Aside from projectile weapons or fixed contraptions such as guillotines or hanging posts, what are the most effective weapons or tools for carrying out an execution?
Most effective execution tool
Aside from projectile weapons or fixed contraptions such as guillotines or hanging posts, what are the most effective weapons or tools for carrying out an execution?
>Head on tree stump
>Heavy sword or axe swung by competent executioner
It was done this way for centuries, and still is in certain parts of the world. Other than that, if you are sadistic and don't mind a torturous death, there is also several forms of asphyxiation, such as drowning, or tying a rope around the neck and inserting a stick or rod under the rope and twisting it to tighten the rope, thus strangling your victim without having to use much body strength. It's a technique a lot of serial killers used, because they simply had to twist the stick and then hold it in place, freeing them to molest their dying victim with their other hand, or with their mouth. Sick shit.
By the axe or sword example, what design or style of axe/sword would be best for lobbing someones head off?
Is this for a school project?
something sharpened for a single cut, and made heavy.
if you want to talk about exotic/fantasy shit, I remember a square (no tip, only edges) executioner sword that had a hollow cavity partially filled with mercury so its weight would shift.
Easier to hold it up dramatically, but a swing would shift that weight back to the end for a heavier blow.
>the liquid mercury sliding weight legend
any culture with the wherewithal to bore a channel through a meter of steel is going to know that this is a stupid idea.
I am aware.
This was an older fantasy novel and involved an order of executioners who took their job seriously and had special ceremonial shit and culture going on.
Frankly I can easily see it being done purely to make the sword mysterious and exotic for people not in the know.
Pulled out the book. They were "torturers" I think?
Its a combo release of two books
The Shadow of the Torturer & The Claw of the Conqueror.
There's two more books after those, The Sword of the Lictor and The Citadel of the Autarch.
Don't forget the series finale, Hugbox of the Autismo
I have them as well. I don't remember anything of the story, though.
>tfw intellectually filtered from understanding that series
That last scene with the mirrors and space time and whatever broke me.
I don't think anyone actually understands Gene Wolfe.
It's a sci-fi story set so far in the future that humanity has regressed to a kind of pseudo-feudalism. The sword with mercury (or "hydrargentium") inside it is described in the same tones as interstellar spacecraft, as a relic of a more enlightened age.
executioner sword
my ancestors smile on me imperials, can you say the same?
>garroting
Also, if you know what you're doing, frightening fast and effective. About three seconds to total incapacitation, so long as you don't fuck it up.
>everyone just stands there and watches
>eventually decide to help
>start pulling the wire tighter
bug people always amaze me
Bystander effect is real and everywhere.
What the FUCK is wrong with East Asians?
Why are they so socially retarded?
Same thing would likely happen in the west. People are domesticated.
I heard with Chinese people that there’s a big problem with scammers. A guy will pretend to get hurt, someone comes to help, “ouchie!! You hurt me! You hurt me! I’m suing you!” Then they get sued for gorillian bazillion dollars. It could be that type of situation. They thought it was fake at first then said “damn! We gotta help this young fellow!” Then they tried to help but probably failed
Still, there has to be something wrong with your organism to not be alerted by the quick footsteps in the relative calm - the sudden violent stop and then the obvious signs of struggle. I watched the webm and was wondering; when is someone going to step in with strikes and start to stop this nonsense?
Either the anon talking about chinks suing each other is right (I hope to doubt it), or chinks have truly been brutalised past the point of keeping basic awareness for the safety of other humans at the front of their mind.
>t. Lived in China
(it's option 2 btw)
Fucking context? Who just garrotes someone out of the blue in a factory?
It's China. He probably /misc/ posted and CCP took him out. Be honest, if an American cop was strangling a man to death no bystander would help. Now imagine the cop is a CCP hitman and you're in commie China.
I like how they're all standing around like "are we supposed to be strangling each other until the pink guy comes in.
This is what happens when an entire nation of people grow up with 0 exposure to violence (child abuse from retarded Chinese parents doesn't count).
Problem with that was that the executioner got stigma and was ostracized from the society. Then you got problems with executioner coming up late and drunk and not finishing the job with one swing.
