NATO is testing their toys in Ukraine.

Western heavy equipment supplies announced to be delivered to Ukraine
Tanks
>14 Challenger 2s
>90 T-72EAs
>AMX-10s (unkown quantity
IFVs
>100 strykers
>109 bradleys
>50 CV9040s
>40 marders
APCs
>100 UK armored vehicles including bulldog
>100 US Armoured Medical Treatment Vehicles
MRAPs
>30 cougars
>108 assorted US MRAPs
IMVs
>20 ACMAT Bastions
>100 Light Tactical Vehicles
Artillery
>72 towed 105mm Howitzers
>12 Archers
>25 155mm Caesar 8x8s
>24 155mm ShKH Zuzana 2s
>20 155mm M109A4BEs
>18 155mm RCH-155s
>18 155mm RCH-155s
>30 155mm AS-90s
AA
>L70 anti-aircraft guns(unspecified number)
>S-60 57mm anti-aircraft guns (unspecified number)
>NASAMS Battery
>8 AN/TWQ-1 Avengers
> 3 patriot Batteries

  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Will this equipment make a large difference on the battlefield?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      UAF have ~300 155mm howitzers minus losses.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        We know at least a quarter of those are lost by image proof so I assume at least half are lost.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I counted 51.
          But this
          >so I assume at least half are lost
          tells me that you're brown and belong to /leftychug/.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Nope I'm very pro Ukraine (especially Azov) but Oryx numbers are going to be incorrect because Ukraine keeps opsec on losses and Russia doesn't take ground fast enough to photo losses. 155mm towed artillery is very vulnerable especially yo loitering munitions and the reaction of the US mil in this conflict about towed artillery makes me think they are taking heavy losses. Also when Milley estimated Ukraine had taken around 100k military casualties I knew materiel losses had to be similar to Russia's

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Everybody who is not a retard knows very well that Oryx only posts documented losses and that actual losses are (much) higher. But even documented losses are so abysmal that they send puccioid minds into overdrive.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Milley estimated Ukraine had taken around 100k military casualties
              Milley also estimated that Ukraine would fall in 72hrs.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              it's sad that PrepHole has such a gay culture like reddit where you pussies have to make clear which side you are on so the other posters can decide whether to believe your post or not lmao

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Agreed, that was gayy of me

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If we were actually gays we'd be on HIV puccia'd buttholes side.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                what's sad is that all you'll have after draining the entire west's balls on your demographic curve is a bag of moldy buckwheat and a couple (you)s

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >because Ukraine keeps opsec on losses and Russia doesn't take ground fast enough to photo losses
              Russia kept opsec on their losses too, doesn't stop them from having 9000 verified losses

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The difference is Russian losses can't be hidden because they lost a fuxkton of ground. Ukraine is losing armor in grinding defense which means they only get photographed when Russia gets close to it. In other words use some fucking common sense.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              https://i.imgur.com/7zQuKzG.jpg

              The difference is Russian losses can't be hidden because they lost a fuxkton of ground. Ukraine is losing armor in grinding defense which means they only get photographed when Russia gets close to it. In other words use some fucking common sense.

              if they are losing those to loitering munitions, then there should be footage, they like to spam any footage of their lancets hitting anything, specially western equipment, so it's safe to assume that they are releasing most, if not all footage from those kind of hits.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              How is he supposed to reach that pouch on his back?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Squadmate probably. Who knows what is in it

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >But this
            >>so I assume at least half are lost
            >tells me that you're brown and belong to /leftychug/.

            Half lost is a optimistic projection, the ukies started the war with an enormous amount of tube and rocket artillery. Not much is left of that.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      they need shells more than the artillery pieces right now

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous
        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >20k artillery shells 155mm
          Don't they go through those in less than a week?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            consumption is proportional to provision, aka "the more you have, the more you're willing to use"
            (which, coincidentally, is also why Russia hasn't tested or used a single nuke in ages)

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              It's a bit bizzarre that you're trying to pass the need to ration as having plenty of shells

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No, the exact opposite: the more shells you have the faster you burn through them.

