Need help, those Sich rats keep taking out my oil harvesters and my soldiers can't deal with them, I've sent my VDV in airborne assaults at ...

Need help, those Sich rats keep taking out my oil harvesters and my soldiers can't deal with them, I've sent my VDV in airborne assaults at their strongholds and they all got killed, I've even bashed two Lukoil vice-presidents heads in and that didn't help. If I don't get back production numbers up, Vladimir is going to put my head on a spike, what should I do?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >80 years into the 2-week special spice mining operation
    >post spam thread
    Did another spice miner explode?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      a harkonnen soldier just knocked on my fricking door and asked for spice
      lisan al'gaib i thought it was a meme

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      At least the story is relatable

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Musk really DID stick his dick in crazy...

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          [...]
          Maybe she just means that he'd be living in his father's shadow and that his father is probably going to OD or be killed or something and he'd have to grow up without him in a society that has big opinions about his family name.

          Kinda looked like they were a good match

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Musk really DID stick his dick in crazy...

        Maybe she just means that he'd be living in his father's shadow and that his father is probably going to OD or be killed or something and he'd have to grow up without him in a society that has big opinions about his family name.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Giedi shills tell me the Harkonnen will win
    >meanwhile even the emperor had so little confidence in Harkonnen troops that he sent them Sardaukar reinforcements
    I am with the worm fondlers on this one.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Muh 'Lanet
      >Muh 'Rakkis
      >Muh Dunc
      Simple as

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I hear Feyd and that Paul guy will duel. What will Giedi FC do if Feyd loses and they therefore lose their star gladiator? Can they even afford a replacement this season?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Dunc 3 - Get Dunc'd On

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >he sent them Sardaukar reinforcements
      There is no proof of this.
      You should refrain from reckless and disrespectful accusations when you have no evidence for them.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Sent sardaulker
      Where are the proofs?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Sardaukar deployed

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          *gets squished*

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Those are cosplaying freman, bring real proofs

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          You can buy Sardauker outfits at any Ix outdoor shop.
          Do you have any real proofs?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Sardaukar reinforcements
      Atreides shills spread these lies, they should have been exterminated with their duke

      TAD

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Im Duncan Idaho of Caladan Oblast and i approve of this message

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I'm Gurney Halleck of Caladan Oblast and I also approve of this message

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Born too late to fight thinking machines
    >Born too soon to see the Kwisatz Haderach
    >Instead I get to watch Harks burning money loosing to Zensunni savages
    Even if I miss the Atreides, I'm still feeling bretty comfyspiced rn. The emperor and the Spacing guild are the only winners in this one, calling it now.

    How is the rest of /fahg/ (Freeman against Harkonnen Guild) doing right now? Even if my mentat called me a moronic spiceposter, my house is getitng me qt Bene Gesserit concubine so I'm doing good.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    ?t=229

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >what should I do?
    Become a competent villain and make the Sich rats -your- rats.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >can space travel
    >everyone fight using sword like a moron
    Why is that?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Energy shields that make laser guns explode.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Dumbest sci fi concept ever - not that of protective shields, mind you, but that lasers causes a thermonuclear explosion if they strike a shield. As if houses wouldnt drop a single shielded soldier into a melee and have them fire a lasgun.
        >b-but nukes are banned by the great houses
        As if you could prove, in a hectic battlespace, that it was an intentional tactic and not some accidental discharge. Herbert couldve just gone "shields stop lasers and projectiles" but picked the far more moronic option, the hack.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Cool concept tho. It's not like Herbert wanted to write a book about knife duels, he just wrote a sci-fi flick during the height of nuclear war fears.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Anon the fact that shields blow up in Dune is used through the books multiple times as a narrative tool. It IS common that people use shields as makeshift bombs. He mentions in the book that shields the size of the ones that cover entire towns are what people think of when they think "thermonuclear explosion"

