>I don't have an even high school level understanding of what dumping is or how it works, or of the role of government in protecting strategically significant domestic markets.
Stay in school kids
If the rifles are really so shitty then domestic manufacturers have nothing to worry about and don’t need protection via daddy government. Why do you hate consumer choice and the free market anon?
China might have had a chance of getting the 1993 import restrictions repealed if Norinco hadn't made a completely unsolicited offer to sell MANPADS to undercover ATF agents.
>I like to think some company men were found face down in a ditch with bullets in the backs of their heads for that cockup
rubber bullets actually, those guys lived
This rifle is like someone who just looked at different rifles, threw them together without knowing how any or why they worked and then claim how good they must be. In essence the prefect metaphor for Chinese arms development.
I watched the state sponsored interview with norinco on this shitheap and they have like thousands of employees and hundreds of engineers and this is still the best they could come up with with ten year old CAD, which they're just now using for the first time. Goofy caliber nobody else uses because of course they would. Not a single part is compatible with any other guns except the pic rail.
This is the country that makes airsoft replicas of well designed guns and has the CNC equipment to push out fake unity mounts and mlok rails and surefires and 294830 varieties of fidget toys. They know what's popular overseas and they just decided to reject all of that and adopt the stupidest chinky looking rifle possible
Are you fucking retarded. They're designing a gun that will be made in the millions to arm their domestic military, who gives a fuck if it's compatible with your airsoft shit AR's or not?
I'm sure simonov thought " gee I better make sure my sks is compatible with the m1 garand incase we ever decide to export these to america". Here we are 70 years later still buying original military production sks'.
nice post, but they really only designed their own round so that officers wouldn't be able to sell off warehouses of ammo to foreign markets under the table. it's much easier than trying to combat the actual corruption that's rampant in every level of their society.
>le keyhole meme >after its been shown repeatedly they were using rubber training bullets
I don't know why anyone bothers trying to set things straight around here, the moment you do you're called a chink, vatnik, or poo
Because it left no impact on the back stop in the video, real rounds would have easily gone through that. The Chinese have made plenty of rifles in the past that have never been accused of keyholing and if it was that bad, official propaganda wouldn't have shown it.
>accused >china releases video bragging about new rifle >keyholes at like 9 ft. >"these-u western lound-eye pigus accuse us of not buirding goodu laifu" >accused
>The Chinese have made plenty of rifles in the past
Almost all based on Soviet designs, many of those even using Soviet-supplied tooling. Done under prior regimes focused on Cold War survival. Now you have a new weapon made in the context of this hyper-capitalist-masquerading-as-commie regime going full fucking retard and playing wolf warrior games while rampant corruption runs amok throughout every facet of it, to the point that basic goddamned MREs are deathtraps. Now, with all this in mind, please explain how the Type 56s and other knockoffs have any bearing on this latest shitshow.
>le rubber training bullet meme >after it's been shown that western rubber training bullet doesn't keyhole >and that chinese guns exported to canada does
It's just totally unknown, no one outside China has handled or even seen one, so no one can actually say if it is bad or good. It's probably at least decent, given the Chinese record on small arms, but we'll never really know until it gets exported.
>No dust cover, gaping hole behind bolt directly into travel path in country that's literally half windswept desert. >Reciprocating buffer and (bizarrely) charging handle cover plate for RECIPROCATING charging handle that both must slide into stock, meaning it has to be a weird, complex, sensitive shape and cannot fold. >Bolt anti-rotation accomplished with small, spring loaded lever. One speck of dust in its path means the bolt rotates out of battery and jams. >Dual chamber gas block cannot be cleaned completely without removing it from the gun. >Trigger pack is complex and too slim, because removable trigger pack was an afterthought and receiver wasn't enlarged to accommodate this.
>Fixed folding rear irons necessitate giant skyscraper ring risers to clear objective lenses for dmr variants >No drop free magazine. >No ambi boot release >Can't lock bolt to rear except with empty magazine >Bizarre, 4 90 degree turn mating surface between receiver halves exacerbates obvious fitment tolerance issues.
>Two piece, receiver + handguard arrangement means zero retention concerns for forward mounted optics, lasers, etc. >All this in a rifle supposedly designed in modern day. Not an AR or AK from 19-fucking-50.
Really hate this stupid fucking thing bros.
Chinese should be ashamed this is the best they can produce in today's modern age.
>accused >china releases video bragging about new rifle >keyholes at like 9 ft. >"these-u western lound-eye pigus accuse us of not buirding goodu laifu" >accused
Rubber training rounds that do not stabilize is the explanation I’ve heard.
It's rubber rounds that are meant to keyhole.
China might suck at sophisticated tech, but they've made fine rifling since the 1950s when they were legit Africa tier poor.