It depends what you look for in a execution. If your objective is to end someones life quickly a big ol' axe and chopping block would do the trick. If you want to shame and then kill a person stoning is very effective
My dick
Could you hypothetically execute someone by deepthroating them to death?
I mean if it asphyxiates them then yes.
Wouldn't you have to have a pretty big dick to do it though
Probably, but you'd have to not wank for about a week and aim for the windpipe.
im pretty sure there's no way you're gonna suck a guy's dick til he dies, anon
Probably yeah
Yes. Pic related.
Stainless steel dildo with gun/captive bolt/electrical contacts. Trigger in the glans. Tip hits back of throat to activate.
The main problem is it leaves no head. Civilized people usually want an intact body to bury/cremate, even if they wanted the person dead. Primitive/uncivilized people may want to keep the skull/scalp as a trophy. Either way they want a head.
Why is that a case against it? People are always whining that capital punishment is "inhumane". That's about as humane as it gets.
I find it so bizarre that that would be so important to someone. I kind of feel like you're banning the person from life. From living, they did something so bad in your mind that they no longer deserve to share oxygen with the rest of us. Quick, cheap, efficient, effective. But not good enough because the bloodsuckers/self righteous twats want a fucking trophy?
I'll never understand. The person needs to die for some reason or another and you want the best possible tool for the job. You don't necessarily want them to suffer for some extended period, you just want a clean kill. My mind goes straight to big heavy hard object, sturdy head paste bag for easy cleanup.
But nooo you have to see the light leave their eyes and watch their face contort as their head comes off. I would argue head crushing is way more humane.
Obviously the most humane thing would be an explosive device that instantly atomizes the entire brain, engineered to be faster than the human nervous system can perceive, or some other tricky way that kills all brain cells quickly without fear or pain. That sort of thing involves more science and less practicality.
Okay you want them to be scared and freaked out before they die, sure. Maybe you think they deserve it or something for what they did to you or society, so yeah makes sense. But do they have to suffer a prolonged painful and terrifying death? Probably not. Just ban them from the server.
Head crusher, man.
>explosive device that instantly atomizes the entire brain
You may be onto something here. A very precisely calibrated shaped charge on the back of the head could probably do it.
Probably not the back of the head, definitely you want one on the back of the head but you probably want one directed at every other part of the brain too. There could be a little bit of perception capable brain matter left over if you simply destroy the primitive brain.
It wouldn't be "alive" for very long considering the traumatic destruction of vital parts necessary for conscious thought and perception. But still, you don't want any of them left over to cry about it. So you obliterate the whole thing as fast as possible.
This is such needless overkill no pun intended. People aren't conscious or feeling anything after their head is chopped off, at worst it'd be a second of disoriented shock and then oblivion
They 100% are, the entire brain is intact and you are waiting for blood pressure to drop inside of the brain so that the person goes unconscious. That takes a few seconds. Obviously you quickly go unconscious but think about this, how long can you hold your breath and not immediately go unconscious? A pretty fucking long time. It's not oxygen that's the limiting factor here, its blood loss and blood pressure. Plenty of people have lost all feeling below the neck and they live unassisted from breathing machines and pacemakers. Why?
When you chop someones head off they feel like they can't breath or speak and then the blood drains from their heads neck stump and they lose consciousness. You don't black out the moment your head is severed. There is conscious thought for a period before brain death occurs due to cell death and irreversible brain damage occurs after 3–6 minutes with no oxygen, due to excitotoxicity. It takes 10 full seconds of no circulating or oxygenated blood, to go unconscious. The person is suffering for up to 10 seconds not being able to breath, scream or do anything besides contort their face or grind their teeth.
I suppose it would also depend on the exact position of the guillotine, but traditionally the spinal cord is severed and not the medulla. The medulla is the most critical part of the brain. Regulates blood pressure, heart rate and breathing, transfers neural messages from the brain to the spinal cord. The spinal cord is not even severed at the point where it connects to the brain. You still have some spinal cord leftover in a regular beheading.
You can look it up yourself, if you decapitate a rat you can get EEG readings off them for like 13 seconds. That's a much smaller mammal than a human being.
