Name a better use of $1000

Savage 112 338 Lapua magnum
Slap a $250 5-25x on there (has pic rail, no boomer scope ring frustration)
it comes with the muzzle brake
can shoot a mile or bust armored cars at 500
laughs at lvl4 plates
hunt grizzly bear with it for the lolz
a round worth reloading for

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >$250 5-25x
    yuck

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Feel free to offer an alternative or keep yucking yourself.
      You're such a yuck person.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >offer an alternative
        Glass made in a first world country

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Complaining about Chinese glass is a dated opinion. They're churning out dirt cheap ED glass there now that's at least competitive with mid-tier options like the Viper. Though I'd probably at least shoot for the $500 price point and get an Arken or something if you're going 5-25x.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        SWFA

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I'd rather be yuck than a poorgay like you anon. that's an awful optic

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Hell, OP could get a Primary Arms, Vortex, etc for about the same amount of money.
          It'd be nice if businesses with terminal dragon sickness actually paid their workers, but that's a separate issue from OP not choosing affordable optics that are good.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This. Until you've tried nicer optics and been forced to dial in field conditions you're likely not going to understand. Op needs to put a plate at 600 yards and give himself 1 bullet to hit it. When he misses, he stops for the day, he can only go back to the 100 yard range to zero check and then he tries again.

      SWFA

      This. Fixed 12x up to 16x if you have to be cheap.

      https://i.imgur.com/qhwVl6W.jpeg

      Savage 112 338 Lapua magnum
      Slap a $250 5-25x on there (has pic rail, no boomer scope ring frustration)
      it comes with the muzzle brake
      can shoot a mile or bust armored cars at 500
      laughs at lvl4 plates
      hunt grizzly bear with it for the lolz
      a round worth reloading for

      r2vnwx
      I love the premise of every man having something they can shoot 1000 yards with amd have a >5% chance of hitting something though.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >This. Until you've tried nicer optics and been forced to dial in field conditions you're likely not going to understand.
        OP's choice is SO fricking cheapshit though that honestly he doesn't really lose anything by experience true shit for awhile, and if he's never really done much with hpvos before honestly it's a good learning experience and will help him appreciate the right stuff later (and pick something out he'll like). Comparing notes with friends, honestly it was good for our fundamentals to have grown up in the 80s/90s with absolute (by today's standards) garbage as kids.

        Don't shoot their steel gongs with 338. It'll start denting them because theyre likey cheap and thin and they won't understand and they'll make a no greater than 308 rules or no 556 rifles because they'll think it's m855.
        If you must: get your own steel to shoot it with OR use the 300gr slower loads and only shoot them from 500 yards or further which will hopefully reduce the effect. The 250 at 2900 fps on a 200 yard gong will mess it up. Don't be the guy wo ruins it for everyone. You know what it will do and you can observe it for yourself personally if you have to.

        It's possible they actually do have quality steel and that's why only 50 is banned, but yeah worth thinking about. Another alternative if you reload, there are 338 bullets designed to be less penetrating, hell there are even ultra oddball CQC bullets for whatever reason (honestly kinda curious who the heck uses them and what for), only 100gr! Of course those will have a wild different poi.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    2k rounds of 5.56

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >bust armored cars
    lol

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      a serious armored car, I know most of them barely stop 7.62x39

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I used to be a .gov PSDgay, the highest rated hard cars (level 7, IED rated) will eventually fail with repeated hits of 7.62 and those are some chonky windows.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          so 338 ap is just the ticket for punching the windows? must be a lame ied, a shaped charge mine will take out anything on wheels or tracks

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Blow money on dumb pvp larp you're never going to experience

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Technically you can experience any time you want. You just have to take the red pill and pretend that you'll wake up once you lob a round a 1000 yards at a brinks truck

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Pretty big 'ole.
        What the frick caused it?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          45acp

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >can shoot a mile or bust armored cars at 500
    >laughs at lvl4 plates
    >hunt grizzly bear with it for the lolz
    you'll never do any of this

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I might shoot a mile or hunt grizz, you dunno me

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I know the pic in OP isn't even yours

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          tHatS nOt eVEn yoUrS

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Good point, didn't consider that

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >you dunno me
        i know more than you'd think.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous
  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why yes I'd love to spend $4+ for a single round

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Make those bullets count, zoomer
      >Rapid fire 5.56 pistol caliber in shooting range
      Not giving that moose meat on the table

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I mean that's pretty cool, but I'd rather have .300 Win Mag. I'll never have the skills to really make use of .338 Lapua.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >338 Lapua magnum
      Get with the times, gramps. Should've gotten a 300PRC

      300wm respectable choice but a notch below 338lm
      300prc a fricking joke, the 250 grain 338 has the same BC as the 220gr 308, why would anyone want to shoot a smaller bullet from a more overbore cartridge, less effect on target, wears your gun out quicker

      Why yes I'd love to spend $4+ for a single round

      adrenaline per dollar 1 338 = 10 5.56
      reload it and have fun dumping a ton of cheap powder in that thicc case

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >300prc a fricking joke
        moron

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >300wm respectable choice but a notch below 338lm
        >300prc a fricking joke, the 250 grain 338 has the same BC as the 220gr 308, why would anyone want to shoot a smaller bullet from a more overbore cartridge, less effect on target, wears your gun out quicker
        Somebody hasn't been keeping up to date with projectile choices. There are several 30cal projectiles that beat anything that'd fit in a 338.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          stupidly long for caliber bullets is only cool when 6.5 does it

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >respectable but a notch below
        you're moronic
        >250gr has same BC as 220gr so hur dur smaller bullet weird cope nonsense argument
        you're so clearly a noguns. Please, please go back.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >I mean that's pretty cool, but I'd rather have .300 Win Mag. I'll never have the skills to really make use of .338 Lapua.
      I'm doing a new bolt in 300wm right now for that reason and also simply cost. Everything 33cal and up is massively more expensive. 30 cal definitely is not the best BC, 284/7mm class is probably better there, and of course 33+. But it's a fun proven round, a bit more oomph then 308, while still being available for well under 150cpr, for reloading there are endless 30cal loads and brass is cheap, same 30cal suppressors work fine, etc. I can get other stuff down the road but I think 300wm is a pretty practical round for those of us who don't live next to BLM land with 100 miles to shoot without another soul.