                Point is: the answer to how many shells Ukraine needs is: "more"

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Its 115,000 artillery shells they have been sending them consistently every month, theyve sent well over 1 million shells and they arent the only ones.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yes.
            1)German, US and UK officers have been saying that Ukraine needs more but retarded politicians keep obstructing it because they have no concept of wartime procurement. Same reason why UK, France, Germany and many other countries have inadequate stockpiles - pennypinching retards, populists and outrgitht Kremlin agents in government.
            2)Ukraine receives a lot of ammunition that does not get announced - e.g. 152mm shells from Bulgaria, Czechia and some African and Asian countries, small arms ammo from the same sources, low-caliber shells and small arms from Serbia, etc.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >German intelegence officers
              No such thing
              >Germany has inadequate stockpiles
              True
              >UK
              Has big stockpiles
              >Ukraine receives lots of 152mm ammo
              Who do you think pays for all that, you realise there's an entire unit dedicated to sourcing equipment required for Ukraines soviet platforms right?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/4t3tWSF.jpg

        They are getting plenty of shells, this is just the most recently announced US shipment.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      not very, this is clearly a test to see what works and what doesnt. Then the real lend lease will start

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Pretty based to donate all of your stock.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Pretty based to donate all of your stock.

      Honestly respect to Denmark for this one, you can blame the Frogs for not giving more ; but Denmark just dosn't have any more to give.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      no but russia gets a lot of new reasons for massive expansion. leopards are needed for future attacks for stopping them for a few days before they reach paris.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Doubt they'll reach Paris, but might get to about 500km northeast of it

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      14 western tanks and 200 western IFVs is enough to break a Russian front
      not all of them at once obviously, but Ukraine now has the metal to pick a section of the Russian line and punch through it at will

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Probably not with the new Russian efforts. These will probably be for defense against the Russian spring offensive

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Only if there actually is one
          If the Russians move their new troops into defensive positions its game on for Ukraine

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Also there is obviously a lot of munitions and rockets I didn't include.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Last aid package had 100 more M113's, also like a month ago they announced 250 M1117's so they are probably there.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      True but I assume this war is eating equipment like M113s and M117s pretty quickly. Thats why I put upcoming aid

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >True but I assume this war is eating equipment like M113s and M117s pretty quickly
        A whopping 36 of 1100 confirmed lost.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          See

          https://i.imgur.com/LvwdByc.jpg

          Nope I'm very pro Ukraine (especially Azov) but Oryx numbers are going to be incorrect because Ukraine keeps opsec on losses and Russia doesn't take ground fast enough to photo losses. 155mm towed artillery is very vulnerable especially yo loitering munitions and the reaction of the US mil in this conflict about towed artillery makes me think they are taking heavy losses. Also when Milley estimated Ukraine had taken around 100k military casualties I knew materiel losses had to be similar to Russia's

          this war is a materiel grind.

          Everybody who is not a retard knows very well that Oryx only posts documented losses and that actual losses are (much) higher. But even documented losses are so abysmal that they send puccioid minds into overdrive.

          Agreed but when talking about Ukrainian stock its necessary to assume their materiel losses are abysmal.

          >Milley estimated Ukraine had taken around 100k military casualties
          Milley also estimated that Ukraine would fall in 72hrs.

          Which they would have if the Russian military wasn't so corrupt and incompetent. Also don't forget that if Ukraine didn't get starlink they would have collapsed. People forget how fucked their early war effort was wheb russia took down their comms.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Agreed but when talking about Ukrainian stock its necessary to assume their materiel losses are abysmal.
            why?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Agreed but when talking about Ukrainian stock its necessary to assume their materiel losses are abysmal.
            my god you people think ukraine is some god tier fighting force ?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I literally just said their losses were abysmal, are you retarded.

              >Agreed but when talking about Ukrainian stock its necessary to assume their materiel losses are abysmal.
              why?

              Because of context clues. They aren't losing >100k soldiers without losing a lot of material, this artillery/loitering munition/ATGM/arrmor war means a lot of equipment is going to be destroyed and they are begging the west for equipment.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Because of context clues
                How about proof?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >but when talking about Ukrainian stock its necessary to assume their materiel losses are abysmal

            According to... your bowel movements?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Go back

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                To where, tourist?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Learn the formatting of this website or leave moron

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >muh formatting

                LMAO. I was writing here in this formatting before your mom shat you out, tourist.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No you weren't September gay

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >15-20k troops will totally be enough to pacify a city of over a million guys with cold war vehicles totally
            Kek, there was never a plan or scenario that was going to work no matter how trained and professional they are.
            The plan was bogged from the start.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >confirmed
          Those are way lower than the actual numbers on both sides and with something as soft as the M113 I wouldn't be surprised if some that were photographed and uploaded were counted as "unknown" after meeting a 152mm HE shell.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          When a M113 burns down its just a pile of ash left. Its a bit hard to identify it. Its aluminium, not steel.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Say will that be enough for potato general to do the counterattack?

