>https://nitter.net/NOELreports/status/1663401925721587713#m
Try as you might, you'll never escape the janky lawnmower drones.
Moscow Drone Raid
>https://nitter.net/NOELreports/status/1663401925721587713#m
Try as you might, you'll never escape the janky lawnmower drones.
False flag?
That's what I think. They need to justify more Ukraine bombings somehow.
Black person, really? Do they?
They already invaded moron
nah just deeper and deeper
>maskirovka!! ass is not in the ass*~~
moskal cope every time russia gets humiliated
Probably not, there is a growing belief that Moscow needs a taste of its own medicine especially in Ukraine, but the west are coming around too.
3 videos.
https://t.me/ssternenko/16651
There is more, but I dont want to upload.
Can anyone ID the drones? Haven't seen these ones before
We had a video with this silhouette last week.
Apparently, that drone type was used in Krasnodar.
Probably Alibaba yellow Black person shit
some UJ-series shit from ukrjet
spitfires
Ukie made long range drones.
Bf109/FW190D model planes rigged with explosives.
Kinda resembles Iranian Ababil-2 without the nose.
What the frick hit that second one? It looks like it just prematurely detonated mid-air.
Vatnik cops are claiming they downed thirteen drones, three hit targets. But you know, russians líes when they speak.
It’s a daytime drone attack, I wouldn’t be shocked at all if they did shoot that many down. The fact that they got that close at all is embarrassing. It happened during the day, which makes me think these are either cheap drones lacking thermals, or the goal was to have the attack be as visible and undeniable as possible, more than to actually hit targets. A message, to make muscovites who are largely insulated from the war feel unsafe
Yes, the fact it happened at all is more significant than any target being hit. Nobody was expecting this to happen in the zigger biggest hive back in February 22.
It's a message.
>"You send drones at our capital, we send drones right back to yours."
even taking their claims at face value it would still mean Ukraine has better air defence in their cities than Russia
They moved most of their AA close to the frontline, in order to box the UAF in. So the hinterland is mostly uncovered.
GOOD FRICKING MORNING
https://t.me/ssternenko/16659
In New Moscow, a drone allegedly crashed into a high-rise building, reports Mash
Another drone previously crashed into a high-rise building in Moscow on Profsoyuznaya Street. According to our information, residents in the house are being evacuated.
Previously, the UAV flew through the window on the 16th floor
>Kinzneeds being shot down regularly
>Ukraine literally flying UAV's into individual windows in Moscow buildings
Russia needs to just give up here, it gets more embarrassing by the day.
>a high-rise building
Then it's confirmed to be a false flag.
This has Putin's handwriting all over it.
Shit raid...orcs destroyed 14 drones, while 3 just crashed
Orcs seem better at destroying drones. Ukrainians should learn from them
It's not even bait, it's the fishing rod.
you are a moron
Whats AA doing?
visiting local shops or drunk
>Whats AA doing?
In Russia, AA is anti-antiair.
Imagine if they were able to put a few of these in the Kremlin and detonate some bombs or grenades.
Its not about the results, its about sending a message.
The pampered muscovian parasites are the only thing that matters to the Kremlin.
>Its not about the results, its about sending a message.
so that Putin can issue a full mobilization moron
People that don’t understand rushit politics should keep their mouths shut imo
The only thing Putin fears is Muscovite rage from their own dying. They don't care if Buryats die.
>Muscovite rage from their own dying
No such thing.
Muscovites have been getting conscripted and sent to the front to die since the start of the mobilization campaign. Not just vatniks, but regular people too, even productive members of society - doctors, IT, engineers - even well-known government clerks. Even weird counter-culture homosexuals and furries found themselves on the front lines where you either go die in a trench to push the front a little further or get beaten to death in a dimly lit basement for being a traitor to the motherland.
Neither the deaths, nor the homosexual sons of the elite living safely outside of Russia would make the population do anything.
And in the meantime, vatnik oligarchs and Putin's spies are clawing their way to more victories against the West.
They are already doing that. Oh no, Monke may get angry and send deranged psycopaths to commit atrocities in Ukraine!
And equip them with what? It's too late.
In the first few months of everything, Ukraine was wise to not drag Moscow directly into things because the average Russian was going "whatever" in regards to the war. The conscripts were all from the East. Now, telling the Muscovites they can be in the sights means either they start getting vocal and causing unrest, or they government is forced to say they need to start fighting too. See how popular the war is when the actual Russian cities start getting depleted.
Do it. Let's turn the occasional vatnick slaughter video into a 24/7 feed.