>They 100% are
None of what you typed remotely justifies the assertion that a severed head can retain full conscious awareness and feel pain. Taking a while to fully expire is not the same as that. It's just the last base-instinctual signals of autonomic reaction, prolonged spasms after a traumatic injury. People sometimes spaz out after getting knocked unconscious, but they don't remember that when they wake up. It's just getting your head chopped clean off isn't something you wake up from.
This is ridiculous. I could pull up some old paper stating plants can "feel" pain and have an emotional reaction to Mozart, or any other idle musing turned pop science. It's just bullshit draped in fact to make it sound less like bullshit.
>The main problem is it leaves no head. Civilized people usually want an intact body to bury/cremate, even if they wanted the person dead. Primitive/uncivilized people may want to keep the skull/scalp as a trophy. Either way they want a head.
Use bigger stone. Crush everything but the head.
You could pull your pants down and make them cringe to death
If you have access to a very high place, such as a cliff or a building, simply throwing someone out of a window (defenestration) or off the cliff will kill them 100% of the time and they are dead the instant they hit the ground. A really strong poison will also kill every time.
>off the cliff will kill them 100% of the time and they are dead the instant they hit the ground
Good enough for the Romans, good enough for me
Most Roman executions were strangulation.
Tarpeian Rock was only the most heinous crimes
The main executioner of the third reich who then was employed to execute his former bosses for the Nuremberg trials said there was nothing better and faster than the guillotine.
Hanging, when done properly (!) is also up there.
tl;dr: A falling blade and a rope
>The main executioner of the third reich who then was employed to execute his former bosses for the Nuremberg trials said there was nothing better and faster than the guillotine
Stop spreading bullshit. There wasn't a German executioner at the Nuremberg trials.
It was an Allied one you dumbfuck.
And he was a completely dumbass who failed at giving the Nazis a merciful death (not that they deserved anyway).
He botched their hangings.
He was called John C. Woods.
The (modern) Western protocols for hanging almost require that you torture the condemned to death. The root of the problem is the false sense of self-righteousness that comes with trying to be more woke than spending 3 IQ points to think through exactly what needs to be done.
Old style hangings didn't (usually) involve a drop through a trap door to snap the neck. They almost universally involved tying a rope around someone's neck & lifting them up off the ground by the rope. This involves a person struggling & kicking while the rope slowly garrots them, all sorts of spasms and facial contortions & squirting shit & piss everywhere.
The first thing the greenhairs did was put a hood on the victim so they don't have to see their faces. Now that the unpleasant is covered, it clearly doesn't happen. Binding their arms & legs was part of this, because who wants to watch someone flailing around on the end of a rope for 15 or 20 minutes? (yes, I know you edgy homosexuals think that would be cool, but it gets old halfway through the first time you watch that)
Then it was noticed that if someone's neck was broken, you didn't have to watch & listen to all that unpleasant stuff. A bound & hooded thing falls like a sack of grain, its neck snaps, and it just hangs there inert. You don't have to watch its face while it swings, paralyzed, & takes 15 to 20 minutes to finish dying.
But, if you drop them from too high, then they get all Saddam Hussein about it & their head pops off. Really unpleasant, especially for the kids & your girlfriend you brought along for the spectacle. So, a hangman's job requires a perfect drop: far enough & tied just right to break the neck instantly & cause total paralysis, not too far that the head pops off. Entertainment Unlocked.
I have no doubt that Woods probably did a lot of psychopathic nasty on purpose, though. Nobody fucks that many up without learning the correct method.
>Nobody fucks that many up without learning the correct method.
You really haven't gotten enough exposure to government employees who stumbled into their position and never had anyone properly assess their credentials, have you? Nothing more consistent than some retard who has job security and a lazy disposition.
Go fuck yourself. I am a government employee. I am a, and I work with, dedicated professionals who bust their fucking balls all day every day for parasites like (You). When it comes to cutting deadweight in our society, it's people like (You) who should be first on the chopping block. Motherfucker.
>lives off of other peoples taxes
>has the call to call others parasites and dead weight
would you do might be essential and done the best it can be, but you still get a paycheck because of people like that other annon
I was talking about a specific type, which I sometimes encountered when I was a goddamn government employee. But considering the massive chimpout, I can guess that either you or some of your buddies are some of those useless fucks who would be laughed out of a job interview if they ever had to reapply for their current job. A bunch of fuckers who management never ended up kicking to the curb because "they've been here for ages" and "they're practically part of the furniture", even though they haven't done their job in 15 years and coast along on the work of new hires that have to pick up their slack along with their normal workload.
