It's definitely imbalanced in terms of fucking weight (in addition to straining the engine and burning up more fuel) and now it is pretty damn easy to spot.
Holy shit, this looks like one of those dumbass things I'd build in one of those Build-A-Tank games for shits and giggles.
I can only assume something this top heavy is going to be used as an AA platform or for indirect fire.
If this is their lowest depression
then I'm not sure how much good it's going to be for fighting infantry or light armour on a level surface.
I did some digging to find out if these things are auto-loaded or if you have to load five-round clips at a time like an old Pom-Pom gun and discovered that they are all manually operated, so they may be able to shoot down a helicopter if Sasha hasn't skipped Arm Day.
https://weaponsystems.net/system/474-25mm+2M-3
The answer to if they are auto-loaded is no, it looks like they fed by a magazine of about 50 rounds, but I have no idea how they are going to reload these things in the field once they run out.
Unfortunately the only good video I could find was in Indonesian, but it shows both how the gun is operated and it firing in both enclosed and open-top formation.
Depression is fine, it looks like it stops just before it reaches the actual front of the vehicle. Always a good thing in case a drunk Russian decides to dome the driver. It looks like it'll be unable to hit crouching about ten yards in front of the vehicle, but hat's just as much the fault of the turret placement. It's also not much different from the incredibly low depression of Russian tanks anyway and an MTLB is also low down anyway.
This is retarded but I also love it. Naval weapons in ground warfare tickle my fancy big time.
The 2M-3s were namely for ancient P 6-class torpedo boats so it's not like they ripped them off modern vessels, but obviously having a giant open top turret in this grenade drop drone war is about the stupidest thing you can have.
I still think that looks like a bad shoop. Even the russians shouldn't be stupid enough to actually cobble together those pieces fo crap.
We'll see if i'm wrong or not whenever we get drone footage of ukies dropping munitions on one.
The MT-LB is a 1950's artillery tractor with feeble armor (14mm on the front and 3 to 10mm elsewhere). The fact this thing even exists shows there is a serious shortage of proper IFVs.
It’s a catch all vehicleas far as the Russian army is concerned. It’s used to haul shit, personnel, tow things, have weapons slapped on top of it, and anything else. Far more preferable to the BTR-50s Russia will now start fielding but I have hunch they’re to replace many of the MTLBs lost for over a year. The fact they’re using these things with old naval guns slapped on tip is a bit odd. Especially when they probably have better guns for whatever role such as ZSU and ZPU static guns.
I’d argue ad-hoc mobile naval guns and basic birch technicals aren’t something that can be evenly compared. The MTLB wouldn’t do jack shit against anything but if it’s in the rear lines and can cross through fields of 3 feet of mud and other swamp like conditions id take it over the technical. But if I’m on roads and flat, dry land that isn’t littered with hundreds of thousands of mines I’d take the technical. But this is a war where anything with wheels or armor eventually gets turned to dust and where we watch humvees make charges against entrenched enemies in urban areas so I don’t think it matters too greatly in the grand chime of things unless we see a sharp rise of both assets.
From what did they scrap those turrets tho?
Probably some grift where some wise guy officer said to a superior, “hey, won’t do we slap some old naval anti-air cannons on these?” and proceeded to get a rubber stamp. Can’t contemplate on the financial details but it’s probably cheaper than refurbishing remaining mothballed ZSU-23-4s (if there is any) or building new Tunguskas and Pantsirs.
Why don't more vehicles have telescoping sensor suites? Hell, it seems like they could put one of those and a series of VLS cells for Hellfire-sized missiles on an M113 to make a very effective missile boat (land)
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Networked sensors means that you don't have to get your expensive vehicle carrying expensive missiles close enough to the front for it to acquire targets on it's own, unlike air and sea where there's minimal clutter to reduce the detection range. As to why there aren't more telescoping sensor suites, it's because everyone is just skipping past that part and moving to putting said sensors on an integrated drone.
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> VLS cells for Hellfire-sized missiles on an M113
Say hello to the FOG-M program. Great idea that just couldn't break thru Army procurement inertia.
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https://i.imgur.com/vQpCrna.jpg
> VLS cells for Hellfire-sized missiles on an M113
Say hello to the FOG-M program. Great idea that just couldn't break thru Army procurement inertia.