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Herbert couldve just gone "shields stop lasers and projectiles" but picked the far more moronic option, the hack.
          It's like some weird philosophy thing: between the irresistible force and the immovable object, who wins? Nobody! What's the alternative, the Star Trek 'shields at 73% captain' boredom?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I always thought it's because those shields are non-newtonian and somehow break energy conservation to project force opposing the projectile's movement. Since lasers move at the speed of light and dump moron-high amounts of energy into the target the shield divides by zero and its internal energy starts going to infinity until the projector explodes.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Since lasers move at the speed of light and dump moron-high amounts of energy into the target
            They have no mass though. Why would they interact with the shield at all?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It doesn’t matter if they can’t prove it.The books make it pretty clear that any house that would do this would get nuked by the other houses.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >As if you could prove, in a hectic battlespace, that it was an intentional tactic and not some accidental discharge.
          It's not about prooooooof you nerd, it's about what the other houses believe, or are willing to claim, so they have the right to obliterate you. You can get away with it on rare occasions and claim "accident" exactly like they did in the book, but every time you do you risk the other houses turning on you.

          Yes that's right you pile of locker-stuffing, even in the sci fi future with lasers and space ships it comes down to the high school popularity contest you lost.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            If what you say is true then the Harks wouldve been obliterated long before the Dunc story ever took place given their frickery with other houses.
            A good author wouldnt have created a problem just to slapdash a bunch of half baked solutions for it; its just bad worldbuilding, in a series thats supposed to be nothing but worldbuilding because god knows the wooden characters and deliberately omitted combat scenes dont do anything to hold the reader's attention

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >the cold war isn't realistic guys
              Every objection you raise to shield/lasgun/atomics in Dune is pre-rebutted by real life because the Cold War geopolitical meta is what Herbert plagiarized them from. Spice is oil before fracking lmao.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          What the frick did you just fricking say about me, you little b***h? I'll have you know I graduated top of my group in the sardaukar, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on ix and ginaz, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in ranged warfare and I'm the top lasgun sharpshooter my entire legion. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the frick out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before in the landsraad, mark my fricking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the radio? Think again, fricker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across arrakis and your location is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're fricking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the Imperial sardaukar I and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fricking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're fricking dead, kiddo

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The explosion can happen at the point of where the lasgun is fired just as likely as it can happen at the point of contact. Likewise the strength of the explosion is random too, it can be relatively localized or it can be a nuke that annihilates both targets. So it's not really the same as using atomics. If you fire a trident missile out your submarine there isn't a 50% chance you blow up instead of your target.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It gets worse
      >be frank herbert
      >want swords in space
      >invent shields, declare that the entire galaxy has used shields for forever and the knowledge of gunfighting has been all but lost
      then
      >base fremen in part on afghani tribesmen repelling british redcoats with their jezails and sniping skill
      >go out of your way to put them on the only planet in the universe where shields can't be used
      >somehow make the fremen good knife fighters when they should be expert guerrilla marksmen who never use blades at all
      then
      >decide that fremen are capable of swarming across countless other planets and defeating everyone
      >even though you've already established that every single other planet uses shields, that shields are so overpowered that nobody on any other planets doesn't use them
      >and that fremen have had zero exposure to shield fighting and that their fighting style is explicitly shieldless
      If herbert cared at all about practical matters Dune would have been a story about the hardy anti-imperial fremen who are able to win the war for arrakis but cannot ever escape or truly defeat their enemies, only withstand until the imperial invaders overwhelm them, with strong parallels to real wars like the boer wars
      But that's not really what herbert was interested in

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        In first movie there was lots of shield use, but I can't remember seeing any Fremen use them. Why can't they be used on Arrakis?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It attracts the worm.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Well, and if they are shooting those special beam rifles at you, and you hit a shield, it will create a small nuclear blast.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Don't forget the blast can be at *both* ends.
            >hurr y not just shoot laser at enemy shield and nuke whole army
            Because you'd get nuked too, and the Landsraad has a very clearly defined MAD strategy of "anyone using nukes will be nuked out of existence by every other house without hesitation".

            And the thing is, the Fremen could still 'win' the war even without leaving Arrakis by simply leveraging their nuclear threat to monopolise spice-trade with all the Houses, gain a shitload of money, then spend it on pro-Kwisatz subversion efforts to undermine them and planetary defenses to make any future invasion a logistical nightmare. They'd essentially be Russia or Saudi Arabia on steroids; think about how much damage both of those countries have caused with natural resource strangleholds and information warfare.

