>"My frickin gun jammed!"
-quote from Glock user
https://yewtu.be/watch?v=1ZMICi--Mk4&t=530
It happened again. Are these things even safe to use? Every time a new police shooting video drops I play "spot the Glock malfunction" and it always ends up happening. Sad.
Two world wahs
Probably over torqued the light
That's cope.
NTA, but that's a real thing.
If your gun is so finicky and fragile that mounting a light to it makes it not function, that's a piece of shit you shouldn't defend your life with. Plenty of polymer frame guns can handle lights being mounted or being shot while the shooter is moving (that actually what caused it here, he had to shoot while still in the motion of drawing). Even if you falsely claim that all polymer frame guns suffer from glocklight jams, that just means you should be using a metal gun. There really is no excuse for police officers' guns to be jamming this often.
Could have been his mag. All kinds of aftermarket stuff on there.
It's very clearly caused by the motion when he fires his first shot. He fired while moving and it caused a jam. This is what many Glockjam videos have in common, the officer has to fire while moving, still slowing himself down from running, while moving to cover, or while falling after being struck/pushed. That's not the only thing that causes these malfs though, sometimes they just happen when he's perfectly still and has a strong grip. I'm writing this gun off as a piece of shit. There's too much objective evidence showing it. Keep your lego toy that won't work when you need it most if you want.
Can't tell you. I don't know everything that's been done to the pistol. Just making guesses.
>Plenty of polymer frame guns can handle lights being mounted
anon plastic flexes, if you torque down a light too much that means the frame is now squeezing the slide more than usual. stop being stupid or better yet, post YOUR metal gun.
If your gun depends on perfect plastic flexing harmonics to function, that's not a reliable life saving tool. You're really making me want to get rid of all my plastic guns...
Why people use clamp-on lights that work by squeezing the frame instead of the x300a specifically designed for glocks baffles me
so the 300A is better than the 300B for polymer handguns then?
Learning to use a handheld light is better all around.
There’s a reason WMLs on pistols have tapered off over the years.
They’re awkward and slow to use and you rum the risk of morons flagging people using it to search.
The amount of searching a dark area and flinching at finding something I've seen in body cams...
Limp wristing because he was scared.
Glocks suffer more from "limp wristing" malfunctions than any other handgun, this has been tested if you look up videos on limpwrist malfunction comparisons. So why is this the most popular handgun when it shits the bed in a very important area of reliability? You can see the officer is in a real life or death situation, the threat is mid-draw and he has to fire now, he had to fire while still in the motion of the draw and it caused a malfunction. If he were alone he'd be dead. That's what carrying a Glock will get you. You literally can't shoot it while moving, you have to have a Perfection™ grip and remain completely still.
It wasn't a factory pistol.
implying it makes any difference. go watch more vids of cop shootings, a strikingly large number have glock malfs.
Do you think the beretta 92fs is better?
The “big 3” (SIG P226, Beretta 92, CZ 75) metal frame pistols never seem to have this problem.
For me, it's the 92fs. I have Glocks tho too for edc. I keep the glocks factory and gen 3. 92fs is ridiculously heavy for an edc 9mm these days but is a certified battle sidearm.
The problem is, Glock fricked with their perfection at user request. The original G17 hump in the grip forced the shooter to lock their wrist forward to level the sights. The smaller frame pistols like the 19 and 23 have a significantly less pronounced hump, the Gen 4s and 5s have further reduced the grip to support backstraps, and the popularity of red dots means the pistol is held lower resulting in even less wrist lock.
anon you can fire glocks with a completely limp wrist and they still cycle
false, I have a Gen 2 17, Gen 3 30SF, and Gen 4 19 and have tested limp wrist failures on all of them. All factory stock with the exception of the 19 having an RMR cut.
Hundreds of videos on youtube of guys purposely inducing limp wrist malfunctions disagree.
Note how well the other ones do while both Glocks do the worst.
>that one goy who still watches MAC
pfffftttt hahahaha
Wait I own a Glock!
WTF throwing it away and buying the pistol the OP says is the best
OP what is that pistol? I need to know!
P320 with a Romeo m17 and foxtrot2 light
SW MP 2.0 with a x300 and acro
Glocks jam and explode when they don't.
SIG P320s randomly discharge if shaken the wrong way.
P320
Find one with the fat trigger.
