listen to what some /chug/ chickenshits have to say, they aren't going to whine about israelites or trons or nogs or whatever, what he is going to do is go to the closest recruitment center and tell the guy in charge to give him an AKM and some magazines and send him to the front so he can hunt down some of the subhumans who ruined his life and God maybe he may die but he will fucking drag some of this vermin down with him with our without NATO surplus.
So yeah, but by all means, keep posting here, we like to go in all sort of fights.
Pic related, what the average ukrainian want to do with all these russians who decided to invite themselves into their country.
When the USSR was leaving Afghanistan, the Sov diplomat pleaded with the Muj to stop attacking their troops. "We are leaving, why are you still attacking us?" The Muj commander replied," you are leaving because we are killing you, we will continue to kill you until you are gone."
They only lost like what a quarter of the people in Afghanistan?
The amount they are pushing their economy to like 20+% of GDP is insane. They hare cut off from a lot of products they need to keep their gas and oil futures intact. (They can work around the sanctions but it costs more and is far less to stale and time table friendly)
It is telling that the Russian Shills have changed from they will beat and take Ukraine down to.
>There is no way for you to win >Just give up >please stop the killing of Russians >The west will get bored better give up and let us rape and kill you
>they've got the entirety of the 80's era US Army arsenal at this point
I doubt it's even 5%. Might be in some specific munitions, though. But overall, so far it's a fraction. There's still more committed and will be delivered. It's in the pipeline and can't be stopped for a while now. I'd hope we reach 50% of our 80's stock. That'd be great to put it all to use instead of decommissioning & maintaining it.
Then where F-16? Where F-15? Where F-14? Where 203mm W79 Mod 0 enhanced radiation weapon? Where landmines full of VX nerve agents (it was acceptable in the 80s)?
>Where landmines full of VX nerve agents (it was acceptable in the 80s)
Nerve gas mines and no Hughes Amendment (at least for the first half). Fuck me, bros. I wanna go back.
What are the chances they'll only be held as rearguard so that it will be the only Western tank not to be abandoneered or get hit by an attack helicopter/artillery/Lancet?
Then when Ukraine starts winning, they'll show the Abrams rolling around alongside other US vehicles.
>multiple impacts >only taken out after the crew abandoned it and sabotaged it >even then an internal explosion wasn't enough to cause any visible damage to it
God damn, the fuck is that thing made out of?
American RHA, aka literally the best armor plate steel in the world, because we have the money and industry to do that shit properly, meticulously and at scale.
Thats how tanks are supposed to be, tough, durable and recoverable. Russian doctrince simply does not work that way though so they build their tanks to be disposable and treat the crew the same.
Nta. A few hundred died in prison in that missile attack but lots of regular azov naggers have been exchanged already, included some civilians that were in azovstal.
Because it's a meme.. Because in urban/semi-urban areas the doctrine dictates that tanks should work with the infantry. And at stand-off ranges, fighting other tanks, it's not needed.
>in urban/semi-urban areas the doctrine dictates that tanks should work with the infantry
But tanks will still get hit because the infantry won't be able to protect them perfectly at all times. >b-but muh ERA hurts muh squishy little infantry!
Saving a tank and potentially(!) endangering some infantry seems preferable to losing a tank and maybe the crew + nearby infantry
ERA is very dangerous to infantry nearby. There is the TUSK kit with at least two generations of ERA but its special use. Adding ERA to tanks is either implicitly accepting you aren't fully commiting to combined arms or it means you dgaf about your infantry.
abrahams
There's a guy on telegraph's Ukraine podcast who keeps calling them this
It's a meme at this point, Russians and poos keep calling them Abrahams for some reason.
some news outlets in the uk and australia were calling them abrahams as well
Could be a religious thing referring to Abraham from the bible.
Its due to autocorrect bullshit. I assume ESLs just found abrahams in their autocorrect and assume its the right thing.
Translator software fuckup.
In Russian, Hebrew name Abraham is written as Abram.
When translating from Russian to English, software assumes "Abrams" stands for multiple people named Abraham, and corrects it to English version of the name.
Don't go full Evangelion anons.
Its the autocorrect from ESLs like me. You need to write "Abrams" a few times before your local keyboard "learn" the new word. If not, it changes it to "Abrahams". The average Russian or pajeet don't usually write "Abrams" because their moon runes so it's a good way to spot them.