            At that point they're playing the same game all of the other Houses are. And the other Houses are probably way better at it. Showing up to their doorstep with the intention of fricking their shit up is the one thing they're not actually prepared for.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Why do you think Paul's not up to the challenge at this point? He has the foresight of Jesus, the patience of Buddha, and the military-political acumen of Muhammad. All the other nobles are dilletantes compared to him. And NONE of them will even dare to approach Arrakis when it could mean the end of all space travel for centuries, if not millennia depending on the rate of Spice regeneration. With that kind of leverage, he can play politics all day by pitting the Houses against each other while fomenting religious unrest, and they simply can't do anything about it other than trying to stamp down every fanatic uprising that happens. Linking up with Caladan would give him an even bigger edge as an industrial base to rebuild a serious military that can attack any House leaving itself open while attacking Arrakis. So given all that, why risk everything by charging your entire people into an entire armed coalition like China did in the Korean War?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Well on one hand, he can't stop it. They're going to frick shit up with or without him. Nomad hordes don't like to stay put when it's time for a raid.
                And on the other hand, Leto the worm is double everything that Paul was minus wiener and balls (allegedly) and spends 2000 years getting plotted against by everyone in the galaxy.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The reason why they're willing to take on the entire Empire in the first place is because of his encouragement. He could easily tell them to stay put and not throw their lives away charging an entire Imperial fleet when they have Arrakis for themselves, and can start making Paradise for their children. Ultimately, Herbert's word is law, but I just wish its adapters would actually take some liberties in order to create a more logical and sustainable scenario.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Isn't the whole Fremen religion based (seeded by the Bene G) around an offworld Messiah leading them to conquer the galaxy? I read the book a decade ago but I basically remember the options for Paul leading the Jihad being like bad JRPG dialog options.
                >Yes
                >Yes (snarky)
                >No, but really yes
                >I'll come back later
                IIRC, the plan for a green paradise Arrakis was more of a secret sidequest for Stilgar planted by Liet Kynes.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        And the thing is, the Fremen could still 'win' the war even without leaving Arrakis by simply leveraging their nuclear threat to monopolise spice-trade with all the Houses, gain a shitload of money, then spend it on pro-Kwisatz subversion efforts to undermine them and planetary defenses to make any future invasion a logistical nightmare. They'd essentially be Russia or Saudi Arabia on steroids; think about how much damage both of those countries have caused with natural resource strangleholds and information warfare.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >fremen are capable of swarming entire planets
        I mean, it's not like it hasn't happened before in Europe and the Landsraad houses are used to a very different type of warfare. In Dune most war is small scale and assassinations/espionage are much more powerful. For a real life example:
        >be eastern european ruler
        >entire army is ~40 knights, your friend Dave and whatever moronic peasants you can force spears into the hands of
        >the Mongol horde shows up riding horses and slinging arrows with 20x the numbers you have
        >guess I'm fricked
        I'd imagine that's how the Jihad mostly went, you have an army that's mostly a ceremonial guard and suddenly a Guild heighliner drops off a million screaming sandpeople at your spaceport.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Who gives a frick about shields when chemical warfare clearly works fine through them?

        I'd shit on your crops and watch you starve.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah, I respect the worldbuilding but he clearly had a hard on for the fremen
        >no you see, the fremen are better than the sadukar because…because their grandparents spend years on these shitty rough planets and dune makes you super tough and they…they just are okay?!?!?
        I mean on arrakis? Sure, but not to conquer the galaxy

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          yeah, why not just make it "spice exposure makes you stronk like worm"?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It was more that the Fremen fought a totally different war than the houses were used to. Like how the Romans were expected to just accept losing to Carthage and start sending envoys to discuss taxes and tributes and what territories they'd lose when instead they just raised another legion and fought again. The Landsraad houses fought war a certain kind of way. It's called Kanli or something in the books but it prioritizes surgical operations and espionage over open battle, because open battle is costly and could jeopardize profits. So you have an army that's more of a ceremonial piece and a legion of assassins and spies that your money really goes to.
          I'd imagine Sarduakar vs Fremen was probably like the Tongo Tongo ambush.
          >we're the emperors big dick, we can do whatever we want and go where.....OH FRICK