CZ rami
P99, Sfp9.
Metal frame
HK Mk23
>cop
>never maintains their weapon
>never trains with it
>has an expensive sight on an MOS model
>still misses
Expected to be fair
What the frick is this gay link? Just link police activity you autistic moron.
I'm not giving israelitetube ad money. Also gays complain if its a youtube link because they have to log in and be tracked by the ATF.
Adblocker and burner account you schizoid.
Another man murdered because the police can't do anything but escalate to deadly forces. This cannot keep happening to my country
>Glocks are the most reliable handgun!
>If you don't limpwrist it
>If you use ONLY Glock brand Glock parts
>If you don't mount a light to it
>If you stand still while shooting it
>If you use the right ammo
>If it's not a Tuesday
As long as you get all that right, you should be good usually.
You forgot
>if you don't mount an optic to the optic mount slide
Also why do they even have light rails if you can't reliably mount a light to them?
I’ve seen so many bodycam videos in which autoloaders malf that I genuinely think revolvergays may have a point, at least for civilian carry. I think maybe the capacity disadvantage is outweighed by the fact that civilian shootings usually don’t involve 6+ spent rounds, and that autoloaders can be finicky in two-way range scenarios.
It doesn't look like a limp wrist, see
it looks like his thumb got in the way. It's actually on the third shot that it jams though if you follow that conversation over there. It could also be a non-OEM baseplate which you can see his isn't flush.
Trip on Burt
>cops shoot guy because he owns a gun
back the blue, am I rite redditors?
Cops shot him because he pulled a gun and tried to shoot them. It’s out of his holster and on the floor after the shooting
I have fired thousands of rounds through a gen 5 glock and never had a failure of any kind
I don't trust glocks. LAPD recently tested 10,000 rounds of filthy synthetic ammo through multiple guns for their own new duty gun, and they selected the FN509 since it didn't have a failure. Works for me, so I have a 509T. I want my pistol to be absolutely unfailing, but if I wanted my favorite gun to hold/shoot I'd use my sig. I just run on the basis that I never, ever want the pistol to fail.
Which guns did they include in testing? Just the 509?
The LAPD spokesperson said he couldn't say. Here's the article for you.
https://www.police1.com/police-products/firearms/articles/inside-look-why-the-lapd-chose-the-fn-509-mrd-le-as-its-new-duty-weapon-p0U1x0A7c0gNUs1V/
I know someone is going to hurr durr California this one, but honestly the LAPD is holding the shitty end of the stick over there so I believe when they make a decision they're doing it for duty persons not something dumb.
>SOCOM/SEALs/CIA SAD/MARSOC/CBP/Coast Guard/Army Rangers/FBI/DEA/SAS all adopted the Glock 17/19
>"th-they're all moronic, don't they know Glocks suck??"
>LAPD adopts the 509
>"LAPD are so wise to adopt that gun, they definitely have more skin in the game than other agencies!!"
lmao
also, cops are fricking stupid, in case you haven't noticed
yeah man. I know it's the knee jerk reaction to worship camo boys and boo the cops, but I'll trust the people that predominately rely on sidearms more. I know CIADEVGRUFBIGGNORE is cool, and LAPD probably has some porkers rolling around, but they're choosing a pistol the same way a military would evaluate a rifle, that is as a primary arm.
I understand your opinions differ from mine with glocks, that's fine. But don't come here and tell me all these guys are using glocks in your list when that isn't even true.
>I know it's the knee jerk reaction to worship camo boys and boo the cops
NTA but how willfully ignorant do you have to be to not see how laughably undertrained and uninformed the average policeman is in the year of our Lord 2023? What percentage do you think understand what recoil spring weight is and what it entails? How the slide weight functions in regards to the action cycle?
>how laughably undertrained and uninformed the average policeman is
nta, but yea, exactly
now, which do you think most closely approximates the typical gun owner?
an under-trained policeman, or a professional soldier?
seems to me, going with what's best for under-trained policemen is a wise choice for the average joe.
this is a better way of stating what I meant than what I typed. Good post.
Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater because it involves the police. I'll pay attention to what police do for pistols because it's their primary arm, same way (another controversial take) you should pay attention to what 3rd world armies do for training and tactics, not because you should mimic their every breath and action, but because if you need to use anything you aren't a single gear in a multi trillion dollar war machine, you're one dude. Widen your gaze, look at what everyone is doing. Don't acronym chase.