They would have been better just putting an ambi-safety and bolt hold open on an AKM variant and adopting that.
I'm serious, they should have just done that instead.
It's like you took the worst features possible from every existing modern rifle and put them all into a gun that somehow doesn't stabilize at 5 meters.
I very badly need to see disassembly and real testing. Please export them, changshill.
You just want one reason? I got more than that >Designed by bugmen from stolen IP >Manufactured by bugmen in government controlled facilities >The ergos look like they were stolen from the 80's (they were and have been in design since then) >The cartridge keyholes at 5m >op is a dumb chink shilling moron
Does anyone have the webm where a Chinese sniper spends his time aiming in increasingly elaborate ways and then the rifle sends a round tumbling out the barrel and misses completely when he finally fires?
ngl I think it looks neat and I kinda want one. It would be an ultimate hipster gun. Wouldn't shoot it however. I like my face and hands the way they are.
The stock doesn't fold. And that is all OP. They may be able to make a version with folding stock given a disarm interlock and gap jumped buffer in which case..
It's a bad copy of an AR-18.
Even the worst koreans were able to figure out how to modernize the K2 and make it have a full-length top rail.
(Though the irony of using a Chinese-made light in the bottom pic isn't lost on me.)
It's made by bugmen.
Damnit you beat me to it. Fpbp.
Pretty much.
fibbius pibbius
>chinese
>Chinese weapons are so bad that the US has to make them illegal to import or else they would dominate the market with $400 clones
>being cheap means it’s good quality.
>I don't have an even high school level understanding of what dumping is or how it works, or of the role of government in protecting strategically significant domestic markets.
Stay in school kids
If the rifles are really so shitty then domestic manufacturers have nothing to worry about and don’t need protection via daddy government. Why do you hate consumer choice and the free market anon?
>t 50 year old boomer working at Rustington
China might have had a chance of getting the 1993 import restrictions repealed if Norinco hadn't made a completely unsolicited offer to sell MANPADS to undercover ATF agents.
I like to think some company men were found face down in a ditch with bullets in the backs of their heads for that cockup
>I like to think some company men were found face down in a ditch with bullets in the backs of their heads for that cockup
rubber bullets actually, those guys lived
We have a shitton of chinese AR-15s in euroland, literal pipe bombs for retarded boomers that don't fucking shoot anyway.
No, they were made illegal because chinks sold RPGs and machine guns to hood rats
Aliexpress typa shit
This rifle is like someone who just looked at different rifles, threw them together without knowing how any or why they worked and then claim how good they must be. In essence the prefect metaphor for Chinese arms development.
I watched the state sponsored interview with norinco on this shitheap and they have like thousands of employees and hundreds of engineers and this is still the best they could come up with with ten year old CAD, which they're just now using for the first time. Goofy caliber nobody else uses because of course they would. Not a single part is compatible with any other guns except the pic rail.
This is the country that makes airsoft replicas of well designed guns and has the CNC equipment to push out fake unity mounts and mlok rails and surefires and 294830 varieties of fidget toys. They know what's popular overseas and they just decided to reject all of that and adopt the stupidest chinky looking rifle possible
Are you fucking retarded. They're designing a gun that will be made in the millions to arm their domestic military, who gives a fuck if it's compatible with your airsoft shit AR's or not?
I'm sure simonov thought " gee I better make sure my sks is compatible with the m1 garand incase we ever decide to export these to america". Here we are 70 years later still buying original military production sks'.
Fag
nice post, but they really only designed their own round so that officers wouldn't be able to sell off warehouses of ammo to foreign markets under the table. it's much easier than trying to combat the actual corruption that's rampant in every level of their society.
Y'know they could have just adopted 5.45 for that...
not a lot of combloc nations adopted 5.45 because the russians were greedy about it
how ironic
>goofy caliber
its NATO+1, like russians did before them.
even better, Norinco has been making an AR-15 clone called the CQ for 40 years.
do we have evidence that it doesn't keyhole?
>le keyhole meme
>after its been shown repeatedly they were using rubber training bullets
I don't know why anyone bothers trying to set things straight around here, the moment you do you're called a chink, vatnik, or poo
>rifle caliber rubber training bullets
>they don't work right anyways LMAO
can you actually prove that it was proven to be, and I can't believe I'm saying this, rubber rifle training rounds?
Because it left no impact on the back stop in the video, real rounds would have easily gone through that. The Chinese have made plenty of rifles in the past that have never been accused of keyholing and if it was that bad, official propaganda wouldn't have shown it.
so they didn't shoot anything now? wut.
you're saying it was proven, can you show me?
rubber training tube
PrepHole is a great place for seeing the dunning kruger effect in action
>accused
there's nothing to accuse, they fucking things keyhole by their own fucking admission lmao
>accused
>china releases video bragging about new rifle
>keyholes at like 9 ft.
