Absolutely based.
So, after Rheinmetall's 130mm, Nexter and Kraus-Maffei have unveiled a vid of their new cased-telescoped 140mm gun. Looks pretty dope.
Also Eurosatory general, I guess. Any particular piece of gear that struck your fancy? YT channels that offer good coverage of the show?
I can hear the papist seething from Ascalon
>140mm
I just can't take French people seriously anymore.
What a ridiculous nation.
Looks based AF
That video is awesome, albeit the cringe corporate music
Rheinmetall crybaby detected
You should have had bigger balls and proposed it earlier. Before 2030, EVERY NATO nation will have a program for a new MBT, all of them will have a 140mm gun.
That's just the natural way of things
>Rheinmetall crybaby detected
>You should have had bigger balls and proposed it earlier. Before 2030, EVERY NATO nation will have a program for a new MBT, all of them will have a 140mm gun.
>That's just the natural way of things
Alright, can you tell the thread why?
130 is already overkill for all known systems and there's no big armor revolution coming. So why try to overdo it even more? Is there anything 120mm isn't good enough for or anything on the horizon which it wouldn't be good enough for?
Frickibg moronic frogs always doing dumb shit and making third rate garbage because of their eternal napoleon complex.
Longer range
More energy on target
Bigger roungs
Guided rounds
Faster rounds
If you can't understand by yourself how a 140 is better than a 130, you're moronic
Stop posting
why not go all the way to 155mm or 210mm then?
Anything less than an 8" gun is unacceptable tbh, it should also be capable of autoloading at all angles, elevating to 90°, and engaging aircraft
>sir, this thing is going to require a nuclear reactor to be feasible
>stfu nerd you don't know how many dicks I sucked to get this funding
>it will be the magnum opus of my moronic desk job daddy got me out of the academy
>people will know who I am
>slav children with their dying breath will say "Look, that's a soandso's tank"
>make it so
>Make tanks fire 155mm
Well at least we can jerry rig tanks to serve as howitzers or toss a tank canister round into a howitzer now.
Based, the 155HE would just knock out everything
yeah, even if APS successfully engages the shell the target is still likely to be disabled
Yeah, that’s why I love the Boxer 155. It’s fast, can also do direct fire and the usual arty stuff and due to the large projectile and pressure tolerance, there is always a huge headroom for upgrades. good luck when you get hit tho.
I'd argue that the most pertinent problem with a 140mm is the amount of ammo the tank can safely store. At calibers of that size, it seems the vehicle is running into the same problems that the MBT-70 project with its 152mm gun ran into, where there was barely any space in the vehicle to store ammo without having the gunner literally sit on it. The 130mm probably has similar problems, but less so due to being a bit smaller at least.
Probably around 20 rounds.
>Longer range
For what? Indirect fire? Unless you fight gonna saltplane more range is a joke at this point.
>More energy on target
Dead is dead and penetrated is penetrated.
>Bigger roungs
For what?
>Guided rounds
And why do you need 140mm for that?
>Faster rounds
Once again, the point of diminishing returns has king been passed. Faster rounds to do what, anon?
>If you can't understand by yourself how a 140 is better than a 130, you're moronic
You know what's nice? More ammo, cheaper ammo, less weight, less maintenance.
You haven't given a single good reason for why 140mm is reasonable compared to 130 or even just 120. I'm fricking waiting.
> Indirect fire
Yes, Nexter's 140mm includes a NLOS GLATGM.
>Bigger rounds
For more HE and frag for counter-infantry, especially in urban combat.
Plus it has a better capacity than 130mm because Rheinmetall are using a dual-drum autoloader which cripples capacity by 30-50% compared to a conveyor.
>Yes, Nexter's 140mm includes a NLOS GLATGM.
Anon, that was sarcasm, you fricking moron. Kinda sad you didn't realized it and latched onto it out of desperation though.
>For more HE and frag for counter-infantry, especially in urban combat.
120mm and 130mm do just fine there.
Even if we accept the 2 things you could answer blindly that's still just really not worth the 140mm.