        A chance of fufilling it's purpose.
        A warrior's death.
        A worthy one.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Agreed. Its strange that it makes me happy to see them retire in war.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why does that look like an improved knock off of a BRDM or BTR. It has a distinctly Russian shape to it, does it not? I wonder if that's completely coincidental or if the designers actively took cues from those models

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        it's based on the Cadillac gage commando which was developed at the same time as the BDRM-2

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          What the fuck is that. Imagine fighting in that thing

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, Ivan is fucked and I cannot wait until those fucks balkanize.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >a dozen or so successor states witch nooks and axes to grind
      What could possibly go wrong.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        With Moscow? Far East and other regions aren't exactly chummy with how they lost significant political power over the decades with all their tax money going to Moscow.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yes, anon, that was my point.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's other way around, just like money is flowing from So-Cal to flyovers.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Only if you count Gazprom as Moscow company because its central office is in Moscow.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Didn't happen even in 1990s.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          What? Are you saying Soviet Union did not collapse into pieces? How drunk are you right now?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Those nukes would be bought up by the west very quickly

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >What could possibly go wrong.
        Hopefully everything.
        I want rumorons to suffer

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why exactly would they balkanize?
      They have no particular reason to.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Economic isolation, Belarus would absolutely lose its grip, Chechnya and Uzbekistan will revolt and putins grip would slip as NATO gobbles up more eastern nations.. Not to mention demographic collapse. Russia unironically needs this win otherwise they fall apart.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >T-72EA
    Excalibur Avenger?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >>T-72EA
      >Excalibur Avenger?

      I think these may be the morrocan(?) T-72s that were sent to czechia for refurbishment and then bought/wrangled by US state department.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So NATO is continuing to demilitarise itself? By the time Russia makes it to the Polish border they will have nothing left to oppose Russia. Warsaw when?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They are demilitarizing Russia by sending an ex soviet state their outdated junk. Its basically a miracle for NATO.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Nice numbers gay, were they revealed to you in a dream? Meanwhile hohols themselves have admitted to 100k KIA and that was before their disastrous performance at Bakhmut and Soledar

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          So you're saying the West should send MORE aid? I agree.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >hohols themselves have admitted

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Nice numbers gay, were they revealed to you in a dream? Meanwhile hohols themselves have admitted to 100k KIA and that was before their disastrous performance at Bakhmut and Soledar

            When Russia started sending migrant trains to poland and the US they lost all "based" credibility. Fuck those asiatic, mudslime loving gays

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Would you rather I go only based upon photographed proof?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >T-62 Obr. 1967

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              They sent a bunch of T-62’s to Kherson to try and hold it, they didn’t do too well. We also saw a prototype T-62 variant deployed too

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You think thats the bad part?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        like 90% of equipment in current use by the US military is either actual cold war era shit or "modernized" (packed full of expensive electronic shit) cold war era shit

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yes and its being sent to Ukraine but the reality is its still about a decade newer than soviet stuff. This war is a blessing because these militaries are all about to modernize and now they get money to retire their old shit (by sending it east) instead of having to use their mil budget.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          How much do you think you can revolutionize a metal tube and the slab of explosive/metal that flies through it? Shit man they basically had it figured out when they made it.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Fire control systems, optics, stabilisers etc etc so quite alot to be honest

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              yeah dude you just strap that shit onto a tank like you just fuckin said

              the tank itself is fine what more can you do to a metal brick and a metal tube that shoots metal besides strap fancy electronics to it

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Literally zero of the tanks in my Brigade were built before 2008.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Its basically a miracle for NATO.
        It's the miracle of subtraction instead of multiplication

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah the 13 aircraft carriers (ignoring other ''''''aircraft carriers'''''''), hundreds of jets and helicopters were donated to Ukraine and lost. It's over. Strudel and cream in Berlin by Monday, eclairs and coffee in Paris by Thursday, Bakewell Tart in London by Sunday.

      IT'S OVER.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Both Russia and China have missiles do deal with them, carriers are death traps

        So you're saying the West should send MORE aid? I agree.