The M901ITV and FV438 are intermediate examples of the idea. The FV438 sensor unit in particular could be detached and operated remotely, much as Stugna has gained fame for.
The MT-LB is a 1950's artillery tractor with feeble armor (14mm on the front and 3 to 10mm elsewhere). The fact this thing even exists shows there is a serious shortage of proper IFVs.
>because there's no shortage of IFVs in the Russian army
yeah?
The MT-LB is a 1950's artillery tractor with feeble armor (14mm on the front and 3 to 10mm elsewhere). The fact this thing even exists shows there is a serious shortage of proper IFVs.
>The MT-LB is a 1950's artillery tractor with feeble armor (14mm on the front and 3 to 10mm elsewhere). The fact this thing even exists shows there is a serious shortage of proper IFVs.
this the fact that they are mad maxing these unarmored tow tractors means putin is fucked aside from the fact at a glance they will tip over on even the smallest incline
The problem with this was that the ship'S hull could not take the stress, i.e. it would require a purpose built barbette.
I know, totally unexpected, but hey they literally took a PzH2000 and ropped it into a ship to see what happens.
Also, the air compressor system ingested too much water. Again, not unexpected but a problem you gotta fix before you can use that artillery system on a ship.
This is actually cool as fuck and I want to see the west do it again.
In WW2 they also just put Naval guns on an Island off the coast of Vladivostok, to protect it from ships.
Looks like they've repainted it, since I've been there as a kid
This is actually cool as fuck and I want to see the west do it again.
Artillery is so advanced and accurate now. What's stopping a ship from having a bunch of mounted M777s or something like that? Surely it's cheaper than missiles.
In your response keep in mind that I'm clinically retarded.
>a bunch of mounted M777s
155mm howitzer cant sink another warship, assuming it even hits it will likely do no real damage to any naval vessel unless it is an extremely lucky hit. There is not enough high explosive to do anything, and it wont penetrate deep enough to hit anything important.
It took only two anti ship missiles to sink the Russian flagship last year.
Missile range >>>> gun range. Getting in close enough to use said guns isn't worth the risk to the platform that's carrying them, which is why the only naval guns carried right now are a single small deck gun for shooting pirates and speedboats and CWIS style missile defense systems.
What the fuck for? The brown water naval vessels that might actually need guns already have them. On the high seas, you will literally never come anywhere near your maximum engagement range before the enemy has sunk you from 200 miles away.
>is good >soviet quality >more dakka to roast hoholpiggers*~~)
bradley = 1x 25mm, super mtlb = 2x 25mm
it has twice the dakka checkmate hoholpiggers*~~)
I wonder how their spare Shilkas are stored and in what numbers those can be bought into action from mothballs....
The realization that navy (except for SLBM subs)
is fucking useless is finally setting in
therefore best course of action is to scavenge the ships for anything useful for fighting in the actual war
We're witnessing a genuine death of an empire
I'd argue that the most useful naval asset for Russia are whatever small patrol boats they use to protect their exclusive economic zone in far east from Chinks doing bit of illegal fishing.
>not even an electronic sight, lacking a LITERAL ww2 technology >hand cranked twin crew >no FCS >no proximity fuse >trying to hit a fucking sky colored drone that's as big as a plastic bag >has no roof so it's vulnerable to the very same drones >huge cannons
russians are so retarded it might as well be dedicated anti drone platform
The realization that navy (except for SLBM subs)
is fucking useless is finally setting in
therefore best course of action is to scavenge the ships for anything useful for fighting in the actual war
This is literally a replacement for light vehicles such as humvees, in conditions of a large number of drones and off-road.
It does not occupy the line, modernization takes place in army units.
A vivid example of binary thinking, in this or any war there are pickup trucks and other light infantry equipment, this is instead of it.
MT LB has better protection and cross-country ability than any conventional pickup truck. A ship's gun allows you to achieve a lot of firepower.
>MT LB has better protection and cross-country ability than any conventional pickup truck. A ship's gun allows you to achieve a lot of firepower
A ship gun is a logistical headache on a ship with a lot more room and resources to keep it firing. On a 80 year old rusted out MT with a now notorious logistics train expected to keep it fed and operating, well, its worse than nothing. it's a drain on supplies that could be utilized by forces actually able to accomplish something. If I didn't find Russians so repugnant I'd be embarrassed for them pulling this volkstrum shit without even the excuse of desperate defense of their homes.