      >338 Lapua magnum
      Get with the times, gramps. Should've gotten a 300PRC

      >Should've gotten a 300PRC
      Genuinely a very nice, well done and interesting looking caliber. But limited off the shelf options, and like 230-240cpr as the base level, cheapest price. If you're purely reloading that's fine, but in that case you can look at a lot of other very good options as well. 7mm PRC is also a strong competitor. I like reloading too but I also want the flexibility of just getting a case of stuff if I want, it's not like it matters much at <700yd. 6.5 would be fine for that matter, 300wm is just for indulging in poverty big boolet.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        300 people's republic of catboys

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Nice, have you decided the twist rate and reamer you intend to use or are you going full saami? I've dealt with a 1:9 using a mk13 reamer but never shot factory area loads through it because the owner was warned against using too light of projectiles in the faster twist. Also what action and are you speaking of doing custom actions? What bullets are you looking into?

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >338 Lapua magnum
    Get with the times, gramps. Should've gotten a 300PRC

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I did but I don't know if it was the best move.

      I mean that's pretty cool, but I'd rather have .300 Win Mag. I'll never have the skills to really make use of .338 Lapua.

      300 winmag is still a good move even among the competition these days.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    you need AP ammo in 338 to pen lvl4 plates. FMJ and bonded bullets just arent fard enough. Even 50bmg FMJ doesnt pen lvl4. Though 50BMG m855 equiv does.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      338 AP punches lvl4 at 500 yards
      fmj might not because lead is soft as shit but the backface deformation would be lethal

      >300prc a fricking joke
      moron

      "yeah uh we need a round with 50% hit prob on a man size target at 2000y and make it 30 cal because that's like, our caliber" lmfao

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >50% hit prob on a man size target at 2000y
        have you ever achieved this?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          No because it's impossible outside an ideal gun range environment

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >but the backface deformation would be lethal
        No it wouldn't be

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >338 AP
        Where are you getting these projectiles? Who's your source?
        >30 cal is somehow not useful because number smaller
        we've all be had, this is a BAIT THREAD

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    For a grand I'd probably opt for one of those fancy airguns that can sling an arrow or bolt faster than any crossbow and sling at least a .357 pellet to 1k fps.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      air rifles are cool, I'd get a regular 357 like you said and not that .50 double barrel thing. it says it only gets 5 shots. a normal one you get like 15 full power and 15 adequate power. and they're semi automatic anyways.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >tfw .50 is ABSOLUTELY VERBOTEN at my local fudd range
    >They havent said shit about 338 Lapua

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Most fud range rules are because of insurance reasons

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Don't shoot their steel gongs with 338. It'll start denting them because theyre likey cheap and thin and they won't understand and they'll make a no greater than 308 rules or no 556 rifles because they'll think it's m855.
      If you must: get your own steel to shoot it with OR use the 300gr slower loads and only shoot them from 500 yards or further which will hopefully reduce the effect. The 250 at 2900 fps on a 200 yard gong will mess it up. Don't be the guy wo ruins it for everyone. You know what it will do and you can observe it for yourself personally if you have to.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Ah, I see you've moved on from the Bergara

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      thanks for documenting my tastes for future generations

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >338 Lapua Magnum
    >$250 scope

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    338 lapua is overkill for pretty much everything, 308 will kill anything in north america
    >bbut u cant shoot a mile
    get good at stalking. i'll walk 200yd to save $3.50 per round.
    if you have a need to pen lv4 plates you're probably dead anyways.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I don't think anyone, not even OP who is always a homosexual, suggests there is any need for 338. It's for extreme range comp or fun if that's what you're into and have the budget for. I think it's kinda a moronic choice on OP's build but whatever.

      And people who claim they need super range for hunting are larpers who don't hunt imo, or at least I sure hope so because I don't think basically anyone can do so ethically. And as a practical matter even 500yd is quite a ways to walk, over potentially hard terrain, just to get started on even picking up a blood trail if you don't drop it in one. If you can't get within 100-200yd of a fricking animal you just use your gun on yourself.

      About the only NA exception for longer range hunting is bighorn sheep, but that's literally a once in a lifetime opportunity. Last year when I looked the odds of applicants drawing a bighorn ticket in CO where I tried was less then 1 in 2000. While I wouldn't be stunned if there are one or two /k/ommandos who've gotten one, I also wouldn't be stunned if literally nobody here ever has.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >if you have to penetrate lvl4 plates you're probably dead anyway
      not if I'm 500 yards away

      I don't think anyone, not even OP who is always a homosexual, suggests there is any need for 338. It's for extreme range comp or fun if that's what you're into and have the budget for. I think it's kinda a moronic choice on OP's build but whatever.

      And people who claim they need super range for hunting are larpers who don't hunt imo, or at least I sure hope so because I don't think basically anyone can do so ethically. And as a practical matter even 500yd is quite a ways to walk, over potentially hard terrain, just to get started on even picking up a blood trail if you don't drop it in one. If you can't get within 100-200yd of a fricking animal you just use your gun on yourself.

      About the only NA exception for longer range hunting is bighorn sheep, but that's literally a once in a lifetime opportunity. Last year when I looked the odds of applicants drawing a bighorn ticket in CO where I tried was less then 1 in 2000. While I wouldn't be stunned if there are one or two /k/ommandos who've gotten one, I also wouldn't be stunned if literally nobody here ever has.

      >picking up a blood trail if you didn't drop it in 1
      338 at 500 hits like 308 at the muzzle

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >338 at 500 hits like 308 at the muzzle
        Bit more actually, at least if you're using a high bc heavier bullet. At G1 >0.7 or so 338 should still be over 3000 ftlb at 500. But that isn't going to help if mess up your windage and hit it badly.

        I'm denying there are places in north america where people do ultra long range shooting, but it's not a (safe, ethical) thing in most of it except maybe hogs.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Hunting past 400 yards is pretty gay and moronic. Every 100y becomes exponentially more difficult, wind reads are never 100% accurate, ranging often has error in the field, high angle is common, air density often different from where you zeroed leading to changes in drag. Look up the various shooting challenges on YT like Eric Cortinas blackjack (variable size plates at 500y), Texas Plinking (10" plate at 1000y) and the Backfire challenge (milkjugs spaces out to 500y). Seems like most shooters fail to make consistent cold bore hits on vital-sized targets with typical hunting rifles out past 300 yards once they're off the bench. I know you don't believe me because LOL SNIPER RIFLE but the OP setup will be very hard to shoot well.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          nah bro I've got an app on my phone where I select the brand of bullet and my barrel length and it gives me the drops. I'm pretty good at guessing distances too.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >nah bro I've got an app on my phone where I select the brand of bullet and my barrel length and it gives me the drops. I'm pretty good at guessing distances too.
            You absolute fricking noshoot moron. That you saw "wind read" and thought "drops" it's just fricking sad.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Gotta be a troll post

            Idk, doesn’t seem that hard, I shoot out to 600yds at my rifle range and it’s not particularly hard to hit the target or anything, even do it with a 5.56 with a C-more red dot, not to mention the 14x on my bolt action.