>that Putin can issue a full mobilization moron
He already did.
Oh wait you bought into "partial mobilisation" marketing name? Ahaha.
Remember Russians never call thing whatever it can be by straight name.
Yeah somehow I think this won't go as easily as that because by now they'll probably have to tap into the middle class from richer areas like st petersburg and Moscow.
With what supplies?
>so that Putin can issue a full mobilization moron
And completely destroy Russia for the next half dozen generations? Getting a massive hard-on just thinking about it.
How's the weather in 2022? The "partial mobilization" was already a mass mobilization campaign and it has not stopped.
a drone literally hit the flag on the kremlin like a week ago anon
if it wasn't Ukraine then it was a very bizarre false flag considering Putin didn't bother to use it to justify mooobilising and it makes Russia look like they have 0 air defence
I guess now the question is who did it, could be Ukrainian military, Ukrainian independent saboteurs, pro-Ukrainian Russian independent saboteurs, anti-Kremlin independent saboteurs, opposition movements, Priggy, Strelkov, FSB...
I'm going to be here forever if I try to list out everybody who could've done it, especially if I include meme candidates like Priggy and Strelkov aren't I?
Based on listening to and reading what long time western-living-Russian-Intellectuls-who-comment-on-Russia are saying, here’s roughly what’s happening internally in Russia politically
>Putin is in weak, but not unstable position
>most of those in positions of power have realized this war will end in failure
>the jockeying right now is, essentially, done with putins blessing
>the players are, basically, jockeying to see who will take the fall for this, and who will rise through the ranks
>Prigy and Gerkin are butting heads because they both speak to the same demographic IE pro war Z nationalists. There can only be one big dog here
>Priggy is interested in shoveling shit onto Shoigu and Tardimov and the MoD, so that they’ll take the fall and his star will rise
>he’s actually quite charismatic to a Russia audience
>Girkin is seething because he’s basically been saying the same thing for longer, and thinks prig is a tard. but priggy has, at the moment, more direct power and protection. Girkin still has more prestige, connections, influence and guile, though.
>multiple parties are trying to establish minor warlord-fiefdoms to give them the kind of immediate power and protection priggy has, to survive the inevitable political fallout from the failure of the war
>no one is making open moves against putin, and probably few are making moves against him in private either, but people are getting ready to make moves and protect themselves if this does happen.
>if Putin does take a fall, it is much more likely that the following leader/institution is much more radical, nationalist and unstable than Putin’s Russia has been, than that anything approaching liberalisation happens
>Putin has taken a big step back from public declarations and public leadership. This is probably to insulate himself from blame when things go south.
>it’s unlikely that a fall guy is chosen right now, putin will simply declare the loser of the power struggle an always-traitor
Bleak stuff really. Russia is just doomed to be an autocratic shithole forever, I guess.
Thanks anon
Does Russia have any hope of moving into the 21st century or are there no realistic pathways for that in the near future?
Russia will move into the 21st century in the 23rd century.
t. knower
In the 24th and a 1/2 Century.
>it is much more likely that the following leader/institution is much more radical, nationalist and unstable
The question is would such an unstable radical nationalist would or even could go further than has already been gone. I mean at this point it’s just carpet bombing and nukes that are the only escalations left, and they might not even have enough working equipment & people for either. So a raging nationalist in Moscow who can’t do anything isn’t much of a threat, any more than anybody takes Kim Jong Whoever’s latest pronouncements truly seriously.
It’ll suck for neighbouring countries but if SK can put up with NK then I’m sure they can put up with Russia too.
Anti war Russians are more likely to leave than stay. There’s really no reason for an educated Russian to stay in Russia, unless he intends to exploit the situation for his own gain. What jobs are there going to be, compared to emigrating to the west?
Most Russians are in an apathetic middle ground on the war. Key word is apathetic, they do not have meaningful political ambitions. The Z radicals do.
Also, the liberal-democratic Russians do not see a way forward, and there’s no reason to believe that will change. They’re simply not going to try what they think is hopeless
I think, frankly, that Putin will be allowed to escape this debacle intact. He will die soon enough anyway, and makes a useful, unifying figurehead for the stab in the back narrative. After his death he will be a lion, slayed by the perfidious west for trying to save Russia.
there will be an even more intense privatisation of the Russian state than there is. Corporatism akin to 3rd reich reforms that more deeply enforce this Bonapartist gangsterism. The military might actually fragment into regional-corporate warlordism, but without a lot of armed internal struggle, the private militaries being used to guard projects in Russia’s “international partners” and to protect their warlord-bosses. I think a lot of people see what prig is able to do and say, insulated by thousands of armed loyalists, and see a liferaft in a polonium ocean.
