NASAMS is Ukraine

>The U.S. government will transfer eight NASAMS air defense systems to Ukraine, and two of them will arrive in Ukraine in the near future
How are they going to stack up?

  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >giving defensive weapons to Ukraine when they need offensive weapons to push the russians out of Ukraine
    Why?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Presumably to shoot down Russian missile drones and/or to continue to deny Russians air support in their operational areas.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Well to test our weapons systems. But also AA is the weak point in the Ukrainian military, their stockpile isn't that deep and its harder for the west to supply them. Thats why Russia is using the suicide drones and missile attacking cities. They are trying to attrit the lesser stokpile of Aa because once AA is gone so is Ukrainian abilities.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The NASAMS is an especially important system because there is very little chance of them running out of ammunition. You can load them with unmodified AMRAAMS and Sidewinders which NATO has absolutely massive stockpiles of. If they can get these into Ukraine in any kind of numbers than there won't be much talk about Ukraine running out of missiles.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yep its an obviously calculated choice but it has to really piss off Russia. Basically nullifies the strategy Russia has been using for months.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Brilliant move

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Wait, you can just toss random Aim9Ls into these things? So it’s like a mega chaparral?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Only the most modern variant NASAMS 3 can take the sidewinder, but yeah. It can take any standard AMRAAM variant. The internal launch rails are the same as an aircraft. Really genius system.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Sure about that? Last I read NATO stocks average 4 aim120 per aircraft capable of carrying, or less.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Sure about that? Last I read NATO stocks average 4 aim120 per aircraft capable of carrying, or less.

            Thats a lot, sweden has 200 amraams for 70 jets.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Last I read NATO stocks average 4 aim120 per aircraft capable of carrying
            Do you have any idea how many aircraft NATO operate?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >You can load them with unmodified AMRAAMS and Sidewinders

          The range is absolutely going to suck if you do because they launch from ground level from a carrier with zero speed towards target.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >But also AA is the weak point in the Ukrainian military,
        Oh, so THAT'S why the vatnik airforce has complete and utter Air Supremacy over the skies of Kyiv.
        (as modest as Ukie AA is, it apparently is more than the timid vatnik is willing to gamble on, apparently. But if they want to send another wave of VDV paratroopers, I have "have at it, hoss!")

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Okay reddit cheerleader. If it wasn't the weak point then the west wouldn't be putting so much effort in finding ways to supply it. Ukraine has a small stock of BUK and S-300 it is absolutely the weak point of their military and that is why Russia has been doing what they have been doing. If you can't have a conversation about military topics without cheerleading then you need to go back to your chud website.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          There is not an infinite supply of S-300s and BUKs laying around outside of Russia. Ukraine's stock is limited, in both time and volume.
          Yes, it is a horrible weak point for that reason and that reason alone. Ukraine needs to be moved off of soviet surplus and onto either western surplus or otherwise new western production systems. This is true of everything, but AA is more time critical specifically because it is so limited.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Ukraine's stock is limited
            Diddn't they used to manufacture missiles for their Buk/Kub systems?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              No

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            what the fuck is that thing

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              An opossum?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              It’s a weasel being pleaseled

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Russia is ANTIFA

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            And North Korea is democratic.
            "Democratic People's Republic of Korea"
            Right there in plain letters.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Unironically

            And North Korea is democratic.
            "Democratic People's Republic of Korea"
            Right there in plain letters.

