MT-LB With 25mm 2M3 Naval Turret

Why?

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Why not?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I'm sure casually altering the design will have no unforeseen complications.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        It's definitely imbalanced in terms of fricking weight (in addition to straining the engine and burning up more fuel) and now it is pretty damn easy to spot.

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Because they are crewed by naval infantry.

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    You didn't think this was a joke, or a prototype did you?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Frick me I thought it was a one off cobbled together on the front lines

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >It wasn't a one-off vodka induced contraption
      my sides are leaving

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        It's very old tradition anon.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Holy shit, this looks like one of those dumbass things I'd build in one of those Build-A-Tank games for shits and giggles.
      I can only assume something this top heavy is going to be used as an AA platform or for indirect fire.
      If this is their lowest depression
      then I'm not sure how much good it's going to be for fighting infantry or light armour on a level surface.
      I did some digging to find out if these things are auto-loaded or if you have to load five-round clips at a time like an old Pom-Pom gun and discovered that they are all manually operated, so they may be able to shoot down a helicopter if Sasha hasn't skipped Arm Day.

      https://weaponsystems.net/system/474-25mm+2M-3

      The answer to if they are auto-loaded is no, it looks like they fed by a magazine of about 50 rounds, but I have no idea how they are going to reload these things in the field once they run out.
      Unfortunately the only good video I could find was in Indonesian, but it shows both how the gun is operated and it firing in both enclosed and open-top formation.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        One hand grenade. The tank is gone.
        One sniper alone can kill the entire crew.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          I remember that thread.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          MT-LB stans unrecoverably BTFO

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          I remember that thread.

          I WAS THERE DUDE.... AND IT SUCKED!!!!

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Depression is fine, it looks like it stops just before it reaches the actual front of the vehicle. Always a good thing in case a drunk Russian decides to dome the driver. It looks like it'll be unable to hit crouching about ten yards in front of the vehicle, but hat's just as much the fault of the turret placement. It's also not much different from the incredibly low depression of Russian tanks anyway and an MTLB is also low down anyway.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      From what did they scrap those turrets tho?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        A literal warship

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      This is moronic but I also love it. Naval weapons in ground warfare tickle my fancy big time.

      The 2M-3s were namely for ancient P 6-class torpedo boats so it's not like they ripped them off modern vessels, but obviously having a giant open top turret in this grenade drop drone war is about the stupidest thing you can have.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >turret is missing those power lines by a couple meters
      Something tells me there’s going to be an accident waiting to happen.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I still think that looks like a bad shoop. Even the russians shouldn't be stupid enough to actually cobble together those pieces fo crap.
      We'll see if i'm wrong or not whenever we get drone footage of ukies dropping munitions on one.

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    because there's no shortage of IFVs in the Russian army and the westerners that report it are dumb morons

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Battlefield tractor is not an IFV

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        there's a gun on it now, comrade! we will make as many IFVs we can!

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >armor
        >room for dismounts
        >autocannon
        Explain why this isn't an IFV.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >autocannon
          >armor
          >room for dismounts
          Behold, an IFV

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        The MT-LB is a 1950's artillery tractor with feeble armor (14mm on the front and 3 to 10mm elsewhere). The fact this thing even exists shows there is a serious shortage of proper IFVs.

        It’s a catch all vehicleas far as the Russian army is concerned. It’s used to haul shit, personnel, tow things, have weapons slapped on top of it, and anything else. Far more preferable to the BTR-50s Russia will now start fielding but I have hunch they’re to replace many of the MTLBs lost for over a year. The fact they’re using these things with old naval guns slapped on tip is a bit odd. Especially when they probably have better guns for whatever role such as ZSU and ZPU static guns.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Aren't Ukrainian Technicals infinitely better than the shit the Russian Barbarians slap together?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I’d argue ad-hoc mobile naval guns and basic birch technicals aren’t something that can be evenly compared. The MTLB wouldn’t do jack shit against anything but if it’s in the rear lines and can cross through fields of 3 feet of mud and other swamp like conditions id take it over the technical. But if I’m on roads and flat, dry land that isn’t littered with hundreds of thousands of mines I’d take the technical. But this is a war where anything with wheels or armor eventually gets turned to dust and where we watch humvees make charges against entrenched enemies in urban areas so I don’t think it matters too greatly in the grand chime of things unless we see a sharp rise of both assets.

            From what did they scrap those turrets tho?