            You literally ignored every facet of an in-field cold bore shot that I described, and went straight back to "I've hit steel at the range."

            Everyone can hit steel at the range. The challenges of long range shooting, and in particular long range hunting have nothing to do with your goddamn zoom power. Your bullet is travelling in a parabolic manner, both in elevation and windage, and in order to make a good shot you need to do math. That math requires very accurate inputs, and typically some of those inputs will NOT be accurate in the field. Not only that, you need more adjustment than you do at the range, because of your angle and because of a possible change in altitude from the location you zeroed.

            Next time you go shoot, take two dice and a milk jug or small bucket - something the size of a deers lungs. Roll the dice one after the other. That's your range (example - a 4 and a 6, 460y). Set up your target. Try to shoot it resting your rifle off of a backpack or other expedient field rest - no rear bag. If you miss on your first shot, game over, you wounded and lost a buck. That's long range hunting and that's why it's moronic.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              he's just (you) farming. This whole thing is absurd and clearly written to get people upset. He succeeded!

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Walking rounds in =/= cold bore. For anything that matters other than competition with 'sighters' allowed only the first round counts. Not trying to bully, just make sure you test several different ways of confirming you can do it in the field.
              >first round of the day hit across different weeks
              >first round hit after long drive with the rifle and significantly different weather
              >first round hit with a new batch of ammunition
              >standard 100-300 yard/meter you use and confirm then immediately dial to shoot a 600 yard shot. Bring it back to zero. Confirm tracking at zeroing distance again.
              >600 yards across different valleys and flats
              >work your way into practice for wind and don't beat yourself up too hard on a windy day you wouldn't take a shot on
              Then to bonus simulate set up a gong in a place your range finder will struggle or purposely avoid ranging it. Then range the nearest solid object and interpolate the difference and see if you can first round hit. In the field, frequently it's difficult to tell if you're beaming the animal or something behind it or infront of it but often there's a big rock or tree nearby. Have fun and expect to eat shit at it for awhile. Also print off your drop charts at different standard pressure elevations and leave them in your gun bag.

              I'm loving the game posting. Someone should make a test of practical shooting that checks equipment combined with skill.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                This guy's '1 minute standard' test is really useful. Can you reliably set up a 600m cold bore shot in a given weather environment with variable wind? It's a very simple but challenging

                Your effort posts are appreciated anon but I don't think that was a troll post and someone who says "I'm pretty good at estimating distances XD" in the context of single or sub-moa at 500yd can just be ignored. They're pure theorycrafters. Though:
                >- no rear bag
                I think most precision guns have rear monopods at least, mine does, they do help. Though I don't hunt beyond 200yd and even approaching that is unusual, 100 or less is more the mark.

                Honestly it's weird, how did the whole long range meme thing even really happen? Like the ranges we're talking about are normal, state has done surveys, like 94% of kills were <100yd a few years ago. 300 feet is a long fricking distance in the woods or field! I've managed to get within 15yd of deer in the past. People hunt with muzzle loaders and bow and arrow every year. For centuries! How the frick did 33cal or up and all this tech even enter into it?

                morons watched KO1M videos and ego hunters taking elk at 700 yards and decided that was a baseline. High country/west coast hunters go nuts for the idea of a big swinging dick long distance shot, and people eat it up. Same reason the idea of the 'longest recorded kill' gets so much traction with normies. It's ego.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Your effort posts are appreciated anon but I don't think that was a troll post and someone who says "I'm pretty good at estimating distances XD" in the context of single or sub-moa at 500yd can just be ignored. They're pure theorycrafters. Though:
              >- no rear bag
              I think most precision guns have rear monopods at least, mine does, they do help. Though I don't hunt beyond 200yd and even approaching that is unusual, 100 or less is more the mark.

              Honestly it's weird, how did the whole long range meme thing even really happen? Like the ranges we're talking about are normal, state has done surveys, like 94% of kills were <100yd a few years ago. 300 feet is a long fricking distance in the woods or field! I've managed to get within 15yd of deer in the past. People hunt with muzzle loaders and bow and arrow every year. For centuries! How the frick did 33cal or up and all this tech even enter into it?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                this makes sense

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYfmOVUDggg
                This guy's '1 minute standard' test is really useful. Can you reliably set up a 600m cold bore shot in a given weather environment with variable wind? It's a very simple but challenging
                [...]
                morons watched KO1M videos and ego hunters taking elk at 700 yards and decided that was a baseline. High country/west coast hunters go nuts for the idea of a big swinging dick long distance shot, and people eat it up. Same reason the idea of the 'longest recorded kill' gets so much traction with normies. It's ego.

                . also probably some post hoc justification shit? people consoom a bunch of stuff cuz they wanna. but they can't just admit "got this $$$$$$ gear since it seemed cool even tho I dont shoot it much just my hobby" no they need a "good reason". so then they come up with fairytails about how totally it was a good value cuz... uh... grizzly bears driving armored cars in le SHTF at one mile. and fellow folks who spent a shitload in the same boat arent gonna tell them no. so then whole communities of circle jerk develop of everyone pretending to each other.

                makes me think of reading about audiophile shit. these forums where people would claim wide eyed that their $600 3.5mm cable totally was required for "full rich soundstaging quantum accoustics" to enjoy a fricking record and someone else going no you need the $1000 platinum iridium cable to really hear it.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >how did the whole long range meme thing even really happen?
                It was sold to us by the gun industry.

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYfmOVUDggg
                This guy's '1 minute standard' test is really useful. Can you reliably set up a 600m cold bore shot in a given weather environment with variable wind? It's a very simple but challenging
                [...]
                morons watched KO1M videos and ego hunters taking elk at 700 yards and decided that was a baseline. High country/west coast hunters go nuts for the idea of a big swinging dick long distance shot, and people eat it up. Same reason the idea of the 'longest recorded kill' gets so much traction with normies. It's ego.