>Plus it has a better capacity than 130mm because Rheinmetall are using a dual-drum autoloader which cripples capacity by 30-50% compared to a conveyor.
At this point I'm willing to believe nothing you write but consider this:
120mm has even more capacity. Face it homosexual, as with basically everything French it will be used by the French and the French alone because you're too fricking moronic to design practical systems.
>hurr everyone but me moronic -t. basedsnark
America designed the Thumper to use 140mm too. What's your response?
You forgot
>less rounds carried because they 140mm are fricking huge and heavy
>Longer range
Are engagements really hindered by the range limit on 120mm guns even?
I wonder where are the situations, and how often they occur, when one actually says "we can't hit that target because it is too far away".
Considering the size of the things, why aren't they using 140mm missiles honestly. It's absurd.
Someone posted that it will be capable of firing barrel-launched ATGMs
>Is there anything 120mm isn't good enough for or anything on the horizon which it wouldn't be good enough for?
DM53 is about 630mm RHA at muzzle.
140mm is unironically excessive. 130mm is where it should be, as even 130mm makes for substantially decreased ammo capacity.
Apparently it's one of the main reasons they went with cased telescoped ammo.
The case's diameter is similar to a 120mm, but it's not necked down.
Compared to regular 140mm which is twice as long.
There were a couple pics of the rounds, so far we've got APFSDS and NLOS ammo.
Apparently the NLOS round is more akin to guided artillery like Excalibur or Copperhead than ATGM, as it has no rocket booster.
15km range, tandem warhead, 25kg.
Normally I'd be suspicious of wonder ammo like that, but the french already have similar rounds in 120mm and 155mm (Polygene and Katana).
This, the overall volume taken up by 130mm or 140mm CTA is essentially the same.
22 rounds in the autoloader.
>rhinemetal has corporation with BEA.
>Both chally 2 and the leo are old
>chance that UK and germany will adopt the tank together
Its german...
French bros
I think it's time we're finally back
Le 21ième siècle sera Français ou ne sera pas
Still waiting on SAAB's drone plane (cooperation with Baykar) called Hugin/Munin
marking system on gun scopes that marks places in the world like in battlefieldsquadarma, vidya is becoming reality
also yea is there like a channel or social media account that covers shit shown in these military export shows? every channel ive seen only covers a handful of things from each
We now have:
Contouring algorithms that work despite darkness and smoke.
Geopositionning that doesn't rely on GPS.
IFF for infantry.
Guns that won't shoot unless you're on target (with wind and bullet drop taken into account).
Augmented reality that's basically identical to a vidya HUD.
Plus C4 links to drones and support like company mortars.
At this point the soldier is just the bio-carrier of an armed robot.
I suspect that in a few decades nobody will understand how the system works anymore, and blindly follow the instructions. Much like the current stock market.
Nonetheless, as long as it works, it's amazing.
Looks sick, too.
>CT ammo
>shit sticking out of the end of the case
why do all these videos have some gay soundtrack
Bigger caliber is better, it no contest.
Anyone against giant calibers is probably also for gun control, simple as.
ITT
>Krauts and pussy nogunz
NOOO! You can't have 140 mm. 130 is more than enough for future proof
>Frogs and other gentlemen
Big gun go boooooom ahaha
Based Frogs. Glad that they are going full Daka when it comes to future tanks. I want to see a future where France uses baneblades in Africa. Just going around killing every African they see.
>I want to see a future where France uses baneblades in Africa.
Lascannons soon.
The frogs are deploying the HELMA-P against drones, the limeys are putting lasers on T-23 frigates, and the amerifats have the DE-SHORAD that doubles as a BBQ. The future will look bright.
I almost wish the russkies would dust off their Szhatie and Sangvin laser tanks for Ukraine, so that we'd see the first laser duels.
Number of blind folks after ww3 will be wild, too.
Yikes where is the diversity? Our liberal democracies can't work with such ignorant companies.
140mm is scary and great name for it.
The carnage of WWI was mostly 70mm pieces, to give perspective.
>Any particular piece of gear that struck your fancy?
The Type-X is really cool and had its first live fire show.