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Not that anon, but that's the point. The Fremen way of warfare only works on Arrakis where you can't use shields, there's vast amounts of dunes to hide in and huge worms to ride, and wanton use of heavy firepower isn't feasible due to damaging Spice fields. The moment they get off-world, all these home-field advantages vanish and you've just got a bunch of tribesmen facing a coalition of nuclear-armed planets who hate their guts. Imagine them trying to break through a naval blockade when they barely know how to wage space combat, or trying to fight the Sardaukar on THEIR home turf. Ultimately, they're irregular troops suited for assymetric warfare against invaders, and not a professional military that can project power onto foreign soil.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Make more T-14 Devastators
    You have researched that haven't you? You're not just listening to the MIC saying that its fine? Like they can actually make them can't they?

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I reckon find someone even whiter and balder. The whiter and balder the better

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    If only they had let you keep some of those cannon eh Rabban? You got cucked by the Baron.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Thank you for that image.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >UHM MUAD'DIB ISNT MAHTI DESPITE FOLLOWING THE PROPHECY TO THE LETTER, IT'S JUST CHANCE

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Ahahah, how many little rats are roasting? The rats are squeaking in the hole of their hole.
    >Squeak!
    >Squeak!
    Ahahahah!

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Be Baron
      >Can't use shields in my desert, can't kill the fremen rats where they hide because they keep ambushing and killing all of my men and production
      >Set your nephew, the brutal but overtly dim-witted brute to solve it
      >he gets even more production killed
      So that was all a fricking stupid idea, how can we solve this once and for all

      >Strap artillery to the ships and smash their hideouts, either burying them alive or send them into the desert.
      WHY in the Barons name did nobody even slightly think of this?? WHY did we sacrifice thousands of men and tons upon tons of precious spice when the problem could have been solved this easily?

      For fricks sake you have ships that big that can fly without any computing systems and you just couldn't figure this one out? Seems to me the Harkonnens deserved to get railed by the fremens big, long, hard worms.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        In the books it's explained that the Baron sets Rabban and tells him to be brutal so that he can then install Feyd Rautha as the "gentler" leader the people will love.
        Which just goes to show that Frank Herbert told a good story but was actually a moron because history shows that when you have a brutal authoritarian replaced by someone less brutal who tries to pull the "see I'm different, I'm a nice guy really" act the result is almost always revolution and/or civil war. Because people are generally not as stupid as people think.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >the Baron sets Rabban and tells him to be brutal so that he can then install Feyd Rautha as the "gentler" leader the people will love
          It's literally out of The Prince, Machiavelli uses this precise scenario as a throwaway example of how to use one threat to deal with another, in this case an overly ambitious or greedy underling being sent to a newly conquered province that's in danger of rebelling.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            In that case Machiavelli was a moron too. Because people understand that the new leader is still from the same group they hated before. We don't even have to look particularly far back into history to see this. Just look at Syria and Assad. Bashar was the more moderate softer version replacing his incredibly brutal father.
            But people didn't just forget they hated the Assads and all it took was a couple years of drought to light the tinder.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >people understand
              Oh no.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >I'm so much smarter than the npcs around me
                That's the real NPC thinking right there.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Post gun with timestamp

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                moron.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                WE GOT ONE BOYS

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous
              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The noguns is nothing here, you automatically lose all debates, your points are automatically discarded, because it's been discovered you dont belong. Try your luck on a different board.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Post gun
                stopped having any meaning when vatBlack folk started using it to derail threads

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Jesus you're pathetic.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                https://i.imgur.com/VoQTICB.jpg

                >Post gun
                stopped having any meaning when vatBlack folk started using it to derail threads

                Now boys is this two noguns gays we've found or one so assblasted he's samegayging?
                Don't try this at home I'm what you call a professional.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Go be a gay somewhere else Black person

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >it was real in my head

                [...]
                Now boys is this two noguns gays we've found or one so assblasted he's samegayging?
                Don't try this at home I'm what you call a professional.