                >High country/west coast hunters go nuts for the idea of a big swinging dick long distance shot, and people eat it up
                I hunt in a lot of open areas, and when you see game you can never reach you definitely crave the ability to shoot further. However, even a cursory amount of reading on long range shooting, never mind some practical shooting exercises, will show you how moronic trying to cold-bore animals at long distance is.

                I think it also represents a loss of knowledge and a lack of interest in animal knowledge and field skills. You can call bull elk, whitetail bucks, moose and bears into point blank range, and it's way cooler than sniping one. I've even called and rattled in mule deer.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Shooting animals past a given range where you can (honestly!) give your self and your setup a 95%+ hit rate is just wasteful. Best case, you land your shot because you did everything right and your wind call was correct. Worst case, you wound an animal and go on a 5+ hour moose chase and you've ruined the meat and the animal has suffered immensely, for nothing other than a CHANCE to satisfy ego. Silly. Bad behavior!

                that's what I'm saying
                [...]
                you're the moron, have fun with your meme caliber, 338 Lapua is 20x as famous and will still be here after 300 whateverthefrick is gone. You didn't refute a single one of my arguments.
                [...]
                >guide
                kek
                [...]
                you can buy AP 338 it's completely legal, and the backface deformation will 100% kill you at 200. also I'd bet solid copper OTMs will penetrate.
                [...]
                [...]
                the only part that was bait was the scope, really I'll wait for the vortex to go on sale, $400 not $250

                Again, this is just b8posting and (You) farming. You got your replies, you can stop being an abrasive homosexual now. Every hunter knows what 300 win mag is. Very few people know what 338 anything is, and those that do are either hyperperforming ELR shooters or moronic fudds such as (You). Nobody is selling 338 ap btw. And nobody is shooting them fast enough to get a solid copper round through armor at a given distance. Please stop.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                you can make your own, it's legal. they sell hardened steel nails at lowes. stick it in a mold and pour some copper around it.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                RIP accuracy
                And that's assuming your cast copper came out fine, which it wont.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >ah yes, I will produce a stable and concentric projectile out of *checks notes* lowes nails and a mold
                made me smile a little.

                >casting copper
                >using a lead mold to cast copper (this is how you kaboom guns)
                >placing an uncensored piece of metal in the core to destabilize the bullet in flight
                Are you 14?

                you guys are making a lot of assumptions.
                what if I buy some nails that are already like .334, cut them to uniform length, grind the tips round and dunk them in the copper a few times?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >what if I buy some nails that are already like .334, cut them to uniform length, grind the tips round and dunk them in the copper a few times?
                Why don't you tell anon. What if you do? Go do it and find out, then post the results.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Added to the list. I'm guessing stable but bad accuracy. Accuracy suffers with all AP rounds tho.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Accuracy doesn't inherently 'suffer with all AP rounds' you dingus. Stability would lead to better accuracy anyway. Stability is a function of twist and projectile design. If a bullet is not extremely well-balanced and stable (extremely well turned solid, i.e. expensive) it's going to be less accurate by default. If anything, a well-designed AP round is going to be more stable because the mass is closer to the centerline of the projectile.

                Didn't they used to make entire swords from cast copper? I wouldn't have guessed it'd be pitty.

                Grinding wheels existed.

                Could I do hardcast lead around a .20 nail, powder coat it and make a 300gr so it'll only go 2700?

                It probably won't stabilize in the barrel or be consistent to range, but go ahead and see what happens.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Casting copper is shit, it will be all pitty and trash.
                Also the bearing surface of a lead core (thin) guiding metal jacket is much different than pure copper, or copper coating steel, you would get bad, and perhaps catastrophic pressure spikes without properly designed canaleurs

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Could I do hardcast lead around a .20 nail, powder coat it and make a 300gr so it'll only go 2700?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Didn't they used to make entire swords from cast copper? I wouldn't have guessed it'd be pitty.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >ah yes, I will produce a stable and concentric projectile out of *checks notes* lowes nails and a mold
                made me smile a little.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >casting copper
                >using a lead mold to cast copper (this is how you kaboom guns)
                >placing an uncensored piece of metal in the core to destabilize the bullet in flight
                Are you 14?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >you can
                So do it anon. Post pictures. Show us how your groups turn out. Everyone loves, unironically, to see anons do actual neat projects, even if they're silly ones, so long as it's actually doing stuff. There have been fun threads over the years on shit straight down to making your own kydex holsters. Doing some wild round thing if you're honest about it is cool too. There as an apanon a few years ago he did genuine for real ap ammo experiments. It was ghetto stuff, he'd melt out TMJ bullets and use that for the shell, but it was real, he shot them, it was cool as a heck.

                What's becomes irritating is people who write this theoryshit but we all know never ACTUALLY do anything, and then insist it's so trivial and they totally could. All of the hard work here is in the details, of actually going from idea to real world existence, precisely and repeatedly. Which you don't and won't do, assuming you even shoot at all.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Gonna add on here - it is very difficult to get as stable in the field as you can at the range.

              Bipods are often very difficult to use when hunting. There's simply too much brush, woody debris etc in many locations. I've shot prone in farmers fields, but more typically I'm in a seated position, off knees, a pack or shooting sticks. Maybe you just hustled into position, and you've got a lot of adrenaline flowing because you're looking at an animal through the scope.

              Additionally - our hunting rifles aren't as precise as we like to pretend they are. There's a reason most modern target rifles are 15-20lbs and in small calibers. Guns move under recoil before the bullet leaves the muzzle. It's a dirty little secret. Those flyers that are "just you" are a real part of your groups and represent the dispersion you can expect out of a powerful 8lb rifle. The day I accepted my hunting rifle was an honest 2moa was liberating as frick. Before you go posting your best 3 rounder, take all your other 3 rounders and stack them on top of eachother. That's how well your gun shoots.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Tripod is the new baseline meta for backcountry hunting. Even if it's just to use as a rearbag support, having a tripod will do far more for you than shooting sticks or a tall bag. Hell, even the hat creek guys are using hatchets chopped into a tree stump to use as a front rest. There's so much flexibility with the tools we have, but if you don't have fundamentals to back up all that shit then it literally will not matter.

                #250's are ubiquitously out of stock online for major stores, "in-stock" on the plethora of scam reloading sites, sporadically on shelves in brick 'n mortar stores, or on Gunbroker for a 30% markup. You need to be pretty vigilant to even catch #34's or No. 9 1/2's nowadays.