Whoever replaces Putin will probably be a currently unknown figure.
Not again with the carpet bombing bullshit.
Black person, they lost 4 aircraft deep in their own territory from UA anti air. How well do you think a bomber formation would fare?
The only 2 things they haven't done yet is total mobilization and weapons of mass destruction. The former is more likely than the later
Sorry but Girkin has no real power here, he just rants and copes on Telegram because, well, that is his only option. Sure he has a large following and been in Donbas but since he shot down MH17 then he has become a pariah nobody wants to touch him execpt the DNR/LPR which sees him as a there hero. But he also has important connections in the FSB and deep within Kremlin, that is why he can rants. He also never had any close relation with Putin himself. If there will be lets say a civil war or the Kremlin collapse Girkin will just become a warlike warlord such as Kadyrov but in much smaller scale.
Prigy another hand is far bigger and important because he has his Wagner troops and the relation with Putin since way back. That is why he became so rich and could start his PMC, he is low key openly playing his intentions and testing the grounds. But I think it's more playes in the background that is sitting and waiting for see how everything rules out. Most likely they're from FSB etc, and if Putin became coup'd or something happens to him it's someone from FSB or inner circle who will take his place(Prigy is not one of them).
But it's true that Putin has become weak and that people see this war as big failure now, everyone is waiting for the Ukrainian counter-offensive. Everything could be at stake here if it's succesful or not and I think everybody knows it.
I agree about Girkin and mostly about prigy. I really doubt the possibility of a Putin coup, I think most people would rather be the ones beneath him for now. I don’t think anyone believes they could replace him, and I don’t think there’s anyone that people would want to see him replaced by. Most people have something to lose if he goes down in a coup - I think a quiet death is more likely. Again, he’s old as frick, and a “natural” death begets a stable transition, I don’t think the FSB or anyone else wants a return to the 90s, I think those with power see more being lost than gained in such an event. I think he’s politically useful as a martyr, and I think either prigy or shoigu and others in the MoD will take the fall. I think Girkin might actually get sold out to the west during negotiations.
I think also that prigy is angling to replace Shoigu etc in the post war landscape
>we lost the war because of corruption in the MoD who betrayed Putin’s vision
>Girkin was an unstable radical who dragged the memerepublics down
>Wagner saw what was happening and tried to save us
I think, also, that the west will play ball and try to help wash the laundry of whatever comes after
Between that an moving nukes to Belarus it seems like Russia decided to speed run the Soviet Union ng+ mode.
>Based on listening to and reading what long time western-living-Russian-Intellectuls-who-comment-on-Russia are saying
I would like to know your sources.
I mean this in the sense that I too would like to know more about the internal political landscape in Russia.
The simplest and easiest place to start is vlad vexler. His second channel vlad vexler chat does nearly daily short videos on specific recent happenings. I find him measured and rational, and he explains where he might be wrong and why he thinks westerns get some things wrong. I think he understands the Russian soul better than almost anyone else in the west. Gabuev and Stanovaya I also think are insightful, a lot more focused and with more experience interpreting international relations with Russia. Keep in mind the majority of these people are going to be both quite left leaning (that’s basically the definition of a Russian intellectual who flees to the west) at least clintonesque, and are also generally of a realpolitik/pessimistic bent. Again, they’re Russian intellectuals who fled to the west. And don’t expect a good military analysis of the war from them
>Priggy is he’s actually quite charismatic to a Russia audience
You're lying. I've seen the polls. Most people in Russia don't even know who Prigo is because the state media doesn't air his "everything is fricked" rants.
I didn’t say he was popular or well known, I said he was charismatic. He’s only popular with the people following the war closely and personally. But while to us he sounds silly to Russians he tends to sound like a strong man who speaks truth
State media have been forbidden to even mention him or Wagner under a threat of applying "army discrimination" law
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THIS IS THE POWER OF THE 420TH ROME?
Literally a hohol war crime, there's no need to target civilians, but what can be expected from the Zelensky regime
Kremlin junta shot down drone above appartment block so it fell into a window. Why are they like this?
>25 unknown drones attacked Moscow, allegedly 15 of them are shot down, — Kremlin propaganda
wreckage of canard type craft
continued
krasnodar silhouette
holy sh*t!
