Why do some of the buildings have their lights on? You know that wouldnt happen during a power outage right?
This here, what you see, is called a "blackout". Its been common in wars for decades. You would know this if you were a regular on this board, instead of the /misc/tard shitstain that you are.
Did you notice how the headlights are INCREDIBLY dim in the dark photo? They don't illuminate shit. Also, pic related, many European countries including Ukraine have mandatory headlight requierements during daytime.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Biggest tell is actually the reflection in the water. Bodies of water only reflect images in VERY bright lighting.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Ah, that explains why the picture looks so cool. I couldn't put my finger on it. Reflections in dark water make for eerie pictures.
>car headlights on during the daytime
Modern cars have light detection that automatically switches the headlights on if it's below a certain level and the second photo looks just like what I see all the time in the afternoon/early evening here.
Unimaginable science fiction technology to RusBlack folk and turd world filth, I know. Just like we have these machines, that sort of spin dirty clothes round and round and then they come out clean and dry.
1 year ago
Anonymous
It's not that, it's traffic regulations. Here in Scandinavia we literally always drive with headlights on, even in summer when we have a lot of daylight.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>spin dirty clothes round and round and then they come out clean and dry.
Yeah okay buddy. Next you're gonna sell me a tiny room to keep them all hanging up with little wire doodads? I'm so sure.
Thought you Kiev trolls would struggle to get online with no power
[...] >car headlights on during the daytime
You two aren't very bright are you
Here's the actual original source >https://pictures.reuters.com/archive/UKRAINE-CRISIS-KYIV-BLACKOUT-RC2S7X9LP31E.html
The Reuters article it was used in >https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/survival-kits-lifts-kyiv-residents-get-creative-amid-power-cuts-2022-10-27/
And the photographer's profile on Reuters website >https://widerimage.reuters.com/photographer/gleb-garanich
Now stop being moronic and making me sad that the fricking vatnik wasn't completely full of shit.
This. The proliferation of drones is hard countered by mass produced laser systems. The technology is available, but there hasn't been enough demand to make it happen until now. As soon as mass production capacity is set up somewhere these will likely proliferate extremely quickly now that this war has shown the danger posed by small shitty drones.
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This. The proliferation of drones is hard countered by mass produced laser systems. The technology is available, but there hasn't been enough demand to make it happen until now. As soon as mass production capacity is set up somewhere these will likely proliferate extremely quickly now that this war has shown the danger posed by small shitty drones.
NATO absolutely does, but most of the solutions involve electronic warfare, directed energy, lasers and some of our newest missiles - stuff that's all too new and in need to give away.
>NATO absolutely does
Currently it does not. > electronic warfare
won't do shit against a preprogrammed drone with reasonably accurate INS >lasers
not currently in production so if Russia started spamming them together, there's nothing anybody could do about it. hence why the trouble in Ukraine. and hence why
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This. The proliferation of drones is hard countered by mass produced laser systems. The technology is available, but there hasn't been enough demand to make it happen until now. As soon as mass production capacity is set up somewhere these will likely proliferate extremely quickly now that this war has shown the danger posed by small shitty drones.
>wouldn’t iron some patriot systems deal with these easily with some new programming?
what?
Assuming you meant what I think you meant, any air defense system can kill these things without breaking a sweat. The problem is that a patriot missile is like 200 times more expensive than the thing you suggest it destroy. Which means you can have 200 drones for every missile. moron.
Why do some of the buildings have their lights on? You know that wouldnt happen during a power outage right?
This here, what you see, is called a "blackout". Its been common in wars for decades. You would know this if you were a regular on this board, instead of the /misc/tard shitstain that you are.
Show me the inventory of these things in sufficient numbers to surround every target of value and cover every angle of approach.
You homosexuals really don't understand what the drone threat is all about, do you? It's economic/logistical, not tactical. Nobody ever said the shahed can't be killed, you can fricking swat them out of the sky with AKs. The problem is that with the sorts of air defense systems currently in use, it's prohibitively expensive to counter dirt cheap and simple suicide drones like these.
There are multiple nato AA systems them are designed to counter slow moving Arial targets with cannons or other guns. They all can shoot down drones like this with extremely cheap munitions. Shahed is also so innacurate it provides little tactical advantage against conventional forces.
>Show me the inventory of these things in sufficient numbers
I guess we'll build a few hundred of them then. Once the entry cost has been paid, the sustainment of them rapidly shifts the equation against Russia.
Just one of the things you can do with a MIC that can actually produce shit. :^)
Literally everything of value has a defensive system even in Ukraine. Striking civilian infrastructure doesn't actually have much value beyond pissing people off, and the handful of civilian deaths, while sad, aren't particularly valuable in the context of a war, especially one where it's been as much of an artillery fest on big cities.
>it's prohibitively expensive to counter dirt cheap and simple suicide drones like these.
This fricking brainlet-tier take AGAIN! It is never prohibitively expensive to shoot down a drone, no matter how cheap the drone or how expensive the missile you fire at it. No one is ever going to say >yeah , we could shoot down that drone, prevent the destruction of wherever it lands, and save the lives of the people in the way, BUT THINK OF THE COST!
Besides, Ukraine is getting western AA systems for the low price of absolutely free, so unless Russia is getting paid to take these drones off of Iran's hands, then no, the attrition equation does not work out in their favor.
>Show me the inventory of these things in sufficient numbers to surround every target of value and cover every angle of approach.
2000 produced just for the phalanx.
Now you show us the inventory of your methods of deploying your shitty missiles with any "angle of approach".
Then you show us how many you can produce any once you've wasted 90% of your stockpile.
Not even several trucks of those missiles would get through a defense network that isn't scavenged soviet scrap.
>economical
Should Iran attack anything of real value, they'd soon be unable to feed themselves let alone produce anything. Their only allies would have been Russia or other terrorist-states.
Iran would have better chance attacking any weak country trading with their enemy.
Even France would shoot those shitty missile at a 99% rate and defeat Iran by themselves. There's a reason terrorists have not been able to strap explosive to RC drone and hit even a refinery.
So yes, Iran would do some damage. Then lose their country and not even from occident interference, just from their revolting population.
>spend $10mil bullets to shoot a $200 drone
That's western efficiency for you, all right. There was even a famous case where NASA spent billions developing a special space pen while the russians just laughed at them and used normal pencils for free. You can't defeat these peo
I love this anecdote because its just so Russian. Reasons >it never happened >its moronic and makes the russians look bad >but they are still proud of it
They used "normal pencils for free" until the broken graphite floating around damaged their precious cosmonauts' lungs. Then they went and bought those special space pens from NASA.
>You can't defeat these peo
Last time, all it took was giving a MANPADS to goat herders.
>You can't defeat these peo
The ukies certainly are, 8 months into a 3 Day Operation, still hanging in there, still making Russia bleed
Also that example is fricking bullshit.
My brother in christ you are banking on the ability of the Russian state to triumph in the financial sector against economic heavyweight giants like Belgium
both the soviets and the us used grease pencils until private industry made a pen that worked in zero g, and when that was invented both space programs used it.
>private industry made a pen that worked in zero g
And it was just a pretty bog-standard ballpoint pen with a pressurized ink cartridge. NASA didn't spend "billions" on it. Fisher Pens made it with a million bucks of their own money, and sold them for $6 each to both NASA and the USSR. In the 1960s that was pretty expensive for a pen, but not like INSANE, it's like a $57 pen in today's dollars.
Reminder that last time Russia tried to out-economy the West, their economy violently exploded, and they were Soviet Union then and were in a better position too.
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and had absolute control. those low IQ types love their multi level marketing cults that scream they're not cults and are REALLY FOR REAL poolitical ideologies. like the tankies and other socialism just makes sense moronic college students.
I see this russian pencil shit daily on here, and it always gets replies. anons, everybody knows the anecdote and the reality behind it, if you see russian pencil in a post, its bait.