>four score and seven years ago. Our fathers brought forth, upon this continent, a new tank, conceived in russian blood, and dedicated to the proposition that all ziggers must die in totality and perpetuity
>guy on telegraph's Ukraine podcast
He does it sarcastically, iirc
Also luv that pod, but no, I'm never buying their paper.
I know several SEAfriends and other thirdies who do as well
I think that all of them just assume it's named after Lincoln
armored fist has arrived ..?
don't promise kino you can't deliver, anon
>armored fist
Loved that game
Abrams and a belt buckle. What does it mean?
Ukrainian 5th Tank Brigade coat of arms.
Isn't that the bong one? Wtf
idk about bongs, but Ukies are big on maces. Maces.
It's Ukrainian Armoured/Tank forces logo - a plate gauntlet holding a mace.
The pants are off. The balls are boiling. The ass is ass. He's going to sex the tank
The chappless ass is chapped
>What does it mean?
Maiden. As. Fuck.
>(or something in Ukrainian to that effect)
I eagerly await footage
but it's already wet as fuck in ukraine what's they're gonna do now?
explode
This is also acceptable, so long as it is in the service of denying a lot of young Russians a future and a chance to breed.
It's what tanks do. The difference is, the crew is more likely to survive in Abrams than T-72, when it explodes.
Yes but ziggers will post 600 threads when the first destroyed abrams appears
Seriously when is the Abrams going to get some action? They've been blueballing us for ages now.
I'm surprised they haven't already spammed old pictures from Iraq etc.
they have been, just not here lol
same as they claimed they destroyed the first bradleys in november of 2022
>I'm surprised they haven't already spammed old pictures from Iraq etc.
Give it time, they spammed that one Turkish Leo2A4 but edited it into a video as an overlay combined with color shifting.
>I'm surprised they haven't already spammed old pictures from Iraq etc.
These were from February btw.
>According to the source, the driver was an African American who was not left alive
kek Russians are so absolutely obsessed with the "black HATO polish tranny mercenaries" that they even fantasize about naggers in their already fake posts.
You know what's fucking crazy? So few western tanks, let alone the Abrams, have ever been destroyed that we instantly recognize where they're from.
Think about that for a moment.
Tanks just don't really fight tanks much in American wars anymore.
In the Middle-East, tanks usually got beaten before armor even got close by air support, and any engagements the Abrams got in would usually be against shit like the T-72, which stopped being produced before the Abrams even started.
Who knows, maybe there will be modern Abrams tank engagements, but Russia has already lost so many T-90s that I wouldn't be surprised if they weren't just fighting T-72s again.
> the T-72, which stopped being produced before the Abrams even started
T-72s are still being produced to this day
My apologies, I was reading the design period.
I'm less of a tank autist, and more of a cold-war era rifle/niche pistol autist.
They purposefully don't send many T-90s to Ukraine so that they won't have an abysmal battlefield reputation. They sell T-90s to other countries, and them losing tons of them would hurt sales, plus they wouldn't preform any better against modern threats than the newest and most modern T-72s anyway.
They've put a few T-90s into this Avdiivka push though, looks like they were hoping this would be their big win to show off their tech.
anon they jacked a shipment of T90s that were supposed to go to India just so they could send them to the front line instead
the reason you aren't seeing lots of T90s in Ukraine is because Russia doesn't have and cannot make lots of T90s, the ones you are seeing are all they've got
Most existing pictures are in sandboxes. Faking woodland camo and woodlands would be too noticeable
>pic rel
When soil is mud, the abrams just pushes the mine deeper into the soil instead of setting it off. Most brilliant western engineering
They're there for the Russian counter-attack. Because Putin, in his infinite wisdom, has demanded that his banan is captured by the end of the year. Adviika is a key part of this. So expect Russia to go hell for leather trying to take it so they can proclaim a win.
There was some Finnish autist who did a run down on the situation which tl;dr as 'the West needs to grow some balls, state what the goal of this war is for Ukraine and provide the means to achieve it, because Russia has millions of people they'll happily conscript and send to die, regardless of the terrible situation their armed forces are in and Putin needs a PR win for his rigged elections'.