            Fuck off umbrellaman

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              good morning sir

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Not russian

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Russia is Antifa and about as well run as CHAZ

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              kek chaz was comedy gold, I was almost sad when they gave up

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Chaz

                What's the story?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Leftists made a uptopian zone in Seattle. Immediately people got murdered, the place was taken over by warlords and drug addicts and they couldn't even plant a garden.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Bunch of lefties tries to make an utopia by muscling out the local pd from their area HQ, prevent police responses, get flooded by gangs, drugs be rampant, put up walls, homeless encampments, armed checkpoints looking for undesirables, armed by a warlord just giving people guns from the trunk of his sedan, gun down two black kids joy riding in a SUV, planted a stupid garden, got protection from their mayor and DA, got really bitchy when paramedics wouldn’t go into the area because of them and went home when it started to get cold.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It was absolutely hilarious

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Is that why they just banned "gay propaganda"

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This is becoming the V-Rocket war Hitler always thought would be winnable by the side with technological superiority

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >tfw you will never have a prehensile tail
          apebros, I don't feel so good...

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            imagine how easily you could decompress your spine

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          If only

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I don't need to shoot down these budget drones that's taking out my energy and water

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it's just advertisement for western systems

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Thank god this is PrepHole and not a real life conversation so you can get the words out without choking on your tongue.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Obviously to test these systems in a real war.
      Usually we don't need them and dont get to test those in real conditions.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The idea is to prolong the war.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        are you a retard?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          are you? best possible scenario is to bleed russia dry in a decade long quagmire. nobody gives a fuck about the hohols

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      We know the US is training Ukie pilots on the F16 & F15. Ukrainian tank crews are probably being trained on the Abrams, they just haven't announced it yet

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Read up on literally anything about combined arms warfare.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Why bother defending your infrastructure from Russian cruise missiles and drones when you can just spend a few trillion rebuilding it all after the war is over.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Both, maybe?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      why does it have to be either or?

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the most important question is how long will it take ukrainians to figure out how to launch AMRAAMs from MiGs and Sukhois?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      How many do they even have left?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >U.S sends NASAMS Air defense systems to Ukraine
      >First thing Ukrainians do is gut them of all their Missiles and bolting them onto their MiGs and Sukhois
      would be incredibly based if they did

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Based

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This is literal African-militia tier, and the type of behaviour that you would expect to see from undisciplined, superstitious fighters who lack a clear chain of command. The fact that Ukrainian superiors cannot see how poorly their frontline troops are behaving might be indicative of larger problems in the Ukrainian military, like a breakdown of communications, or insubordination.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Retard. Call HIMARS African all you want, just makes it more embarrassing that you morons are dying to it in droves

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >not recognizing this copypasta
          anon...

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Implying true oldfags don't predate the entire term 'copypasta'.
            Get the fuck off my lawn.

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The US has been trying to send these shits since August, Ukraine will be pushing into Crimea when we finally get around to actually shipping like holy fuck just send the shit instead of talking about it.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >implying they haven't been operating in Ukraine for months

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    its literally patriot but with synchronous link 16 instead of asynchronous link 16 like in pac 3

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Speaking of Patriot, it's clear that Russia is not going to make a lightning run and capture half of Ukraine so they are not really at risk of capture. So why can't the US turn over a dozen Patriot missile batteries for the defense of Ukrainian cities behind the frontlines, there are hundreds of them.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Its still a risk that they would rather not take

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        because they are shit they absolutely cannot deal with drones or loitering munitions in saudi arabia
        its not even its job anyways nor does ukraine has link 16 radars to slap on it

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The Patriots were never supposed to intercept the drones in Saudi Arabia, you dumb retard. Never fucking were. They had a SHORAD system on site for that and it failed to do its job.
          I know the US makes people like you salty, but what you are doing is just retarded.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah, not like Ukraine is under constant cruise and ballistic missile barrage or anything...

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >tfw Ukraine becomes the 51st state instead of Puerto Rico

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >tfw Ukraine becomes the 51st state instead of Puerto Rico

      Too late gay, Ukraine belongs to Poland now. Go find your minimum wage labourers in Mexico and Guatemala Muttniks.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Is it safe to say we'll soon see a point where western AA missiles will be revealed to be as capable or more than the stated abilities of Russian systems like S-400?

