multicam isnt that good

why is multicam so shilled?
i think its a good camo for semiarid environments but for green areas and woods its not that good, it stands out a bit, theres alot of better camos for those envs, but theyre hard to come by bc almost all manufacturers only do mc.

btw if youre interested drifire makes cool shirts in classic woodland, navy aor, and marpat
and uf pro if you get them before they go out of stock has concamo,slocam, vegetato and flecktarn

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    also why doesnt drifire sell normally but makes you fill out a form where you basically have to be in the us armered forces to buy?

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Good YouTube channel episode on the selection of what became OCP.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >unique national patterns that work in their country
      Australia changed from AUSCAM to AMCU, specifically because it realised AMCU was better suited to where Australia would operate: South East Asia and northern Australia.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's a good standard-setting camo pattern. Everything should at least be as good as multicam and should be compatible with multicam. Once the patent expires, multicam should be the default camo pattern, with more regionally specific patterns (colors really) as an option.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's ubiquitous at this point. The Glock 17 or AR-15 of camouflaged kit. If you want something good to wear, it's either in Ranger Green or Multicam. I fucking think it's ugly as piss, but I wear the shit because it's just on everything worth owning.

      check out uf pro and drifire as i said, theyre the only ones making quality gear in other camos that i found, also theres UR tactical but im unsure about them

      https://i.imgur.com/Ns9eMRX.jpg

      Good YouTube channel episode on the selection of what became OCP.

      lol

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        as this anon said

        [...]

        but I have a full loadout in atacs IX. it's decent quality and lasts.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          so are they good or not?
          how do they compare to crye clothes

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I have:
            The advanced fast response pants
            gen3 improved direct action shirt
            integrated tactical plate carrier
            several magazine pouches, a couple of their utility pouches.
            all in atacs IX
            The gear i have has a low IR footprint, it's decent quality that has lasted me 3 years of use.
            the pants and shirt aren't the most comfortable, compared to other brands like crye, but that may be different based on your body dimensions. The plate carrier is pretty comfy when you adjust it right.
            overall i'd rate it 7/10. it's affordable and serviceable.
            Better quality than most brands, not as good as the top brands, but priced reasonably for what you're getting.
            The main draw to their equipment should be for their decent quality gear in a wide range of patterns that are hard to obtain elsewhere in the same level of quality.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Are those pants the ones with kneepads? I want ATACs IX stuff

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They are.
                Though, i'd like to try the gen 2 ultimate direct action pants. They also have knee pads.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              why are they less comfy than top tier stuff?
              whats the difference?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                top tier stuff fits better and has things like boot lace clips, inner linings, adjustable straps and pull cords.
                In the case of the shirts, top tier stuff has better fitting elbow pads as well as padding to stop them from chaffing, built in watch face covers on the wrists, built in half glove that fits over the thumb.
                Basically, you're getting bare bones gear that works and lasts for a reasonable price if you buy from ur-tactical.
                I've never bought from crye (i think their kit is overpriced for what you're getting) but If you buy UF-pro, you're going to pay a premium price for premium, high quality equipment that fits better, has more utility, has more modularity, has better padding, is comfier and fits better. But you're paying double or even triple the price.
                compare these two:
                >https://www.ur-tactical.com/product/advanced-fast-response-pants/

                >https://ufpro.com/gb/pants/tactical-pants/p-40-classic-gen-2-tactical-pants

                They are the cheapest options both offer. UR tactical is $85. UF-pro is $161. before shipping.

                If you can afford gucci stuff, go for it. If not, you could do a lot worse than UR-tactical.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                im undecided between uf pro and drifire, i really like uf pro stryker xt pants, but also like drifire bc they offer crye g3 in woodland or marpat which i care about, uf pro has some cool camos like concamo but theyre almost out of stock so by the time i get to nuy from them idk if theyll still be around

                for the time being i have some algi vegetata ripstop pants and bdu shirt, theyre super basic but theyre tough and work, a bit hot and no elasticity whatsoever so when i raise my knees its always annoying bc they get constricted and i have to pull the pants a bit up

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >theyre super basic but theyre tough and work, a bit hot and no elasticity whatsoever so when i raise my knees its always annoying bc they get constricted and i have to pull the pants a bit up
                same with my ur-tactical pants. Maybe not as bad. But definitely not as good as uf-pro stuff.
                I've got no experience with drifire. The only crye pants i'd consider buying are the tiger stripe gen 3s. i know they aren't perfect 'nam tiger, but idc, they still look cool.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                you mean used right? bc crye only makes multicam and od green and some other solid color

                also my pants are way more basic than ur tactical see pic related

                https://www.amazon.it/gp/product/B013QRY3NI/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o07_s00?ie=UTF8&th=1&psc=1

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Wasn't aware they were a limited run.
                Oh well.
                Those pants NIR? if not, i'd say you need to upgrade.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Idk, but if you're not nir what happens?
                Do you necessarily glow or something else can happen?