>so russia is stripping guns off their ships now?
Yeah if you mean the fucking komar class missile boats from back before kennedy took office. This is basically contemporary ww2 tech, T-34 meme is dangerously close to coming true
Someone tell Russia the world's second most powerful military shouldn't be building technicals out of old boat parts to invade a poor country on their own border.
I have been on those pieces of crap once during my conscription on FDF. Sorry for ESL. > we were training near our base and were about to leave back > You guys go to that vehicle and move back to base after breakfast > We walk past as the driver uses jumper cables desperatly trying to get the thing to start >" I'm not sure if we get anywhere with this peace of crap" he shouts and laughs > We get on and as you do during conscription fall asleep right away when there is a chance > I wake up to a violent shaking and the guys in front of me flying at me with their full gear > We are in a big pile and the driver opens the backdoors > WE WENT IN A DITCH! . He shouts
The fucking steering had broken down in a curve and we want straight like a sled in to a ditch. Behind that ditch was a hedge and right behind that hedge was a house. Whitout that ditch we would have gone straight into the livingroom of that house . >Hello Finnish defence forces here, do you want to donate for the veterans
>armored fighting vehicle flies through living room and embeds itself in bedroom wall while married couple are fucking >half a dozen armed soldiers crawl out >one has a massive head wound and just says >defending ur freedom :DDDD
Memes aside, Russia is quite legitimately going to have serious problems exporting weapons systems as an industry at the same rate as prewar after this war because none of them have performed anything like what they've claimed
Do you remember when a guy claiming connections to a reasonably large African nation actually came to PrepHole asking for advice on what tanks to buy because this invasion spooked them out of buying Russian gear? I 'member.
Totally open top, with side panels that open to reload it. Drone grades will be having fun here.
It looks like the crew will have to disembark and climb onto the roof of their vehicle to reload the belt when it runs dry. The gunners head is 12 feet off the ground, and the rest of the crew have to be suicidal to try and reload this in combat.
This is actually smart. Russia's fleet outside of the Black Sea can't do anything to save Putin's hide, so why not strip everything else for guns? The ship crews will be thrown into the grinder as infantry at some point if not already anyway.
lmao looks like more targets for hohols to waste precious western ammo on before the real breakthrough forests rolls in with t-90m and terminators
Germany can't even arm its own military let alone hohols fighting Russia
Oh shit. You are right. Some Naval Infantry Brigade ran out of regular AA guns to slap onto MT-LBs for anti-drone work. They dug around in their shipyard warehouses and found these.
How does 4chan and other Russian apologists cope with how Russia has performed throughout this entire war? How is it that theyee with what Russia has been reduced to? This shit is even worse then 1945 Germany tier armor.
>But how would those fare as sort of static defences?
Awful. They have an open top and no armour (the sides of the turret are just thin sheetmetal with rolled edges. It wont hold up to small arms and the gunners head is exposed from the front so he can aim.
Terrible. The MTLB doesn't have the hydraulic power needed to operate this turret, so the manual backup is the only way to lay the gun. The gun also doesn't have any telescopic or co-laminating sight, it's got a WWII tech ring sight. This thing is just another can for potted meat.
http://navweaps.com/Weapons/WNRussian_25mm-79_2m-3.php >It should be noted that the performance of this weapon does not differ appreciatively from that of the Japanese 25 mm Type 96 AA gun of World War II. >It should be noted that the performance of this weapon does not differ appreciatively from that of the Japanese 25 mm Type 96 AA gun of World War II. >It should be noted that the performance of this weapon does not differ appreciatively from that of the Japanese 25 mm Type 96 AA gun of World War II.
i could see this being useful if you have like a berm behind which you can shoot from. expose only the turret, if it gets atgmd you only lose 1-2 mobiks instead an ifv. puccia is lightyears ahead of hato
Why not?
I'm sure casually altering the design will have no unforeseen complications.
It's definitely imbalanced in terms of fucking weight (in addition to straining the engine and burning up more fuel) and now it is pretty damn easy to spot.
Because they are crewed by naval infantry.