            Probably some grift where some wise guy officer said to a superior, “hey, won’t do we slap some old naval anti-air cannons on these?” and proceeded to get a rubber stamp. Can’t contemplate on the financial details but it’s probably cheaper than refurbishing remaining mothballed ZSU-23-4s (if there is any) or building new Tunguskas and Pantsirs.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Yes, they have this neat CIA contraption on them

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Why don't more vehicles have telescoping sensor suites? Hell, it seems like they could put one of those and a series of VLS cells for Hellfire-sized missiles on an M113 to make a very effective missile boat (land)

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Networked sensors means that you don't have to get your expensive vehicle carrying expensive missiles close enough to the front for it to acquire targets on it's own, unlike air and sea where there's minimal clutter to reduce the detection range. As to why there aren't more telescoping sensor suites, it's because everyone is just skipping past that part and moving to putting said sensors on an integrated drone.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                > VLS cells for Hellfire-sized missiles on an M113

                Say hello to the FOG-M program. Great idea that just couldn't break thru Army procurement inertia.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                https://i.imgur.com/vQpCrna.jpg

                > VLS cells for Hellfire-sized missiles on an M113

                Say hello to the FOG-M program. Great idea that just couldn't break thru Army procurement inertia.

                The M901ITV and FV438 are intermediate examples of the idea. The FV438 sensor unit in particular could be detached and operated remotely, much as Stugna has gained fame for.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              What happens if a missile hits the pole?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                NATO article 5 is applied.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      The MT-LB is a 1950's artillery tractor with feeble armor (14mm on the front and 3 to 10mm elsewhere). The fact this thing even exists shows there is a serious shortage of proper IFVs.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >The fact this thing even exists shows there is a serious shortage of proper IFVs.
        I think the day 1 circus parade showed that already.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >because there's no shortage of IFVs in the Russian army
      yeah?

      The MT-LB is a 1950's artillery tractor with feeble armor (14mm on the front and 3 to 10mm elsewhere). The fact this thing even exists shows there is a serious shortage of proper IFVs.

      >The MT-LB is a 1950's artillery tractor with feeble armor (14mm on the front and 3 to 10mm elsewhere). The fact this thing even exists shows there is a serious shortage of proper IFVs.
      this the fact that they are mad maxing these unarmored tow tractors means putin is fricked aside from the fact at a glance they will tip over on even the smallest incline

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Russian army has no shortage of armored vehicles in the same way a person living on the street begging for scraps has no shortage of money.

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Russia never really did respect the boundaries between naval and tank warfare assets

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      This is actually cool as frick and I want to see the west do it again.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I still want to see an aircraft carrier with as much field artillery as they can pack on the deck.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Uh, we give Ukraine one of our old aircraft carriers and they'd put a TON of artillery pieces on it, lol. Basically a mobile arty platform.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            No need, even more fits on some clapped out bulk-oil carrier

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              concrete barges covered with MLRS pods for coastal bombardment

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        The problem with this was that the ship'S hull could not take the stress, i.e. it would require a purpose built barbette.
        I know, totally unexpected, but hey they literally took a PzH2000 and ropped it into a ship to see what happens.
        Also, the air compressor system ingested too much water. Again, not unexpected but a problem you gotta fix before you can use that artillery system on a ship.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/WijEqrV.jpg

      This is actually cool as frick and I want to see the west do it again.

      In WW2 they also just put Naval guns on an Island off the coast of Vladivostok, to protect it from ships.
      Looks like they've repainted it, since I've been there as a kid

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        The US did that too, but they built up the island with some concrete to make it look like a ship, just for extra lulz.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          would have been funny i they could have baited someone to waste a few torpedoes on it.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/WijEqrV.jpg

      This is actually cool as frick and I want to see the west do it again.

      Artillery is so advanced and accurate now. What's stopping a ship from having a bunch of mounted M777s or something like that? Surely it's cheaper than missiles.

      In your response keep in mind that I'm clinically moronic.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >a bunch of mounted M777s
        155mm howitzer cant sink another warship, assuming it even hits it will likely do no real damage to any naval vessel unless it is an extremely lucky hit. There is not enough high explosive to do anything, and it wont penetrate deep enough to hit anything important.

        It took only two anti ship missiles to sink the Russian flagship last year.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Missile range >>>> gun range. Getting in close enough to use said guns isn't worth the risk to the platform that's carrying them, which is why the only naval guns carried right now are a single small deck gun for shooting pirates and speedboats and CWIS style missile defense systems.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        What the frick for? The brown water naval vessels that might actually need guns already have them. On the high seas, you will literally never come anywhere near your maximum engagement range before the enemy has sunk you from 200 miles away.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        moron. Naval guns these days are basically radar directed 155mm machine guns. A field howitzer would be a massive step down.

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >two 25 mm cannons
    >one 7,62 mm machine gun
    is good
    soviet quality
    more dakka to roast hoholpiggers*~~)

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >is good
      >soviet quality
      >more dakka to roast hoholpiggers*~~)
      bradley = 1x 25mm, super mtlb = 2x 25mm
      it has twice the dakka checkmate hoholpiggers*~~)

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    You know, they could be dedicated anti drone vehicles

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Wouldn't a Shilka be more suited for that purpose? It doesn't seem like they lost that many SPAAG.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I wonder how their spare Shilkas are stored and in what numbers those can be bought into action from mothballs....