Why so much pride in your work? Aren’t you just some paper pusher
Nta but kys you fucking parasite. Lazy ass probably lives off gov cheese and then asks people why they have a work ethic. You are the problem.
>you just some paper pusher
No.
It exists, but it varies depending on country as there are different standards of hanging
>I have no doubt that Woods probably did a lot of psychopathic nasty on purpose, though. Nobody fucks that many up without learning the correct method.
I don't believe in this. The guy was just a alcoholic retarded who thought he would get a promotion by having a job as the Army executioner.
Did you even read how he died?
>While serving with the 7th Engineer Brigade in Enewetak Atoll, Marshall Islands, on July 21, 1950, Woods died after accidentally electrocuting himself while attempting to repair an engineer lighting set.
Guy was completely dumbass.
I think it’s demonic people try tried to lie to themselves about the inherent barbarity of what they where doing. I’m not mad about the killing itself but they clearly didn’t see what they were doing as right (either be it the method or the actual killing itself) because they couldn’t bear it. But instead of changing the action itself they try to hide the result. It’s cowardly. And you see it today with the injection. Shit doesn’t work half the time and it could be extremely painful but we don’t know or care because it paralyzes them. The dishonesty in such fundamental, worldly, and permanent act is gross.
>demonic
>>>/x/
I'm sure I saw there were math tables to get the hanging just right. With weight and height as input, and length of drop as an output. Im sure it is out there in google.
Your pictures shows strangulation, you discribe execution with a garrot NOT hanging. Do you actually know what the word "hanging" means? I think we all know who is low on IQ here.
>The (modern) Western protocols for hanging almost require that you torture the condemned to death
This is not true at all, a properly executed (lel) hanging is incredibly fast and humane. I can recommend Albert Pierrepoint's autobiography if you are interested in how its done correctly
you are an idiot.
there were two ways to hang someone
broken neck, or slow stranglulation.
and when you had them die slow you didn't bind their feet and arms.
You DID want people to watch them "dance their jig" idiot.
There are plenty of literary references to the morbid dance a hanging victims feet would do when they died slow.
The entire POINT of those old executions was for it to be spectacle.
That is why you had people gather.
To see justice carried out, and to instill respect for the law into people in a rather crude but effective fashion.
And if you were someone who suffered from the person getting hung, maybe you got some sort of vindication from watching them die.
Thats how it was.
>respect for the law
Crowds gathered for executions just to watch free snuff theatre, often it was a whole elaborate spectacle
Also, sometimes the condemned was either a powerfull, well known, infamous, or even popular figure, etc... so it was a popular event
Other times the gathering was compulsory
Note this line:
>The entire POINT of those old executions was for it to be spectacle
But thanks for the elaboration.
What kind of stupid fairy tale is this? "Main Executioner" for the Nuremberg trials was Master Seargeant John C. Woods. An amerifag. Who was incredibly incompetent or deliberately tortured his delinquents to death by using too short ropes and a too small trapdoor. Jodl dies after 18 min. Keitel even after 24 min.
Ooops sorry, mixed him up there.
He just executed some randos in Landsberg am Lech.
I probably thought of him allegedly teaching woods how hanging works.
And nothing other than a severe alcoholic.
Jesus says that people who hurt children should be executed by drowning. A millstone around the neck, thrown into the sea.
I think a double stack 1911 in 45 ACP is suitable for summary execution in wartime, but too merciful for people who hurt children.
This is a suitable execution for the Epstein types after the Revolution, yet many offenders flee to the zionist nation to avoid prosecution.
Not exactly, Christ says "it would be better for him", meaning that you would be better off being drowned than to suffer the fate of those who debauch children.
Captcha: N4GGAR
If some dude has decided the Bible says you should drown people for offending children who believe in Jesus, you're probably not going to be able to reason with him.
>offending
Huh? Various translations say causing them to sin, or leading them astray, but how did you get offending?
(You) must be 18 years or older to access this website.