I love this anecdote because its just so Russian. Reasons >it never happened >its moronic and makes the russians look bad >but they are still proud of it
They used "normal pencils for free" until the broken graphite floating around damaged their precious cosmonauts' lungs. Then they went and bought those special space pens from NASA.
>You can't defeat these peo
Last time, all it took was giving a MANPADS to goat herders.
You homosexuals are both fricking moronic and can't even search basic history.
Paul Fisher was already developing a pressurized pen and NASA said they wanted to buy, so he went ahead and finished development.
It was a new but commercial product, NASA didn't spend millions developing it.
I think it was the instruments getting damaged, I doubt they would have spent money on NASA pens if it was just dead cosmonauts
I will say sovies buying american corporate pens is funny.
>NATO really doesn't have a response does it?
They are easy to shoot down.
It's not that complicated.
The problem is not if it's "effective" against NATO, it's "efficient" against NATO.
This drone costs very little compared to the tech you need in order to shoot it down.
So it's not a insanely great weapon that completely goes through NATO defenses, it's an annoying mosquito that comes in groups and cost very little to buy and operate.
They have medium levels of accuracy, compared to similar drones, but they are still very effective as a terror weapon and psychological warfare on the Ukranian population.
They are also have a kamikaze feature where they aim and destroy on impactlike a missile.
It's made to overwhelm anti-air defenses through saturation.
They are more of a distraction for other air assets and a ressource waste for the NATO side, that try to shoot them down with advanced weapons.
But a single sophisticated anti-air system like the phalanx, can deal pretty easily with such drones.
Also it makes hella noise. It's very very noisy for a drone of its size.
So kinda like the sirens of the WW2 German Stuka in tems of psychological effect on the people on the recieving end of it.
Well yes and no.
Weapons of terror, like the Germlan V2 rocket don't necesserily need to hit their intendedtargets to cause dread in the population.
It doesn't affect the military forces directly, if Civiliansget hit repeatedly but it does affect morale.
If the morale of the civilians goes down to very low levels, then there will be pressure put on the military / government to sue for peace, meaning they are at a clear disadvantage if this happens.
So really it's about Civilian Morale, more than troops morale.
Civilians still have a say in the War.
If there's an insurection against the Ukranian governement, that would be absolutely catastrophic.
The Russians are low on missile stocks, especially the top of the lines ones.
The embargos really hit their arms industry hard because they can't order chipsto put in theirmissiles anymore so missile production slowed down to a crawl.
The fact that Russia has to buy iranian made drones is a sign that sactions are working.
But going from high tech, high precision missiles, to low tech/low cost low precision suicidal drones, has an effect on how Russians conduct their warfare.
If they keep doing barrages of explosive drones that terrorize the urkanian civs, then their morale will crash and support for the Ukranian military will weaken with time.
Russia doesn't need to Win against the Ukranian military directly, they can attack their relationship with NATO countries.
Like with the Nordstream pipeline sabotage.
Somethink it's the US, some think it's the Russians sabotaging their own infrastructure to try and poison therelationship of Ukraine with the West.
Putin doesn't have many cards left to play, but those are hismost powerful cards he can play right now : create dipomatic mayhem between Ukraine and it's suppporters.
1 year ago
Anonymous
What the frick were you writing that moronic dissertation for? Scenario you're imagining in your fever dream literally never happened in history.
1 year ago
Anonymous
The only time that a pure terror bombardment succeeded in causing a surrender that I know of was the mass flattening of the center of Rotterdam in WW2, even that was only the straw that broke the camels back, as it was a fricking embarrassment for the Germans that beating The Netherlands took more than a day.
(one of the pre-war training exercises of the KNLLM involved biking to the park and shooting ducks)
1 year ago
Anonymous
Intersting. Thanks for sharing that info.
>If they keep doing barrages of explosive drones that terrorize the urkanian civs, then their morale will crash and support for the Ukranian military will weaken with time.
These "barrages" are mostly shot down before reaching their targets. The few that get through and hit apartment buildings and schools and the like kill a handful of people. This isn't hurting the public's morale. It's enraging them and making them more determined than ever to drive the Russians out. Ironically, doing the "terror weapon" shit just steels their resolve. It'd hurt their morale more if civilians were being accidentally killed in legit military attacks. But drones flying into high rise apartments in the middle of large urban areas is obviously just a big "Frick you, Holhol!" and it pisses them off instead of demoralizing them.
I guess it's relative then.
It could have the opposite effect, sure, but I don't know the reality on the ground.
Would have to ask Ukies directly.
>This drone costs very little compared to the tech you need in order to shoot it down.
No it doesnt. Basic static AAA whill clear them off the skies for pennies.
Depending on the type of AA, sure.
Some AA uses dumb munitions, others use guided munitions.
The ones that use guided munitions will probably cost more to operate than the iranian drones themselves.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>The ones that use guided munitions will probably cost more to operate than the iranian drones themselves
Maybe, but the value difference is negligible compared to letting the drone hit its target - in some situations, obviously.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>If they keep doing barrages of explosive drones that terrorize the urkanian civs, then their morale will crash and support for the Ukranian military will weaken with time.
These "barrages" are mostly shot down before reaching their targets. The few that get through and hit apartment buildings and schools and the like kill a handful of people. This isn't hurting the public's morale. It's enraging them and making them more determined than ever to drive the Russians out. Ironically, doing the "terror weapon" shit just steels their resolve. It'd hurt their morale more if civilians were being accidentally killed in legit military attacks. But drones flying into high rise apartments in the middle of large urban areas is obviously just a big "Frick you, Holhol!" and it pisses them off instead of demoralizing them.
Small drones can be countered by old systems like guns and short range missiles. It can also be countered by HPM and other DEWs, and laser systems.
HPM can neutralize swarms entirely. NG already have a Stryker version of this. Lasers are coming online too.
Sensors too have been mobilized. Thede are a bunch of small yet powerful radars already and I think NG is integrating those for organic SHORAD. More powerful radars are coming online too.
You are moronic. First of all NATO is 20 years ahead of Iran on drones (and 50 years ahead of Russia)
Second NATO has had dedicated projects for counter-UAV for literally years now, replacing the individual branch and country projects already ongoing
https://www.nato.int/docu/review/articles/2020/12/16/countering-drones-looking-for-the-silver-bullet/index.html
https://www.ncia.nato.int/about-us/newsroom/nci-agency-helps-protect-nato-operations-against-drone-attacks.html
Third, drone countermeasures are ALREADY a commercial segment of the defense industry, you are trying to pretend things that can be bought off the shelf *right now* are theoretical.
So you are either stupid, stupidly ignorant, or a shill. Now go away adults are talking
Ukraine on it's own shoots down 90% of them. A NATO country wouldn't even break a sweat.
Protip : Iran has been using these against Saudi oil facilities for years, they made a couple successful hits a few years back, nothing since then. So clearly, a hard counter exists, and it's just a matter of giving it to Ukraine.
Anyway, what happened to "you're all going to freeze in winter" cope? You Black folk memoryholed that pretty quick.
Lol remember the United States killed that one moronic Iranian general in Iraq with almost 0 repercussions
Lol looks like the shadow commander died without any sort of meaningful vengeance taken
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yavoriv_military_base_attack >A NATO official stated that there were no NATO personnel at the base, as all personnel had left the country prior to the invasion.
Pidor it was pretty common knowledge that NATO withdrew everyone from Ukraine weeks before Russia invaded.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>A NATO official stated
Yeah sounds trustworthy
1 year ago
Anonymous
Funny thing about NATO, if a bunch of soldiers suddenly die, they can't really cover it up like in authoritarian regimes.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Your proof was "NATO official said" as well lmao
1 year ago
Anonymous
That was your Vatnik "proof" you drunk imbecile.
1 year ago
Anonymous
This is a document from ~2003
Please show me NATO personell actually being physically present in Ukraine now.