                With magnum rounds and custom magnum caliber bolt-guns that cost thousands to build, I wouldn't touch or even consider using surplus powder. It's not being a money snob at that point but simple risk management. I rather not have my 4.5k custom .338 lapua and 1.5k Trijicon scope get fricked because I wanted to cheap out on powder. You can cheap out on bullets but not the other components, especially not the powder.

                Federal #210/215's are great and totally fine for 338, especially if you get to pick your powder. But there are going to be huge powder supply problems in the next couple months with Alliant getting cut off.

                this makes sense [...]. also probably some post hoc justification shit? people consoom a bunch of stuff cuz they wanna. but they can't just admit "got this $$$$$$ gear since it seemed cool even tho I dont shoot it much just my hobby" no they need a "good reason". so then they come up with fairytails about how totally it was a good value cuz... uh... grizzly bears driving armored cars in le shtf at one mile. and fellow folks who spent a shitload in the same boat arent gonna tell them no. so then whole communities of circle jerk develop of everyone pretending to each other.

                makes me think of reading about audiophile shit. these forums where people would claim wide eyed that their $600 3.5mm cable totally was required for "full rich soundstaging quantum accoustics" to enjoy a fricking record and someone else going no you need the $1000 platinum iridium cable to really hear it.

                Well said. Same goes for basically every kind of hobby - car people: 'I bought a hellcat so imma do hellcat shit' and they just go to cars and coffee and rev it hard on public streets. People are wildly impractical and when money gets involved, their ego is similarly attached. Fly fishing even - hand tied, souper speshul rare glittering gay flies made by polynesian cat farmers go for $xxxx. It's just money wagging.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Tripod is the new baseline meta for backcountry hunting
                Tripod is the new baseline meta for instagram. I'm not saying they aren't good, it's just not what the majority of hunters are currently using. Things may change.

                When I was guiding (BC Canada, last year was my last year) I had a Sirui tripod that I carried for clients because so many of them would struggle to make good hits in the field. I had it set up with a little threaded on shooting rest and it was a big help for some of them.

                I've messed around with arca shooting setups and I like them a lot, but they aren't as prompt as other systems. Pretty annoying having your only shooting rest be folded and strapped to your pack. Plus, my tripod is always going to be doing double duty for my spotter, the swap is annoying and can be impractical. I think it's one of those things that you really would like to have, but doesn't always make sense in the field.

                I have the Weiser quikstix system, I like it a lot. No extra weight if you're already using trekking poles, very fast, and stable enough for responsible shots at responsible ranges.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I don't disagree with anything you said, and I appreciate that you have actual experience to back up your claims. I will say that tripods will get easier and faster to deploy in the next couple of years when backpack fasteners and mounting systems get better. And having them as a secondary tool with bipod as primary is the ideal setup. There isn't really a situation I can think of in the woods where (time permitting) a tripod + bipod can't get an effectively perfect shot setup.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Where in bc? Im trying to find new spots to hunt...living around abby/aldy/chiliwack but willing to drive

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Prince George area. The hunting is ok. Lots of space. If you come up between now and early June it shouldn't take you long to get a black bear.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Oh right on..i heard there were lots up there last fall but the source was questionable (coworker who bullshits 24/7)

                Thanks anon, ill get up there soon

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I've recently sucked it up and gotten a ckyepod on arca. It's a gucci indulgence on a lot of levels, but at the same time in limited time so far I'm genuinely pretty impressed with out it does in rough terrain and fallen trees and so on, typical hilly northern new england woods type of environment. The legs have so much more adjustment, it's solid as hell and lets me get quite stable shots so far even on really crappy areas. It'd be uselessly expensive at the range but for something that is still on the gun and relatively compact/not heavy it's pretty neat.

                Not calling it a "new baseline" or anything or shitting on tripods though.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                triple pull does it all

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Fly fishing even - hand tied, souper speshul rare glittering gay flies made by polynesian cat farmers go for $xxxx
                where the frick are you buying flies

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Additionally - our hunting rifles aren't as precise as we like to pretend they are. There's a reason most modern target rifles are 15-20lbs and in small calibers. Guns move under recoil before the bullet leaves the muzzle. It's a dirty little secret. Those flyers that are "just you" are a real part of your groups and represent the dispersion you can expect out of a powerful 8lb rifle. The day I accepted my hunting rifle was an honest 2moa was liberating as frick. Before you go posting your best 3 rounder, take all your other 3 rounders and stack them on top of eachother. That's how well your gun shoots.
                Fricking exactly. Though even this is almost generous. Even if you really did have some perfect 0.1moa laser shooter gun, "just you" is still a part of the equation. The animal that got shot in the ass because some moron shooting at 500yd slightly jerked a bit due to stress or simply did the math wrong doesn't care if it was the gun or "just them". And fwiw neither will other hunters, the warden or law, however unlikely it is someone gets caught. At least in my state it is in fact illegal to shoot a game animal then fail to make a very, very real effort to retrieve it. $1000 first offense, $2k min up to $4000 and 60 days in prison after that. "I did it from a long ways away and it was just too far to find it or track it" is a bs attitude.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                OP is the kind of guy to gutshot a muley and just pack out without even bothering to track it. It's just shitposting, but there are real buttholes out there that kill animals for the sake of having said they killed them.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                wot, if I gut shot a mule deer with a 338lm soft point it will drop anyway. I will take just the legs and backstrap though.

                >this post
                >this thought process
                oh wow, you've never even held a gun in real life, have you?

                not an argument, explain what's wrong with my build or gtfo ($400 on sale vortex not the $250 amazon.com one)

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >prove me wrong!
                >I can't be moronic unless you prove it!!!
                god doubling down too, how surprising

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            This, i have a kestrel so im alreadt a sniper. Doesnt matter if i dont know how to use it

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              amen hoss dial 2 mil left for wind and send it brother

