most realistic situation if china opereate full - scale stroming on japan

like russian military did to ukraine but without usa and westoids handouts ?

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    China would win. But it’s illogical because the US would intervene 100%

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >China would win
      lol
      lmao

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        China has a billion people and money. I like Japan but could they repel a full Chinese invasion alone? Probably not. US+Japan would cream China though

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >China has a billion people and money.
          That's not how war works. For the thousands years of known history china had the largest population and biggest riches in the world. Yet they known for losing to almost everyone who is not the other chink.
          If you could just say "oh they have bigger numbers they would win" wars would never happen.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          China can't even invade Taiwan without appalling casualties that would get Xi lynched. Do you have any idea the scale of amphibious capabilities it would require? And Taiwan doesn't even have a modern navy to speak of. The Japanese "maritime self defense force" is the 4th largest navy in the world and is explicitly set up for mauling an offensive force attempting to approach its shores. On top of this, geography is king and it hasn't changed since the Allies planned Operation Downfall, so unless China plans on flying everything ashore, the only suitable landing beaches are in south eastern kyushu and on the kanto plain, outside of the first island chain and only accessibly via choke points that Japan has been operating in and gaining intimate familiarity with since the late 1950s.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Probably not.
            I guess it depends on how much of the US you are including
            if you reduce support to exclusively the US forces already based in Japan, I think Japan would still win/hold out China indefinitely due to inability for chinks to land

            https://i.imgur.com/ygNArC3.png

            like russian military did to ukraine but without usa and westoids handouts ?

            Isn't Japan on top a de facto nuclear power which, should the shit ever get close to really hitting the fan, is able to produce nuclear weapons in under a year?

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The JMSDFs destroyers are actually just hats that hide the gundams beneath them. These plus the newly announced Aegis Afloat (Formerly Ashore) arsenal ships mean that Japan will be in good (giant robot) hands

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Isn't Japan on top a de facto nuclear power which, should the shit ever get close to really hitting the fan, is able to produce nuclear weapons in under a year?
              Yes. They have a ton of nuke plants and a lot of familiarity, and critically and unlike many other countries a FULL nuclear fuel cycle. They fabricate, enrich, and reprocess their own fuel. With lots of nuclear plants, lots of fuel cycling, and domestic enrichment and reprocessing capability yes they could put together a bunch of basic so-so A-bombs pretty fast, though note these aren't total game changers in a purely military situation. They could seriously revenge on China though.

              H-bombs are out of any quick capability, nothing in normal nuclear power usage helps with that and it's a huge hard R&D effort even once you have trigger bombs. In fact GOOD A-bombs (needed as a preqreq) are also a hard thing that'd take more than a year.

              None of this matters though because Japan is under America's nuclear umbrella anyway.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Probably not.
          I guess it depends on how much of the US you are including
          if you reduce support to exclusively the US forces already based in Japan, I think Japan would still win/hold out China indefinitely due to inability for chinks to land

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It doesn't matter if you have a billion people if you don't have any ships to carry them to the people you don't like.

          Hence why the JSDF is focused on winning a defensive naval war.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Weird how China always has everyone outnumbered a hundred to one and yet keeps losing so fucking badly when push comes to shove. China hasnt defeated a foreign power in the field for 500 years. They lost to the fucking post war Vietnamese. The POST WAR Vietnamese.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It was pathetic but who did the Vietnamese lose to? France? No. Americans? Not strategically. Cambodia? No.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Weird how China always has everyone outnumbered a hundred to one and yet keeps losing so fucking badly when push comes to shove. China hasnt defeated a foreign power in the field for 500 years. They lost to the fucking post war Vietnamese. The POST WAR Vietnamese.

              America could’ve won Vietnam, and they decimated the Vietnamese, but they just decided it wasn’t worth it. However, the Vietnamese victory over the Chinese immediately post-US perplexes me

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They summoned the heroes of old back to life and had them lead the charge.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Honestly must have. Hope they stayed to watch China get fucking punji-sticked by Vietnam once again

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >America could’ve won Vietnam, and they decimated the Vietnamese, but they just decided it wasn’t worth it.
                Yeah okay, people keep saying this but how many forever wars were there with 3rd world shitholes since Vietnam? Every war is fought under political restraints, always have, still is, and always will be.