                Or is it about the pattern showing undernnight vision or not?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                if your gear isn't NIR compliant it'll stick out when IR hits it. like if something has a visible pattern under normal light, and you hit it with NIR, and it turns into a giant monochrome mess with no camo value, that's something that's not NIR compliant

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Ok but still if you dont glow bit are opaque like the rest of the environment you're in it's not that bad

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              Wait what brand is this

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                ur tactical.

                Idk, but if you're not nir what happens?
                Do you necessarily glow or something else can happen?

                Or is it about the pattern showing undernnight vision or not?

                Ok but still if you dont glow bit are opaque like the rest of the environment you're in it's not that bad

                you ever see a high vis vest shine when you point a flash light or a set of headlights at it?
                That's what non NIR clothing looks like when looked at through night vision.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Ok but is literally al clothing like this?
                Cant it just be normal ?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >Ok but is literally al clothing like this?
                yes. Clothing needs to be treated in order to produce a low IR signature.
                If you have tactical clothing that is NIR, you can easily fuck it up by washing it with normal detergent.
                You need special non-whitening detergent that is also free of artificial brighteners and harsh chemicals. The military use mil-approved detergents that are approved for NIR equipment.
                There are several commercial detergents that guys use as well but they are all region specific.

                It's frustrating because I really like ATACS, especially AU

                preach it, brother. I've been running kit in atacs since before the russians adopted their cloned versions. It frustrates me that if I throw any of my old atacs fg stuff on... well, I may be off the wrong impression.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                What if i wash them with water only

                Also I've seen videos of not testing and its.not true that all clothes glow, there were even non milspec stuff like Chinese shit or softair that didnt glow, they just didnt show their pattern

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >What if i wash them with water only
                hand washing a solid way of cleaning your mil clothing, sure. Just make sure you use soap that is free of chemicals.
                >Also I've seen videos of not testing and its.not true that all clothes glow
                It's a crapshoot whether shirt a or shirt b even off the same rack in a clothing store will glow under IR.
                There's no reliable way of telling if regular civvy clothing will glow short of scanning every rack with a pair of nods, and looking like a massive cunt while doing it.
                Besides, after a few days of wear, they'll get thrown into the washing machine. Another crap shoot whether or not your detergent is IR safe or not.
                Basically, it's a massive headache to worry about civvy clothing. Just assume none of them are fit for night ops unless proven otherwise by yourself under nods immediately before you decide to go running around your mom's back yard in the middle of the night.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                It'd probably be safe to wash them with vinegar. It'll disinfect it and I don't think would ruin the IR capabilities, although it certainly will leave a smell.
                t. wash my HEMA gear with water and vinegar

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's ubiquitous at this point. The Glock 17 or AR-15 of camouflaged kit. If you want something good to wear, it's either in Ranger Green or Multicam. I fucking think it's ugly as piss, but I wear the shit because it's just on everything worth owning.

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the same reason jeeps and AR15s are shilled

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Multicam and the AR15 are actually good, though.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Bro, there is WAY better camo out there.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      this guy literally pops out, wouldn't happen with multicam

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Check out this one

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Very well done. Some of the newest stuff for sand env is also pretty impressive but obviously still has some flaws.

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    RealTree is the best camo. You aren’t in the army sonny, no need for army clothes.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The gear that comes in realtree generally sucks. The patterns can be okayish.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If you're wearing that shit I'm probably going to shoot you. Maybe not because I want to, but because ZOGbots wear that. Not a good idea.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nice larp gay

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        he's not wrong, gay.
        If any resistance is to happen, the defecting military personel need to realise, wearing their uniform or country's camo pattern, is going to make it hard to tell them apart from the glowmorons busting down our doors.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          he/him/they are its pronounes

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            They/were will be yours, gay.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          This is the best take on multicam and it's variants.
          It will always be outperformed by other camouflage patterns in their specific environments.
          but as a general purpose, all round pattern that saves large military organisations millions on not needing multiple uniforms in multiple patterns, it's unparalleled.
          That being said, it's still the pattern of zogbots and glow morons.
          Not appropriate for civilian use and highlights oneself as an idiot or a boot licker.