        The realization that navy (except for SLBM subs)
        is fricking useless is finally setting in
        therefore best course of action is to scavenge the ships for anything useful for fighting in the actual war

        We're witnessing a genuine death of an empire

        I'd argue that the most useful naval asset for Russia are whatever small patrol boats they use to protect their exclusive economic zone in far east from Chinks doing bit of illegal fishing.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Wouldn't a Shilka be more suited for that purpose? It doesn't seem like they lost that many SPAAG.

      Anything with a proximity fuse would be better, if you don't have a proximity fuse all that matters is rate of fire to increase PoK.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        How reliable are proximity fuzes on drones?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          No reason the battery wouldn't give a good return.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Depends on how fast the drone is. These things are hand-cranked.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        they could even be used against quads, since they tend to hover in place a lot

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >not even an electronic sight, lacking a LITERAL ww2 technology
      >hand cranked twin crew
      >no FCS
      >no proximity fuse
      >trying to hit a fricking sky colored drone that's as big as a plastic bag
      >has no roof so it's vulnerable to the very same drones
      >huge cannons

      russians are so moronic it might as well be dedicated anti drone platform

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        The more Russians claim to be infinitely superior to "stupid fake Ukrainians", the more outright insulting I find it.

        Being reduced to fricking "Mad Max"-tier shit is NOT a sign of an advanced civilization.

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The realization that navy (except for SLBM subs)
    is fricking useless is finally setting in
    therefore best course of action is to scavenge the ships for anything useful for fighting in the actual war

    We're witnessing a genuine death of an empire

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Why
    Drone defence.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Drone defence.
      >hand-cranked turret
      Now I'm imagining paniky mobiks cranking away while alibaba drone lazily flies circles around that thing

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      > drone defense
      > ammo is HE point det only. No proximity fuses.

      Good luck Annie Oakley.

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    This is literally a replacement for light vehicles such as humvees, in conditions of a large number of drones and off-road.

    It does not occupy the line, modernization takes place in army units.
    A vivid example of binary thinking, in this or any war there are pickup trucks and other light infantry equipment, this is instead of it.

    MT LB has better protection and cross-country ability than any conventional pickup truck. A ship's gun allows you to achieve a lot of firepower.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Dude you're talking like it's a new innovation- they've been using the MT-LB since the fricking fifties

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >MT LB has better protection and cross-country ability than any conventional pickup truck. A ship's gun allows you to achieve a lot of firepower
      A ship gun is a logistical headache on a ship with a lot more room and resources to keep it firing. On a 80 year old rusted out MT with a now notorious logistics train expected to keep it fed and operating, well, its worse than nothing. it's a drain on supplies that could be utilized by forces actually able to accomplish something. If I didn't find Russians so repugnant I'd be embarrassed for them pulling this volkstrum shit without even the excuse of desperate defense of their homes.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >excuse of desperate defense of their homes.
        But they are defending their homes. Or did you forget that they legally annexed those regions last year?

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Gun has the high ground now.

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    A Ukrainian T-84 appears!

    How long does Russian abomination against God last?

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Don't you know Russians are fighting demon-worshippers of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church? They needed a giant pulpit to scream incoherent tongues.

    This is "Russian Holy War".

  14. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    so russia is stripping guns off their ships now? also it looks like that thing would tump over backwards if it ever had to move uphill.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >so russia is stripping guns off their ships now?
      Yeah if you mean the fricking komar class missile boats from back before kennedy took office. This is basically contemporary ww2 tech, T-34 meme is dangerously close to coming true

  15. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Someone tell Russia the world's second most powerful military shouldn't be building technicals out of old boat parts to invade a poor country on their own border.

  16. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Russia loses their flagship warship to land based weapons
    >Their response is to send warship weapons inland on APCs

    Good thing Zelensky is a comedian since a politician wouldn't be able to handle this shit.

  17. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    such a high turret will probably get a better upwards flight pattern than t72

  18. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I have been on those pieces of crap once during my conscription on FDF. Sorry for ESL.
    > we were training near our base and were about to leave back
    > You guys go to that vehicle and move back to base after breakfast
    > We walk past as the driver uses jumper cables desperatly trying to get the thing to start
    >" I'm not sure if we get anywhere with this peace of crap" he shouts and laughs
    > We get on and as you do during conscription fall asleep right away when there is a chance
    > I wake up to a violent shaking and the guys in front of me flying at me with their full gear
    > We are in a big pile and the driver opens the backdoors
    > WE WENT IN A DITCH! . He shouts
    The fricking steering had broken down in a curve and we want straight like a sled in to a ditch. Behind that ditch was a hedge and right behind that hedge was a house. Whitout that ditch we would have gone straight into the livingroom of that house .
    >Hello Finnish defence forces here, do you want to donate for the veterans

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous
    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >armored fighting vehicle flies through living room and embeds itself in bedroom wall while married couple are fricking
      >half a dozen armed soldiers crawl out
      >one has a massive head wound and just says
      >defending ur freedom :DDDD

  19. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >The BMP-T at home

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >turns out be more accurate than a BMP-T

  20. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    New KV-2?