        It makes no difference on the field and weakens the West. The globohomo hegemony will end this decade and I'm all for it

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >carriers are death traps
          You have no idea how wrong you are.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >The globohomo hegemony will end this decade and I'm all for it
          Who will end it? Also do you know what globohomo means?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            He obviously doesn't because he doesn't realize globohomo has been trying to make China the new host nation.(luckily China is already fucked so they cannot shift.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Did you know that the upper echelons of the CCP actually buy into the whole "garden gnomes secretly control the west" conspiracy?
              Apparently they've been trying to contact the secret gnomish cabal that runs the west for years now and are growing increasingly confused and frustrated at being unable to find it

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They just misunderstand the nature of garden gnomes

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >muh missiles
          >actual number of carriers ever hit by missiles: 0

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >carriers are death traps
          Someone tell Xi to stop their construction!

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >carriers are death traps
          has this ever been proven? Even when they were litterally boxes filled with avgas and bombs the japs had a really fucking hard time sinking them, even when they just started doing the wave attack suicide thing.

          How many missiles do you need to sink a carrier ready for the attack? How many missiles do you have? How many do you have that won't be instantly wiped out by SEAD/DEAD? You'll need to do it at least four times to meaningfully do anything, unlike the single attack on the Moskva that sank it almost immediately, which then scared the whole Russian fleet into port.

          I know its a foreign concept, suppression/destruction of enemy air defense (and offense), but its actually pretty effective.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >has this ever been proven?

            lol lmao. its based on on the hypothetical threat from CGI meme missiles and stuff like Zircon. complete cope and fantasy

            the reality is that in every war with carrier aviation in the jet age land based aircraft and anyone stupid enough to attack them with a surface group have got clapped hard

            >F4U and Sea Fury prop fighters shooting down Mig-15s in Korea,
            >US navy F-4 Phantoms and F-8 Crusaders having the best kill ratios
            >USN air wings obliterating anything that tried it over the Gulf of Sidra trilogy and Praying Mantis
            >FAA Sea Harriers becoming 23-0 largely against on paper better aircraft even shooting down enemy BARCAP

            Fly Navy always lad.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >No celebratory porridge

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You can get kebab

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I wonder if the CV90 being fielded will effect the OMFV decision

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Not a chance. CV-90 doesn’t have much future growth potential.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        pretty much. the chassi is old.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It mught make them consider new omfv requirements after all these IFVs get a baptism.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        My understanding is that the Mk. IV is pretty much a new vehicle and has a decent amount of room to give. Sure not as much as some of the competition in that regard but it's certainly there.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >testing
    But almost all of these are battle proven

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Not in a war like this. Also equipment like LTVs, ACMAT Bastions, cougars, and all the artillery, rocket and AA systems are all only there to test them.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >100 UK armored vehicles including bulldog
    Shouldve gotten retrievers instead

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Finland to give 400million with of equipment to Ukraine

    Classified what they are giving but the interesting part of it is an agreement with Sweden where they will give Finland equipment on a fat notice if need be. Possibly leopards and bmb-2's

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'm calling it now that NATO is putting fourth an armor package that Germany is going to send leopards alongside a bunch of other nations. Leopards are going to roll into Ukraine in glorious battle.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        germany is doubling down on blocking leos but poland doesnt seem to care and will send them anyway, once poland does the rest will follow suit

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Kek no they aren't, wait until the big meeting and then all of a sudden Germany will magically say they were pretending to be retarded. Leos will roll

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Two of the coalition parties and the main opposition party in Germany want to send them, it's just the SPD that's dragging her feet.
            At any point Friedrich Merz could become chancellor and the Leopards are go.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The new defense minister already has said they wouldn't require the US to send abrams. They literally just don't want to look like they didn't resist it first. I would be shocked if they didnt announce it immediately after the meeting.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What they don't want is their tanks looking like trash when they start being blown up in Ukraine. Germans just want for Abrams to get blown up too.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Leopards got blown by the the dozen in Syria when the Turks used them. The UK is sending Challenger 2's.

                I don't even understand why MBT would be seen as an escalation since we already sent modern SPH and MLRS.

                It isn't Germany has just been dickish for the entire thing
                >We won't send tanks, that is a red line escalation
                *Poland et al sends tanks*
                >Okay, well, those are Soviet tanks, we won't send Western tanks
                *France actually does something and sends their 'light tanks'*
                >Okay, well, those aren't Western MBT's so we don't have to send Leopards
                *UK sends Challenger 2 MBTs*
                >Okay, well, those aren't American, we won't send any unless USA sends Abrams haha....