                >you are mad

                Is this an example collection of someone trying to scrape by after he lost the argument?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Post your gun and you will win, he will automatically become a moron b***h breasts. But we all know you wont

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >In that case Machiavelli was a moron too
              I don't think he was but remember that The Prince isn't his true thoughts, it's 50% job application because he wants to get back into the halls of power again and 50% "I'm a good goy, I have no problems with you conquering people, human rights aren't real of course and please don't torture me again"

              >Because people understand that the new leader is still from the same group they hated before
              They might. Tyrants always count in people being weak or stupid or both. Sometimes they're right, I think we can easily find many examples of both results.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                To be fair, I misunderstood what you were trying to say because I was reading it quickly while doing other things.
                So you're saying the Baron could be trying to eliminate Feyd Rautha by sending him to Dune? Or Rabban?
                Rabban makes sense, but Feyd Rautha I don't think does, because he certainly invests a lot of time into both grooming Feyd and convincing him that an "expedited succession" is not in his interests.
                Although even Rabban isn't making that much sense, because Rabban is an idiot and not a threat to the baron in any way.

                >I don't think he was but remember that The Prince isn't his true thoughts
                I've never read Machiavelli so I'll defer to you if you have.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >So you're saying the Baron could be trying to eliminate Feyd Rautha by sending him to Dune? Or Rabban?
                No, I think that the Baron intended it just as you said. I'm just saying that Machiavelli didn't necessarily think this was a good plan or anything, he thought the guy he was saying it to would. Also that it wasn't a real plan he was advocating, just an example in a chapter intro about how to turn negatives into positives by putting them into different contexts.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >In that case Machiavelli was a moron too. Because people understand that the new leader is still from the same group they hated before

              Got any examples? Because I can counter with Reinhard Heinrich, who first oppressed the Czechs, then slowly lessened it and rewarded the best workers with extra food etc. and achieved increased production. Then again, he did get assassinated but he was a thorough monster and had it coming...

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                It was also kinda his own fault he got killed.
                He ran after the two assassins all by himself. Trying to be a hero, forgot that someone you consider a coward can still kill you.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The Barons plan was for Rabban to create a political crisis with his brutality, which the Baron could then solve by replacing him with Feyd. The plebs would think the Harkonnens are fair and just and be content with Feyds gentle rule because they now understand how much worse it could be

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >The Barons plan was for Rabban to create a political crisis with his brutality
            It doesn't even matter whether it would have worked (probably would have in the cities at least), it's the exact strategy that Harkonnens think will work.

            >If you're not getting results from oppressing the peasants then oppress them harder, they'll break eventually
            It's the Harkonnen way. It's why the Lynch film made them into red-haired Russians.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah but what I'm saying is that that has never worked in history.
            Louis XV was "gentler" than the Sun King before him and it ended with him getting overthrown.
            Bashar was "gentler" than his father and ended up in a civil war.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >Bashar was "gentler" than his father and ended up in a civil war.
              Arab spring wasn't started by Bashar. And idk why would anyone consider him 'gentler' anyway.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Which just goes to show that Frank Herbert told a good story but was actually a moron because history shows that when you have a brutal authoritarian replaced by someone less brutal who tries to pull the "see I'm different, I'm a nice guy really" act the result is almost always revolution and/or civil war. Because people are generally not as stupid as people think.
          Rabban in the book is quietly portrayed as a lot smarter, which every movie has missed. He picks out all the holes in the Baron's plan and his only 'weakness' is not being a devious evil pervert which is why the Baron doesn't see him as fit to rule.
          Rabban is a Murz or Girkin type while Feyd is a princeling turned FSB goon serving the oligarch Baron.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I don't know if I fully agree with your analogy,
            But a Surovikin / Rabban switcheroo would be hilarious.

            I think Murz/Girkin would be more of a Mentat.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Strap artillery to the ships and smash their hideouts, either burying them alive or send them into the desert.
        >smash their hideouts
        >hideouts
        How did melanin immune immune man number 3 know where these are if Baron did not even know of people living in the South?
        I'm truly surprised this lead to any new gains. Usually commander replacement is only Harkonnen propaganda and he is accidentally fallen down from balcony few weeks later.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Because artillery is considered an esoteric historical footnote and a wholly obsolete technology in the era of shields.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          artillery is a regular feature on battlefields in the book. they use it during the surprise attack on house atreiedes

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >artillery is a regular feature on battlefields in the book.
            No. In the book artillery use was highly irregular. The Harkonnens only had it prepared for the surprise attack on the Atreides because they had Yueh sabotage the shields protecting the Atreides fortress. The baron considered it a novel gimmick outside of that capacity.