If you want to pay attention to what police choose for a sidearm, how do you reconcile that with the fact that Glocks are issued to 70% of LEO agencies across the country? Your hypocrisy is painfully evident.
>I trust the cops’ opinion
>no, not those cops, just these specific ones!
>I trust the cops’ opinion
>no, not those cops, just these specific ones!
yes, that is exactly what I am saying
Literally all of those agencies I listed are issued Glocks.
P.S.: if you think municipal police departments test handguns with the same rigor that military agencies do, you're a fricking moron.
P.P.S.: the largest municipal police department in the country, the NYPD, also issues Glocks
> but they're choosing a pistol the same way a military would evaluate a rifle, that is as a primary arm.
That statement is probably worse than you realize when you start to udnerstand military procurement.
Anyways, selection of pistols is rarely rigorous at all. R Lee Ermey, God rest his soul, converted half the PDs in CA by just showing up with a box of keychains and t shirts to hand out throughout the 00’s and undercutting S&W and SIG.
Departments rarely do their own testing, they follow spec/advertisements.
I wish I was exaggerating.
Good call. I have to trust someone's tests at a certain level though, and the 509 test by LAPD did influence me alot. I have the 509T and a P320 and I love both. I'm a bit more accurate and faster with the P320, I'm not what it is but sig pistols feel great in my hand. the p365 xmacro is awesome too.
*I don't know what it is
The Milwaukee PD stopped issuing the P320 because officers kept shooting themselves with it. What now, cop-worshiper?
509s seem kinda cool. I think I might try the new RDO ready models, I love compacts.
>sling shot slide
>auto release slide
>death grip
>stripping mags
>light malfs
>pig nose frame
Damn, it’s been a while since I remember this fudd/boomer level cop glawk shit.
Sometimes it’s the gun and the shooter, you know? Like, both of them suck. Together.
We don't slingshot, overhand rack is taught because it's better for clearing malfs. I didn't say any of that other shit. If an armorer who has seen thousands of issued Glocks come through his academy tells you that 1 in 5 Glocks doesn't worth with a light, and says the issue persists with gen 5 and Glock has never responded to any emails or letters he's sent regarding the issue, then 1 in 5 Glocks has issues with a light. He's seen thousands of Glocks perform, you aren't in a position to say that. These guys have a legitimate expert opinion. Why don't you email around a PD and see if you can get in touch with an armorer or instructor if you don't believe my anecdote. None of the instructors really liked their guns, they dont have this fanboy attachment that many of you do like your brand is like a precious sports team. Their feelings on it are more like "well, it works most the time."
As someone who regularly interacted with base armorers for half a decade I find the notion that a fricking PD armorer is some infallible pillar of weapon knowledge fricking hilarious
>won’t shoot with a light, huh?
>shrugs
>in the bin with the other it goes, not the first
>try another
I think the dude itt is a bit of a motard who went on a ride along.
>If an armorer who has seen thousands of issued Glocks come through his academy tells you that 1 in 5 Glocks doesn't worth with a light
Psssst. The problem is the light and how it's being mounted. Not the Glock.
They messed with the torquing to no avail.
That's Mesa PD, they have their own academy where they train buttholes. Mesa has a high population of Mormons, they don't like to integrate with surrounding areas at all so they made their own academy.
>They messed with the torquing to no avail.
I'm sure they did.
Did you see them adjust the torque and test the pistols, or did they just tell you they did after you asked them that? Nothing on the face of this earth moves as fast to cover its own ass than an armorer when there's a weapon wienerup that cannot be blames on the user. Ask how I know.
>Okay dude, we've had five '203 trigger guard roll pins flop out and make the guards fall off in the ether over the course of this one field op alone, what gives?
>Oh, uhhhhh, probably a defect, we could contact KAC.
>You totally didn't use the wrong-sized roll pin, right? Because we're the only unit with this fricking issue and you're the guy who handles our shit.
>Not me, got no fricking clue.
Guess what sized pins he had in an old ash tray on his bench. They weren't the right ones.
Question: Why does Phoenix have the highest OIS incidents in the country over the past 10 years? Crackhead? Homeless people?