Directly from the words on the image the guy that you initially responded to posted.
>I think a double stack 1911 in 45 ACP is suitable for summary execution in wartime, but too merciful for people who hurt children.
Just shoot them in the stomach a couple of times and leave them be.
The fact that you don't know the context makes me believe you are in fact a true blue evangelical Christian.
That verse is about your Satanic preacher who tells you to hate in the name of Christ. You are the 'little one'.
>teaching them to hate
Teaching them to sin you faggoid. As in purposefully miss teaching and malevolent manipulation to spread sin or hide the truth of the Lord Jesus Christ.
You will know them by their (you)’s.
he is not one of the little ones. he is not a christian.
Anything that effectively destroys the cerebellum & arbor vitae, quickly. Preferably, also inflicts massive traumatic, critical damage to the midbrain and hypothalamus/thalamus. The Aztecs would execute prisoners by clubbing them directly in the cerebellum/arbor vitae mass with a heavy war club embedded with sharpened obsidian. Trotsky was assassinated when someone shoved an ice pick through that mass, aiming toward the hypothalamus/thalamus. Famously, any gunshot along this path inflicts the required damage. Suicides are usually trying to shoot through the pons & temporal lobe of the cerebral hemisphere into/through the arbor vitae, but they often don't know that or exactly how to hit it. So that's one way to fail at suicide, by missing that zone through ignorance or flinching.
Look at the horizontal line that points out the arbor vitae from the right, and the line that points out the pituitary gland from the left. If you were orienting someone for the guillotine, you would want to have the blade pass directly through this zone for the most "perfect" cut (same zone for a bullet's path in either direction). If you were a samurai executing someone with a sword, again, the same optimal cut zone. Maximum damage directly & instantly to the segments of the brain that control all body functions. Instant shutdown.
However, that cut is so high up in the base of the skull that you would sheer off the lower jaw almost into the nasal cavity ... so, beheadings cut lower, more where the actual spinal cord transitions into the medulla oblongata. Technically, it is speculated that (some) humans can survive that injury long enough to understand what is happening to them ... before their head passes out from loss of blood and finishes dying.
That whole green section is "the lizard brain," the most ancient proto-brain that controls all basic functions. Destroy & sever it with quick, massive trauma (bullet, blade, rock, fist, etc.) and it's all insta-ogre.
Note the actual location of the brain. When you are looking at someone else, it is more obvious that none of your brain is behind your jaw hinge, it's all above it. Notice the lower brain is about level with the bottom of your nose. Traditional execution methods with blade and guillotine avoid this zone because of the "delicacy" of sheering someone head in half through the sinus cavity. With a guillotine, you'd almost have to sheer through the skull above a person's upper teeth. Obviously, gross and messy ... so they cut the neck through the spinal cord below the jawline, leaving the entire brain intact.
There are numerous reports from old executions of the executioner holding up a severed head and the eyes and mouth continue to move as if the person is still alive for a few more seconds, or even up to about a minute. Modern gore videos also seem to document this effect. We just don't know how much conscious thought continues to remain active at this point
So, it seems the Aztecs had THE most effective execution method, as a formal legal method in their law by their government, where instant death & obliteration is the primary goal. In formally in more modern times, a bullet to the back of the head does the same thing even more efficiently & reliably.
Having every blood vessel in your neck completely severed is going to do things to your blood pressure though. You cannot maintain consciousness if you don't have any blood in your brain.
Any story of a severed head continuing to move for several minutes is either unconscious muscle twitching, eyewitnesses imagining things, or completely made up.
Spend some time on /gif/ and request gore videos that demonstrate human (or other) heads functioning after they've been severed, or other massive traumatic injury that is about equivalent. It's not made up and they aren't all just "stories," there is documented video evidence. I've seen it myself a few dozen times over the years.
How you personally want to interpret that is your problem, and there are certified, professional medical doctors that strongly disagree with the interpretations that you posted. There is a lot more context & questions here than just MUH BLOODS PRESSURE!!!
>Spend some time on /gif/
What fool would do such a thing?