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Leopards got blown by the the dozen
                And it was very bad PR which Germans don't want to happen again.
                It has absolutely nothing with actually support for Ukraine, it's business decision.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Why?
                >Well the A7's are much better so don't worry guys!
                The US didn't freak out when their Abrams got rekt either. It didn't screw their sales when Centurions rekt'd M48's at a 3:1 ratio during the Indian-Pakistan War. But most importantly? Germany is working on a replacement tank with France.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They also have the KF51 out now, not just EMBT

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                And Ukrainians fielding them would be a better look than the retarded roaches.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                i dont get why germs dont send all their shit
                its not like they fund their own military anyway also helps with CO2 and they can give more money to muzzies

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Exactly. Germany is retarded

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Sure but nothing would look better for them than their tanks rolling into Crimea in a Ukrainian victory. Lets be honest Ukraine will probably use their soviet armor for all riskier assualts.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I don't even understand why MBT would be seen as an escalation since we already sent modern SPH and MLRS.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ruskies said they'll recruit 500k more if tanks are sent.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >enemy is researching tank tech tree
                >Better pump out more basic bitch infantry
                Russians do love killing Russians

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              It would be absolutely retarded for Germany to not send leo 2s. They need to test it so they can incorporate lessons learned into the Panther.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Friedrich Merz could become chancellor
              Good Lord, no.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >germany is doubling down on blocking leos
          The new German minister of defence wants to send German leos and is also in favor of other nations sending theirs. Most recent pollings among all parties except the commies and nazis shows a majority in favor of leos going to Ukraine. The main issue right is that Scholz needs to make a convincing U-turn and make it seem like it was his idea all along.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Literally as soon as the Ramstien meeting is over Germany will announce leos are going to Ukraine. Its all political theater

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Its all political theater
              It's all so tiresome though.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              If that's the case, Germany are shitty actors or why do they continously play the heel? Wouldn't act as a united front against Russia be better? There aren't many staunchly pro-Russians left in the general German public.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's funny because the Leopard 2 Poland wants to send need an overhaul in Germany and would only be ready at the end of the year.

          There is literally no nation that actually wants to send Leopard 2 to Ukraine - hence all the demands of Germany doing the heavy (all) lifting.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            If thats true then Ukraine is fucked.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I heard the same but only with regard to Rheinmetal's own Leopards. This is the first time I've heard it applied to the Germany or Polish army's own Leopards.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              aces high ie it's the same

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I doubt Poland needs help in refurbishing considering that Bumar-Labedy already does it in the process of upgrading 2A4s to 2A4PL.
              Unless they contractually can't do work on extra vehicles past the ones agreed to, which does sound likely, but in that case it's Germany blocking them again.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That means Finland gets a backfill of Strv 122 or there's a mix of Strv122 (2A5) and 2A4 going to Ukraine.
      Either way...

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >there's a mix of Strv122 (2A5) and 2A4 going to Ukraine.
        Dude please don't play with my emotions this way.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I don’t know and I wouldn’t tell if I knew, but if I had to guess as a finnfag, I’d bet my money on it being mainly BMP-2’s. They’re getting old and would be nearing a replacement soon either way, so it’s not a big defese capability loss to give them away (rather, at this point you could say that it gives them one ”last chance” to kill vatmorons instead of just getting scrapped), and the 400 million would translate pretty directly to getting new IFVs to replace them.

      Probably don’t have to keep guessing for long, as we will see the results either way on the battlefield sooner or later.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Makes sense. Especially since we make tracked IFVs/APCs that you guys like and you guys make wheeled IFVs/APCs that our guys really like, so mutually favorable deals can easily be made.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Most likely BMP-2MDs, which are imo easily the best variants out of the bunch. With some sort of deal to get more CV90s from Sweden to replace them for Finland.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >garbage from cold war era
    Why would you want to test it?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >platforms that never experienced a real conventional war with a near peer opponent finally gets to test themselves learning all the lessons from the last generation of tech
      >perfectly before a bunch of brand new platforms are aquired by NATO militaries
      Hmm let me see...