                It's one thing to get pulverized into the stone age and hold on via massive ten to one attrition and civilian guerillas, and it's another thing to, after doing all of that, after your national army has literally collapsed, soundly embarrass a supposed world power leaping upon your corpse.

                Vietnam has a proud history of getting the shit beaten out of it in the field and claiming victory when the enemy moves on, but China invaded like the week after we left and still got their asses kicked.

                Look man my purpose isn't to apologize for some country, I did say China's performance was embarrassing, but you're speaking in historical fantasy. American withdrew in 1973, Saigon fell in 1975, China invaded in 1979. Vietnam had literal years to consolidate their gains and reorganize, they HAD to reorganize a strong army to even take Saigon. To say their army collapsed and they were invaded "like the week after" is pure delusion.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                America could not have won Vietnam because the entire half of the country they needed to take they weren't allowed to take
                everytime an American boot stepped near the North Vietnam border the entire Red Bloc went REEEEEEEEEEEEE
                no suit in charge wanted another Korean War intervention so they pussied out and hoped they could train a country they are supporting to fight for themselves, until they realized they can't, so they left
                a lesson they will be doomed to repeat for future generations

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              It's one thing to get pulverized into the stone age and hold on via massive ten to one attrition and civilian guerillas, and it's another thing to, after doing all of that, after your national army has literally collapsed, soundly embarrass a supposed world power leaping upon your corpse.

              Vietnam has a proud history of getting the shit beaten out of it in the field and claiming victory when the enemy moves on, but China invaded like the week after we left and still got their asses kicked.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The Vietnamese are tough sons of bitches.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                China simply doesn't let anything get in the way of their time-honored tradition of losing at war

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            They won in Korea you retarded muttoid

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          A billion Chinese realistically has the same total fighting power as maybe 2 small British destroyers. Maybe 3 if we assume their reforms were effective.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          How are you supposed to unload thousands of troops on a rocky island under enemy fire? USA or not this would be a disaster. Even formthe USA it would.ve tough as fuck

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yup they can just swim over like ants

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >China has a billion people
          Which almost exclusively rely on rice and fish to live. It's almost like its been known for a long time that when attacking China, a country must destroy their fishing fleet and burn their rice fields.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You’re a dumbass

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/ygNArC3.png

      like russian military did to ukraine but without usa and westoids handouts ?

      I feel like they would win but it'd be a impiric victory. The Taiwanese don't want to join the United States and they're kind of content with this situation where they're not recognized by any Nation that matters and they give preferential trade deals to China.

      Taiwan has a shit ton of missiles and China does not have the ability to shoot down even one third of them. That 100 mi stretch of ocean with modern missiles would be a fucking joke lol. Like I mean millions of people would die millions and millions maybe even 10 million people it's totally reasonable. I think it's safe to say that 500,000 would die just in the straight crossing. Conceivably it could be 2 million because we have seen examples in history where entire armies were destroyed in a straight crossing

      Then Taiwan is split up into the two most difficult types of terrain Urban terrain makes up 50% of the island then mountains make up the other 50% of the island. And unlike Afghanistan those mountains are covered in trees which give cover from surveillance and air strikes. Meaning China would have to burn them down. that would take maybe a year to 6 months depending on how committed they were.

      Then finally once they take the island it would have to deal with insurgencies for an indetermined amount of time it's conceivable that even if they could take Taiwan. The sanctions, the cost of the war politically and monetarily. As well as the population crisis in China would totally destroy it and you'd see a break up into a bunch of warlords again. Like it has 12 different times

      If NATO joined we would just blockade them here and they'd starve to death. China is basically a landlocked country, surrounded by mostly enemies if they don't control Pacific Islands

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      China has a billion people and money. I like Japan but could they repel a full Chinese invasion alone? Probably not. US+Japan would cream China though

      >the same people who for the last few months watched a post-communist shithole crash and burn as a supposed superpower now turn around and tell you that this other communist shithole is actually the real deal

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Amerimutts would intervene on behalf of Japs
      lmao no

      theyd just scam the last penny out of Japan and dump some obsolete arms to maximimize damage on both sides and prolong the war.