>Putin needs a PR win for his rigged elections
this part just can't make any sense to me. he's had 200% ratings all over the place for as long as he's been at the helm, why the fuck would he need any kind of propaganda victory
Basically the shit is rigged, right? But you've got to pretend it isn't rigged. So you need a way to make it seem reasonable to idiots that
>Oh well they voted for him because of X
The fact X is meaningless is irrelevant, it gives enough 'legitimacy' that it works. In this case, he wants the Adviika situation so he can go
>See, we're winning this war
And then everybody can go
>Oh good, we don't need to worry about it, we're winning, so we won't need to vote for a guy who will look for a peaceful solution that would embarrass us!
There. That's basically it. It's rigged and he will never lose. But he needs to get across that Russia is winning and the best way to do that is to proclaim the capture of some irrelevant town.
i understand the words that you're saying but i just can't fucking comprehend it.
Dictatorships are a funny thing. Image is everything. Regardless of what happens with this war, Russia is going to be an interesting place when Putin dies.
You can only get away with rigging elections so long as enough people are willing to let you get away with it, basically.
You need copious prenatal exposure to alcohol followed by malnutrition combined with a poor education for it all to really click.
I have decided to comprehend it as pic related.
for a lot of the world it got memory holed pretty quick but when Putin returned to power and replaced Medvedev there were pretty substantial protests in Moscow and you had prominent Western politicians like Hillary calling on Putin to step down or be removed as his return was a pretty clear end run around the intent of the Russian constitution
Putin unironically never got over this and in his mind it is intimately tied to the removal of other autocratic figures like Gaddafi and Saddam, he genuinely seems to believe that political agency in a population is impossible and the protests had to be driven by Western intelligence services. people forget the Russian Federation wasn't always the overt autocratic mafia state it has become, it was a struggling democracy to begin with but has been degrading for years at this point. Putin came to power by false flagging domestic terrorism against his own population and has reached the point where they are continuously actively rewriting the constitution to allow him to remain in power. its genuinely baffling to the Western mind how much the population genuinely trusts him to lead though, the first thing the man did as reprisal for the Magnitsky act was to block the adoption of Russian orphans by Westerners - he used his own country's most desperate children as leverage to try to enable his underlings to continue their predation and graft and luxurious lifestyles outside of Russia.
Sometimes in a moment of weakness I feel sorry for these people.
I get that living in Russia of the 90s and early 00s was a nightmare unless you were a mafia boss (with a knack for survival) or novye russkie, but there's just something incredibly depressing about the pathetically servile, simpering way they latched onto the first person who told them they're great and it's everyone else's fault life in Russia sucks and kicked their even shittier neighbor in the ribs and convinced everyone he was dabbing on the evil west by doing so.
For all of Solzhenitsyn's faults he was right about one thing: never put a politician on a pedestal. He's not your hero or your savior and he sure as fuck isn't your friend.
What’s important to note is that as crafty as Putin was in his rise to power, the leftover crumbling security apparatus of the old guard kind of crafted a Putin into being. He was deft at taking town any rivals but Putin himself is almost a post 90’s/ post Soviet state project. People were yearning at the time for the old sense of power they once had and he was happy to oblige to that calling. So to what you’re saying they were hungry for a Putin, just goes to show a strongman doesn’t appear out of thin air.
Well put
Russia has been a struggling democracy since 1905
>but it's already wet as fuck in ukraine what are they gonna do now?
win all the tank engagements they never get in, explode due to mines and arty, get dunked on for not being wonderwaffles even though any fucking tank in the world would explode to mines and arty. next question?
Abrams have good weight distribution
Nothing yet, but
Unironically a column of Abrams could capture Moscow and there would be nothing monke could do about it aside from bomb his own capital
abrahams
Sweet, I can’t wait to see 3000 times the same blurry pic of burnt Abrahims.
Thx O’Biden!
Based. Have fun reaping the mobik harvest, anon
>pic
How did it work out for them?
Took fewer losses than the vatniks attacking them, then the survivors got to come home to be national heroes. Sorry to disappoint you, Ivan :^)
you guys are such try hard homosexuals lol
>try hard
Tryhard is one word, Ranjesh
I want to see a M1 crush mobiks in a trench, like our Lord intended.
Link to the video?
https://www.youtube.com/@k2_bat/videos
scroll to "7 month ago"
You could just post the link.
>he finally finds his calling, but eventually the war will end
What would you do if you couldn't do the thing you like the most anymore
>don't cry because it's over; smile because it happened
Start a construction company, be the flattop guy.
>russians
>people
inb4 they sail it across the dnieper
Woodland Abrams, my beloved.
