Need a ballistic helmet that can withstand multiple 5.56 strikes for my security and escort job.
Any suggestions?
Need a ballistic helmet that can withstand multiple 5.56 strikes for my security and escort job. Any suggestions?
Need a ballistic helmet that can withstand multiple 5.56 strikes for my security and escort job.
Any suggestions?
>helmet that can withstand multiple 5.56 strikes
They exist but they aren't cheap and they can be hard to come by. Most helmets commercially available are only IIIA, some are III or "III+". Some have "SLAAP" plates that can be attached to defeat some rife rounds but those are heavy and only cover some of the head, usually just the brow of the helmet. If you are on the move and are gonna wear the thing all the time getting a rifle rated helmet may not be practical, even a little bit of weight on your cervical spine like that adds up fast, trust me.
Research and select a level of balance between weight/protection that you like and will actually wear. The helmet only works if you wear it so make sure you arent taking it off because its uncomfortable.
>ballistic helmet that can withstand rifle rounds
I think your only option is IHPS or ECH, if you dont mind 50/50 chance of getting your coconut cracked anyway by deformation and additional plates, if you dont mind not wearing it (see)
Those won't stop steel core.
For that, there's a ceramic applique that will stop M855/M855A1 and similar threats. Only covers the front of the helmet, though.
Here you go moron
you joke, but mall security is serious buisness
Dont mess with an old man in a job where men die young
>for my escort job
You aren't supposed to literally give head.
a bit of a cringy picture to have on your family computer
god damnit that was nice
Carlos I am going to fricking kill you one day.
Here's second you you absolute frick holy shit I am laughing
Piggy backing off OP's thread to see if any anons could help me out.
Last year I made the decision to trust my life on the street to Second Chance body armor. I got the level IIa because it stops the most rounds. plus I got the Trauma Plate for the front.
What scares me is that, although I can fit an extra trauma plate in the front, I cannot fit a second one in back. As of late I have taken to duct-taping a second trauma plate to the area of my back where the heart and vital organs are located. Then I put my vest on.
Here is the questions. The ducttape solution, although tactically sound, is hot and painful to remove. I would like to go to the single-plate solution in back. What I am worried about is repeated hits to that area with .308 ammunition. I have a high-risk security job and I fear that I would be the target for repeated long-distance shots to my back.
Are any of you aware of a thicker plate that could stop, say, .338 Lapua or something like that? Is there a better way to do the second plate?
BTW, I am, of course, usually carrying a pair of ceramic plates in my briefcase so that I can shield my head. My SO (we work as a team when necessary) has a similar accessory containing a breakdown NEF single-shot 300 WinMag with an 18″ bbl. The plan is that I shield us with my body and “catch the rounds” while she assembles the NEF. I lay down covering fire with my 23 (Bar-Sto .357 Sig barrel) and she makes the long shots. I will then throw smoke grenades to obscure the area while continuing to lay covering fire. The problem, of course, is when I have to turn my back to run, and then the problem crops up.
Thanks!
I have been looking for this copy pasta for a while
It's not a pasta. It's a post from a forum
youll be alright. dont worry about duct taping stuff to your rig or chest.
if you have the money get away from soft armor and go for ceramic level 4 plates, if not 2a will be good enough for 9mm
That seems like a solid plan. I'm thinking that the best thing to do is to have my wife make an “undervest” with pouches front and rear for the additional plates. This would let me have three plates in front (probably too hot) and two in back. What I’m also asking her to do is to sew in a sleeve for an ASP collapsible baton. Right now I’m taping the ASP to my right calf (the left calf is where I have my G27). It’s okay for me to talk about my job, as long as I’m not specific. I am the Sergeant of a three-man Rapid Tactical Force at one of America’s largest indoor retail shopping areas.
frick, you beat me to it lmao
I am now thinking that the best thing to do is to have my wife make an “undervest” with pouches front and rear for the additional plates. This would let me have three plates in front (probably too hot and two in back. What I’m also asking her to do is to sew in a sleeve for an ASP collapsible baton. Right now I’m taping the ASP to my right calf. It’s okay for me to talk about my job, as long as I’m not specific. I am the Sergeant of a three-man Rapid Tactical Force at one of America’s largest indoor retail shopping areas. Although there are typically between fifteen and twenty normal security officers working the beat there, we decided a while ago that it would be best to have a specilized force for violent individuals. We use modified electric vehicles and can be anywhere on a given floor within eight and a half minutes.Naturally, the regular security people are unarmed. We RTFers, by arrangement with the local police, carry high-strength OC spray and batons. If we have a full tactical alert and permission from the local LEOs we also have a Mossberg 500 with less-lethal rounds and two K-frame Smith .38s loaded with 158gr. LRN.Basically, the situation is that we get the call, we lock up the situation, put everything five by five, and cordon the area until the local authorities arrive. We’re cops, we just don’t get the glory.I am not permitted to carry Glocks on duty; however when my wife picks me up from work I strap on the “Deadly Duo” of a 27 and 23, each with Bar-Sto .357. I am writing a proposal to replace our current Mossberg-Smith armament with the following:
3) MP5K-PDW with red-dot sights;
2) G36 rifles using SS109 rounds;
3) Glock practical tacticles in .357 Sig
1) PSG-1 using Fed Gold Medal .308
1) Starlight scope for the PSG-1 in case we lose power in the building.
3) Glock 27 backup guns
3) Kahr P-9 holdouts
I think this would make us capable of facing nearly any situation. I’ll let you know what the management says!