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Idk, doesn’t seem that hard, I shoot out to 600yds at my rifle range and it’s not particularly hard to hit the target or anything, even do it with a 5.56 with a C-more red dot, not to mention the 14x on my bolt action.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Walking rounds in =/= cold bore. For anything that matters other than competition with 'sighters' allowed only the first round counts. Not trying to bully, just make sure you test several different ways of confirming you can do it in the field.
            >first round of the day hit across different weeks
            >first round hit after long drive with the rifle and significantly different weather
            >first round hit with a new batch of ammunition
            >standard 100-300 yard/meter you use and confirm then immediately dial to shoot a 600 yard shot. Bring it back to zero. Confirm tracking at zeroing distance again.
            >600 yards across different valleys and flats
            >work your way into practice for wind and don't beat yourself up too hard on a windy day you wouldn't take a shot on
            Then to bonus simulate set up a gong in a place your range finder will struggle or purposely avoid ranging it. Then range the nearest solid object and interpolate the difference and see if you can first round hit. In the field, frequently it's difficult to tell if you're beaming the animal or something behind it or infront of it but often there's a big rock or tree nearby. Have fun and expect to eat shit at it for awhile. Also print off your drop charts at different standard pressure elevations and leave them in your gun bag.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Yeah, all this. Also remember that a lot of accuracy discussions if you actually dig in people are doing a bunch of shots and in the raw pictures there will be a flyer they discarded because "oh that one was just me". But there are no "just a flyer, let's just set that one aside" when hunting.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            that's what I'm saying

            >respectable but a notch below
            you're moronic
            >250gr has same BC as 220gr so hur dur smaller bullet weird cope nonsense argument
            you're so clearly a noguns. Please, please go back.

            you're the moron, have fun with your meme caliber, 338 Lapua is 20x as famous and will still be here after 300 whateverthefrick is gone. You didn't refute a single one of my arguments.

            >hunt grizzly bear with it
            1. people hunt grizzlies with 308, and have killed them with 223, 9mm, 380, 22 long
            2. No guide is letting you hunt with a single shot rifle
            3. You wouldn't make it a mile in the brush with that 26" barrel, 15lb rifle.
            Also it won't go through armored vehicles at any range, nor will you be able to shoot a mile(the rifle is capable, but you aren't)

            >guide
            kek

            OP IS A moron N gay. lvl 4 plates will stop standard non AP rounds at 200 yards.

            you can buy AP 338 it's completely legal, and the backface deformation will 100% kill you at 200. also I'd bet solid copper OTMs will penetrate.

            >338 AP
            Where are you getting these projectiles? Who's your source?
            >30 cal is somehow not useful because number smaller
            we've all be had, this is a BAIT THREAD

            he's just (you) farming. This whole thing is absurd and clearly written to get people upset. He succeeded!

            the only part that was bait was the scope, really I'll wait for the vortex to go on sale, $400 not $250

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >guide
              >kek
              You can't hunt Grizzly bear in alaska/Canada as a non resident without a guide, and you can't hunt them in the lower 48 at all.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                okay so I give some skraeling my money and tell him to frick off to the liquor store

                I would rather get an Axis in any of the following: 308, 6.5, 300 winmag, 7mm. Then use more money on the scope.

                that's respectable advice but I'm not a sensible person

                >but the backface deformation would be lethal
                No it wouldn't be

                a guy wrote a greentext about how he got hit by a 7.62x54r at like 3-400 in Afghanistan and it put him down, broke ribs and had him coughing up blood.

                >single shot bolt action (lmao)
                >12 lbs bare

                I watch Mark and Sam outdoors on YT and he usually single loads his rounds. Guarantee he's a better shot than you. Also trained his wife to be his spotter, mega based. 12lb is a good weight for a 338lm.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                IOTV plates were all 3A rated in afghanistan. homosexual.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You're telling me no one ever wore a lvl4 plate in Afghanistan? also x54r would still go through 3a at 400m.

                >a guy wrote a greentext about how he got hit by a 7.62x54r at like 3-400 in Afghanistan and it put him down, broke ribs and had him coughing up blood.
                You mean to tell me, some anon made up a bullshit story on /k/?
                Nevabeendunbefo

                it's jives with other accounts of such incidents I've heard but can't specifically recall

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >a guy wrote a greentext about how he got hit by a 7.62x54r at like 3-400 in Afghanistan and it put him down, broke ribs and had him coughing up blood.
                You mean to tell me, some anon made up a bullshit story on /k/?
                Nevabeendunbefo

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The force of a 7.62x54r., hitting a rifle plate is roughly equivalent to the force of a boxer hitting your chest, bare knuckle
                The difference, is that the plate disperses that force over ~5x the area of the fist, making the pressure on any given rib 5x less than the punch.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >roughly equivalent to the force of a boxer hitting your chest, bare knuckle
                So enough to put you on the ground

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                If the force is spread iver the area of the knuckles.
                Which the force spread over a rifle plate, it's nothing.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                If the force is spread iver the area of the knuckles.
                Which the force spread over a rifle plate, it's nothing.

                it doesn't spread it over the whole plate though, more like a fist sized area

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                If the plate doesn't deform, the force isn't localized to that spot.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    338 Norma magnum is where the big boys play now OP, before getting into .416 barrett. 338 lapoouh is old and dusty.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Is that the round Barrett made because .50 BMG was banned in some places, only for .416 to wind up performing better in an almost every way?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        No, it was designed by Barrett for the military to load comically large bullets to .50 BMG magazine length.

        https://i.imgur.com/XO9yzWa.jpeg

        Norma is just Lapua with the neck set back to specialize in 300gr bullets, Lapua actually takes it in powder capacity, can shoot 300gr just fine so I don't see the point
        [...]

        Lapua has slightly more capacity but Norma is slightly more efficient. It's a situation like .30-06 vs .308 where even bubba's pissin' hot .30-06 loads still don't outperform an equivalent .308.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >bubba's pissin' hot .30-06 loads still don't outperform an equivalent .308
          A pretty standard LR load for a .308 Winchester would be 175gr-185gr bullets around 2600fps out of a 24" barrel. A .30-06 can push those bullets 150-200fps faster. There's a lot of reasons not to build a precision .30-06, but this notion that handloaded .308 and handloaded .30-06 have the same external ballistics just isn't true.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Nta but the 338s are same action length / magazine length. I haven't read into it for awhile but I think I recall hearing with high end aerodynamic heavy bullets you run into having to seat 338 lapua so deep you lose velocity / accuracy due to COAL limits in the XL actions. I've heard of competition shooters using long action 308s for similar reasons.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You can factually load 30-06 to nearly 300 winmag provided your action can handle it.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Norma is just Lapua with the neck set back to specialize in 300gr bullets, Lapua actually takes it in powder capacity, can shoot 300gr just fine so I don't see the point

      Is that the round Barrett made because .50 BMG was banned in some places, only for .416 to wind up performing better in an almost every way?

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    you could get a pretty decent bass for $1000 idk

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Like billy bass? I don't think he costs $1000

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Browning X-bolt in 300WM.