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >L70 anti-aircraft guns
      This isn't even from the cold war, it's leftovers from WW2.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Doesn't matter AAguns are making a comeback because shooting Orlans down with BUKs is retarded

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I think it's mainly about Shaheeds.
          They need as many AAA tubes as possible to produce a curtain of shells around the cities.
          Similar to the buzz bomb countermeasures of WW2.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Nah lancets and recon drones like orlans are more numerous. Shaheeds are just to pad the stock and eat up Ukrainian AA

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              But those are shorter range and need a more mobile response like SPAAGs.
              You can't place a AAA next to every howitzer.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You also dont place limited SPAAGs on the frontline.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's why they need more.
                Can they get the Gepard from Qatar now that the world cup is over?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Gepard
                The issue is ammo. Germany has refused to supply the ammo required for it.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                This time it actually isn't the Germans, it's the Swiss as the Gepard uses Oerlikon guns with Oerlikon ammo. IIRC Nammo(?) is also making Gepard-compatible rounds nowadays, but the mountain garden gnomes are the primary manufacturers and they're getting suHispaniciously antsy about giving them away to ventilate some lawnmowers.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Okay but we are talking about why they are being sent 1950s AA guns.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >it's leftovers from WW2
        1950's isn't WW2, sadly.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's more or less the 40mm Bofors of WW2 fame.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        L60 was WW2, L70 is the replacement. L70 has double the fire rate and bigger shells. Still, it's an obsolete weapon against most aircraft, but it should be great against drones and missiles.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >>L70 anti-aircraft guns
        >This isn't even from the cold war, it's leftovers from WW2.

        Its ex swedish 40L70 guns on 4 wheel trailers gifted to some baltic state. They are from the 60s iirc. The L70 is post world war 2.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          They are for shooting down shaed drones and some cruse missiles since they are slow and we see gepards have little difficulty shooting down them but other then that they do be junk we want to replace with a patriot battery

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The UK sending 600 of these will be pretty crazy

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They already sent BRIMSTONES but we've only seen a few kill videos.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's hard to get videos of something that kills stuff autonomously 12-20km away from a ground launch.
        Were lucky we got the Russian attempt footage at counter battery on one after firing (failed) and the drone footage of the two tanks being simultaneously hit.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >AMX-10
    Nitpicking, but it is the AMX-10 RC that is being sent. >Pic related, the non RC is a tracked vehicle.
    RC stands for "Roues et Canon" = Wheels and gun.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ah my bad fren

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/JyP8y1E.jpg

        >AMX-10
        Nitpicking, but it is the AMX-10 RC that is being sent. >Pic related, the non RC is a tracked vehicle.
        RC stands for "Roues et Canon" = Wheels and gun.

        it is used for armored recon
        and the french do combined arms at the company and platoon level
        so a platoon of AMX are accompanied by three VBL which might be armed with M2 or ATGM

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    and yet, despite all this, holhols will STILL lose lol. how are those offenses coming? routing Russians on twitter still?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I dunno, you tell me.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >how are those offenses coming?
      Kherson is Russia Forever.

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    its a shame we got rid of all roland systems they would be perfect for ukraine

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >"testing" retired hardware that has been used in real wars before

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >used in real wars before
      Like what? Don't you dare say Iraq

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Anyone saying this isn't a big testing ground is an idiot.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      True, every proxy war is, and will always be, a test ground to weapons and tactics

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Most of that stuff is from the 80s. They're not "testing" them.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What a brilliant mind you must be. I'm sure there is nothing to learn from a modern large scale near peer war with tech we have only used against 3rd world arabs. We especially have nothing to learn from capturing pic related... no this war is useless to our R&D for sure.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >near peer
        lol
        >arabs
        Hey. Where did Saddam get his tanks from? Did he make them in Iraq?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >lol
          Ukraine and Russia are near peer.
          >Where did Saddam get his tanks from? Did he make them in Iraq?
          Not modernized soviet equipment used by an army implementing ancient doctrine with way less resources and zero contested airspace. Russia is implementing modern tech, this war is unique and you are either a teenager or a sub 80 iq drooler.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          it is not comparable to gulf war conflict because there was only a limited amount of armoured warfare, absolute air dominance of US airpower made sure of that.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >A limited amount of armoured warfare
            >Largest tank battle since WW2

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So, tanks after today meeting or not?

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    As long as they create plenty of videos I'm happy.

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    IMO the reality is it wont matter unless its in very significant numbers. This war is going to eat up so muchcold war equipment

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This. It's just staving off the total collapse of Ukraine.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Doubt

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Where is the progress of Ukraine towards '''liberating''' Crimea then? LOL.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Kherson, Kiev and Kharkiv. This war will be a slog and i bet both sides will not achieve their goals.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              If Ukraine doesn't achieve their 'goals' then Russia achieves theirs.

              The US has states with larger economies than Russia. Ukraine won't be falling anytime soon.