            Ironically in the book Rabban proves to be smarter than everyone gives him credit for by realizing how useful heavy artillery would be against the Fremen out in the desert, since shields aren't a viable option. The Baron shoots down the idea out of hand because he's too cheap to wanna bother maintaining an expensive artillery park, and he reflexively thinks anything Rabban might suggest is moronic.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Speaking of heavy kit.
              Someone very briefly mentioned this in the last Dune extravaganza.
              Shouldn't there be siege engines again?
              The Ornithopters are powered by a mutated and tortured alien clam muscle; the wings flapping are a function of the clam trying to close a shell that was surgically removed, and replaced with grafted wingshafts.
              Surely they could have an arm-flailey ground craft without resorting to Forbidden Computers.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Because the Harkkonens gave so little shits about the Fremen they think they number less than 10k

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    If I can step out of character for just a second. I bet this film hits different in Kabul.
    Like, the Taliban know who they're going to identify with in these films.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Like, the Taliban know who they're going to identify with in these films.
      But everyone is going to identify with Fremen?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >But everyone is going to identify with Fremen?
        I think westerners/caucasians identify with Paul and Jessica mostly. Perhaps with Leto or Gurney Hallack but generally an Atreides.
        But if you're from a place blessed with an independence day courtesy of a generous and loving European country, or you're Vietnamese or Afghani, it's probably quite a bit different of a story and Stilgar or Chani are your hero, possibly Liet Kines.

        This is like if Trump pulled out of Afghanistan when he promised but left Obama and his family in Kabul to be killed by a seal team under the cover of the Taliban takeover but Malia and Michelle escaped and Malia united the Taliban and Northern Alliance both and secretly trained them as an army to hold all the world's oil hostage to demand the UN bow down to her as ruler of Afghanistan and move the UN HQ to Kabul.

        Then you showed the film to Afghanis.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Idk why you’re pretending like Chani isn’t the designated audience self-insert for everyone, Western or not. Her character was explicitly rewritten from the ground up to be le morally superior pro-democracy freedom fighter for popcorn munchers to latch on to after they realize that (gasp!) Paul has been the bad guy all along.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >pretending like Chani isn’t the designated audience self-insert
            It's the female warrior role, sure. Is it wildly rewritten though? I'm yet to see part 2, it's not showing where I am yet and I don't want to spoil it with an Indian cam-rip.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              in the book she's fully onboard with paul's becoming space muhammad thing, in the film she's not and says it is le bad

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >Is it wildly rewritten
              Not really? They needed someone to point out to the audience how Paul was still human. Chani in the novel was this character too.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Stilgar or Chani are your hero, possibly Liet Kines
          Chani or Liet Kynes, sure
          But Stilgar is a cuck, he wants an outworlder to order him and his brothers to fight to the death

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >But Stilgar is a cuck, he wants an outworlder to order him and his brothers to fight to the death
            That's how you know it's going to work lol

            It just occurred to me that in Vietnam, the Vietnamese and Hmong can see the film in the exact same role with completely different villain inserts.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          No matter what if you are a MAN you will identify with Paul

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >No matter what if you are a MAN you will identify with Paul
            A European man will; an Arab, Persian or Pashtun might see it quite a different way.
            If they're a purist fanatic then maybe they identify with Jamis.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >NO brown people CANNOT identify with this white protagonist! they can only identify as this brown dude who dies lmao!

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Paul is like the most trans coded protagonist in recent memory

            the entire instigating factor in the plot of dune is that he was supposed to be born a girl, but wasnt

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Why didn't mom turn him into femboy to fool the witchood?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Why didn't mom turn him into femboy to fool the witchood?
                Don't think that would have worked.