1 year ago
Anonymous
I don't see any proofs here. To reiterate, NATO can destroy Russian forces in Ukraine within a week.
1 year ago
Anonymous
8 months into the SMO and they have nothing of the sort.
/k/ope
1 year ago
Anonymous
Not a single NATO soldier has entered a battle so far and Russia has already lost.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>8 months into the SMO
1 year ago
Anonymous
>8 months into the 2 week Special Military Operation.
Cool Webm.
Too bad the guy speaking issuch a moronic homosexual.
- The war in the Pacific was already over by 1944.
- The USA ask Japan repeatedly to surrender.
- The REAL problem was miscomunication between americans and japs. Americans asked for "Unconditionnal Surrender". The Japanese translated that into "They will behead our Emperor" and therefore refused any of the demands of surrender.
- In fact this made it tens times worse. Japanese Civilians were brainwashed by propaganda to think that "Evil American Monsters" would come in to their towns, rape their women, kill their mean and eat their children. Literally. This meant that when Americans took islands with japs on them, most if not ALL japs would commit suicide or would suicide by attacking the US tropps until they died.
- Normal / Western countries would have a 1 to 3 ratio of surrender. Meaning 2 dead soldiers for every 1 soldier who surrendered.
- Japanese ratio of surrender was 12 to 1. 12 Jap soldiers died for every 1 that surrendered.
The Japs were going to fight TO THE DEATH. All of them, no exceptions, even babies would have been given grenades or whatnot.
The Atomic Bomb was dropped RELUCTANTLY by the US.
The US knew this was going to be horrible in the humanitarian sense.
BUT it was a NECESSERAY EVIL to both reduce the number of Allied Soldiers death by Hundreds of Thousands and ALSO reduce the number of dead japanese by TENS OF MILLIONS.
Also the Allies would have stopped at 1 single nuclear bomb if the japanese had surrendered like they should have.
But the japense thought the Americans were bluffing and that the nuke was a one-time thing.
The Americans dropped a second one just to prove a fricking point.
ANd what morons don't know, is that 3rd bomb was on it's way, ready to be dropped, but they didn't.
>RUSSIA HAS CHANGED THE TRAJECTORY OF THE WAR BECAUSE IT HAS INFLICTED MINOR DAMAGE TO POWER SUBSTATIONS AND KILLED A FEW PEOPLE
You are like a little baby, watch this. If you cannot do this, you will never win by airpower alone. And Russia cannot do this.
cont.
If there were no Nuclear Bombs dropped :
- The war would have lasted 1 or 2 more years.
- The country of Japan would have been reduced to actual rubble.
- About 90% of the Japanese population would have died.
It would have been bombing after bombing.
Thousands of planes pounding away at the japs with big bombs, fire bombs and all sorts of nasty stuff.
My own grandfather, who was a WW2 RAF Battle of Britain pilot had recieved a letter explaining him he would be deployed with the yanks to bomb Japan.
SO The Nulclear bombs saved TENS OF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE. Both civs and military.
The Bombs saved more lives than they took.
Learn actual military Hsitory instead of falmling prey for Low IQ PeaceBlack person propaganda.
There, at least, even if your education system failed you, there's people like me with enough patience to explain to morons the complex and counter-intuitive truth of certain wars and battles.
Go read a book about it, Black personhomosexual.
And come back and tell me I'm wrong in any shape or form.
3 weeks ago you shaheed wienersuckers claimed 30% of UA electrical grid was destroyed and one week from than, UA will have no power, water at all and russia wins. 3 weeks have passed. Care to tell me, how is the deelectrifation going??
>US gives Ukraine a handful of its 80s MLRS >MUH WUNDERFWAFFE NATO SUPERWEAPON >Russia has to buy suicide drones from 3rd worlders and spam them in bulk because they ran out of PGM and cruise missiles >WOW NATO HAS NO ANSWER TO THIS KNEEL PIGGIES XAXAXAXA
Its so tiring dealing with these "people"
>This is what nu-/k/ thinks the Banderites winning looks like.
1 year ago
Anonymous
What does it have to do with anything? Russian army is destroyed and mobiks are on the run. Russia is no more.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Russian army is destroyed and mobiks are on the run.
Source: Pulled from anal cavity.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Winners don't get shit like their 1st Tank Guard Army decimated and rendered combat ineffective that badly.
1 year ago
Anonymous
They're 1st guards horse dragoons now. Ukraine will feel the wrath of Russia's eyebrows.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Did you just wake up from coma? Russia has been only retreating for 3 months and they had to mobilize because their standing army got ACKed.
1 year ago
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The only place they were capable of advancing was due to Wagner just throwing more bodies at it and even then it was advancing at a snail's pace
And then the 93rd rolled up and basically kicked their shitty sandcastle over, knocking them all the way back to the starting line.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Artyomovsk is surrounded on three sides and virtually under siege /k/ope
1 year ago
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1 year ago
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>Ukrainian army being in trouble means the west would send less weapons instead of more
Hmmmmmm.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Vatniks are so used to being inhuman they imagine NATO as some kind of villainous mastermind:
>We have lost the city! Please America-sama we need more weapons! >Fufufu...MORE weapons? After your failure? Not likely >B-b-but America-sama! We have made so many gains in the war! >I do not reward failure, Zelensky. See that you do not fail again, or the loss of a city shall be the least of your worries. Begone.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Wagner isn't even close to Bakhmut and have been losing ground daily for the past week.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Dumb vatnig. Conquer it first, then you can rename it to Cumchugovsk, for all I care.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Piggers only renamed it in 2016 - learn some history moron.
1 year ago
Anonymous
That's on them to decide, not you.
1 year ago
Anonymous
It was called Bakhmut since 1571. Learn some history moron.
1 year ago
Anonymous
And before 1924, it was still Bakhmut. So YOU learn some history, tankie.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Post Leningrad, homosexual.
Or Stalingrad, for that matter.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>virtually under siege
the absolute state of vatnik trolls
1 year ago
Anonymous
>virtually under siege
I remember the Kiev offensive when you morons were claiming the entire capital was completely encircled, now you're barely claiming it's "under siege" (from one side only?) so I'm not sure if I should believe there's even any fighting going on
1 year ago
Anonymous
Meant to quote
https://i.imgur.com/o7djXtz.png
Artyomovsk is surrounded on three sides and virtually under siege /k/ope
, frick
1 year ago
Anonymous
Anon, it's VIRTUALLY under siege. As in, on twitter.
1 year ago
Anonymous
lmao this map is outdated
ukies recaptured all the territory Wagner gained in 4 months in a single day
1 year ago
Anonymous
This is out of date, hence why you didn't include the date. Ukrainians' hilariously captured shit loads of stuff back there, including the famed cement or gravel plant whatever.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>it's another episode of vatniks thinking that if they take something mocking them, and turn it around, it will still be funny
1 year ago
Anonymous
Just two more weeks, comrade.
Motherland will be saved.
Just two more weeks of just two more weeks.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>MUUUUUUUUUUUUH BANDEEEEERAAAA >MUHHHH AZOOOOOOOOOOG >DONBABWE AN LUGNADU BOOOM BOOOM BY EBIL NATSIES FOR 8 YEARS
back to chug with your buzzwords
A great way to keep track on the real time situation on the front is by looking at what both sides chose to celebrate.
After 8 months of all out war literally on their border their major accomplishment they’re celebrating as a strategic victory is being able to hit some electrical substations causing a blackout for a few hours. America in iraq were running ops deep behind enemy lines cutting fibre-optic cables and listening in on every single frequency they were using in a country on the other side of the world.
Russia has been so completely and unequivocally buck broken by this war that coping on the internet in their hugboxes is the only thing stopping them from suicide (already an epidemic in Russia). I remember when they were at least celebrating capturing double digit villages after weeks of intense fighting
>Ukraine's shitty soviet AA systems manage to intercept 50% of the drones already >advanced AA systems landing in Ukraine in November >MUH DROOONS
Why are vatBlack folk like this?