I've got a gif for you right here
Guillotine or hanging from gallows is the most efficient. Imagine someone said you have to execute 1,000 satanic israelites by the end of today. You'd be tired if not unable to complete this godly task after so many swings. Guillotine and gallows only take the amount of effort required to build them, then they can execute a huge amount of people before needing servicing. Of course, they require some degree of compliance, so the rest just shoot, stab, or club them.
Aztecs also ate all those people they "sacrificed" and most they tortured to make the meat more full of blood and adrenaline/vitamins. Look up cannibalism in pre-Columbian America.
>However, that cut is so high up in the base of the skull that you would sheer off the lower jaw almost into the nasal cavity ... so, beheadings cut lower, more where the actual spinal cord transitions into the medulla oblongata. Technically, it is speculated that (some) humans can survive that injury long enough to understand what is happening to them ... before their head passes out from loss of blood and finishes dying.
I recall during the french revolution there were some accounts of the freshly chopped off head blinking once or twice right after it stopped falling and was looking at the crowd
I saw a video of some muslims where a guy with a sword lops off some dudes head and picks it up by the hair, and the eyes are looking around while the mouth moves, and over the course of a few seconds it slows to a stop like running out of batteries.
There are a lot of videos I kind of wish I never watched
Yeah. that's what I was referring to. There are quite a number of accounts over the year years. Some indicate the heads seemed to be trying to talk, actively moving their mouths. Some executioners would pick the head up and display it to the audience, I don't know if that was some formality to demonstrate the identity of the executed.
I can attest to watching various gore videos over the years where I've seen freshly severed heads from car accidents and cartel beheadings. Some of them are definitely moving their eyes, sweeping them from side to side and seemingly getting one last look around. I don't recall seeing anyone trying to talk, but the facial muscles still seem to function and create recognizable expressions. One in particular stands out where a girl is beheaded in a cartel killing. they immediately hold her head up and her eyes are darting around looking, she seems horrified and trying to scream but only her eyes and some upper facial muscles can move. I've never been able to convince myself that is an illusion.
The issue, I think, is that sometimes a cut is so quick (like a guillotine) through something like the spinal cord with no or very little collateral damage. The brain remains undamaged long enough to retain at least some consciousness until the last bits of oxygen are consumed. Which, if true, is funny in a way. The guillotine is often held up as an example of "the most" humane execution method "ever developed," but that may be relative to all the other execution methods known up until that time. And, it might not be as effective as a bullet to the back of the head. In fact, almost certainly not. Just close, and less messy for the executioners.
Today we use a massive electric shock to the brainstem to slaughter food animals ... that may be the "most" efficient (and least messy) method developed to date.
>trying to talk
I imagine it would be attempts to scream in pain as for the first moments the brain is aware what the nerve signals are sending, particularly whats left of the spinal cord. Imagine the pain
This does open some interesting scenarios though for plausible futurism. If you could blunt the nerve endings on the cut and keep supplying the brain with necessary nutritions and oxygen could you keep the head alive for the remainder of its natural lifespan. As medical tech advances there are more then enough despots in the world who would love to keep a collection of their beheaded enemies that are still alive and fully ware where they are
The Soviets did experiments with severed dog heads that are kind of depressing but also interesting.
Professor Dowell's Head
Why is his head so special?
>The guillotine is often held up as an example of "the most" humane execution
Consider that before guillotines you had some guy with an axe having a go at your neck. Some places had professional executioners, some places did not. Throughout history there are tales of beheadings taking several whacks to get the job done because the dipshit weilding the axe kept fucking it up. A machine to control all the variables and quickly remove the head the first time every time would definitely seem more humane.
Guillotines fucked up too sometimes, the first models especially. There were later improvements such as a diagonally shaped blade with weights on top, which had a much higher chance of beheading someone in one go.
>t. French
My class designed a working guillotine in half a day for a homecoming float. Start to finish 5 hours with about $150 of material. Wooden blade.
Real simple stuff, although at this point in history, these children have the education that kings of old could only dream of. Anyway, what im trying to say, there will be no shortage of guillotines in the upcoming cataclysm.
>My class designed a working guillotine in half a day for a homecoming float.
>working guillotine
>for a homecoming float
nagger what?