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    As a Norwegian this better fucking become the NATO standard so we can spam these fuckers out and I can get a comfy cyber security job at Kongsberg.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Same here, done at NTNU this summer and they are recruiting a lot here, I wonder what they pay civil engineers

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It probably won't happen, but you should expect to see a much wider adoption. It's criminal that it isn't as widespread as a should be, but that's probably just due to the range which NASAMS 3 fixed with AMRAAM-ER

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    With what missiles? Aim 9X, AMRAAM or AMRAAM-ER?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      there was a clerical error and all the NASAMS systems being sent to Ukraine are actually the related NASUBS system that exclusively launch ASROC

      the good news is there won't be any Kilos up the Dniper

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >HEARD? Link or fuck off.
    He's got nothing. Last info I could from 2008 was that US had something like 14000 AIM-120s alone. If these are the latest NASAMS 3 units that can use the sidewinder too then ammo is definitely not a problem, because we've produced just lol numbers of those, like 120 thousand or something like that.

    With what missiles? Aim 9X, AMRAAM or AMRAAM-ER?

    NASAMS 3 can use all of those and IRIS as well IIRC. I can't imagine we'd send them old units, because the units are nothing vs the missiles and being able to use AIM-9s makes lot of sense for Ukraine. Those are like 40% of the cost of an AIM-120 and a lot of the point of NASAMS will be defending key areas from drones etc, doesn't need the much longer range necessarily vs just being able to shoot more.

    Depends on how exactly they plan to mix up the deployment of course. Maybe a few will be on actual anti-aircraft duty and have AIM-120s. But it's valuable they can switch to 10x as abundant cheaper ammo as well.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Can NASAMS 3 just use ANY rail launched munitions that fit in the box? What about HARM?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I thought it was NASAMs 2, not 3 that could fire all three.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >I thought it was NASAMs 2, not 3 that could fire all three.
        Nope, original NASAMS was AIM-120 only. NASAMS 2 added the ability to use the Link 16 tactical networking standard. NASAMS 3 (which only came out a few years back, like 2018 or 2019 IIRC) added 3x missile support: AIM-9, IRIS-T SLS, and the ER variant of the AIM-120.

        They have planned an upgrade to the radar to use that advanced S-band thing from the Patriot missile system, and they demoed it paired up with that HELWS laser thing for dealing with drone swarms, but that's only from literally last spring or something. No way do the Ukrainian bound ones have any of that. I'd be very surprised if they didn't have AIM-9 support though. In principle IRIS support is good too, in practice AIM-9 is by far the most useful just because of the sheer raw amount of ammo.

        Can NASAMS 3 just use ANY rail launched munitions that fit in the box? What about HARM?

        >Can NASAMS 3 just use ANY rail launched munitions that fit in the box? What about HARM?
        Not that I've seen, I guess there are interfacing requirements in feeding the missiles what they need or launch. If it was completely generic and just using a recycled fighter fire control or something then it should have been able to use everything from v1 and that doesn't seem to be the case. Must be some extra tweaks needed, or maybe some missiles just don't work reliably out of a stationary box, depending on their own sensor packages. Not an expert though.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I wish my country, Australia, would stop fucking around with hugely long and exhaustive procurement timeliness and just get the fucking NASAMs in service.

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm more interested to see which is the radar unit associated with the launcher.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      see

      there was a clerical error and all the NASAMS systems being sent to Ukraine are actually the related NASUBS system that exclusively launch ASROC

      the good news is there won't be any Kilos up the Dniper

      because a clerical error they're receiving hydrophone arrays instead

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Pretty pointless when Ukraine already has Starstreak

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I just want to see a patriot battery please

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >How are they going to stack up?

    They are going to get rekt by an Iskander dropping straight down on them.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      lol. lmao.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        1m cep is hato chud warcrime!

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Well lets see.
    This is ukrainian Buk M1.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The BUK is a more capable system, unironically.

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This is ukrainian Osa.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Well lets see.
      This is ukrainian Buk M1.

      Its a wonder they hit anything

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    why?

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