I'm surprised no one has mentioned the Gepard yet. They are easily capable of detecting and destroying small hobby drones. A Shahed should be no problem. Good Thread here: https://nitter.it/gepardtatze/status/1583416248703983618 >At shooting breaks we sometimes locked on sea gulls and the Radar tracked them.
>>At shooting breaks we sometimes locked on sea gulls and the Radar tracked them.
There got to be at least one seagul in Ukraine that thought it had a great day, but then it got turned into red mist.
>implying they were ever planning to do anything
Lukashenko at the CSTO meeting:
"You've put forward 2 questions before us. 1st, I'm citing, is an evaluation of events and the position of CSTO -- you've demanded from us to come to a concrete position. You don't know our position? Really? We want the conflict between neighboring countries to be handled in a peaceful way.
2nd question -- give us a roadmap of restoration of Armenia's territorial integrity. What roadmap? I'll answer to you promptly, sit down with Ilham Aliyev, if needed ask president Putin, and make a decision. If you don't do so, things will be worse, you know it yourself. We don't want this conflict. You've put forward 2 questions that are more than strange, Nikol Vovayevich [Pashinyan]."
https://eng.belta.by/president/view/sincere-discussion-and-fitting-proposals-what-lukashenko-talked-about-during-csto-online-summit-154266-2022/
“The issue is very sensitive and delicate. It is not like the CSTO and we, CSTO members are on one side while Azerbaijan is on the other side. The two countries are friendly to us. Yes, indeed, they were part of one country. But moreover, we are members of the Commonwealth of Independent States together with Azerbaijan and Armenia. We have very tight ties with Armenia, which is a Christian Orthodox country and close to us. And with the Islamic state of Azerbaijan, which is very close to us. It is a particularly sensitive issue for other CSTO members, including the Russian Federation where 30 million Muslims live. In other words, all the nuances, all the factors need to be taken into account,” the Belarusian leader stressed.
Aleksandr Lukashenko went on saying: “And after all, is Azerbaijan some enemy or adversary for all the heads of state and countries present here? It is not. I confirm President Putin's words that Armenia and Azerbaijan are kindred countries for us. It is a peculiarity of the situation. We cannot but take it into account.”
The president believes one must not look at the problem by saying there is the Collective Security Treaty Organization and “Are you with us or not?” on one side and Azerbaijan is on the other side. “It is incorrect. Today Azerbaijan is headed by absolutely our kind of a person – Ilham Aliyev. Nobody knows what will happen tomorrow (he cannot live forever after all). This is why the acute issues raised by Nikol Vovayevich [Pashinyan] truly need to be addressed now. While Azerbaijan's current leadership is still in place,” Aleksandr Lukashenko stated. “Regardless of whoever backs Azerbaijan. They say Türkiye does and so on. So what? It is politics. Turks support Azerbaijan because the two countries are close and kindred.”
>implying they were ever planning to do anything
Lukashenko at the CSTO meeting:
"You've put forward 2 questions before us. 1st, I'm citing, is an evaluation of events and the position of CSTO -- you've demanded from us to come to a concrete position. You don't know our position? Really? We want the conflict between neighboring countries to be handled in a peaceful way.
2nd question -- give us a roadmap of restoration of Armenia's territorial integrity. What roadmap? I'll answer to you promptly, sit down with Ilham Aliyev, if needed ask president Putin, and make a decision. If you don't do so, things will be worse, you know it yourself. We don't want this conflict. You've put forward 2 questions that are more than strange, Nikol Vovayevich [Pashinyan]."
I'm honestly a little surprised no one has seriously fielded interceptor drones yet. >catapult launch >small jet or prop driven >armed with MGs
WWII problems require WWII solutions
It's adorable isn't it? Russian agitprop has always worked by pointing out a very few aspects of Europe/US that are worse there, than in Russia. That's how it was before the war. At one point they couldn't use any real points so they had to start making shit up. I believe we've reached the third phase, where they must admit, that they suck at every single category, but *ahem* they could very locally and very temporarily frick shit up some place of their choosing so it gets equally shit as in Russia.
Way to go lads! That's why nobody wants to see you at the adult table
>Iranian ""drones"" >glorified nazi-V2 missiles >fifty of them can barely hit large static target
>Turkish drones >stealth drone capable of firing sophisticated missiles >a dozen of them crippled entire Russia's invasion
The only reasons those cheapass shit work is because NATO didn't provide their counter-weapon to Ukraine in advance and aren't fighting the war themselves.
Should there be military strike against Iran, Iran would lose all its factories in the first week, none of their homemade AA (inferior to even Russian AA) will be able to prevent it.
turk bros..... what happened to bayraktar?
Oh thank goodness, I almost thought you Black folk are gone for good!
Thought you Kiev trolls would struggle to get online with no power
Why do some of the buildings have their lights on? You know that wouldnt happen during a power outage right?
This here, what you see, is called a "blackout". Its been common in wars for decades. You would know this if you were a regular on this board, instead of the /misc/tard shitstain that you are.
Someone post the unshopped version
LMAO ITS JUST LOWERED EXPOSURE
>car headlights on during the daytime
You two aren't very bright are you
They've mistaken an artificially brightened one for the original - nu-/k/ indeed
Ask me how I know you're a bunch of dirty poor busriders with no drivers license.
do you not realize that car headlights being on during daylight is one of the traffic rules in ukraine?
https://www.rhinocarhire.com/Drive-Smart-Blog/Drive-Smart-Ukraine.aspx#:~:text=In%20Ukraine%20you%20drive%20on,often%20ignored%20by%20the%20locals.
nu-/k/ indeed homosexual
Same as everywhere in Europe. These must be some south Americans again.
>In Ukraine you drive on the right and need to use headlights during the day between 1st October and 30th April.
Did you notice how the headlights are INCREDIBLY dim in the dark photo? They don't illuminate shit. Also, pic related, many European countries including Ukraine have mandatory headlight requierements during daytime.
Biggest tell is actually the reflection in the water. Bodies of water only reflect images in VERY bright lighting.
Ah, that explains why the picture looks so cool. I couldn't put my finger on it. Reflections in dark water make for eerie pictures.
>car headlights on during the daytime
Modern cars have light detection that automatically switches the headlights on if it's below a certain level and the second photo looks just like what I see all the time in the afternoon/early evening here.
Unimaginable science fiction technology to RusBlack folk and turd world filth, I know. Just like we have these machines, that sort of spin dirty clothes round and round and then they come out clean and dry.
It's not that, it's traffic regulations. Here in Scandinavia we literally always drive with headlights on, even in summer when we have a lot of daylight.
>spin dirty clothes round and round and then they come out clean and dry.
Yeah okay buddy. Next you're gonna sell me a tiny room to keep them all hanging up with little wire doodads? I'm so sure.
It's compulsory in Europe you fricking rtard.
>he's never been on vacation in Europe
Stop being poor
>Stop being poor
That's what I say to people who tell me that they live in Europe.
chilean here, they also turn on the headlights during the day here
Here's the actual original source
>https://pictures.reuters.com/archive/UKRAINE-CRISIS-KYIV-BLACKOUT-RC2S7X9LP31E.html
The Reuters article it was used in
>https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/survival-kits-lifts-kyiv-residents-get-creative-amid-power-cuts-2022-10-27/
And the photographer's profile on Reuters website
>https://widerimage.reuters.com/photographer/gleb-garanich
Now stop being moronic and making me sad that the fricking vatnik wasn't completely full of shit.
Absolute kino shot.
all got shot down within a week apparently
is that ben garrison? that looks like his work but doesn't have his annoying ass signature or the labels he puts on everything.
I've never seen a ben garrison drawing with perspective
You can use AI to make shit in ben garrison's style.
laser systems. works to ignite warheads. works to melt batteries.