          If you're wearing that shit I'm probably going to shoot you. Maybe not because I want to, but because ZOGbots wear that. Not a good idea.

          Indicated Fren or Foe Guide here anons.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            That's pretty old and should be updated with phantomleaf, pencott and kryptek.
            Also atacs is a bit of a grey area now the Russians have fully adopted cloned atacs fg.
            Though, I still consider all non speaking russkies wearing atacs frens, I suspect that will change as more commie gays find out what atacs is.
            atacs x patterns are still fren patterns though.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              It's frustrating because I really like ATACS, especially AU

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Idc about your gay chart, multicam gud, you gay, fuck ya mudda

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              You're gonna get shot for dressing like a non-fren, anon.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      stfu bitch you don't even own a gun

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Well, I wouldn't call that a total fail. Honestly that color palette is a tough one to make work. A for effort.

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    hardmode

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      ATACS AU

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Be you walking through here in 15k worth of gear
      >Get dropped by Robin Hood in his old ass realtree with a bow and arrow

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I've worn multicam in Afghanistan and I've worn UCP.
    I can tell you now which I preferred.
    For my own area, with dense, bright-green foilage, Kryptek Mandrake is the best option and the one I go with but Multicam Tropic would be a decent choice as well.
    I oppose multicam on moral grounds as it is the uniform of my enemy; since wearing the enemy uniform is a crime I will not do it.

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    multicam will always have a special place in my heart because I was in the army during the switch from UCP. Oatmeal might be a little bland but imagine eating it as your first meal after years of being fed literal shit

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i wear camo in public

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >multicam isnt that good

    That's right, but german engineered Multitarn is

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I love tropentarn so much

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      are they peeing?

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Multicam was originally shilled, because a lot of the high speed operators wore it during the acu era, and larpers want to imitate them.
    In reality it pulls off the one camo fits all better than anything else that is commonly available. It's not the best anywhere, but it is good enough for about every environment, and beats having several sets of gear.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      i mean you can have your plate carrier in mc and then have a couple different uniforms

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Multicam is pretty subpar for most semi-arid environments. You're better off with Rhodesian Brushstroke.

      I think it's the best camo you can use as an expeditionary force, definitely better than UCP. You always have to think that it's supposed to be a jack of all trades but it can only be a master in few. Unless we learn how to use that light reflector-fuckery to become literally invisible, regular old camo will have to do.

      Even as a universal camouflage (which is basically an oxymoron if there ever was one), Multicam is a grossly inferior pattern. A-TACS does its job way better at offering a good level of concealment in virtually every type of arid and semi-arid terrain (open desert, urban desert, mountainous desert, etc.).

      >It's not the best anywhere, but it is good enough for about every environment, and beats having several sets of gear.

      This is retarded thinking. If your country can afford to be fighting wars in multiple hotspots in different parts of the world, it can afford to purchase multiple sets of uniforms.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >This is retarded thinking. If your country can afford to be fighting wars in multiple hotspots in different parts of the world, it can afford to purchase multiple sets of uniforms.
        This is such a retarded take. If the US can't do it no one can.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          moron, the US Army and Marines were able to rapidly and widely issue Desert Battle Dress Uniforms for the Persian Gulf War despite having spent the last 40 years equipping themselves for a war in Central Europe. Similarly, American deployments to Somalia and Afghanistan were not fraught with such problems.

          It was 100% the fault of both the US Military's leadership for half-assing preparations, and the Bush administration for letting them be that fucking lazy in the first place. Frankly, it should have been taken as a sign that the Iraq War was doomed to failure from the very start.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        > This is retarded thinking
        Then goes on to completely disregard logistics, lmao.

        Until you realize this means
        > multiple sets of CBRN gear
        > multiple plate carriers, multiple mag pouches, grenade pouches, rucksacks, e tool pouches, sustainment pouches, helmet covers, canteen covers, compass pouches, etc
        > multiple sets of different uniforms in different patterns

        https://i.imgur.com/8mZdnYm.jpg

        moron, the US Army and Marines were able to rapidly and widely issue Desert Battle Dress Uniforms for the Persian Gulf War despite having spent the last 40 years equipping themselves for a war in Central Europe. Similarly, American deployments to Somalia and Afghanistan were not fraught with such problems.

        It was 100% the fault of both the US Military's leadership for half-assing preparations, and the Bush administration for letting them be that fucking lazy in the first place. Frankly, it should have been taken as a sign that the Iraq War was doomed to failure from the very start.