                >The old woman studied Paul in one gestalten flicker: face oval like Jessica's, but strong bones ... hair: the Duke's black-black but with browline of the maternal grandfather who cannot be named, and that thin, disdainful nose; shape of directly staring green eyes: like the old Duke, the paternal grandfather who is dead

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I mean, who even WANTS to?

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Movie Chani is an obnoxious insufferable bawd. Paul should've backhanded her the moment she dared open her dirty fremen mouth.
    >bitch, you don't even brush your teeth
    There's no mention of toothpaste in the movie or the books.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      its mentioned over and over how bad fremen smell

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >There's no mention of toothpaste
      They don't eat goyslop so teeth are probably way better than you think.
      Coffee stains are definitely going to be a thing but probably not tooth decay.

      And are you seriously asking about Stilgar's tax policy?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        WHERE DOES THE MONEY COME FROM
        DO THE FREMEN PAY TITHES?
        HOW MANY CONCUBINES TO SETTLE A BLOOD DEBT?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          These questions are answered in the books and maybe kind of implied in the movies.

          >WHERE DOES THE MONEY COME FROM
          They sell spice themselves to smugglers. Smugglers land shuttles outside of the air defence zones. The Harkonen (and Atreides) can't detect of stop them because the spacing guild refuses to allow satelites around Arakis, that's actually because the Freman are bribing them to keep their own cities secret and enable the smugglers to keep their own cash flow. Spacing Guild goes along because it gives them a hidden supply of spice that no House or Emperor knows about or can stop.

          >DO THE FREMEN PAY TITHES?
          Yeah, that's the squeezing being done by Harkonens I think.

          in the book she's fully onboard with paul's becoming space muhammad thing, in the film she's not and says it is le bad

          >in the film she's not and says it is le bad
          She's not 100% on board in the book but I think it's fear rather than ethics.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Spacing Guild goes along because it gives them a hidden supply of spice that no House or Emperor knows about or can stop.

            In the far future, in the vast collections of planets and galaxies united

            >The fricking bankers still rule over all with no rules to follow but their own and through indirect warfare keep every king, general and peasant in their defined system

            I'm not surprised

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Pretty much yeah, why do you think they're pissed in the sequel? Both them and the Bene Gesserit are angry enough to get the Tleilaxus to make a clone of Duncan to stab his ass when the time was right.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >The fricking bankers still rule over all with no rules to follow but their own
              The bankers would be CHOAM who are very powerful but have to follow the rules, they're owned by the Houses of the landstraad who are all the major shareholders of CHOAM, a lot of House wealth comes from their CHOAM holdings.
              Everyone has to follow the rules publicly, getting caught breaking them is kind of how why the emperor abdicates in the end.

              The Spacing Guild is somewhere between the Greek/Korean shipping industry and the authorities controlling the Panama and Suez canals.
              Fremen are space Houthis and Somalis who happened to rescue Malia Obama or something.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous
              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                kek
                That's a valid comparison, though the Spacing Guild as israelites doesn't quite work for me.

                I think there's no real life equivalent to them, they're too powerful but also too far outside politics, they demand stability and continued spice and that's about it, they don't give a frick which house sits on the throne.
                They don't have a native planet as such but the guild has a homeworld and headquarters but it's nothing special, just a place to build and maintain their heighliners and train navigators.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Being Emperor doesn't really mean anything except having the majority of CHOAM holdings. Resources are king.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          What is Liet-Kynes' taxation policy?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Fremen sell spice to smugglers and bribe the spacing guild to frick with satellites around Arrakis to keep their movements hidden.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Dune is a neat series but it looses me a bit with the giant worm guy becoming emperor

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Not even the weirdest part of the later series.
      Yeah, most people stop around book 2-3. The exact book/event that makes you check out is related to your own tolerance for bad/surreal scifi but there's definitely a part around book 2/book3 where a lot, probably most people check out of the series.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Trust me it starts getting weirder.