This. The proliferation of drones is hard countered by mass produced laser systems. The technology is available, but there hasn't been enough demand to make it happen until now. As soon as mass production capacity is set up somewhere these will likely proliferate extremely quickly now that this war has shown the danger posed by small shitty drones.
mirrors
Dont work as intended, as mirrored surfaces are mere micrometers thick
Meaning the laser will burn off the reflective surface in an instant
Only way mirrors would work is if the projectile spun at high speeds to continuously feed new material into the path of the laser
Damn It was really nice that vatBlack folk stopped spamming shahed threads but i guess that was just a fantasy
NATO absolutely does, but most of the solutions involve electronic warfare, directed energy, lasers and some of our newest missiles - stuff that's all too new and in need to give away.
>NATO absolutely does
Currently it does not.
> electronic warfare
won't do shit against a preprogrammed drone with reasonably accurate INS
>lasers
not currently in production so if Russia started spamming them together, there's nothing anybody could do about it. hence why the trouble in Ukraine. and hence why
needs to happen
NATO does not Ukraine (not atm NATO) wouldn’t iron some patriot systems deal with these easily with some new programming?
>wouldn’t iron some patriot systems deal with these easily with some new programming?
what?
Assuming you meant what I think you meant, any air defense system can kill these things without breaking a sweat. The problem is that a patriot missile is like 200 times more expensive than the thing you suggest it destroy. Which means you can have 200 drones for every missile. moron.
Apologies for my previous post was shitfaced on new phone. We have more money then they do. Can’t that be temp fix? Until we prepare another solution
ESL Black person babble gibberish.
>What is an UPS
>lets use a UPS for a room light
moron post
>What is an UPS
>Currently it does not.
My guy you are just moronic
NATO has the capabilities to target and destroy shahed drones even in large swarms
Show me the inventory of these things in sufficient numbers to surround every target of value and cover every angle of approach.
You homosexuals really don't understand what the drone threat is all about, do you? It's economic/logistical, not tactical. Nobody ever said the shahed can't be killed, you can fricking swat them out of the sky with AKs. The problem is that with the sorts of air defense systems currently in use, it's prohibitively expensive to counter dirt cheap and simple suicide drones like these.
There are multiple nato AA systems them are designed to counter slow moving Arial targets with cannons or other guns. They all can shoot down drones like this with extremely cheap munitions. Shahed is also so innacurate it provides little tactical advantage against conventional forces.
the west can just throw money at logistics problems until they go away, if they have to.
also i still find it funny that the iranians are overcharging so much for the shaded, they must be laughing their asses off.
>Show me the inventory of these things in sufficient numbers
I guess we'll build a few hundred of them then. Once the entry cost has been paid, the sustainment of them rapidly shifts the equation against Russia.
Just one of the things you can do with a MIC that can actually produce shit. :^)
Literally everything of value has a defensive system even in Ukraine. Striking civilian infrastructure doesn't actually have much value beyond pissing people off, and the handful of civilian deaths, while sad, aren't particularly valuable in the context of a war, especially one where it's been as much of an artillery fest on big cities.
America's made enough of these that Iowa-class museum ships still have their CIWS turrets
>it's prohibitively expensive to counter dirt cheap and simple suicide drones like these.
This fricking brainlet-tier take AGAIN! It is never prohibitively expensive to shoot down a drone, no matter how cheap the drone or how expensive the missile you fire at it. No one is ever going to say
>yeah , we could shoot down that drone, prevent the destruction of wherever it lands, and save the lives of the people in the way, BUT THINK OF THE COST!
Besides, Ukraine is getting western AA systems for the low price of absolutely free, so unless Russia is getting paid to take these drones off of Iran's hands, then no, the attrition equation does not work out in their favor.
>Show me the inventory of these things in sufficient numbers to surround every target of value and cover every angle of approach.
2000 produced just for the phalanx.
Now you show us the inventory of your methods of deploying your shitty missiles with any "angle of approach".
Then you show us how many you can produce any once you've wasted 90% of your stockpile.
Not even several trucks of those missiles would get through a defense network that isn't scavenged soviet scrap.
>economical
Should Iran attack anything of real value, they'd soon be unable to feed themselves let alone produce anything. Their only allies would have been Russia or other terrorist-states.
Iran would have better chance attacking any weak country trading with their enemy.
Even France would shoot those shitty missile at a 99% rate and defeat Iran by themselves. There's a reason terrorists have not been able to strap explosive to RC drone and hit even a refinery.
So yes, Iran would do some damage. Then lose their country and not even from occident interference, just from their revolting population.
>spend $10mil bullets to shoot a $200 drone
That's western efficiency for you, all right. There was even a famous case where NASA spent billions developing a special space pen while the russians just laughed at them and used normal pencils for free. You can't defeat these peo
I love this anecdote because its just so Russian. Reasons
>it never happened
>its moronic and makes the russians look bad
>but they are still proud of it
They used "normal pencils for free" until the broken graphite floating around damaged their precious cosmonauts' lungs. Then they went and bought those special space pens from NASA.
>You can't defeat these peo
Last time, all it took was giving a MANPADS to goat herders.
I think it was the instruments getting damaged, I doubt they would have spent money on NASA pens if it was just dead cosmonauts
>spend $10mil bullets to shoot a $200 drone
Russia will go broke losing $200 at a time before the west would go broke losing $10mil at a time.
>while the russians just laughed at them and used normal pencils for free.
That's why you're a shitskin: you don't even that graphite is conductive.
>You can't defeat these peo
The ukies certainly are, 8 months into a 3 Day Operation, still hanging in there, still making Russia bleed
Also that example is fricking bullshit.
My brother in christ you are banking on the ability of the Russian state to triumph in the financial sector against economic heavyweight giants like Belgium
both the soviets and the us used grease pencils until private industry made a pen that worked in zero g, and when that was invented both space programs used it.
>private industry made a pen that worked in zero g
And it was just a pretty bog-standard ballpoint pen with a pressurized ink cartridge. NASA didn't spend "billions" on it. Fisher Pens made it with a million bucks of their own money, and sold them for $6 each to both NASA and the USSR. In the 1960s that was pretty expensive for a pen, but not like INSANE, it's like a $57 pen in today's dollars.
waiter, this pasta is stale, and expired in the 90s. the health inspector is going to see to you bucko.
Reminder that last time Russia tried to out-economy the West, their economy violently exploded, and they were Soviet Union then and were in a better position too.
and had absolute control. those low IQ types love their multi level marketing cults that scream they're not cults and are REALLY FOR REAL poolitical ideologies. like the tankies and other socialism just makes sense moronic college students.
This has to be bait dude the Russian pencil works literally every time wtf
>graphite shavings in your 0g floating spess computer
You’re a midwit, stop posting until you understand why
That's the "real" joke of that joke, they just used grease sticks.
I see this russian pencil shit daily on here, and it always gets replies. anons, everybody knows the anecdote and the reality behind it, if you see russian pencil in a post, its bait.
is that the Boog or a random pajeet? honestly can't tell
You homosexuals are both fricking moronic and can't even search basic history.
Paul Fisher was already developing a pressurized pen and NASA said they wanted to buy, so he went ahead and finished development.
It was a new but commercial product, NASA didn't spend millions developing it.
I will say sovies buying american corporate pens is funny.
because having broken pieces of flamable material in space is pretty bad
>NATO really doesn't have a response does it?
They are easy to shoot down.
It's not that complicated.
The problem is not if it's "effective" against NATO, it's "efficient" against NATO.
This drone costs very little compared to the tech you need in order to shoot it down.
So it's not a insanely great weapon that completely goes through NATO defenses, it's an annoying mosquito that comes in groups and cost very little to buy and operate.
They have medium levels of accuracy, compared to similar drones, but they are still very effective as a terror weapon and psychological warfare on the Ukranian population.
They are also have a kamikaze feature where they aim and destroy on impactlike a missile.