AZ hands out no-knock warrants like candy for drug offenses so there is less of a chance of evidence being destroyed. It turns out that surprising people in their homes leads to them responding poorly.
who would have thought everyone reaches for their gun when their door is kicked in all of a sudden? Every cop that dies in a no knock raid deserved it for carrying out such a fricking stupid practice.
See
for an accurate representation. AZ PDs recruit and are almost entirely staffed by a bunch of morons with sleeve tattoos who never made it through MEPS or ended up as security forces.
They issue warrants for every little thing and most of the PDs have gang mentality or view themselves as the punisher.
Metro PD in Vegas is only slightly worse in that a huge chunk of the cops are actually involved in local crime rings reselling merchandise and molesting the tourists.
Homeless people are crackheads, not many exceptions especially in Phoenix where being homeless means living outside in literal hell. There are a shit ton of tweakers, not quite LA scale but you see them regularly. Everyone carries, lots of guns lying around houses or cars that they break into. There was a massive home break-in problem. I've never seen an occupied home invasion that wasn't a drug rip. The normal working class people, they'd break into their homes while they were at work. All over the city, bo neighborhood was safe. We couldn't stop it because by the time we got done with one burglary investigation, another call for one came out. There was no time to patrol areas or jam up groups of chuds we knew had warrants. Officers were lazy as shit too and would ignore warrants. We had this thing called NET squad, neighborhood enforcement team, whose sole job it was to patrol in plainclothes and unmarked vehicles to find chuds breaking into shit. I recall them spotting one crime the whole year I was there. They were deadbeats, they'd get to that position and use it as an excuse to do nothing. Super trashy and rude culture throughout all walks of the population on Phoenix. Basically it's a shithole, and it's not just the tweakers who find guns. There's hardcore cartel activity. You got an easy place to buy guns through straw purchase or buy stolen guns right next to the border, where cops basically ignore small crimes? Oh yeah, they're not just passing through they're setting up shop. The worst place was Maryvale which looked like a damn third world country. People living in literally shacks, somehow the owned a plot of land but built an extra house out of pallets with plywood doors that they let their relative from Mexico stay in, and he's an absolute felonious shitbag to the highest degree cooking meth in there and using the funds to buy stolen guns to traffick back to Mexico. These guys don't go down without a fight, they worship a death god.
Most PDs are shit because they're basically a security company for a small town. Big city PDs are more like a military. A legitimate paramilitary organization because with the sheer amount of shoot-outs they get into it's like they're policing a war zone. I worked for Phoenix PD, not the biggest city but a big enough one. I assure you there's like 5 guys who's job it is to sit around and test our guns. They're called armorers and instructors, they typically fill both roles. They do more with guns and shoot them more than 10 of you armchair SF guys ever will in your life. They go to trainings around the country with fed boys and prestigious gun training schools. They sit around with guns all day and decide they want to see what caliber can make it through thr A pillar of a vehicle, so they go to the range with a decommissioned vehicle and test that (protip: no handgun round, minimum of 5.56 rifle round). They share all this knowledge with us 3x a year when we do our training and qualifications. Sure the state may only require 1 qualification a year but that's no good for a big city dept, maybe it's ok for a small town security force. Most cops know more shit than you and will perform better than you in a gunfight, that's why they win some 98% of them. Your overconfidence kills you.
>I worked for Phoenix PD
Did they fire you for being an insufferable homosexual at work, too?
> They sit around with guns all day and decide they want to see what caliber can make it through thr A pillar of a vehicle, so they go to the range with a decommissioned vehicle and test that
congrats you just paid some morons yearly salary just to discover what bubba learns every time he goes shooting at the dump
>I worked for Phoenix PD
Jesus no wonder you think you can do no wrong and that nothing is every your fault, I wish the cartel would just merc all of your asses you wannabe-spec ops losers.
>SOCOM/SEALs/CIA SAD/MARSOC/CBP/Coast Guard/Army Rangers/FBI/DEA/SAS all adopted the Glock 17/19
SOCOM bought a bunch of glocks mid/late gwot because they were tired of all the individual units trying to be special snowflakes with the mk25, meu 1911s, hk45s, etc. Pistols became more of a unit flex/identifier than anything else.
Ironically the two models SOCOM adopted were the G22 fullsize in 40 and the 19 in 9mm, which I still don’t understand why they didn't just choose one caliber, idk.