        List a few things, I'm curious.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >List a few things
          >Bene Geserit splinter order that enslave men by making them addicted to fricking them
          >1000 clones of Duncan Idaho, including mentat ones eventually
          >spaceships with shields that protect from being seen in visions in the past
          >Ancient scientist who invented space folding is still around as a disembodied consciousness in a space jar
          >alternate universe hopping
          >Siri becomes a main character

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Ooh, that siri one is REALLY underselling it

            Herbert was beyond fricking done with writing Dune at that point and was basically giving it the 'ol
            >"frick all of you, my wife isn't giving me any and you're all going to suffer for it. NORULESWEEEE"

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >>1000 clones of Duncan Idaho, including mentat ones eventually
            Don't forget the female one, whom Leto II executed immediately and threatened to exterminate the Tleilax over because it gave him a boner (despite being a worm).

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >Don't forget the female one, whom Leto II executed immediately and threatened to exterminate the Tleilax over because it gave him a boner (despite being a worm).
              You are a clever trapmaker, yet my coomer nature insist I ask for source.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                It's from one of the "books" (blatant cashgrabs) his son wrote.
                He doesn't explicitly say Leto wanted to frick her, but given his reaction and how every female Artreides wanted to bang male!David, I think it's a fair interpretation.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                It's from one of the "books" (blatant cashgrabs) his son wrote.
                He doesn't explicitly say Leto wanted to frick her, but given his reaction and how every female Artreides wanted to bang male!David, I think it's a fair interpretation.

                (me)
                I should also say it's basically just a footnote in a list of "remarkable" Idaho Ghola's, so there isn't a lot material to work with.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Trust me it starts getting weirder.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Not even the weirdest part of the later series.
      Yeah, most people stop around book 2-3. The exact book/event that makes you check out is related to your own tolerance for bad/surreal scifi but there's definitely a part around book 2/book3 where a lot, probably most people check out of the series.

      I started reading the first book about 6 months before Dune came out, because i'd only kinda googled the lore before that. Around the stage where Harkonnen attacks i got food poisoning and spent two days with fever hallucinations of being Paul and riding sandworms. Ive yet to finish the book

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        How come I hear this so much? I'm 40 years old and I've -never- had food poisoning. Not once.
        How are you Black folk getting sick so much? I bet it's cause you don't wash your hands or some shit.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Its so far the only time for me.
          Ive gone through 4 tours in sandy shitholes, like 10 years of grunt shit and nothing. Not even an upset stomach
          And i eat ONE fricking slice of carrot cake on my summer holiday and i spend the next 48 hours sweating and thinking im Muad'Dib

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Now I want carrot cake you arsehole.

            I tend to get sick from tap water in coastal parts of the Balkans, even though officially it's drinkable. At least I think that's what I'm getting sick from. I don't live here full time so I don't adjust to it really.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Constitution and luck, my mom never gets sick, my dad was vomiting as soon as a bit of cheese looked at him funny. I've been sick a half dozen times, so good constitution and luck you could easily not ever get food poisoning.

          Modern processed slop is bad in many ways, but it's pretty safe to eat

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        you drank the water of life?

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >I've sent my VDV in airborne assaults at their strongholds and they all got killed

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    To be quite honest the only way I can comprehend the Harkonnens is by their status as Yakubian ice demons. The entire structure of their society, aesthetics and way of life is devoid of pigment and flavour. They must steal the very seasoning for their incestuous and homosexual rituals. Their leader feasts on the finest soi slop while their dysgenic masses are forced from their heaving industrial complexes to fight in endless wars of conquest.

    There is something very kino about their scion's death at the hands of Paul, who in many ways is a bull like figure. His sexual and martial prowess evokes the Indo-Europe chariot warrior. He like those ancient men ave absorbed the various nomad races to fight on his behalf. All things change, and one day new light and vigor will emerge.

    It's heartening to see such a film

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >homosexual rituals
      Always fun reading those Homokonen gays explaining with 9001 words how it's not gay.
      Anyone have the clip where that VDV mobik vomits out litres of Rabban's cum?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        err
        what

        was that in the movie?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          After spice silo explosion Rabban flies after the rats with his mighty VDV. On the way one mobik at the back of his chopter vomits out a load of white stuff.

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I could've joined the Sardaukar but they're too strict for my taste

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    What do they teach those Fremen kids?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      to throw stones at harkonenn harvesters

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Just shield the harvesters lol. You afraid of a worm?

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