It's made to overwhelm anti-air defenses through saturation.
They are more of a distraction for other air assets and a ressource waste for the NATO side, that try to shoot them down with advanced weapons.
But a single sophisticated anti-air system like the phalanx, can deal pretty easily with such drones.
Also it makes hella noise. It's very very noisy for a drone of its size.
So kinda like the sirens of the WW2 German Stuka in tems of psychological effect on the people on the recieving end of it.
>but they are still very effective as a terror weapon
insofar as those are effective (which they aren't)
Well yes and no.
Weapons of terror, like the Germlan V2 rocket don't necesserily need to hit their intendedtargets to cause dread in the population.
It doesn't affect the military forces directly, if Civiliansget hit repeatedly but it does affect morale.
If the morale of the civilians goes down to very low levels, then there will be pressure put on the military / government to sue for peace, meaning they are at a clear disadvantage if this happens.
So really it's about Civilian Morale, more than troops morale.
Civilians still have a say in the War.
If there's an insurection against the Ukranian governement, that would be absolutely catastrophic.
The Russians are low on missile stocks, especially the top of the lines ones.
The embargos really hit their arms industry hard because they can't order chipsto put in theirmissiles anymore so missile production slowed down to a crawl.
The fact that Russia has to buy iranian made drones is a sign that sactions are working.
But going from high tech, high precision missiles, to low tech/low cost low precision suicidal drones, has an effect on how Russians conduct their warfare.
If they keep doing barrages of explosive drones that terrorize the urkanian civs, then their morale will crash and support for the Ukranian military will weaken with time.
Russia doesn't need to Win against the Ukranian military directly, they can attack their relationship with NATO countries.
Like with the Nordstream pipeline sabotage.
Somethink it's the US, some think it's the Russians sabotaging their own infrastructure to try and poison therelationship of Ukraine with the West.
Putin doesn't have many cards left to play, but those are hismost powerful cards he can play right now : create dipomatic mayhem between Ukraine and it's suppporters.
What the frick were you writing that moronic dissertation for? Scenario you're imagining in your fever dream literally never happened in history.
The only time that a pure terror bombardment succeeded in causing a surrender that I know of was the mass flattening of the center of Rotterdam in WW2, even that was only the straw that broke the camels back, as it was a fricking embarrassment for the Germans that beating The Netherlands took more than a day.
(one of the pre-war training exercises of the KNLLM involved biking to the park and shooting ducks)
Intersting. Thanks for sharing that info.
I guess it's relative then.
It could have the opposite effect, sure, but I don't know the reality on the ground.
Would have to ask Ukies directly.
Depending on the type of AA, sure.
Some AA uses dumb munitions, others use guided munitions.
The ones that use guided munitions will probably cost more to operate than the iranian drones themselves.
>The ones that use guided munitions will probably cost more to operate than the iranian drones themselves
Maybe, but the value difference is negligible compared to letting the drone hit its target - in some situations, obviously.
>If they keep doing barrages of explosive drones that terrorize the urkanian civs, then their morale will crash and support for the Ukranian military will weaken with time.
These "barrages" are mostly shot down before reaching their targets. The few that get through and hit apartment buildings and schools and the like kill a handful of people. This isn't hurting the public's morale. It's enraging them and making them more determined than ever to drive the Russians out. Ironically, doing the "terror weapon" shit just steels their resolve. It'd hurt their morale more if civilians were being accidentally killed in legit military attacks. But drones flying into high rise apartments in the middle of large urban areas is obviously just a big "Frick you, Holhol!" and it pisses them off instead of demoralizing them.
>This drone costs very little compared to the tech you need in order to shoot it down.
No it doesnt. Basic static AAA whill clear them off the skies for pennies.
Nato absolutely does. Everything from bombing them before they launch, to ciws mounted on trucks.
>won't do shit against a preprogrammed drone with reasonably accurate INS
The drones in question aren't that.
And NATO does have all the capability that I mentioned.
Small drones can be countered by old systems like guns and short range missiles. It can also be countered by HPM and other DEWs, and laser systems.
HPM can neutralize swarms entirely. NG already have a Stryker version of this. Lasers are coming online too.
Sensors too have been mobilized. Thede are a bunch of small yet powerful radars already and I think NG is integrating those for organic SHORAD. More powerful radars are coming online too.
You make it sound like a wunderwaffe.
You write like Copechair Sperglord.
You are moronic. First of all NATO is 20 years ahead of Iran on drones (and 50 years ahead of Russia)
Second NATO has had dedicated projects for counter-UAV for literally years now, replacing the individual branch and country projects already ongoing
https://www.nato.int/docu/review/articles/2020/12/16/countering-drones-looking-for-the-silver-bullet/index.html
https://www.ncia.nato.int/about-us/newsroom/nci-agency-helps-protect-nato-operations-against-drone-attacks.html
Third, drone countermeasures are ALREADY a commercial segment of the defense industry, you are trying to pretend things that can be bought off the shelf *right now* are theoretical.
So you are either stupid, stupidly ignorant, or a shill. Now go away adults are talking
What, autocannon air defense could pop them.
Frick your mudda
I really like that image (:
>no repsonse
Oh no, a slow and inaccurate ghetto cruise missile. Laughable that russia has been reduced to this.
Please remember to report & hide, thank you.
Ukraine on it's own shoots down 90% of them. A NATO country wouldn't even break a sweat.
Protip : Iran has been using these against Saudi oil facilities for years, they made a couple successful hits a few years back, nothing since then. So clearly, a hard counter exists, and it's just a matter of giving it to Ukraine.
Anyway, what happened to "you're all going to freeze in winter" cope? You Black folk memoryholed that pretty quick.
NG prices in EU went negative, also this winter in EU will be warmer. Can't say the same about rusnigs though
Iran will give us those deadly drones to bomb every Azeri city and moving target. Greater Armenia soon.
>April 27, 2017
Learn to read NATOtard
Learn to think Zigger
How does that change the fact the article linked has nothing to do with currant situation?
>currant
mmm yummy
>Ivan Avamov from Berlin oblast
Fricking diasporagays
>the stuka of our time
So mostly ineffectual at dealing with anything except unentrenched infantry?
Xaxaxaxa, nato is pathetic paper dragon. Push come shove west will tremble! Am John from Texas Oblast
>Russian being depicted with actual boat
At least draw something believable
Our response is blowing up the c**ts launching them. Ukraine currently lacks the long range precision firepower to do that.
Lol remember the United States killed that one moronic Iranian general in Iraq with almost 0 repercussions
Lol looks like the shadow commander died without any sort of meaningful vengeance taken
Considering that literally nothing inside it is produced in Iran, simply tightening the sanction control should kill Iranian drones completely.
27, 2017
Lern2Reed
>/k/ope
Dude, muh superpower is reduced to throwing muslim paper planes.
>NATO really doesn't have a response does it?
Dream on, shitskin.
Israelis shoot down shaheds all the time.
Israel isn't in NATO maroon
Then Shaheds never targeted a NATO nation and thus this thread is a complete nonsense.
NATO forces are active in Ukraine
May we see them?
https://www.nato.int/structur/nmlo/links/yavoriv-training-centre.pdf
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yavoriv_military_base_attack
>A NATO official stated that there were no NATO personnel at the base, as all personnel had left the country prior to the invasion.
Pidor it was pretty common knowledge that NATO withdrew everyone from Ukraine weeks before Russia invaded.
>A NATO official stated
Yeah sounds trustworthy
Funny thing about NATO, if a bunch of soldiers suddenly die, they can't really cover it up like in authoritarian regimes.
Your proof was "NATO official said" as well lmao
That was your Vatnik "proof" you drunk imbecile.
This is a document from ~2003
Please show me NATO personell actually being physically present in Ukraine now.
I don't see any proofs here. To reiterate, NATO can destroy Russian forces in Ukraine within a week.