>military starts at 20k a year, questionable benefits
>LAPD starts at 90k a year, excellent benefits
Tell me who's stupider.
you bought a handgun purely because you read a LAPD test report?
That's why a distinction has to be made between what could be called sheer reliability and 'practical' reliability. The gun community in general doesn't make the difference, handguns that can fire 15k ammo without cleaning and perform marginally better than other when facing mud etc are presented as 'the best'. Most malfunctions with modern guns under stress conditions are user-related. Metal framed handguns are less susceptible to limp-wristing, making them more reliable in practice during SD situations. Price per unit as well as weight counterbalance the equation for police forces. But it doesn't mean it should for everyone.
The sad thing is that's exactly what they're considering above reliability, and now I know why literally over half the time I handled a gun in academy, I was doing failure drills... They fricking know our guns are cheap pieces of shit and that we're going to have failures with them, instead of giving us better equipment they just teach us to deal with he failures.
>hey fricking know our guns are cheap pieces of shit and that we're going to have failures with them, instead of giving us better equipment they just teach us to deal with he failures.
Anon, that's a you issue, not a gun issue.
All the agencies in my area used Glocks, the academy firearms training was built around Glocks. There were nuances I noticed that were specific Glock training things.
>never allowed to use the slide release, they called it a slide stop only
>cautioned us to be careful during belt/boot racking drills because "the sights tend to break off"
>"smash your mags in that magwell, is your mag seated? check it again, we dont want another mag falling out on the line!" (Glock mags fit very tight and don't always seat reliably when fully loaded)
>"squeeze it as tight as you fricking can"
>"like 1 in 5 Glocks just don't work with lights, if that's yours and you want a light, get with your agency to swap it, we can't fix it"
>intense focus on failure drills, as I said over half the time I held a gun we were running failure drills, as if they knew it wasn't a matter of if we'll have a malfunction, but when.
Everything about the gun just screamed cheap hunk of shit. I don't use one as my personal weapon, I also don't drive a pos Crown Vic. Just because we use something doesn't mean it's good.
well you're mistaking dumbfrick practices
>never allowed to use slide release
>not knowing how to mount a fricking light
and practices you should be doing with any duty gun
>firm mag insrtion on a closed slide
>tightly grip weapon
>lots of failure drills
as Glock-specific practices, so I don't think you're all that savvy tbh. but you're a cop, so that checks out.
About the only valid thing here that's "Glock specific" is the sights, the factory ones are objectively garbage and anyone with a lick of sense swaps those for metal ones, or should swap them. Really, anyone should, and if I could I'd male Gaston a bag of dog shit every day with a note that they be made standard, the old eurotard.
Everything else is just shit you learn with any gun you're going to rely on or outright moronic.
> instead of giving us better equipment they just teach us to deal with he failures.
No amount of equipment is going to compensate for subpar training and subpar user performance. Don't focus on trying to gay up your kit, focusing on being better
Glock is the poor mans MP2.0
Is the 509T battle proven?
Well it's being dropped in the battlefield of Los Africangeles so we'll see.
If you're still looking at gun performance in the hands of cops, Glock or otherwise, as a valid metric then you're probably not old enough to drink,
They get in actual gunfights though. You can't simulate that with your 3 gun drills. There's actually another person trying to kill them. They're moving, falling, in entangled fights when these malfunctions happen. I'm going to say it's an absolutely valid metric, the most valid in fact. What would be a more valid method than actual use in actual gunfights?
Why is the second camera cop running around into the line of fire of the other cops?
he’s a cop
I Roger Smith from Alabama Oblast have been demoralized, I'm unironically buying an XD 3" now.
To be expected.
Glock's aren't neglect-proof.
You need to maintain the weapon well, and ensure the parts are all in working order.
If you do all that homework, the weapon is very reliable.
Police are notorious for being meatheads who fail to properly maintain and train with their weapons.
>the only demographic that consistently has issues with Glawk reliability are fat burger pigs
>no one in here seems to find that odd
Lel
really gets the noggin joggin
>gun carried by majority of police departments also accounts for majority of stoppages
THEM COPS SHOULD USE THE GOOD OLE COLT SINGLE ACTION ARMY, I’VE NEVER SEEN BODYCAM FOOTAGE OF ONE OF THOSE FAILING OUR BRAVE BOYS IN BLUE
Heeheheh! A man after my heart! However, I feel like a good ole Colt 1911 would best for the youngins used to autoloaders!@
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M16? More like MATTEL TRASH
M14? Now that's a MAN'S RIFLE
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Hear me out, but police should be given revolvers again.