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Neither china, japan, or the us are dumb enough to cause a global economic collapse, one that would set back humanity hundreds of years of scientific advancement into the dark ages.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >situation
    There are no realistic situation in a invasion of japan. Do you know how many military bases that the U.S. has in japan? Along with a copious amount of US special forces groups that are stationed there. Its impossible for a situation of like you said because its unavoidable to have a face off with US army and marine corps that are stationed there for that exact situation.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You're dumb as hell if you think Japan doesn't have secret giant mechas for just this occasion.
    Think it through- Japan's treaty says Japan can defend itself and US must defend Japan through mutual cooperation. Japan's constitution say it will "never again maintain "land, sea, or air forces or another war potential." Giant robots is NONE of those. It's only for defense, they can be built without any potential to generate war. The US provides the skunkworks and the science, the Japs supply the facilities and the technology, and bam, a few dozen of these bad boys go straight to work the minute China makes a move.
    The only fictional part of Pacific Rim was the kaiju. In real life, the kaiju is China, and the Jagers are waiting for it
    >Cast in the Name of God Ye Not Guilty

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Japan's constitution say it will "never again maintain "land, sea, or air forces or another war potential." Giant robots is NONE of those
      It was right in front of us this whole time. Why didn't we see it?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        There is a to scale RX-78-2 in the middle of a park in Tokyo. All it needs is the reactor.

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >without usa and westoids handouts ?
    Won't happen
    America is actually more likely to get directly involved in this situation

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I think so too. All this is hypothetical assuming nuclear weapons do not exist

      About the only thing that can make it feels like is this China allied themselves directly with Russia and Iran perhaps even with a bunch of African countries as well. I think minus turkey our Middle Eastern allies could hold the line against Iran. As well as Spain Italy Greece controlling the important parts of north Africa. I could even see the traitorous garden gnomes in Israel finally living up to their propaganda name "our greatest Ally" and joining the Muslims against iran, with the Saudis & Kuwait.

      Mostly action would probably happened in the in the Korean/kamchatka peninsula. Australia the United States Britain and Germany would be the war leaders. we would probably win

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >without usa and westoids handouts ?
    Do you have any idea how much shit the US has sequestered away in Japan?
    All that aid and handouts are already there, waiting for deployment to any of the potential conflict zones in the region.

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    China would get it's teeth knocked out and limp home.
    The proposed scenario is flawed in that the US intervenes no matter what, and the Sorks and Taiwanese would probably join in after the initial blows.

    Invading Taiwan would be a Pyrrhic Prospect on it's own regardless if the chinese would win or not. The Japs for all the weeb shit would absolutely make the chinks wish they were invading Taiwan instead before they even had a chance to get to shore.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      US intervention is guaranteed, Taiwan controls roughly 80% of the semiconductor market. The entire global economy is dependent on Taiwan for semiconductors any disruption to the supply of semiconductors will cause a global recession. Taiwan's stranglehold on the semiconductor market is a national security issue for the US.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >without usa and westoids handouts
    Is this the new "no nooks" scenario?

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    In a chinese made video game

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There is no scenario that China could invade Japan without it escalating to a full-scale global war that results in complete devastation of China as a country.
    Japan will have in their corner:
    its own "MSDF" (arguably the world's no. 2 navy)
    The USN 7th fleet
    Lots more USN and USMC support
    Australia
    Thailand
    India
    South Korea (yes, despite what the Korean shill here will tell you, there is no reasonable scenario where Japan and SK would not get involved if China attacks the other)
    A UK expeditionary force
    Maybe even Indonesia and some others

    On top of that, China needs not tens, but hundreds of thousands of Marines and mechanized infantry across hundreds of landing ships who will storm the heavily mountainous and urbanized country with heavy coastal defenses, an utter shitload of minelayers, and world-class aviation.
    And for what? A country without resources?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Bait or retard?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Nice argument, moron.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >South Korea
      Tell me how you are going to prevent the US forces in Korea from intervening in the conflict with as many as 90 F-16 stationed there, then we'll talk.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Read my post, retard.
        South Korea will be on team Japan in a theoretical conflict between Japan and China. Your post further proves my point.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Unleash North Korea.