That Homecoming float was an enemy of the third estate. The people justly demanded its execution. And you should refrain from posting counter-revolutionary sentiment in support of the Homecoming float, or as we now refer to it, Citizen float.
eh, imagine how quickly you'd lose blood pressure after being decapitated. these are major arteries, so you'd have seconds before losing concioussness. involoutnary muscle movements would last significantly longer ofc
Very good posts anon.
I think there's enough evidence that people "survive" decapitation for a few seconds. Arguments like
>what if that is just reflexive movement of the eyes, mouth and facial muscles?
Can be rebutted with
>what if every living person except for you has no actual consciousness and is just a zombie?
We don't operate on that logic, it's safer to assume if it looks like a duck etc it's alive.
The guillotine is a perfected decapitation device, assuming decapitation is the most reliable form of execution. But it's not a perfected execution machine based because of that flawed assumption of decapitation = best execution but also cultural taboos against destroying a person's face.
This is a vast improvement, but I think you would still feel the tube going in. The brain itself has no touch sensation, so I think you could destroy it painlessly with negative pressure. Maybe a much smaller tube that drills through the skull and sucks out the brain.
Trotsky lived for a day after he was attacked, he is a poor example unless you want to show how not to do it.
Does it really matter if its "effective"? Just keep trying until the victim dies, you have time.
We can't count the guillotine purely because it cant be beat, it's perfect
Insulin.
>large rock
>an elevation
>splat
The Celts got it right.
Does blowing from a gun count as "projectile weapon"? They mostly used blanks.
Nitrogen. 100% effective. Painless. Easy to administer. Dirt cheap. No mess. Simple as.
.25 ACP
suffocation by a short rope tied around someones neck. Hell you can use big cable ties for that.
Execution by garroting used to be considered "humane" and "efficient." Philippines, circa WWI, a gift the Americans gave to tame the otherwise barbaric behavior of Filipinos. See how much civilized we gave them?
>Americans
>Garroting
The Romans would like a word with you Anon.
Water
Crushing people.
I've seen the execution scene from The Borgias where someone's head got squished in a vice. That didn't look civilised or humane.
the one out of ten dentists
HFCS
captive bolt gun
Starvation.
>t. executes all criminals by this method
Like, why didn't the Nazis do this? Once they had rounded up all the j*ws into concentration camps, they could've simply stopped feeding them...
...or, better yet, after loading them onto cattle cars and hauling them away on the railraod, instead of even bringing them to the camps in the first place, just park the trains on railroad track sidings for a few days, maybe a couple of weeks to be sure that all of the cannibals die, too, then just let nature take it's course?
Why did they bother with the camps? Why didn't they just keep the j*ws locked in train cars, and let them starve to death, die of dehydration and exposure? So much more efficient. Without camps, perhaps millions of soldiers and workers would be freed up to fight the war in earnest.
>Why did they bother with the camps?
Because, despite popular belief to the contrary, the Nazis were incredibly inept and in many cases just straight out dumb (big shock, I'm sure). Which is a very common trait with non-democracies: people get put in positions not because of their perceived skill or ability, but because of their loyalty. Thus, shit and scum floats to the top.
Anyway, the holocaust was a terribly organized shit-show. German precision and engineering, my ass. They were making it up as they went along, chaos along every step. Dirlewanger's Traveling Carnival Of Freaks was just one example. Fucking Rwanda was much, much more efficient in terms of kills/time, and using only primitive technology.
That still doesn't explain the masturbation machines.
Something I was considering the other day was that even if you subscribe to the idea that things in the camps were fine and it was dastardly american bombing that caused the mass starvation, it STILL makes it the germans fault.
>Persecute a minority group
>Now you have to assume the group is going to work against you, since you've persecuted them
>ship them off to camps so they can't work against you
>wind up causing a massacre regardless
>t. sucks pali cocks
next you're going to tell me that people have a moral obligation to allow violent and destructive minorities run wild because 'they live there'
>seething current event nagger demands all conversations be related to him
No, people don't have that obligation. That's why the israelites got ran out of 109 countries (and counting)
they sure did get the cremulators right tho
Rocks.