>green Abrams reappearing after 30 years of desert combat
These images are so sexy that they should be considered NSFW.
unironically nature is healing.
thats neat, saved. Never seen one with the M32 ARAT holders on but no ERA
the lack of ERA highlights that sexy bulge
Automatic rammer on Bohdana in the back. Still no autoloader though
>Gee golly, why does your Mother let you have two MICLICs?
let's get some plowing done in that fertile land!
For the love of god I hope Ukraine uses this intelligently instead of another slavcore minefield rush. The internet will be unusable if one of these gets knocked out.
I don't know. Leopards got knocked out, Bradleys got knocked out, and except for the momentary vatnik chimp out, nobody cared.
Those arent American tanks.
>slavcore minefield rush
>mclics and engineers clear a path as much as possible
>move out in a column, because you have to follow said path
>get knocked out by Kamovs and artillery, because you're the poorest country in Europe and your supporters haven't provided you with necessary equipment
How are you supposed to get through a minefield?
first you must accomplish total artillery death
they have been in ukraine for months now but haven't seen any combat yet so unless theres some more context to this pic then I dont care
>they have been in ukraine for months now
source?
Remember the most important rule of war according to Sun Tsu. Have fun!
nature is healing
Imagine this bad boy covered with ERA bricks... fucking wicked sick.
needs the side skirts too.
A-and maybe some snow camo
>Abrams killing Russians
As God intended
>tfw russia is getting dabbed on by little girls and children
Russia will never be considered a great anything after this shit.
It was all smoke and mirrors but they had never been put to the test and now the world knows Russia was and is a joke.
Just in time for Desert Storm in the snow
damn I forgot Ukraine had its own Area B7R
Oh so that's why operation Odessa was set in the desert
>Another sandbox
Great. Just great.
Abrams are cool but Ukraine doesnt have the manpower for a breakthrough.
They can keep defending until Russia slowly but steadily overwhelms them with bodies.
It will be a lose lose.
trust the plan, the ass is in the ass, the gloves have not been raised and the eyebrows have not come off
Do you actually have a viable idea how Ukraine could push out the Russians?
Their counteroffensive in the south had minimal gains, if they had at least taken Tokmak I wouldnt be this sceptical.
tokmak has been cut off for at least a month now. don't need troops on the rails to cut off the last rail line available to russia
remember how kherson offensive was dead for months before russians suddenly had to evacuate? yeah.
But russkies in Kherson had the river at their back with the crossings getting hammered.
Tokmak can be resupplied even if the Ukies had it semi encircled, like a reverse Bakhmut.
>Tokmak can be resupplied even if the Ukies had it semi encircled, like a reverse Bakhmut.
Diagram that out for us. Let's see exactly how that "works" in your world.
What part do you not understand?
Anon not all roads and railways have the same capacity.
>Anon not all roads and railways have the same capacity.
... therefore tokmak can be cut off without being encircled to the same extent as kherson? get real bro.
I understand the part where (You) are profoundly retarded ... pretty much what I expected when I laid the bait.
What bait have you laid? how do you think showing me that there's two major roads to the south of the town proves its just as easy to cut it off as Kherson, a much larger city connected by one bridge?
Do you know what this is?
That is a railway bridge about 20 km south of Tokmak. And the only way over the Molocchna river to supply said city, should it be "semi-circled".
One missile into this bridge and the city is on it's own.
Russian military is heavily reliant on railways to do it's supply runs. That's why they have difficulties conducting operations anywhere further than ~80 km (50 miles) from their railway lines. If that bridge goes and Tokmak gets "semi-circled", they would have to get the railway cars to the west banks of that river, unload their supplies there, transport the goods little by little over the river using pontooning (and we know how that can go), then load the supplies to cars on the other side and then transport them to the city. And they are not using Pallets to do any of that. Pidor has to carry each crate by hands. Yeah, good luck.
Oh, and they might not even need missiles. Although the bridge is definently wihtin HIMARS range, it might already be within Ukie conventional artillery range. It's only ~45 km from Novoprokopivka.
the Ukrainians aren't blowing the bridge for a reason, it would slow them down massively if they try to counter attack and its really hard to blow a bridge entirely. Russians got really good at patching rail sections as well so it's probably a matter of just conserving ammunition and hitting either side of the bridge.
"Patching rail sections" is in no way equivalent to "rebuilding a rail bridge." Are you Tardlord the Copewarrior? Because your statement is every bit THAT delusional. nobody is going to re-build a railroad bridge while under artillery and HIMARS fire. Every locomotive engine that gets sent into range will experience tungsten rain and become instant scrap metal.