You didn't think this was a joke, or a prototype did you?
Fuck me I thought it was a one off cobbled together on the front lines
>It wasn't a one-off vodka induced contraption
my sides are leaving
It's very old tradition anon.
Holy shit, this looks like one of those dumbass things I'd build in one of those Build-A-Tank games for shits and giggles.
I can only assume something this top heavy is going to be used as an AA platform or for indirect fire.
If this is their lowest depression
then I'm not sure how much good it's going to be for fighting infantry or light armour on a level surface.
I did some digging to find out if these things are auto-loaded or if you have to load five-round clips at a time like an old Pom-Pom gun and discovered that they are all manually operated, so they may be able to shoot down a helicopter if Sasha hasn't skipped Arm Day.
https://weaponsystems.net/system/474-25mm+2M-3
The answer to if they are auto-loaded is no, it looks like they fed by a magazine of about 50 rounds, but I have no idea how they are going to reload these things in the field once they run out.
Unfortunately the only good video I could find was in Indonesian, but it shows both how the gun is operated and it firing in both enclosed and open-top formation.
One hand grenade. The tank is gone.
One sniper alone can kill the entire crew.
I remember that thread.
MT-LB stans unrecoverably BTFO
I WAS THERE DUDE.... AND IT SUCKED!!!!
Depression is fine, it looks like it stops just before it reaches the actual front of the vehicle. Always a good thing in case a drunk Russian decides to dome the driver. It looks like it'll be unable to hit crouching about ten yards in front of the vehicle, but hat's just as much the fault of the turret placement. It's also not much different from the incredibly low depression of Russian tanks anyway and an MTLB is also low down anyway.
From what did they scrap those turrets tho?
A literal warship
This is retarded but I also love it. Naval weapons in ground warfare tickle my fancy big time.
The 2M-3s were namely for ancient P 6-class torpedo boats so it's not like they ripped them off modern vessels, but obviously having a giant open top turret in this grenade drop drone war is about the stupidest thing you can have.
>turret is missing those power lines by a couple meters
Something tells me there’s going to be an accident waiting to happen.
I still think that looks like a bad shoop. Even the russians shouldn't be stupid enough to actually cobble together those pieces fo crap.
We'll see if i'm wrong or not whenever we get drone footage of ukies dropping munitions on one.
because there's no shortage of IFVs in the Russian army and the westerners that report it are dumb retards
Battlefield tractor is not an IFV
there's a gun on it now, comrade! we will make as many IFVs we can!
>armor
>room for dismounts
>autocannon
Explain why this isn't an IFV.
>autocannon
>armor
>room for dismounts
Behold, an IFV
It’s a catch all vehicleas far as the Russian army is concerned. It’s used to haul shit, personnel, tow things, have weapons slapped on top of it, and anything else. Far more preferable to the BTR-50s Russia will now start fielding but I have hunch they’re to replace many of the MTLBs lost for over a year. The fact they’re using these things with old naval guns slapped on tip is a bit odd. Especially when they probably have better guns for whatever role such as ZSU and ZPU static guns.
Aren't Ukrainian Technicals infinitely better than the shit the Russian Barbarians slap together?
I’d argue ad-hoc mobile naval guns and basic birch technicals aren’t something that can be evenly compared. The MTLB wouldn’t do jack shit against anything but if it’s in the rear lines and can cross through fields of 3 feet of mud and other swamp like conditions id take it over the technical. But if I’m on roads and flat, dry land that isn’t littered with hundreds of thousands of mines I’d take the technical. But this is a war where anything with wheels or armor eventually gets turned to dust and where we watch humvees make charges against entrenched enemies in urban areas so I don’t think it matters too greatly in the grand chime of things unless we see a sharp rise of both assets.
Probably some grift where some wise guy officer said to a superior, “hey, won’t do we slap some old naval anti-air cannons on these?” and proceeded to get a rubber stamp. Can’t contemplate on the financial details but it’s probably cheaper than refurbishing remaining mothballed ZSU-23-4s (if there is any) or building new Tunguskas and Pantsirs.