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    As a Filipino, fuck China. Fuck Duterte for sucking Chinese cock. Don’t let the news fool you, Filipinos people are Americas ally.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Fuck off yank

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Aw, thanks Flip. We think you're neato too.

      luv,
      murica

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I will slaughter my way through as many chinese as I have to in order to safely exfil Hitomi Tanaka. For her I will murder chinks so hard that the image of me is ingrained in their collective unconscious as the grim reaper. Until the end of time their vision of death will be a mildly overweight white dude in a Superman t shirt and blue jeans.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      fucking kek, here's your (you) anon
      Godspeed, may Hitomi smile on your vengeful slaughter.

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    We have a defense treaty with Japan you dumb fucking ESL IQ-80 shitbird.

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Just imagine

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      In a morbid way, I really do wonder what a modern war between superpowers (no nukes) would look like. The first time I went to Japan a random thought of
      >Wow this city would look cool on fire and being bombed
      Popped into my head

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Cities are evil, all they do is suck in resources and shit out anti gun legislation.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Wow this city would look cool on fire and being bombed
        Well, just look at Ukraine. Fairly big cities been contested there. Even relatively small Mariupol (400k) completely cut off from the mainland became a complete sloughterhouse to fight in, not much fires actually, just the rubble, mud, corpses and ruins. Cities bigger than that can't be even effectievly sieged without such a shitload of forces that even modern superpowers don't oparate, battles would be probably already stalled still somewhere on the outskirts, at least that what happened to Kyiv, Chernihiv, Kharkiv, etc.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        My grandpa was on one of the first lci ships to enter the harbor of Nagasaki after the bomb dropped.
        He fished a book out of the ocean that I still have, it's a book on power plants. The first few pages are clearly burnt and cracked by heat.
        I only really talked to him about his experiences in Japan proper a few times, he was part of what he called "the clean up crew".
        He said the entire port, even far from shore, smelled like death. Like you'd just found a mountain lion's kill zone when you were walking through the woods, and it just made the hair on the back of your neck stand straight up.
        He said he saw many people who were shuffling around barely hanging on to life, and you just knew in your heart that there was something irreparably wrong with them.
        I don't think he ever forgave the government for the nukes. It was just to much for him to rationalize.
        I think he saw it as a true form of hell on earth.
        He never ate rice his entire life I knew him, wouldn't sit inside a Japanese car.
        He did his absolute best to avoid anything related to Japan at all and only really opened up to me about it in his final years.
        Hopefully it gave him some sort of peace.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          So, he hated the gov't for lying to the people and letting the war get to that point?
          People go on about Japan's blind devotion to the war effort but there's a bit I've read that people kinda knew things weren't going right
          I remember something about someone recalling how the victories started getting closer and closer
          You don't hear much about the average Japanese person's view of the war.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Ben? Is that you? Didn't you firebomb your ancestors enough during the War?

        Never forget the time the US had a Japanese-American fire bomb Tokyo and cause the deaths of thousands of his ancestors.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      In a morbid way, I really do wonder what a modern war between superpowers (no nukes) would look like. The first time I went to Japan a random thought of
      >Wow this city would look cool on fire and being bombed
      Popped into my head

      Someone post the edit of the scared and confused russians next to a BMP in Shibuya or wherever lol

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      TWO MORE NUKES!