        And yet they still wore M81 Woodland pouches and CBRN equipment for literally years.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Neverserved don't understand the amount of shit you're issued even in just one camo pattern, nor the fact small regions have vastly different micro climates/environments. Hell my area, some places Multi-cam arid is the best choice and I can go a few hundred yards and be somewhere M81 works the best.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          > multiple sets of CBRN gear
          > multiple plate carriers, multiple mag pouches, grenade pouches, rucksacks, e tool pouches, sustainment pouches, helmet covers, canteen covers, compass pouches, etc
          > multiple sets of different uniforms in different patterns

          Problem?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Yes, yes it is sir

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              >a war run by Tommy Franks, a degenerate drooling retard that would have trouble putting on his own shoes vs a war run by Norman Schwartzkopf and Colin Powell, literal elder god-tier logisticians

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                https://i.imgur.com/mIOpbUe.jpg

                > multiple sets of CBRN gear
                > multiple plate carriers, multiple mag pouches, grenade pouches, rucksacks, e tool pouches, sustainment pouches, helmet covers, canteen covers, compass pouches, etc
                > multiple sets of different uniforms in different patterns

                Problem?

                I wish that the color palate of chocolate chip just added some green, what could’ve been

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                You're in luck pal

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Theres Saudis Arabian chocolate chip, it's unfondable but cool

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                You are the dumbest blackist gorilla moron I've ever seen.

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I think it's the best camo you can use as an expeditionary force, definitely better than UCP. You always have to think that it's supposed to be a jack of all trades but it can only be a master in few. Unless we learn how to use that light reflector-fuckery to become literally invisible, regular old camo will have to do.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This is the best take on multicam and it's variants.
      It will always be outperformed by other camouflage patterns in their specific environments.
      but as a general purpose, all round pattern that saves large military organisations millions on not needing multiple uniforms in multiple patterns, it's unparalleled.
      That being said, it's still the pattern of zogbots and glow morons.
      Not appropriate for civilian use and highlights oneself as an idiot or a boot licker.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        I think it's the best camo you can use as an expeditionary force, definitely better than UCP. You always have to think that it's supposed to be a jack of all trades but it can only be a master in few. Unless we learn how to use that light reflector-fuckery to become literally invisible, regular old camo will have to do.

        ok but i would imagine the us can afford to have like 2 or 3 sets of uniforms for green areas, srid/desert areas, and if you really want snow areas, instead of only 1

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah, they could afford it. But why?
          Why issue over a million men with a forest uniform, a desert uniform and a jungle uniform each when you could just issue each man one uniform that performs acceptably at all three?
          Arctic is a stickler, because it's just white. But you get around that with overwhites.
          multiple terrain patterns are good for large organisations fielding a lot of men because it saves them millions of dollars if not more on uniforms.
          If you're an individual, get something specific for your home environment.

  17. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    one word. money.

  18. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    whats the opinion on concamo except it being unfindable?

    i live in north italy so i got plains that are normal and light green/light brown in summer and spring

    dark brown and light brown with some spray of green in winter and fall

    then you got mountians that have normal green grasslands and medium and dark bown forests with some normal green

    for the plain i think the best camos are: in summer/spring pencott greenzone, concamo, vegetata, woodland is ok plus its cool, atacs ix kinda, atacs u con if you can find it, splittertarn 31 if it even still exists, aor kinda

    for the fall/winter realtree, woodland kinda, marpat kinda, the brown gorka 4, nutria brown kinda,

    for the mountains marpat is super good, especially evergreen forests, penc greenz, concamo, vegetata, woodland

    also i have to intersect those camos with what clothes are actually available in them from good manufacturers

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      also for the plains in fall kryptek highlander

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      sounds hard to suggest for.
      A lot of contrasting environments.
      Concamo though, i'd assume is more suited for woodland than plains.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        yes the thing with my croplands is that you go from forest type colors to completely tan and brown, but in a tactical situation i would be moving in the treelines, more wooded areas, ditches, which are all green and more vegetated, surely i wouldnt go waling in the middle of a 500m/1km wide field

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >you go from forest type colors to completely tan and brown
          Try atacs IX.
          I have a full uniform in atacs IX and it works during the spring and summer greenery as well as it works in the autumnal tans and browns.

  19. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    it's genuinely good - not because of the pattern, but because the colors in it are very versatile. what i don't understand is why we don't see combat uniforms with countershading. i'm pretty confident an olive drab uniform with khaki counter on the inner side of the arms, legs, and sides of the torso would perform better than multicam 75% of the time.

  20. 1 week ago
    Anonymous
  21. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Real question is which is better Multicam or MTP? MTP is definitely cheaper

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