Yes, they have this neat CIA contraption on them
Why don't more vehicles have telescoping sensor suites? Hell, it seems like they could put one of those and a series of VLS cells for Hellfire-sized missiles on an M113 to make a very effective missile boat (land)
Networked sensors means that you don't have to get your expensive vehicle carrying expensive missiles close enough to the front for it to acquire targets on it's own, unlike air and sea where there's minimal clutter to reduce the detection range. As to why there aren't more telescoping sensor suites, it's because everyone is just skipping past that part and moving to putting said sensors on an integrated drone.
> VLS cells for Hellfire-sized missiles on an M113
Say hello to the FOG-M program. Great idea that just couldn't break thru Army procurement inertia.
The M901ITV and FV438 are intermediate examples of the idea. The FV438 sensor unit in particular could be detached and operated remotely, much as Stugna has gained fame for.
What happens if a missile hits the pole?
NATO article 5 is applied.
The MT-LB is a 1950's artillery tractor with feeble armor (14mm on the front and 3 to 10mm elsewhere). The fact this thing even exists shows there is a serious shortage of proper IFVs.
>The fact this thing even exists shows there is a serious shortage of proper IFVs.
I think the day 1 circus parade showed that already.
>because there's no shortage of IFVs in the Russian army
yeah?
>The MT-LB is a 1950's artillery tractor with feeble armor (14mm on the front and 3 to 10mm elsewhere). The fact this thing even exists shows there is a serious shortage of proper IFVs.
this the fact that they are mad maxing these unarmored tow tractors means putin is fucked aside from the fact at a glance they will tip over on even the smallest incline
Russian army has no shortage of armored vehicles in the same way a person living on the street begging for scraps has no shortage of money.
Russia never really did respect the boundaries between naval and tank warfare assets
This is actually cool as fuck and I want to see the west do it again.
I still want to see an aircraft carrier with as much field artillery as they can pack on the deck.
Uh, we give Ukraine one of our old aircraft carriers and they'd put a TON of artillery pieces on it, lol. Basically a mobile arty platform.
No need, even more fits on some clapped out bulk-oil carrier
concrete barges covered with MLRS pods for coastal bombardment
The problem with this was that the ship'S hull could not take the stress, i.e. it would require a purpose built barbette.
I know, totally unexpected, but hey they literally took a PzH2000 and ropped it into a ship to see what happens.
Also, the air compressor system ingested too much water. Again, not unexpected but a problem you gotta fix before you can use that artillery system on a ship.
In WW2 they also just put Naval guns on an Island off the coast of Vladivostok, to protect it from ships.
Looks like they've repainted it, since I've been there as a kid
The US did that too, but they built up the island with some concrete to make it look like a ship, just for extra lulz.
would have been funny i they could have baited someone to waste a few torpedoes on it.
Artillery is so advanced and accurate now. What's stopping a ship from having a bunch of mounted M777s or something like that? Surely it's cheaper than missiles.
In your response keep in mind that I'm clinically retarded.
>a bunch of mounted M777s
155mm howitzer cant sink another warship, assuming it even hits it will likely do no real damage to any naval vessel unless it is an extremely lucky hit. There is not enough high explosive to do anything, and it wont penetrate deep enough to hit anything important.
It took only two anti ship missiles to sink the Russian flagship last year.
Missile range >>>> gun range. Getting in close enough to use said guns isn't worth the risk to the platform that's carrying them, which is why the only naval guns carried right now are a single small deck gun for shooting pirates and speedboats and CWIS style missile defense systems.
What the fuck for? The brown water naval vessels that might actually need guns already have them. On the high seas, you will literally never come anywhere near your maximum engagement range before the enemy has sunk you from 200 miles away.
Retard. Naval guns these days are basically radar directed 155mm machine guns. A field howitzer would be a massive step down.
>two 25 mm cannons
>one 7,62 mm machine gun
is good
soviet quality
more dakka to roast hoholpiggers*~~)
>is good
>soviet quality
>more dakka to roast hoholpiggers*~~)
bradley = 1x 25mm, super mtlb = 2x 25mm
it has twice the dakka checkmate hoholpiggers*~~)
You know, they could be dedicated anti drone vehicles
Wouldn't a Shilka be more suited for that purpose? It doesn't seem like they lost that many SPAAG.
I wonder how their spare Shilkas are stored and in what numbers those can be bought into action from mothballs....