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    People need to remember: Japanese people embraced defeat because they had suffered for centuries under excessive militarism and because they had grown to emulate and admire the white man, so they knew that the Americans would give them a fair shake when the chips are down.
    China doesn't have these on their side. Everybody knows that the Chinese will not adopt a "dust them off and put them back on their feet" approach, and the people are not suffering under yet another shogunate. Have fun trying to manage 100 million potential insurgents.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I still can’t believe how quickly Japan became America’s best friend. Great people over there btw. I feel bad that so many of them were assholes in WWII

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The IJA and IJN were in a sense enemies of the people who snatched away their nascent democracy and flushed their lives down the toilet. If that weren't the case, I don't think we would have got such a happy ending.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I still can’t believe how quickly Japan became America’s best friend. Great people over there btw. I feel bad that so many of them were assholes in WWII

      If you're going to lose a war, america is honestly probably the best country that you could lose to
      >United States of Smashes you into the earth's crust
      >plucks you out of the looney tunes-style outline of yourself crater and gives you a quick flap to spring you back into 3D, apparently no more worse for the wear aside from some dirt and scuffs
      >takes you to the mcdonalds they built in the few moments you were in the hole for a quarter pounder and a mcflurry on them

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Even if China lands on Japanese soil, how the fuck do you secure a sprawl like Tokyo?

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Japan could take on China without the US
    >Taiwan could take on China without the US
    On one hand I hope this war is something that somehow doesn't happen this century, on the other, Americans are delusional and I want to see them cope like the Russians have during this war.

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why isn't there a PaTO to make China perpetually seethe the way Russia seethes about NATO?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Mutts are perpetually trying to create one after drinking their own propaganda coolaid about "everyone hating China" and "China vs East Asia".

      But the objective reality is that everyone just generally hates their neighbours in Asia and even after decades of brainwashing and reducation and media manipulation, everyone with a pair of intact balls still hates Japs the most and knows they are the garden gnomes of Asia no matter how much mutts seethe and cope about it.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Everyone relevant in east Asia does hate China though. The reason there is no pacific NATO is because the US finds a bilateral treaty system for each ally much more useful. NATO works because europoors don't despise each other and actually cooperate. Asian NATO would be a nightmare to organize, imagine trying to get japs and koreans to work together.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Everyone relevant in east Asia does hate China though.
          This what mutt believe, you live in a media bubble.
          Indonesian defense minister told in usa face that future of Asia economy depends on China and that we don't need you.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Indonesia
            >Relevant
            >East Asia
            wumao reading comprehension

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Invading Taiwan would involve China pulling off a hundred D-Day scale naval invasions simultaneously.
    Japan would be 4-500. Across a larger distance.
    It would not fucking happen, even if the US wasn't a factor.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Invading Taiwan would involve China pulling off a hundred D-Day scale naval invasions simultaneously.
      using that analogy china also has to manage to conceal the landing zones. it only gets better and better

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It'd be easier to conceal what ISN'T a landing zone.

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Japan is basically Bongland combined with Sweden/Norway geographically, even if their population was a half of what it currently was they could easily repel any invasion because the terrain is actually just that shit for war
    If it wasn't an island, maybe China could, but nope lol

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      > Half of Japan is tropical with indigenous monkeys

      From a Koppen climate classification perspective Japan is half southern China and half Germany, Poland, Ukraine

      Northern coasts have mountains, southern coast are largely flat forested plains

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        what the fuck is going on in the Russian Far East
        I know it's not half as flat as everyone makes it out to be but that's some fucked up climate geography

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    China carpet bomb japs.
    US won't do shit. They didn't do shit when china took control of diaoyu islands, which are under the defense pact

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Tokyo would capitulate. The PLA has a decisive standoff munitions advantage.

  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Here's a Japanese Helicopter landing on a Japanese Destroyer.

  24. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >most realistic situation if
    Proceeds to give the most unrealistic and retarded hypothetical.

  25. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    in regards to the military performance, it comes from the culture of the nation. In Asian culture, there's very little individuality, which is an organizational trait that can be exploited. Not as easily as say, stupidity, but there are factors related that play into the form and function of how nations wage war.

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