8 months into the SMO and they have nothing of the sort.
/k/ope
Not a single NATO soldier has entered a battle so far and Russia has already lost.
>8 months into the SMO
>8 months into the 2 week Special Military Operation.
If they were Russia would have ceased to exist months ago.
ahem
"lead singer"
THEY ARE /k/OPING,/k/OPING AND SEETHING,
/k/OPING SO MUUUUUCH
"choir in the background"
/k/ooooping,/k/ooooping and seeething
What happened yesterday? Vatniks have been silent on /k/ for days, and they usually only start posting shit threads in response to Ukrainian victories
>they dont have a cheap response widely available immediately, therefore they don't have a response
What level of cope is this?
Hide thread
Problem solved
Do they need one? They aren't able to successfully attack military targets. They are civilian annoyance drones.
>RUSSIA HAS CHANGED THE TRAJECTORY OF THE WAR BECAUSE IT HAS INFLICTED MINOR DAMAGE TO POWER SUBSTATIONS AND KILLED A FEW PEOPLE
You are like a little baby, watch this. If you cannot do this, you will never win by airpower alone. And Russia cannot do this.
Cool Webm.
Too bad the guy speaking issuch a moronic homosexual.
- The war in the Pacific was already over by 1944.
- The USA ask Japan repeatedly to surrender.
- The REAL problem was miscomunication between americans and japs. Americans asked for "Unconditionnal Surrender". The Japanese translated that into "They will behead our Emperor" and therefore refused any of the demands of surrender.
- In fact this made it tens times worse. Japanese Civilians were brainwashed by propaganda to think that "Evil American Monsters" would come in to their towns, rape their women, kill their mean and eat their children. Literally. This meant that when Americans took islands with japs on them, most if not ALL japs would commit suicide or would suicide by attacking the US tropps until they died.
- Normal / Western countries would have a 1 to 3 ratio of surrender. Meaning 2 dead soldiers for every 1 soldier who surrendered.
- Japanese ratio of surrender was 12 to 1. 12 Jap soldiers died for every 1 that surrendered.
The Japs were going to fight TO THE DEATH. All of them, no exceptions, even babies would have been given grenades or whatnot.
The Atomic Bomb was dropped RELUCTANTLY by the US.
The US knew this was going to be horrible in the humanitarian sense.
BUT it was a NECESSERAY EVIL to both reduce the number of Allied Soldiers death by Hundreds of Thousands and ALSO reduce the number of dead japanese by TENS OF MILLIONS.
Also the Allies would have stopped at 1 single nuclear bomb if the japanese had surrendered like they should have.
But the japense thought the Americans were bluffing and that the nuke was a one-time thing.
The Americans dropped a second one just to prove a fricking point.
ANd what morons don't know, is that 3rd bomb was on it's way, ready to be dropped, but they didn't.
cont.
cont.
If there were no Nuclear Bombs dropped :
- The war would have lasted 1 or 2 more years.
- The country of Japan would have been reduced to actual rubble.
- About 90% of the Japanese population would have died.
It would have been bombing after bombing.
Thousands of planes pounding away at the japs with big bombs, fire bombs and all sorts of nasty stuff.
My own grandfather, who was a WW2 RAF Battle of Britain pilot had recieved a letter explaining him he would be deployed with the yanks to bomb Japan.
SO The Nulclear bombs saved TENS OF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE. Both civs and military.
The Bombs saved more lives than they took.
Learn actual military Hsitory instead of falmling prey for Low IQ PeaceBlack person propaganda.
There, at least, even if your education system failed you, there's people like me with enough patience to explain to morons the complex and counter-intuitive truth of certain wars and battles.
Go read a book about it, Black personhomosexual.
And come back and tell me I'm wrong in any shape or form.
3 weeks ago you shaheed wienersuckers claimed 30% of UA electrical grid was destroyed and one week from than, UA will have no power, water at all and russia wins. 3 weeks have passed. Care to tell me, how is the deelectrifation going??
Very well
>traffic lights still on
uh anon
You're an actual moron lmao
Idiot, you turn off power to not give aircraft shit to hit easier, power is very clearly on.
>US gives Ukraine a handful of its 80s MLRS
>MUH WUNDERFWAFFE NATO SUPERWEAPON
>Russia has to buy suicide drones from 3rd worlders and spam them in bulk because they ran out of PGM and cruise missiles
>WOW NATO HAS NO ANSWER TO THIS KNEEL PIGGIES XAXAXAXA
Its so tiring dealing with these "people"
we could deindustrialize iran with a risen eyebrow, unironically
All you can do is trans children NATO homosexual
We can deindustrialize Iran using only trans children as the drone operators.
Russia has already lost lmao.
>This is what nu-/k/ thinks the Banderites winning looks like.
What does it have to do with anything? Russian army is destroyed and mobiks are on the run. Russia is no more.
>Russian army is destroyed and mobiks are on the run.
Source: Pulled from anal cavity.
Winners don't get shit like their 1st Tank Guard Army decimated and rendered combat ineffective that badly.
They're 1st guards horse dragoons now. Ukraine will feel the wrath of Russia's eyebrows.
Did you just wake up from coma? Russia has been only retreating for 3 months and they had to mobilize because their standing army got ACKed.
The only place they were capable of advancing was due to Wagner just throwing more bodies at it and even then it was advancing at a snail's pace
And then the 93rd rolled up and basically kicked their shitty sandcastle over, knocking them all the way back to the starting line.
Artyomovsk is surrounded on three sides and virtually under siege /k/ope
>Ukrainian army being in trouble means the west would send less weapons instead of more
Hmmmmmm.
Vatniks are so used to being inhuman they imagine NATO as some kind of villainous mastermind:
>We have lost the city! Please America-sama we need more weapons!
>Fufufu...MORE weapons? After your failure? Not likely
>B-b-but America-sama! We have made so many gains in the war!
>I do not reward failure, Zelensky. See that you do not fail again, or the loss of a city shall be the least of your worries. Begone.
Wagner isn't even close to Bakhmut and have been losing ground daily for the past week.
Dumb vatnig. Conquer it first, then you can rename it to Cumchugovsk, for all I care.
Piggers only renamed it in 2016 - learn some history moron.
That's on them to decide, not you.
It was called Bakhmut since 1571. Learn some history moron.
And before 1924, it was still Bakhmut. So YOU learn some history, tankie.
Post Leningrad, homosexual.
Or Stalingrad, for that matter.
>virtually under siege
the absolute state of vatnik trolls
>virtually under siege
I remember the Kiev offensive when you morons were claiming the entire capital was completely encircled, now you're barely claiming it's "under siege" (from one side only?) so I'm not sure if I should believe there's even any fighting going on
Meant to quote
, frick
Anon, it's VIRTUALLY under siege. As in, on twitter.
lmao this map is outdated
ukies recaptured all the territory Wagner gained in 4 months in a single day
This is out of date, hence why you didn't include the date. Ukrainians' hilariously captured shit loads of stuff back there, including the famed cement or gravel plant whatever.
>it's another episode of vatniks thinking that if they take something mocking them, and turn it around, it will still be funny
Just two more weeks, comrade.
Motherland will be saved.
Just two more weeks of just two more weeks.
>MUUUUUUUUUUUUH BANDEEEEERAAAA
>MUHHHH AZOOOOOOOOOOG
>DONBABWE AN LUGNADU BOOOM BOOOM BY EBIL NATSIES FOR 8 YEARS
back to chug with your buzzwords
>implying the vatBlack folk on this board aren't also newbies
>iran, a country that literally does forced transing as policy, is our bastion against the mulatto troon army
???
Iran has the highest numbers of trannies per million out of any country you stupid jiggaboo.
Does this gay not realize Iran turns gay men into trannies to make them "straight"? Iran legit has forced troony conversion threapy.
god I wish we'd shock and awe iran into nonexistence
/k/ is so fricking shit now. everybody who ever posted on leddit should just frick off forever.