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Name a better use of $1000

    Two Savage Axis II in 308 WIN

    9x19, 38 SPL, 308 WIN, and 5.56 NATO are the most common in the box stores (apart from 12 gauge), so I built my collection around that.

    The scope is also pretty mid, but if you destroy it through use or accident, you won't cry about it after you salvage the mounting rings for another scope.

    Savage Axis rifles are low tier, but their larger capacity magazines are all custom jobs.

    I wish I went with the HOWA rifles instead, because their mags were like $20 of plastic.

    Thank you for reading my blog.

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Shit rifle
    >Shit scope
    >Chambering that will almost guarantee you either sell it in a couple years or just never shoot it.

    Almost anything else would be a better use of your money.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I'm obviously reloading for it + you can shoot 1000y with cheap scopes, if I wanna go for a mile I'll have to get one equal price as the gun.

      This. Until you've tried nicer optics and been forced to dial in field conditions you're likely not going to understand. Op needs to put a plate at 600 yards and give himself 1 bullet to hit it. When he misses, he stops for the day, he can only go back to the 100 yard range to zero check and then he tries again.
      [...]
      This. Fixed 12x up to 16x if you have to be cheap.
      [...]r2vnwx
      I love the premise of every man having something they can shoot 1000 yards with amd have a >5% chance of hitting something though.

      >This. Until you've tried nicer optics and been forced to dial in field conditions you're likely not going to understand.
      OP's choice is SO fricking cheapshit though that honestly he doesn't really lose anything by experience true shit for awhile, and if he's never really done much with hpvos before honestly it's a good learning experience and will help him appreciate the right stuff later (and pick something out he'll like). Comparing notes with friends, honestly it was good for our fundamentals to have grown up in the 80s/90s with absolute (by today's standards) garbage as kids.
      [...]
      It's possible they actually do have quality steel and that's why only 50 is banned, but yeah worth thinking about. Another alternative if you reload, there are 338 bullets designed to be less penetrating, hell there are even ultra oddball CQC bullets for whatever reason (honestly kinda curious who the heck uses them and what for), only 100gr! Of course those will have a wild different poi.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >you can shoot 1000y with cheap scopes
        But why not go with 6.5sneed or something in that case. That'll go to 1000y zero issues as well. Even if you're reloading it'll still be significantly cheaper, and you could put that money into a somewhat better gun. Why 338 specifically for that range? Like, if literally you just want to shoot something beefy in as cheap a gun as possible then sure have fun, but it's a helluva strange setup.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          the rifle's not bad, it's traditional stock and single feed but I don't mind
          338 is light anti-material and you can hunt anything with it, even dinosaurs once someone gets Jurassic park going
          I found some 40c 250gr OTMs for it on midway, I can reload it for 75c/round

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >338 is light anti-material

            light anti-material is not a thing. fricking 9mm can go through a sedan, is THAT light anti-material?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              338 will go through an armored humvee and take out the engine block inside and that's not even counting explosive rounds. it can probably take out an apache if you've got a belt fed w those.
              how is light anti-material not a thing in your mind?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Go back to PrepHole kid

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >338 is light anti-material and you can hunt anything with it, even dinosaurs once someone gets Jurassic park going
            OK so you're buying it for silly meme reasons basically? As long as you recognize that not going to rain on your parade.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            SGammo has S&B 300 grain .338 for 3.60 dollars per round. Obviously, it's not going to be the best but a decent way to gather cheaper plinking, messing around ammo for a .338 and brass for later reloads.

            It's nice that Retumbo and H1000 powders are back too but I think magnum primers are still going to be fricked for awhile still.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              I found magnum primers for $85/1000, 8.5c apiece. How cheap should they be? There's military surplus rifle powder a lot cheaper than the stuff you listed.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                #250's are ubiquitously out of stock online for major stores, "in-stock" on the plethora of scam reloading sites, sporadically on shelves in brick 'n mortar stores, or on Gunbroker for a 30% markup. You need to be pretty vigilant to even catch #34's or No. 9 1/2's nowadays.

                With magnum rounds and custom magnum caliber bolt-guns that cost thousands to build, I wouldn't touch or even consider using surplus powder. It's not being a money snob at that point but simple risk management. I rather not have my 4.5k custom .338 lapua and 1.5k Trijicon scope get fricked because I wanted to cheap out on powder. You can cheap out on bullets but not the other components, especially not the powder.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                thanks, you are actually helpful. my gun is $1000 and I think I'm safe with the surplus powder, working up loads checking for pressure signs and all that. just for target loads.

                this makes sense [...]. also probably some post hoc justification shit? people consoom a bunch of stuff cuz they wanna. but they can't just admit "got this $$$$$$ gear since it seemed cool even tho I dont shoot it much just my hobby" no they need a "good reason". so then they come up with fairytails about how totally it was a good value cuz... uh... grizzly bears driving armored cars in le shtf at one mile. and fellow folks who spent a shitload in the same boat arent gonna tell them no. so then whole communities of circle jerk develop of everyone pretending to each other.

                makes me think of reading about audiophile shit. these forums where people would claim wide eyed that their $600 3.5mm cable totally was required for "full rich soundstaging quantum accoustics" to enjoy a fricking record and someone else going no you need the $1000 platinum iridium cable to really hear it.

                you're saying I should mount my MG338 on a boat? thanks Fudd.

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >anon who only has access to 100yd ranges wants to buy a mile-long gun

    take it from someone who fell for the memes, just buy an AR-10 or a bergara b-14 in 308 and call it a day.

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Cowadooty caliber
    >Shoot a mile
    >Shoot a mile with a $250 scope
    >PLATES
    >BEARS
    >15lb rifle for mountain hunting
    Solid post. Impressive, very nice.

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    OP IS A moron N gay. lvl 4 plates will stop standard non AP rounds at 200 yards.

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >single shot bolt action (lmao)
    >12 lbs bare

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >hunt grizzly bear with it
    1. people hunt grizzlies with 308, and have killed them with 223, 9mm, 380, 22 long
    2. No guide is letting you hunt with a single shot rifle
    3. You wouldn't make it a mile in the brush with that 26" barrel, 15lb rifle.
    Also it won't go through armored vehicles at any range, nor will you be able to shoot a mile(the rifle is capable, but you aren't)

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >the rifle is capable, but you aren't
      already said there is a phone app for that grandpa I know I'll hit first try at 1000 with that challenge is doing it manual lol.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Weak bait

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    $1000? So you bought a single 20 round box of .338?