I'd argue that the most useful naval asset for Russia are whatever small patrol boats they use to protect their exclusive economic zone in far east from Chinks doing bit of illegal fishing.
Anything with a proximity fuse would be better, if you don't have a proximity fuse all that matters is rate of fire to increase PoK.
How reliable are proximity fuzes on drones?
No reason the battery wouldn't give a good return.
Depends on how fast the drone is. These things are hand-cranked.
they could even be used against quads, since they tend to hover in place a lot
>not even an electronic sight, lacking a LITERAL ww2 technology
>hand cranked twin crew
>no FCS
>no proximity fuse
>trying to hit a fucking sky colored drone that's as big as a plastic bag
>has no roof so it's vulnerable to the very same drones
>huge cannons
russians are so retarded it might as well be dedicated anti drone platform
The more Russians claim to be infinitely superior to "stupid fake Ukrainians", the more outright insulting I find it.
Being reduced to fucking "Mad Max"-tier shit is NOT a sign of an advanced civilization.
The realization that navy (except for SLBM subs)
is fucking useless is finally setting in
therefore best course of action is to scavenge the ships for anything useful for fighting in the actual war
We're witnessing a genuine death of an empire
>Why
Drone defence.
>Drone defence.
>hand-cranked turret
Now I'm imagining paniky mobiks cranking away while alibaba drone lazily flies circles around that thing
> drone defense
> ammo is HE point det only. No proximity fuses.
Good luck Annie Oakley.
This is literally a replacement for light vehicles such as humvees, in conditions of a large number of drones and off-road.
It does not occupy the line, modernization takes place in army units.
A vivid example of binary thinking, in this or any war there are pickup trucks and other light infantry equipment, this is instead of it.
MT LB has better protection and cross-country ability than any conventional pickup truck. A ship's gun allows you to achieve a lot of firepower.
Dude you're talking like it's a new innovation- they've been using the MT-LB since the fucking fifties
>MT LB has better protection and cross-country ability than any conventional pickup truck. A ship's gun allows you to achieve a lot of firepower
A ship gun is a logistical headache on a ship with a lot more room and resources to keep it firing. On a 80 year old rusted out MT with a now notorious logistics train expected to keep it fed and operating, well, its worse than nothing. it's a drain on supplies that could be utilized by forces actually able to accomplish something. If I didn't find Russians so repugnant I'd be embarrassed for them pulling this volkstrum shit without even the excuse of desperate defense of their homes.
>excuse of desperate defense of their homes.
But they are defending their homes. Or did you forget that they legally annexed those regions last year?
Gun has the high ground now.
A Ukrainian T-84 appears!
How long does Russian abomination against God last?
Don't you know Russians are fighting demon-worshippers of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church? They needed a giant pulpit to scream incoherent tongues.
This is "Russian Holy War".
so russia is stripping guns off their ships now? also it looks like that thing would tump over backwards if it ever had to move uphill.
>so russia is stripping guns off their ships now?
Yeah if you mean the fucking komar class missile boats from back before kennedy took office. This is basically contemporary ww2 tech, T-34 meme is dangerously close to coming true
Someone tell Russia the world's second most powerful military shouldn't be building technicals out of old boat parts to invade a poor country on their own border.
>Russia loses their flagship warship to land based weapons
>Their response is to send warship weapons inland on APCs
Good thing Zelensky is a comedian since a politician wouldn't be able to handle this shit.
such a high turret will probably get a better upwards flight pattern than t72
I have been on those pieces of crap once during my conscription on FDF. Sorry for ESL.
> we were training near our base and were about to leave back
> You guys go to that vehicle and move back to base after breakfast
> We walk past as the driver uses jumper cables desperatly trying to get the thing to start
>" I'm not sure if we get anywhere with this peace of crap" he shouts and laughs
> We get on and as you do during conscription fall asleep right away when there is a chance
> I wake up to a violent shaking and the guys in front of me flying at me with their full gear
> We are in a big pile and the driver opens the backdoors
> WE WENT IN A DITCH! . He shouts
The fucking steering had broken down in a curve and we want straight like a sled in to a ditch. Behind that ditch was a hedge and right behind that hedge was a house. Whitout that ditch we would have gone straight into the livingroom of that house .