In fact, I hope the vatnaggers are THAT retarded ... send half a dozen or a dozen locomotives straight into artillery barrages & HIMARS kill zones. I would love to see a new category on the vatnagger loss charts, right next to "Submarines killed by a nation without a Navy," with "Choo-choo trains converted to shredded steel."
So why aren't Ukrainians doing all the things you describe?
keeping the tokmak rail junction inoperable is what's important and that can be done from where the ukies are now
The whole reason that Russia kept launching those suicide rushes at robotnye and then switched to launching them at avdiivka instead is because they absolutely have to force the ukies out of at least one of those positions or risk losing everything between Tokmak and Donetsk city
Keep grinding down russians, even at your own expense, if the alternative to a pyrrhic victory is sucking vatnig dick then by all means, everyone in Ukraine has it clear, western support or not.
You see, in truth, this was never about what the world thinks, what you or I think, why yes, we come here to throw shit to each other and pretend our little opinions and virtue signalling means something, damn so satisfying.
This is instead about what the ones directly involved in the war think, something which apparently hasn't crossed russians minds, or maybe yes, who knows, what they were expecting? That you could justify throwing ballistic missiles at some apartment complex in Kyiv by arguing you were fighting Zelensky nazi regime? Heh, a father who just have seen the mangled body of his son removed from the ruins of his little world isn't going to listen to what some /chug/ chickenshits have to say, they aren't going to whine about israelites or trons or nogs or whatever, what he is going to do is go to the closest recruitment center and tell the guy in charge to give him an AKM and some magazines and send him to the front so he can hunt down some of the subhumans who ruined his life and God maybe he may die but he will fucking drag some of this vermin down with him with our without NATO surplus.
So yeah, but by all means, keep posting here, we like to go in all sort of fights.
Pic related, what the average ukrainian want to do with all these russians who decided to invite themselves into their country.
>Verification not required
Based
When the USSR was leaving Afghanistan, the Sov diplomat pleaded with the Muj to stop attacking their troops. "We are leaving, why are you still attacking us?" The Muj commander replied," you are leaving because we are killing you, we will continue to kill you until you are gone."
Same thing here.
They only lost like what a quarter of the people in Afghanistan?
The amount they are pushing their economy to like 20+% of GDP is insane. They hare cut off from a lot of products they need to keep their gas and oil futures intact. (They can work around the sanctions but it costs more and is far less to stale and time table friendly)
It is telling that the Russian Shills have changed from they will beat and take Ukraine down to.
>There is no way for you to win
>Just give up
>please stop the killing of Russians
>The west will get bored better give up and let us rape and kill you
How low IQ monkeys think is just so telling.
they've got the entirety of the 80's era US Army arsenal at this point
Hey, do you have a version of this vid with sound? I'd like it for the archive
>they've got the entirety of the 80's era US Army arsenal at this point
Not yet but I fully support it.
>they've got the entirety of the 80's era US Army arsenal at this point
I doubt it's even 5%. Might be in some specific munitions, though. But overall, so far it's a fraction. There's still more committed and will be delivered. It's in the pipeline and can't be stopped for a while now. I'd hope we reach 50% of our 80's stock. That'd be great to put it all to use instead of decommissioning & maintaining it.
Anon, he didn't say percent. There's an apostrophe there.
I think he meant the entire breadth of the arsenal is represented.
Then where F-16? Where F-15? Where F-14? Where 203mm W79 Mod 0 enhanced radiation weapon? Where landmines full of VX nerve agents (it was acceptable in the 80s)?
they get f16s next spring
>Where landmines full of VX nerve agents (it was acceptable in the 80s)
Nerve gas mines and no Hughes Amendment (at least for the first half). Fuck me, bros. I wanna go back.
>80's era US Army arsenal at this point
Not really at all close. If we look a the numbers it is around 0.32% of equipment made 1960-1995.
That is why the Ukies are kinda bitching as we have not even given a 1% effort.
>Tank is not entirely invincible to everything
Wow it's so shit!!!!!!!!!
>I physically cannot stop thinking about miscegenation: the post
Don't you have BBC threads on /gif/ to spam?
You didn't say anything about tranny israelite nazis, you weak treefucker
Can you stop thinking about black dick for just one thread /misc/ ? Just one is all I'm asking.
It's too late, the cubing has already begun.