Gecko45 posts need to be reposted more pften in gearqueer threads. We have too many suburban commandos that want to pretend they're the fricking punisher.
ideally something with neck support, cause if it stops one to the dome then the force will break your neck.
although i did know a guy who knew a guy who got shot in the head with a 308 from 900yards or so. he had on a standard ach and the bullet tunneled around the rim of the helmet and straight out the back into another dudes thigh completely annihilating his wiener and balls and seriously fricking up the first guys neck. he recovered i think.
Does not exist.
Just get an ECH and don't get shot.
>school dropouts failing at basic physics 101
That's not how bullets work, moron.
bullets do weird things man. you ever hear a ricochet from a gun fired a mile away at your general location? they go VIIIIIIP WOOP WOOPWHIIIPPPTTTHHHHHHH HOOLOOLOOLOOLOO TINK
and bounce in weird directions. and can do really odd things. im not calling you dumb but i am calling you an butthole, butthole. frick you you homosexual piece of shit i hope a truck drives over a loose rock and sends it spinning into your ribs at a 90 degree angle or something else that makes you question your knowledge of physics.
but i hope it doesnt frick you up too bad
Bullets stopped by the body armor plates or a helmet do not snap your neck or break ribs. If they could do that, the shooter would dislocate his own shoulder with each shot.
Yes and he was ready for the hit and had to take a small step back. Now imagine you're not expecting it and thus aren't tensing at all, it doesn't take much force to snap your head back if you aren't resisting.
if you watch the video he says that it just felt like a punch.
when you find out a way to overcome newton's laws let me know, until then it's impossible for a bullet to impart more momentum on its target than the recoil did to the shoulder of the shooter.
You can just google how wrong you are. I did it just now looking for the research done my the military but it's everywhere you just haven't looked. It's impossible to snap a neck with the force of a bullet that a helmet can stop.
Serious question, why would they make a helmet that would stop a bullet but kill you anyway?
you know what, guess you are right. i bet you could slap on a 3a helmet and put a round of buckshot or a 12g slug into your forehead! you should try it and film it for us! that sure would show me!
As the first anon said level III rated helmets are new and hard to come by. Occasionally you can find a surplus ECH, but those too are rare and expensive.
Also though the ECH has exceeded its rating for 7.62x39 and stopped full power rifle rounds in both testing and field use, I'm not sure if it would provide good multi-hit protection in the same spot.
If you’re escorting you’ll need knee pads and butt plugs as well
Lifestyles extra strength should withstand multiple 5.56" strikes. Just be sure to wash and rinse in between escort jobs.
I do high risk funeral procession escorts. It's a serious profession that commands respect.
What mad max shithole has gunmen attacking funerals
Chicago
Doesn't that shit happen like weekly and hardly makes the news?
My apologies. I do understand high value gang funerals do get shot up frequently. If you put yourself in those situations I respect that.
Use the enhanced combat helmet if you can find a genuine one. If it looks like the ech but is thinner, it's the ACH, do not buy it. The ech is thicker and better.
you need to be 18 or older to post here, kid
Oos but something like this in conjunction with the recommended helmet. Even the modern ech is-whatever won't stop steel core, if your employer isn't paying for it I'd just get a surp pasgt.
https://www.hardheadveterans.com/products/rifle-rated-ballistic-helmet-up-armor-defeats-7-62
Why not buy a steel helmet?
imagine being such an embarrassing company that even AR500 refuses to take you seriously and straight up steals a shipment of your helmets and won't pay
not even other steelBlack folk take other steelBlack folk seriously
> Lighter than an ACH
> Rated to way better ballistic performance than an ACH
Now compare AR500 steel plates vs. ESAPI:
> The steel plate is nearly twice as heavy.
> Rated to way shittier ballistic performance.
> Many other problems.
The difference between the steel helmet and steel rifle plates is that one is a good idea, and the other is a very bad idea.
what kind of fricking maniac would use NODs with that setup
Probably an airsofter
Wear a UHMWPE greathelm over your regular IIIa helmet
Realistically how much money would you guys have to be paid to be put in a situation where you were going to be shot in the head with 556 multiple times?
5.56 is also weird because 7.62x39mm and x54mmR are way more common in third world shitholes.
Where in the world are you getting shot at with 5.56mm? Going up against the Mexican cartels? I'd need a lot of fricking money for that.
There is only one option, comrade
Meanwhile i just want a cheap helmet that stops 9mm.
Any recommendations?
You can get an ACH or LWH for 250-300 easily. The steel helmet above apparently does it but spall would be a b***h. The PAGST is the cheapest available and has been show to occasionally stop one, but don't count on it.
Italian SEPT2. Seriously, you can still find empty shells for $25 from Sportsman's Guide (yeah I know shitty company), albeit sans suspension/chinstrap. Kommandostore tested them, they're something like level II-ish, will stop basic 124-grain 9mm and some +P loads.
this reminds my of the infamous Mall Ninja.
https://lonelymachines.org/mall-ninjas/
>multiple 5.56 strikes
Bro, if where you live has this as a potential issue, you need to move.
Im tired of living in detroit dawg
>i'm going to be starting a super serious contractor job
>i don't even know what helmet to buy
Why do I think OP is embellishing his upcoming profession?
what's the cheapest XL ballistic helmet you can get that actually stops bullets of some sort? My cranium is massive.
Read the thread
>escort job
Your client must have some interesting fetishes
>potential to get shot in the head with a rifle multiple times
>boss makes you supply your own helmet
get a different job
I guess your biggest options on the US market are going to be the ECH or the new FAST RF1
Anon when the escort agency said you need to be careful, and to bring protection, they meant lube and condoms.
I know you don't possess the neck muscles to support the helmet that I would recommend, so I won't
Is there a LVL III soft armor balistic helmet? Hard plate inserts ok.
Calm down Jeremy. You're not a cop.
Stop being a pussy and get a skateboard helmet