>rocks are free and do not need to be manufactured
>reusable
>big enough to instantly collapse someones head in one solid smash
>only need one big dude to drop an appropriately sized lifting stone
>maybe level the stone to be flat on the impact side
>don't have stone working tools? just look around in nature until you find a decently flat and heavy rock
>don't live near nature? just find some big old pieces of demolished sidewalk or concrete pieces in town somewhere
>could use tree stump with steel plate on top of it as execution station
>will crush any one persons head perfectly if dropped from proper height
>put sturdy plastic sack of some kind over the head for easy cleanup (bonus points they cant see it coming)
There I did it, cheapest and most effective way to near instantly kill someone. Just need strongest dude you can find, some reusable plastic grocery bags, maybe some metal plate of some kind, doesn't have to be steel, just enough to provide some protection for your tree stump. You don't even need a stump, necessarily. You could use a parking lot or sidewalk or street to conduct your execution.
If you don't have healthy dudes just add malnourished peasants until it works. + the more dudes you have the more often you can lift the stone and conduct the next execution.
With some healthy fellas you could do three executions per minute. 180 per hour, shift change three times a day
4320 executions per day 30,240 executions per week 120,960 executions per month 1,451,520 executions per year and you only need to pay about 15 guys year round give or take some guys to fill in for no shows or sick days, to basically conduct a genocide.
Now that's just one team. If you have more manpower you can easily multiply your yearly executions 10 or 20 fold. Those are some serious numbers, you will have the most trouble actually apprehending your victims.
>the more dudes you have the more often you can lift the stone
The more sheaves you add, the fewer dudes you need.
Much improved method from manual lifting.
An industrialized version of the rock method could be engineered. A simple upgrade would be to mine Quartz deposits and then file them down into an appropriately sized cube. You can then tie HMPE rope around it to have a means to easily affix handles to pull the weight up. You would want your execution station to have appropriate hardness for the stone to do its job, but to still have some give and absorbency to last many executions. I think laying down a lifting mat for weightlifting would be a good choice- and you could lay this down on concrete just about anywhere to protect the surface underneath. A sufficiently hard and rigid lifting mat would be a great and durable material to lay between your hard surface and your execution cube. A cube is good because it flattens the brain completely.
Suffice it to say there will be very little suffering beyond the initial extreme pain of getting your head crushed, which will take less than a second to complete if done with sufficient speed. Building a machine to lift and then drop the execution cube could be a good choice if it is designed for durability and reliability. It would not be necessary to have a real power source for this machine, a series of gears, pulleys and hand cranks could be used by multiple men to easily lift the stone into place.
Kind of like the head crushing version of a guillotine. If one were to automate the process, hydraulics with osmium heads for the crushers would be a good choice.
It worked in Strontium Dog.
He was really bowled over by that one
Hypoxia. 100% guaranteed kill rate, no mess.
Only reason it's not being used is because you feel happy on the way out.
most cost effective, quickest, least mess, and hardest to fuck up is inert gas asphyxiation. it's the gold standard method for both execution, euthanasia, and exit. 10/10 S tier
If you know...you know
Getting dumped
During the French Revolution, the guillotine became too slow to kill all the priests they wanted so they built boats with planks that slid out so they could drown boatloads tied up inside at once. Prots did similar shit during the Reformation. Often they would lock the faithful nuns and priests in with peasants unwilling to turn on their faith and light the church ablaze with doors barred.
Hear me out.
Guillotine, right?
But you also have two very high poles with a super elastic line between them.
You put it around the head like a slingshot.
The instant the neck is severed the head is yeeted into the atmosphere.
Your last few seconds of consciousness are flying through the sky, free, like a bird, away from all your worldly troubles.
Sounds based. One last ride
This may interest you.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthanasia_Coaster
There's a FPV video on youtube where someone modeled and animated a ride in 3D.
If you can tie the customer up sufficiently, a bottle of nitrogen or argon with a pressure regulator and a connected mask will do the trick with minimal effort and cleanup.
1300serbs/night
>most effective weapons or tools for carrying out an execution
Lol who needs a weapon? Just keep them in a box or cell and let nature take back what is theirs.
>inb4 starvation is inhumane
We are talking about murdering someone.... presumably deserving.
I think they used to have some sort of pit in medieval castles for that sort of thing.
You are thinking of oubliettes. They varied from being torturous execution or just torture depending on the design and mood of the castle's warden at the time.