>"these-u western lound-eye pigus accuse us of not buirding goodu laifu"
>accused
>The Chinese have made plenty of rifles in the past
Almost all based on Soviet designs, many of those even using Soviet-supplied tooling. Done under prior regimes focused on Cold War survival. Now you have a new weapon made in the context of this hyper-capitalist-masquerading-as-commie regime going full fucking retard and playing wolf warrior games while rampant corruption runs amok throughout every facet of it, to the point that basic goddamned MREs are deathtraps. Now, with all this in mind, please explain how the Type 56s and other knockoffs have any bearing on this latest shitshow.
>le rubber training bullet meme
>after it's been shown that western rubber training bullet doesn't keyhole
>and that chinese guns exported to canada does
>rubber
>training
>bullets
You are an idiot. No.
dust
i imagine the accuracy on that thing is dogshit
Safe to assume, you mean
It's just totally unknown, no one outside China has handled or even seen one, so no one can actually say if it is bad or good. It's probably at least decent, given the Chinese record on small arms, but we'll never really know until it gets exported.
>No dust cover, gaping hole behind bolt directly into travel path in country that's literally half windswept desert.
>Reciprocating buffer and (bizarrely) charging handle cover plate for RECIPROCATING charging handle that both must slide into stock, meaning it has to be a weird, complex, sensitive shape and cannot fold.
>Bolt anti-rotation accomplished with small, spring loaded lever. One speck of dust in its path means the bolt rotates out of battery and jams.
>Dual chamber gas block cannot be cleaned completely without removing it from the gun.
>Trigger pack is complex and too slim, because removable trigger pack was an afterthought and receiver wasn't enlarged to accommodate this.
>Fixed folding rear irons necessitate giant skyscraper ring risers to clear objective lenses for dmr variants
>No drop free magazine.
>No ambi boot release
>Can't lock bolt to rear except with empty magazine
>Bizarre, 4 90 degree turn mating surface between receiver halves exacerbates obvious fitment tolerance issues.
>Two piece, receiver + handguard arrangement means zero retention concerns for forward mounted optics, lasers, etc.
>All this in a rifle supposedly designed in modern day. Not an AR or AK from 19-fucking-50.
Really hate this stupid fucking thing bros.
Chinese should be ashamed this is the best they can produce in today's modern age.
Why are they practicing to kill Zach Hazard?
It is the best of the current intermediate cartridges.
Because it's not a 1911
>tumbles at 3 yards
no thanks.
keyholing at 10 fucking feet wow amazing
Rubber training rounds that do not stabilize is the explanation I’ve heard.
Is it just me or does the target look like Zach Hazard with slant eyes?
It's rubber rounds that are meant to keyhole.
China might suck at sophisticated tech, but they've made fine rifling since the 1950s when they were legit Africa tier poor.
>still using the AK rock-in method for magazines
Jfc
They would have been better just putting an ambi-safety and bolt hold open on an AKM variant and adopting that.
I'm serious, they should have just done that instead.
It's like you took the worst features possible from every existing modern rifle and put them all into a gun that somehow doesn't stabilize at 5 meters.
I very badly need to see disassembly and real testing. Please export them, changshill.
You just want one reason? I got more than that
>Designed by bugmen from stolen IP
>Manufactured by bugmen in government controlled facilities
>The ergos look like they were stolen from the 80's (they were and have been in design since then)
>The cartridge keyholes at 5m
>op is a dumb chink shilling moron
Does anyone have the webm where a Chinese sniper spends his time aiming in increasingly elaborate ways and then the rifle sends a round tumbling out the barrel and misses completely when he finally fires?
I gotchu anon
The way it cuts to those 2 guys multiple times gets me every time
Because it has a microchip that will disable the gun when the CCP press the button.
ngl I think it looks neat and I kinda want one. It would be an ultimate hipster gun. Wouldn't shoot it however. I like my face and hands the way they are.
Besides the fact it's never been in combat?
These are better
Việt Nam tự chủ sản xuất súng bộ binh, Vietnam proactive in infantry weapon production, Z111 | VTV4 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvAryKfsggo
5.8 is a meme cartridge
The stock doesn't fold. And that is all OP. They may be able to make a version with folding stock given a disarm interlock and gap jumped buffer in which case..
1.) Because I say so
It's a bad copy of an AR-18.
Even the worst koreans were able to figure out how to modernize the K2 and make it have a full-length top rail.
(Though the irony of using a Chinese-made light in the bottom pic isn't lost on me.)
Eh?
It's just another chinkshit rifle that copies Russians in design and Americans in engineering kek, it is THE Chinese product.