>wahhhhhhh the narrative didn't take hold time to make a new thread
you can't even call putin a israelite
haha so ebin, good joge, updooted with 1 bazingian internetz golds XD my fellow 2015 old gays
Black person when i was a newbie wienermongler was fresh content. kys
This, but telegram.
>leddit
no one cares.
2023. World surrenders to Iran.
...we haven't heard or seen any new strikes for a week...
>someone somewhere believes this enough to draw it
kek
>made of 99% western parts
Shouldn't shahed be kneeling before the mighty west?
A great way to keep track on the real time situation on the front is by looking at what both sides chose to celebrate.
After 8 months of all out war literally on their border their major accomplishment they’re celebrating as a strategic victory is being able to hit some electrical substations causing a blackout for a few hours. America in iraq were running ops deep behind enemy lines cutting fibre-optic cables and listening in on every single frequency they were using in a country on the other side of the world.
Russia has been so completely and unequivocally buck broken by this war that coping on the internet in their hugboxes is the only thing stopping them from suicide (already an epidemic in Russia). I remember when they were at least celebrating capturing double digit villages after weeks of intense fighting
Look at how they completely ignored this, they can’t address it because they know it’s correct
>Ukraine's shitty soviet AA systems manage to intercept 50% of the drones already
>advanced AA systems landing in Ukraine in November
>MUH DROOONS
Why are vatBlack folk like this?
so successful that russia has made zero territorial gains since its inception
lmao this thread is unrecoverable. the iran discord WILL shit out a new one instead of trying to salvage it, I feel it
Auf der Heide blüht ein kleines Blümelein
So nobody is going to talk about what happened to those drones in Syria a few hours ago?
It has. Only thing those flying mopeds are good for is terror bombing civilians. They won't do shit against military bases and protected facilities.
I'm surprised no one has mentioned the Gepard yet. They are easily capable of detecting and destroying small hobby drones. A Shahed should be no problem. Good Thread here: https://nitter.it/gepardtatze/status/1583416248703983618
>At shooting breaks we sometimes locked on sea gulls and the Radar tracked them.
See
Ye, I saw it, I wrote my reply before the thread updated lol
>>At shooting breaks we sometimes locked on sea gulls and the Radar tracked them.
There got to be at least one seagul in Ukraine that thought it had a great day, but then it got turned into red mist.
Gepard not used to mow down vatniks is a Gepard not used properly
Moderate btw
This response seemed pretty good.
Renewed appetite for clapping Iranian targets without international backlash is one of my top ten outcomes of this war
qrd?
mossad in iran killed the guy supplying the drones to russia
Ah yes, I too enjoy shithole authoritarian regiemes
What is that silly red/blue flag in the top corner of that bearded gay man?
The old Haitian flag. He's an old school BBC aficionado
ukrainian pig cages after geran contact
Iranian toy hasn't hit a single military target so far.
Iran: "If we had given our newest drones to Russia, there wouldn't be a Ukraine anymore"
Whoever said anything about "newest"? These are cheap shitboxes.
Curious, when is CSTO going to honor their version of Article 5 and protect Armenia for fricking once?
well Russian shills were quite vocal that HATO wont defend Baltic's or Poland...
and if Russia accuses someone of something it means they plan to do exactly that...
>implying they were ever planning to do anything
Lukashenko at the CSTO meeting:
"You've put forward 2 questions before us. 1st, I'm citing, is an evaluation of events and the position of CSTO -- you've demanded from us to come to a concrete position. You don't know our position? Really? We want the conflict between neighboring countries to be handled in a peaceful way.
2nd question -- give us a roadmap of restoration of Armenia's territorial integrity. What roadmap? I'll answer to you promptly, sit down with Ilham Aliyev, if needed ask president Putin, and make a decision. If you don't do so, things will be worse, you know it yourself. We don't want this conflict. You've put forward 2 questions that are more than strange, Nikol Vovayevich [Pashinyan]."
https://eng.belta.by/president/view/sincere-discussion-and-fitting-proposals-what-lukashenko-talked-about-during-csto-online-summit-154266-2022/
“The issue is very sensitive and delicate. It is not like the CSTO and we, CSTO members are on one side while Azerbaijan is on the other side. The two countries are friendly to us. Yes, indeed, they were part of one country. But moreover, we are members of the Commonwealth of Independent States together with Azerbaijan and Armenia. We have very tight ties with Armenia, which is a Christian Orthodox country and close to us. And with the Islamic state of Azerbaijan, which is very close to us. It is a particularly sensitive issue for other CSTO members, including the Russian Federation where 30 million Muslims live. In other words, all the nuances, all the factors need to be taken into account,” the Belarusian leader stressed.
Aleksandr Lukashenko went on saying: “And after all, is Azerbaijan some enemy or adversary for all the heads of state and countries present here? It is not. I confirm President Putin's words that Armenia and Azerbaijan are kindred countries for us. It is a peculiarity of the situation. We cannot but take it into account.”
The president believes one must not look at the problem by saying there is the Collective Security Treaty Organization and “Are you with us or not?” on one side and Azerbaijan is on the other side. “It is incorrect. Today Azerbaijan is headed by absolutely our kind of a person – Ilham Aliyev. Nobody knows what will happen tomorrow (he cannot live forever after all). This is why the acute issues raised by Nikol Vovayevich [Pashinyan] truly need to be addressed now. While Azerbaijan's current leadership is still in place,” Aleksandr Lukashenko stated. “Regardless of whoever backs Azerbaijan. They say Türkiye does and so on. So what? It is politics. Turks support Azerbaijan because the two countries are close and kindred.”
>implying they were ever planning to do anything
Lukashenko at the CSTO meeting:
"You've put forward 2 questions before us. 1st, I'm citing, is an evaluation of events and the position of CSTO -- you've demanded from us to come to a concrete position. You don't know our position? Really? We want the conflict between neighboring countries to be handled in a peaceful way.
2nd question -- give us a roadmap of restoration of Armenia's territorial integrity. What roadmap? I'll answer to you promptly, sit down with Ilham Aliyev, if needed ask president Putin, and make a decision. If you don't do so, things will be worse, you know it yourself. We don't want this conflict. You've put forward 2 questions that are more than strange, Nikol Vovayevich [Pashinyan]."
>drawing an image
to the beheading off you go
are there any new cargo flights from iran to russia?
I see the Anglo-Prime (UK) avoided the propaganda shoot
>b-b-but EU flag
Not in the EU.
>Gepard AA tanks in action. Target practice with those Iranian garbage drones. >https://files.catbox.moe/l5hd44.mp4 WW2 vibes
wrong pic
bump
I'm honestly a little surprised no one has seriously fielded interceptor drones yet.
>catapult launch
>small jet or prop driven
>armed with MGs
WWII problems require WWII solutions
We can bomb Iran into a wasteland.
I figure that this would be a good enough response.
It's adorable isn't it? Russian agitprop has always worked by pointing out a very few aspects of Europe/US that are worse there, than in Russia. That's how it was before the war. At one point they couldn't use any real points so they had to start making shit up. I believe we've reached the third phase, where they must admit, that they suck at every single category, but *ahem* they could very locally and very temporarily frick shit up some place of their choosing so it gets equally shit as in Russia.
Way to go lads! That's why nobody wants to see you at the adult table
>Iranian ""drones""
>glorified nazi-V2 missiles
>fifty of them can barely hit large static target
>Turkish drones
>stealth drone capable of firing sophisticated missiles
>a dozen of them crippled entire Russia's invasion
The only reasons those cheapass shit work is because NATO didn't provide their counter-weapon to Ukraine in advance and aren't fighting the war themselves.
Should there be military strike against Iran, Iran would lose all its factories in the first week, none of their homemade AA (inferior to even Russian AA) will be able to prevent it.
Oh god! We have no response to their next gen fighter. What will we do?