>Hello Finnish defence forces here, do you want to donate for the veterans
>armored fighting vehicle flies through living room and embeds itself in bedroom wall while married couple are fucking
>half a dozen armed soldiers crawl out
>one has a massive head wound and just says
>defending ur freedom :DDDD
>The BMP-T at home
>turns out be more accurate than a BMP-T
New KV-2?
I get the feeling Putin's efforts to reinforce Russia's bully status in the world aren't going as well as he'd hoped.
Memes aside, Russia is quite legitimately going to have serious problems exporting weapons systems as an industry at the same rate as prewar after this war because none of them have performed anything like what they've claimed
Do you remember when a guy claiming connections to a reasonably large African nation actually came to PrepHole asking for advice on what tanks to buy because this invasion spooked them out of buying Russian gear? I 'member.
I'd love screencaps
Here you go anon.
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/52392270/#52392270
I think Ivan played a little too much Warzone 2100 and took too many notes
Totally open top, with side panels that open to reload it. Drone grades will be having fun here.
It looks like the crew will have to disembark and climb onto the roof of their vehicle to reload the belt when it runs dry. The gunners head is 12 feet off the ground, and the rest of the crew have to be suicidal to try and reload this in combat.
This is actually smart. Russia's fleet outside of the Black Sea can't do anything to save Putin's hide, so why not strip everything else for guns? The ship crews will be thrown into the grinder as infantry at some point if not already anyway.
These are from ships that aren't even used anymore.
that's all of them
No, I'm talking about decommissioned and sold off in the 70's not used any more.
>current year + 8
>hand cranked turrets
obligatory repost for current thread
>Loooooooong
>LooooHOoooong
>TaaaaaaaaHAAAAAAHAAAAANK
lmao looks like more targets for hohols to waste precious western ammo on before the real breakthrough forests rolls in with t-90m and terminators
Germany can't even arm its own military let alone hohols fighting Russia
Guys, you are completely missing the thing.
They are run out of fucking zu 23-2.
Thats why they are producing that thing instead.
Oh shit. You are right. Some Naval Infantry Brigade ran out of regular AA guns to slap onto MT-LBs for anti-drone work. They dug around in their shipyard warehouses and found these.
How does 4chan and other Russian apologists cope with how Russia has performed throughout this entire war? How is it that theyee with what Russia has been reduced to? This shit is even worse then 1945 Germany tier armor.
They are 100% in denial of the reality of the situation.
Denial and projection as usual.
We all know that Russia will try assaulting with those things and that it will be an amusing shitshow.
But how would those fare as sort of static defences?
>But how would those fare as sort of static defences?
Awful. They have an open top and no armour (the sides of the turret are just thin sheetmetal with rolled edges. It wont hold up to small arms and the gunners head is exposed from the front so he can aim.
Terrible. The MTLB doesn't have the hydraulic power needed to operate this turret, so the manual backup is the only way to lay the gun. The gun also doesn't have any telescopic or co-laminating sight, it's got a WWII tech ring sight. This thing is just another can for potted meat.
it's can be penned by .50 cal
>We all know that Russia will try assaulting with those things
The gun tub has 4mm "armor". A spitwad will pen the poor dear.
You turn a shitbox into a shitbox with some firepower.
Could you kill an MT-LB with an anti-tank rifle?
A Mauser Tank Gewehr from WW1 can pen an MT-LB at any reasonable distance. Probably means a .50bmg or 14.5 could if they're shooting AP.
Its frontal armor is 10mm thick, so anything above a .50 BMG would be bad news for it.
http://navweaps.com/Weapons/WNRussian_25mm-79_2m-3.php
>It should be noted that the performance of this weapon does not differ appreciatively from that of the Japanese 25 mm Type 96 AA gun of World War II.
>It should be noted that the performance of this weapon does not differ appreciatively from that of the Japanese 25 mm Type 96 AA gun of World War II.
>It should be noted that the performance of this weapon does not differ appreciatively from that of the Japanese 25 mm Type 96 AA gun of World War II.
Oh nononono
It just works.
>ywn put an ATGM into an mt-lb and then machine gun the survivors as they try to crawl away/surrender
i could see this being useful if you have like a berm behind which you can shoot from. expose only the turret, if it gets atgmd you only lose 1-2 mobiks instead an ifv. puccia is lightyears ahead of hato