/k/ anon or found somewhere else?
i have zero images of african american genitals saved on my computer, i highly doubt you can say the same.
What are the chances they'll only be held as rearguard so that it will be the only Western tank not to be abandoneered or get hit by an attack helicopter/artillery/Lancet?
Then when Ukraine starts winning, they'll show the Abrams rolling around alongside other US vehicles.
>multiple impacts
>only taken out after the crew abandoned it and sabotaged it
>even then an internal explosion wasn't enough to cause any visible damage to it
God damn, the fuck is that thing made out of?
American RHA, aka literally the best armor plate steel in the world, because we have the money and industry to do that shit properly, meticulously and at scale.
Thats how tanks are supposed to be, tough, durable and recoverable. Russian doctrince simply does not work that way though so they build their tanks to be disposable and treat the crew the same.
how good is the abrams in mud?
Nta. A few hundred died in prison in that missile attack but lots of regular azov naggers have been exchanged already, included some civilians that were in azovstal.
Man you really get triggered by Azov for some reason. Calling "hiding in a basement" the fucking siege of Mariupol is almost offensive for both sides.
I thought we've already decided that tanks are useless now. Drone kills everything now.
>Zigger absolutely seething because someone defied him
Many such cases.
they traded like 200 azov for medvedchuk alone lmao
It is up to around 2600 by now and there is only about 3K remaining. Ukraine has about 1K Russians left to trade but Russia doesn't want them.
I like to call the Sea Wolf-class, the "Seawolf", and then insist it was akshually named after a stupid looking fish.
>I like to call the Sea Wolf-class, the "Seawolf", and then insist it was akshually named after a stupid looking fish.
Huh? I see another victim of british dentistry.
>Then they spent a month hiding in a basement
That's an interesting way of looking at it.
is there any footage of abracadabrahams btfoing russians/running them over?
pleasepleasepleasepleaseplease let there be abrams kino
>Not calling it the M1 Abrahamo Lincolni
The problem is the numbers: They have like 100 bradley and 20 abrams. WTF do you want to do with this?
Is it time?
>We may see an M1A1 Obr. 2023
Best timeline
but which nation's tree will it go into? Also surely it won't be a premium vehicle
Modifications made on other countries go in the mother country tree no?
why doesn't the US just do this by default?
Because it's a meme.. Because in urban/semi-urban areas the doctrine dictates that tanks should work with the infantry. And at stand-off ranges, fighting other tanks, it's not needed.
>in urban/semi-urban areas the doctrine dictates that tanks should work with the infantry
But tanks will still get hit because the infantry won't be able to protect them perfectly at all times.
>b-but muh ERA hurts muh squishy little infantry!
Saving a tank and potentially(!) endangering some infantry seems preferable to losing a tank and maybe the crew + nearby infantry
No it's not. That's vatnik logic. Safety of crew and infantry takes priority. Tank is easier to replace.
ERA is very dangerous to infantry nearby. There is the TUSK kit with at least two generations of ERA but its special use. Adding ERA to tanks is either implicitly accepting you aren't fully commiting to combined arms or it means you dgaf about your infantry.
Combined arms doesnt mean having infantry be within 20 meters of the tank at all times you fucking moron
Get out of your COIN mindset, retard.
Steppes of Ukraine aren't the streets of Fallujah that require your jarheads to be shoulder to shoulder with the tank, within pissing distance of it.
Send more. More Abrams, F-16s. Bradleys, Strykers, ATCAMS, shells, howitzers, predator drones, hellfire missiles, Gripens, F-15s, Leopards, boat drones, tomohawks, AShMs, Gepards, Patriots, THAAD, F-18, switchblades
TOTAL ZIGGER DEATH
Eh. For now they'll mostly get used for indirect fire support or to drive straight into a mine.
>30 abrams tanks
I sleep. Wake me when GLSDB arrive.
I'm still hoping for Gripens.
I hate how the US just drip feeds Ukraine. It's clear they don't actually want them to be too successful.
>Let's burn together!
>Tigr and a BMP-2 "Bradley" mock ups
They don't even have enough destroyed/captured western equipment to shoot a proper ad lmao.
you can't just give wunderwaffe to some film studio willy nilly anon, cmon
>Let's burn together!
They do it all the time
free targets for lancets
>Everything will be recaptured when Biden's tanks arrive.
How's that 3-day SMO going, Dima?
SHUT UPPPPP