              Money surely stops them being killed on the frontlines. It has nothing to do with ammo or vehicles or anything haha.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Not really, Russia wouldn't exactly be happy with just Crimea

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It getting recognised as Russian properly is a major win, so yes. Ignoring all the other territory of the Ukraine they control. Ukraine's goal is to push Russia out of all of the territory they think is theirs.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Why is Ukraine so imperialistic?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It won't get recognized it'll just be a stalemate where Russia doesn't get its republics or the coast or anything else.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If that’s the best they get out of the war, it has to be the most Pyrrhic of all Pyrrhic victories ever.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Equipment, training and logistics keep them going

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Germany
                loool
                >we sent 10 really expensive things, see, we're helping!

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Get ready to see those german munitions in the nest mobilization. Leopard 2s get announced tomorrow.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Sources: German Federal Government
                Fucking KEK. Remember when last year some guy worked out how much of what German had promised had ACTUALLY arrived and found it was 35%?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Does it matter? They aren't the only ones sending stuff

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The US has states with larger economies than Russia. Ukraine won't be falling anytime soon.

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ukrainian numbers allegedly m

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Russian numbers allegedly

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >200 helicopters
      they didn't have this amount before the war started and I believe only a few got donated.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They probably bombed some ukrainian helicopter boneyards and just counted all the hulls

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Or civilian helicopters because thise would be targets too.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >200 helicopters
          they didn't have this amount before the war started and I believe only a few got donated.

          Russia isn't fighting Ukraine they're at war with Nato. Those are American helicopters.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Russia isn't fighting Ukraine they're at war with Nato.

            >NATO losses: 0
            doesn't look like they're at war with NATO to me.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Only about 40 were given

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Special military motor vehicles

      Technicals?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >985 MLRS units
      Hmmm

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >985 mlrs
      And stupid westoids just keep sending them :*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ukrainian numbers allegedly

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/4a9YbFh.jpg

      Russian numbers allegedly

      Look, i know the number of casualties that given by opposing side is generally inflated but,
      Ukraine is lossing 300 plane according to russia and russia is losing 17 warship and 287 plane according to ukraine is a bit too unrealistic.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Nothing besides Oryx is going to have anything based in reality. The problem with Oryx however is he doesn't have the same level of access to Ukrainian losses.

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Thank you mr monkey for supplying free vatniks for testing.

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Pretty sure we already tested the shit out of Bradleys and Strykers.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      For IEDs, insurgencies and a poorly equipped conventional adversary. Not for a large scale near peer hot war.

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    NATO

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Poland should grow some balls, send Leopards, then never buy German arms ever again. Burger and Korean frens are enough. Germans are traitor scum clearly.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Poland still hasn't send their Soviet shit to Ukraine. What do you think, why are they doing this?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Poland still hasn't send their Soviet shit to Ukraine
        [citation needed]

  29. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >14 Challenger 2s
    oh wow such generocity let me guess they ask for artifacts to fill the british museum?
    >90 T-72EAs
    wait t72s havent being tested on ukraine?lol
    >AMX-10
    why?
    >strykers
    that will be nice to see how it handles
    >bradleys
    already getting pounded
    >CV9040s
    not eve sweden wanted them
    >marders
    wasnt those suppose to go to greece in exchange for the bmps? they fooled greece?
    > ACMAT Bastions
    they are nice their suspension is hell tho
    >vbl
    they are super fast for a military vehicle and super nice
    >25 155mm Caesar 8x8s
    those are danish ones which were built locally and have tons of problems even with the chassis
    >NASAMS Battery
    i fail to see why they give them AA given that their numbers that they claim do not make any sense
    >patriot Batteries
    lol watch as ukraine continue to lie about its capability even tho we know how shit they are thanks to iran

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      BLOODY BENCHOD FUCKING BASTARD

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        she is in her mid 40s with no kids should i try to fuck her?i mean she wont say no considering she turns into a fucking degenarate succubus when she drinks

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Much obliged

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >4 HIMARS
      Instantly calibrated, stolen, and delivered to a research center in Siberia.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        they have their own gmlrs but obviously its shit with the current glonass system
        when they launch the remaining 5 new glonass sats it might improve

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          But /chug/ told me it has more wheels and payload...