  21. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I get the feeling Putin's efforts to reinforce Russia's bully status in the world aren't going as well as he'd hoped.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous
    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Memes aside, Russia is quite legitimately going to have serious problems exporting weapons systems as an industry at the same rate as prewar after this war because none of them have performed anything like what they've claimed

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Do you remember when a guy claiming connections to a reasonably large African nation actually came to /k/ asking for advice on what tanks to buy because this invasion spooked them out of buying Russian gear? I 'member.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          I'd love screencaps

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Here you go anon.

            https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/52392270/#52392270

  22. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I think Ivan played a little too much Warzone 2100 and took too many notes

  23. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Totally open top, with side panels that open to reload it. Drone grades will be having fun here.

    It looks like the crew will have to disembark and climb onto the roof of their vehicle to reload the belt when it runs dry. The gunners head is 12 feet off the ground, and the rest of the crew have to be suicidal to try and reload this in combat.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous
  24. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    This is actually smart. Russia's fleet outside of the Black Sea can't do anything to save Putin's hide, so why not strip everything else for guns? The ship crews will be thrown into the grinder as infantry at some point if not already anyway.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      These are from ships that aren't even used anymore.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        that's all of them

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          No, I'm talking about decommissioned and sold off in the 70's not used any more.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >current year + 8
      >hand cranked turrets

  25. 1 year ago
    Anonymous
  26. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    obligatory repost for current thread

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Loooooooong
      >LooooHOoooong
      >TaaaaaaaaHAAAAAAHAAAAANK

  27. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    lmao looks like more targets for hohols to waste precious western ammo on before the real breakthrough forests rolls in with t-90m and terminators
    Germany can't even arm its own military let alone hohols fighting Russia

  28. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Guys, you are completely missing the thing.

    They are run out of fricking zu 23-2.
    Thats why they are producing that thing instead.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Oh shit. You are right. Some Naval Infantry Brigade ran out of regular AA guns to slap onto MT-LBs for anti-drone work. They dug around in their shipyard warehouses and found these.

  29. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    How does /misc/ and other Russian apologists cope with how Russia has performed throughout this entire war? How is it that theyee with what Russia has been reduced to? This shit is even worse then 1945 Germany tier armor.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      They are 100% in denial of the reality of the situation.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Denial and projection as usual.

  30. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    We all know that Russia will try assaulting with those things and that it will be an amusing shitshow.

    But how would those fare as sort of static defences?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >But how would those fare as sort of static defences?
      Awful. They have an open top and no armour (the sides of the turret are just thin sheetmetal with rolled edges. It wont hold up to small arms and the gunners head is exposed from the front so he can aim.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Terrible. The MTLB doesn't have the hydraulic power needed to operate this turret, so the manual backup is the only way to lay the gun. The gun also doesn't have any telescopic or co-laminating sight, it's got a WWII tech ring sight. This thing is just another can for potted meat.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      it's can be penned by .50 cal

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >We all know that Russia will try assaulting with those things

      The gun tub has 4mm "armor". A spitwad will pen the poor dear.

  31. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    You turn a shitbox into a shitbox with some firepower.

  32. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Could you kill an MT-LB with an anti-tank rifle?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      A Mauser Tank Gewehr from WW1 can pen an MT-LB at any reasonable distance. Probably means a .50bmg or 14.5 could if they're shooting AP.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Its frontal armor is 10mm thick, so anything above a .50 BMG would be bad news for it.

  33. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    http://navweaps.com/Weapons/WNRussian_25mm-79_2m-3.php
    >It should be noted that the performance of this weapon does not differ appreciatively from that of the Japanese 25 mm Type 96 AA gun of World War II.
    >It should be noted that the performance of this weapon does not differ appreciatively from that of the Japanese 25 mm Type 96 AA gun of World War II.
    >It should be noted that the performance of this weapon does not differ appreciatively from that of the Japanese 25 mm Type 96 AA gun of World War II.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Oh nononono

  34. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    It just works.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >ywn put an ATGM into an mt-lb and then machine gun the survivors as they try to crawl away/surrender

  35. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    i could see this being useful if you have like a berm behind which you can shoot from. expose only the turret, if it gets atgmd you only lose 1-2 mobiks instead an ifv. puccia is lightyears ahead of hato

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