So that's what Japan gave to Ukraine besides the cute tractor-chan
big if true
small drone impact. russian press reporting as moscow suburb. with sound:
>le epic mushroom cloud
see? see? Ukraine has nooks too!
i see copies of Sims 3
6 eggsplosions within 1 hour
Translation, Slavshits. Humans usually don’t speak goblina
it takes 10 seconds to put it into google lens
and it takes 0 seconds not to post unattributed slavshit text messages of no informational value. you both suck.
Back to myspace.
long before my time
"you both suck" was enough for you to figure out i didn't make the request.
it's interesting that we've yet to see explosives or follow-on drone attacks in the rail war. lack of coordination.
>translate this for me!
>this is useless. why did you translate this?
>But it's a new feeling...
>The earth is shaking
Better get used to it, sweetheart.
We speak human tongue in here.
>Kyiv in 3 days!
>2*2*2*2*2*2 weeks later
>We defended ourselves from ukr drones!
Several wagons loaded with gas and gasoline left the rails in the Ulyanovsk region on the night of May 30th. The descent took place near the station "Ulyanovsk-2" at 4 o'clock in the morning. At least one of the wagons turned on its side. What caused the emergency is still unknown - Baza.
>attentionprostitute
>also is brainlet
Like a clock.
They are such stupid, easily led cattle.
if you are not a cryptozig, you are indistinguishable from one who is trying to bump the thread to image limit under the guise of mocking ruZZia. stop.
>4shit has 1 image limit in 21 century
>NOOO STOP POSTING 1 IMAGE PER POST
Take your pills.
...what? if you fill up the thread with stupid fricking screenshots of russian telegram boomers saying dumb shit that doesn't matter, we'll need a new thread. are you moronic?
You can glue images together you know
>Isn't it time to strike at critical infrastructure?
Who's going to tell him? His government clearly forgot.
I don't think this is a false flag, too much humilliation for a prideful beast like the russians.
Vatnigs realized that distrct for russian owners has its own AA.
>zero casualties
It's almost like the point of the drones was more to stir the pot than kick it over.
I wonder if this is a rogue Russia attack. Someone from within sick of the war
Really no chance of that I think. I would not be surprised if the Ukrainians were infiltrating and launching drones from within Russian territory considering how poorly defended the border apparently is though.
Cry about it, dumbass. At least he's contributing something new and relevant. Personally I find it kinda amusing seeing the reactions of your garden variety Moskal to these attacks.
I'm glad that I've saved all these Shahed memes.
I guess it's not that funny when it happens to them?
Does anybody have more that I can add to the collection?
Yeah
local hobby enthusiasts confound Russian air defenses.
The Pidors entered this war under the rather childish delusion that they were going to bomb everyone else, and nobody was going to bomb them. At Kyiv, Kharkiv, Odessa, and half a hundred other places, they put their rather naive theory into operation. They sowed the wind, and now they are going to reap the whirlwind.
I agree with him: only terrorists would use such drones!
fricking hell and you know they actually mean it as well
He even has a Shahed as a profile pic lel
Yep. That's why I zoomed so far until it is visible.
I swear that Russia is not a real place (or at least the Russian internet), I actually can't even find any comment that is not completely deranged.
Manyunya the Quietest is a hilarious representative of most Russian shill narratives I see on this site
>Secret MI6 gays that we can name for some reason controlling Ukraine via gay sex
>Zelenskyy Drugs Rehab schizoposting
>I hate Khokhlo-Narco-Baddles
Also all the
>"We need to actually start trying to kill Ukrainians for real this time" cope posting kek
It's literally a nu/misc/ user but in Russian with reddit updoots.
r*ssian subhumans are mentally ill
>It's literally a nu/misc/ user but
Huge part of nu/pol posters are vatBlack folk from Internet Research Agency. 2019 Mueller report with numerous deanons of prigogine's employees was posted by media but mostly ignored (or rather spammed with other shit so people wont talk about it)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mueller_report
Somehow they managed to make the gays responsible for everything lmao
>hit not only military facilities, but also critical infrastructure
Did he forget that this is exactly what they were doing all winter and failed miserably?
in the past few weeks, I've unironically seen the narrative that Russia should cut off the gas supply to the EU in order to force them to the negotiating table make a return. I swear ziggers are dumber than a fruit fly, and have a shorter memory.
Are they even aware that the only European countries still using Russian gas on any notable scale are their own 5th columnists, like Hungary and Austria?
anon, Russia is the only place in the world you can get gas and oil from, don't be ridiculous.
thank god russians would never dare attacking civilian targets
this is gold: Shahed in profile pic and then mantra about subhumans attacking civilian targets...
Did they hit anything significant?
Entire S-400 battery and two Gerasimovs.