>mount all the crap you want to it, it'll take it
>physically cannot limpwrist it
>heavy ass DA trigger is extremely hard to pull on accident
>magdumping into a crowd with bystander backstops is a lot less effective with only 6 shots
the amount of cop dickriding in here is...interesting.
In the heat of the moment, I think they limp-wristed it. Still, had they used what I USE, then they would have ended the fight in one shot.
the first shot was mostly unsupported but shots 2 and 3 he had a firm grip. It looks like his fricking thumb stopped the slide.
he wasn't still firing though. The ceasefire was called as he was loading a new mag into his gun. Even while ceasefire was being called and the guy calling ceasefire was grabbing his arm, he racked the pistol and then started firing again. He's an absolute moron who probably was upset he got left out of his chance to mag dump a kid.
Since I never see these failures with DA/SA pistols, would I be better off using one of them instead?
My department issues glock 17's as the standard sidearm, but we can use anything so long as its 9mm, .40 or .45
Some guys use sigs, and at least one uses a beretta
If you are asking that question, you probably don't really have enough experience with firearms. Just use the Glock 17.
P226 is the finest 9mm created.
>"Ceasefire!" called at 9:02
>moron in POV still firing at 9:04
Are these guys so stupid that it takes a two second delay for them to register commands?
Most people fail to realize that your average cop doesnt do proper maintenance. Any gun will frick up if it isnt properly cared for and lubed. Ill bet the average gun a cop carries gets a tear down and lube once a month if its lucky and the mandatory inspection period of once every 6 months or a year is more likely. That shit isnt going to fly when its exposed to the elements and has dust and dirt thrown at it all day. It doesnt matter how clean you are as a person shit WILL get in it and gunk shit up if you carry.
Glocks require next to nothing in the way of maintenance. These officers are not shooting enough rounds through the guns that they'd be expected to do anything to keep them running.
Fun thing is the same shit was said about the M16 when it first was issued and people didnt fricking lube it so they performed poorly. That along with the issue with the ammo made the early adopters hate it.
ALL guns need maintenance.
> I don't need a registration
> If you want my identification, it will be under duress, and you accept surety and trusteeship over it, and you will accept responsibility for any debts you are trying to incur here
> Utah code is a corporate policy, which you have to be contracted into following it
> I am not giving you jurisdiction
> You are not allowed to stop me
SovCits are a fricking cult, and annoying as shit to boot. If you thought police were nothing but highwaymen, why the frick would reciting fanfiction legal interpretation about the US code like it's a magic spell do a single damn thing to keep them from robbing you?
Even as much as the guy was fricking annoying, shooting someone over a God damn registration wasn't worth it for anyone involved. If they had it to over again, I bet they wish they'd just written him a ticket that he was never going to pay, went on their way day, and let someone else arrest him when he inevitably gets the shit beaten out of him for trying to detain a garbage man for tresspassing.
>Even as much as the guy was fricking annoying, shooting someone over a God damn registration wasn't worth it for anyone involved.
Na it removed a delusional conspiracy theorist from the genepool so thats a win.
Oh look. This thread again
kid got smoked
exactly, these homosexuals got to go
Glocks are EXTREMELY sensitive to limp-wristing to the point where it barely even qualifies as such and they'll still jam. I had my carry gun jam when getting charged because it was raining, dark, didn't have an optimal purchase on the gun, and even though in retrospect it barely counted as a limp wrist it still jammed. There's plenty of guns you can partly limp wrist just fine, most HKs, Berettas, etc rarely have problems. Even other polymer handguns like P320s and M&Ps don't limp wrist as much.
You don't really think about these things when training on a flat range even if you do move or are on a shot timer until you're in supremely shitty life-or-death situations. I've moved onto an HK USP 45 shooting .45 Supers for my carry/moose/bear/etc gun and even when replicating the situation I was in I never have a limp wrist jam even if I let my wrist go fully limp.
Do you run the USP stock? How many rounds of 45 super have you shot through it?
>had my carry gun jam when getting charged
Who or what was charging you?
Moose, sorry forgot to type it for some reason
Just a tactical spring assy.