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Russia needs to steal 90s western tech to progress.
        Sounds about right.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Eh, not really. Soviet Union didn't have tech parity with the first world when it collapsed. And Russia never progressed from that.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That guy is dead

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They are building mechanized battalions with nato weapons. They've already been testing their loitering munitions, drones of various kinds, precision munitions and AA.
      > let me guess they ask for artifacts to fill the british museum?
      Challengers are to make an open door for leo 2s which will be announced tomorrow. Leo 2s are neccesary for panthers development
      >why
      Light tanks are supposed to be the new hotness
      >already getting pounded
      No they aren't but getting pounded is a good thing for OMFV development.
      >not eve sweden wanted them
      CV90s are part of the OMFV program.
      >wasnt those suppose to go to greece in exchange for the bmps? they fooled greece?
      Its been handled.
      >suspension is hell tho
      Perfect opportunity to test its handling in Ukrainian mud
      >those are danish ones
      The french sent 6 as well. Also you didn't talk about the archer
      >fail to see why they give them AA given that their numbers that they claim do not make any sense
      Its canada virtue signaling but it'll be good to test its effectiveness against Kalibr and Iskandr
      >watch as ukraine continue to lie about its capability even tho we know how shit they are thanks to iran
      Better than any of the soviet junk.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I have never seen such a misinformed opinion. Does brown skin cause brain rot?

  30. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Sexo

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ukraine seems to love these, they remind me of those one eyed enemy gundams

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Zaku are pure SOVL

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The whole Dana family is the one of the best things to come out of Czechoslovakia ever. Everyone who uses them seems to love them.

  31. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Can't wait for the first Challenger footage. This will be the first REAL tank in action in Ukraine - not a soviet turret-tossing sardine can. But I guess this will be around May, if we're lucky?

  32. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    AMX-10 is at the end of his life. it's king replace by the Jaguar EBRC. they're not testing anything.

  33. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >L70 anti-aircraft guns(unspecified number)
    Who sent these?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Maybe Britain

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Maybe Britain

      Lithuania

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeh your right, I wonder what the 125 aaa guns UK sent were.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Britain doesn't have AA guns, only AA systems. It's just clueless journalists being clueless.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >That package included 125 anti-aircraft guns
            https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-to-give-artillery-rounds-and-helicopters-to-help-defend-ukraine
            UK doesn't have M109s but they still gave 40 of them to Ukraine. Just because they don't have them in service doesn't mean they won't source and but them.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Yet we've still not heard anything of these guns which were supposedly promised back in November.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I haven't heard about them so they must not exist
                Are you retarded
                >BTW that link says thing about them
                4th paragraph down contains the green text I copied from there

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-to-give-artillery-rounds-and-helicopters-to-help-defend-ukraine

              btw that link says nothing about them either.

  34. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Testing
    Marketing you mean, gotta let other countries see Western equipment make short work of Russians as a demonstration and then rake in the money with all the buy orders coming

  35. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    guis they wont send MBT because NATO prepares for defence. spain said suddendly no because they fear new front from north africa.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Wtf?

  36. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    im reminded of how 1 year ago perun said the Ukrainian army would look more and mroe like a NATO army as more equipment was shipped in

  37. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Well now that Germany cucked out i guess we need to send abrams

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The US already said they aren't planning on it because of logistics and difficulty of maintaining them. Maybe try convincing the US DoD to send over M60A3 instead.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >M60A3
        Imagine that scenario.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Urban warfare with M113s and M60A3 going against whatever the Russians are currenlty deploying?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yes

  38. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    shhhh Natalya... look these gays still discuss leopard

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Its too bad Germany cucked, maybe its a french/british world forever. Leclerc and challengers when?

  39. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    GERMANY KEKED OUT

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Absolutely shameful

  40. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >18 155mm RCH-155s
    In twenty fucking five. Two and a half years from now.

  41. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Don't forget Poland is donating 54 155mm AHS Krabs soon.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      fuck your krabs
      estonia is sending the real artillery, the humble carl gustavs

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Which are great

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          i know

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Literally a sof favorite

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              not the M2, that bitch weighs 15kg
              we just got M4 so im sure ukies get the M2 gustavs, if any ukie gets the #1278 take care of her

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah I'm sure its a bitch but still lighter than the shit they normally have, imagine lugging around a stugna or a maxim

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                rpg7 should be lighter, the paratroop rpg7 is one thing i would be jelly about.
                imagine a launcher that folds

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah except you can't hit shit with them

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                the effective range for CG with irons is 150m, with the scope 300m on a target that is not moving

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes and the RPG-7 is inaccurate as shit.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                i should have mentioned its a bitch to lug around, foldable rpg7 sounds really nice when you are light infantry

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I would rather have a heavy piece of equipment instead of something that I cannot rely on hitting the target.

  42. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    AMX and Marder are both being retired that is why they can be retired

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