  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >this post
    >this thought process
    oh wow, you've never even held a gun in real life, have you?

  28. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    this thread is dead, everyone migrate to a /prg/ or some other thread. See you all later.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >everyone migrate to a /prg/
      hasn't been one in awhile :(. promised in brg I'd make one if no one else had once my new barrel and hopefully optic came but still not yet. pray each and every day today will be the day I get a shipping notice.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I've tried to keep /prg/ alive for a couple weeks at a time, but because there aren't any tripgays who want to keep it around for beef's sake or shitposting containment, it doesn't have legs. It's fun to compare setups and talk ballistics but it always falls apart because it's not as inherently goofy as /arg/. Plus people who shoot LR as a hobby are typically much more interesting and handsome, so they're out getting laid :^)

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          /prg/ Has three hard entry requirements that immediately sieves out a good majority of anons:

          >Actual knowledge of precision shooting and the willingness to learn
          >Access to land that accommodates and allows long range shooting (400+ yards for decent DOPE)
          >Ability to purchase or acquire a decent bolt-gun setup
          >Bonus: actual results from setups instead of "my ar/ak has this furniture that only marginally increases my ability to shoot with it and therefore I'm better" horseshit

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I just bought n565/156 eol's...going in sak brass with 210m' waiting to go. My 6.5prc is my main rifle, love that round so much

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            to land that accommodates and allows long range shooting (400+ yards for decent DOPE)
            Per this thread, honestly I'd be fine waving this and calling it precision shooting even at 200yd so long as it's cold bore, and out in the environment. If you can do 1moa 200yd down from the side of a forested hill on a breezy day fast, no walking in, that's still decent work. Though kinda just desperate to get some of our old threads going again. Maybe summer will also help, more people might get PrepHole then in the winter/spring. But I think it'd be fairly legit, albeit different granted, to try to get people to go add challenge other ways if it lets them more easily find land.
            >Bonus: actual results from setups
            This is really the most important thing. If someone posts serious groups at short range it's better then theorycrafting furniture gizmo shit. Yeah sub-400 eliminates a lot of the variables and magic but man I dunno.

  29. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I would rather get an Axis in any of the following: 308, 6.5, 300 winmag, 7mm. Then use more money on the scope.

  30. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    lol op's wildest fantasy is having one thousand dollars to buy a cheap rifle and an even cheaper scope, but thinks hes somehow going to afford $5-10 per round ammo, and is ARGUING about it

    absolutely hysterical

  31. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    > Name a better use of $1000
    40 visits to your mother

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >he's paying an entire $25 to fugg op's mother
      Dude you need to keep an eye out for sales. A buddy got her for $10, she was offering a special celebration discount for her 10000th customer.

  32. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You are right. I'd prefer a good used old Japanese tasco glass 10-40 though before they went to chink crap, or even a fixed 10x with jap glass. If you have to have an alternative I'd say a 22 LR bolt action with a long still no 5 silencer, subsonic ammunition and a thermal scope. with a digital reticule zerod at 50M intervals up to 250M as well as a inclination, temperature and ballistics calc

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      are those tasco scopes good to put on a 338 or are they only for rimfires?

      Complaining about Chinese glass is a dated opinion. They're churning out dirt cheap ED glass there now that's at least competitive with mid-tier options like the Viper. Though I'd probably at least shoot for the $500 price point and get an Arken or something if you're going 5-25x.

      I figured the $250 ones are as good as a $1000 one from 20 years ago

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The old "spend as much on the scope as you did the rifle" adage is dead. You can find decent scopes for $250, but I don't think many are in the 5-25x format. I would probably lean more towards 4x magnification ranges, since that's a bit more established and easier for budget manufacturers to do. Generally, if you want good performance for cheap, you need to be careful about the features you pick because the cheaper the scope and the more features it has, the more corners had to be cut. For long-range shooting, my focus would be on accurate tracking, glass quality, and turrets. For hunting it would be something like glass quality, weight, and reticle (plus other considerations like making sure the exit pupil stays above 4mm).

        Consequently, I'd start by looking at scopes that you know are going to have dead nuts tracking. The SWFA and Arken are two examples. There are also more subtle considerations, like what compromises are being made to give you the features, and what are you actually using the scope for? Every oz you put on the thing is going to make it less fun to hunt with and more difficult to shoot from anything but a bench/prone, and there are some good options to compromise on the two if you have a mixed use intended for the gun. For instance, the Arken LH series 4-16x44, which is still right around the budget you're looking at and comes in at 24 oz (vs something like 30 oz for the monstrum g3, which would be an example 5-25x at that price point).

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Arken isn’t known for having reliable turrets though

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Compared to most sub-$1k scopes it is known for having reliable turrets, hence why it makes it onto virtually every budget long range scope list. For instance:

            and a bunch of others. I'm sure some will be accused of being shills, but it generally does well from what I've seen.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >well it’s good for how cheap it is at least
              That’s not dead nuts reliable tracking then.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Do you actually have a sense for the typical amount of tracking error on premium scopes, or are you just being moronic? No scope tracks with 0.00% error, and <1% error is inconsequential at < 1,000 yards.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              O-lights have great YouTube reviews also

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Night force optics have great YouTube reviews too

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                And there’s people that shill their lower end lines as JuSt As G0oD when they aren’t and it always goes back to, well it’s good for the price!

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I'm not arguing that an Arken is as good as a $2000 scope; I just wanted to provide examples of things that can be had for ~$250 that are better than what OP likely picked and would work fine for his application. If you asked for sub-$750, Arken wouldn't be on the list. However, they do rock the sub-$300 price point.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah if you have to go hyper cheap there's a place for that. I think <$250 is still below the point where you start to get a significant falloff, that's REALLY cheap. But <$400-500? Yeah you can get surprisingly awesome stuff in that category and I'm glad I got some.
                >t. has a $4000+ scope on order
                Like with red dots, chink glass has improved significantly and western manufacturers could use the kick in the ass.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Get the holdover reticle and don't use the turrets.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Ahh yes, a cope.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                lol this is the same mindset as the guys who rave about how good vortex is because when it shits the bed the warranty covers it.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          good post. lol lotta solid effort from /prg/ crowd even if this is a shitty bait thread

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >are those tasco scopes good to put on a 338 or are they only for rimfires?
        I had one on a 270 and it was fine

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