I wouldn't worry about it
kurwa bobr
https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1663431175292043264
BOPER KURWA 😀
We have a positive ID
Certainly points to a Ukrainian attack as opposed to a false flag. Pretty funny that they made it all the way to Moscow without being intercepted/noticed, assuming they were launched from Ukrainian territory
Yup, that's pretty promising. It's a shame the slow speed of these means they get shot down a ton in the endgame. Compare that with the performance of Storm Shadow in Luhansk/Mariupol where it's buttfricking the Russians
They also cost orders of magnitude less. I'd say 100 shneeds with longer range can cause damage just fine, if used against factories/infrastructure, and for all we know they might've blown up refineries in bumfrick nowhere, but there's no mobile coverage to upload videos.
I understand Ukrainian frustration, since Kyiv has been attacked 4 times since may 28th, but they could have targeted some military or logistics installations instead
But, you see, these Ukrainian drones weren't actually operated by Ukrainians. The brave fighters of the Belgorod People's Republic had found them laying around.
Now i think of it, russians are spoofing gps/glonass over Mordor, so the strikes were bound to hit mire or less random targets
It's about creating civilian demand for air defenses deployed away from the front.
I know, but it comes with serious drawbacks. They should have targeted things with more immediate connection to war
We don't know what they were targeting.
Those drones use shasneed-style inertial navigation, since satellite signal is jammed to shit. So they can only be sent in the general direction of large buildings.
Refineries and factory buildings are rather big
GPS/GLONASS is jammed over Moscow? Cars can't use satnav?
They can, but when approaching jammed areas the position is updated into the middle of the fricking river ahahahaha
How did Ukies get a dozen of drones so close to moscow to launch?
these are big boyes with the range to be launched well within Ukraine (if they have the 1000km ish ranges of shaheds or harops)
How did they bypass russian anti-air?
No idea.
Why do they need those huge planes? How much hardware is in there that can't be stored on a fighter jet?
Not only is the size of the array important because of physics of radar waves, that shit has to stay airborne for hours, you also have to power the whole thing which means drawing energy from the shaft on the jet engine, and it helps to have enough crew size so that people can get up for a piss after hours of surveillance.
russian oook?
They flew the drones backwards
russia has anti-air?
Dumb idea, there's only on scenario where this is a smart move. Provoke russia to use everything they have in retaliation and then launch an offensive.
We know rus are already through the stocks and are firing straight from assembly line now
I actually wanted to ask a few days ago why Ukraine/NATO allies don't make their own cheap Shahed style drones to expend Russian air defense. Guess they did.
The question now is: will they even bother shooting them down? As long as they are used on civilian infrastructure I can see them just ignoring them...
There's plenty of important targets in range, they will have no choice but to shoot them. Air bases, ammo storages, fuel depos, refineries, electrical substations, power plants etc
A 10 foot pole, just like in my D&D campaigns
Why does it have the prop in the front?
That's a different drone. Light tactical support, not a flying bomb.
Is there an advantage to having the prop in the front? Most UAV have a pusher configuration.
Simpler control scheme, a bit more stable platform. The Orlan is also a tractor design.
>bomb apartments, schools, and hospitals in kyiv
>xaxaxaxa die holhols mmmm roasted piggies
>some drones actually hit something in moscow
>noooo kiev nazi junta terrorists can't do this! papa putin pls nook!!
moskal in a nutshell
>200 000 dead ziggers
>Moscow bombed
>Humvees raid Belgorod
>russia still hasn't taken Bakhmut
Best usage of my taxes so far.
Posting that Marichka with those digits?
Actually yeah cool bro, I hate the /misc/ windmill of peace version
$10 million crowdfunded for the next drone batch.
>I can participate in a crowdfunding project that will launch a wave of suicide drones at Moscow
This is the best timeline
so glad I donated to ukies with their drone program. Best money ever spent
Nice
Imagine it was American cardboard house.
>fricking ukronazis interrupted my sleep, and destroyed my windows, why are we not carpet-bombing kiev yet?
Hits seem rather high, I'm going to guess that the targets wasn't this building. I could get proven wrong, but it just seems like it hit something in its way rather than something it was aimed at. In any case, the payload seems to be fairly light, though commieblocks are pretty solid.
It almost definitely wasn't, Rus as spoofing navigation over Moscow
Gps jamming over Moscow is heavy right now so the drones hit everything but the target.
Moscow IS the target
But hitting civilian buildings doesn't benefits Ukraine.
As far as we can tell, they didn't (intend to) hit anything specific. They just flew around and were either shot down, or exploded on their own. The damage appears to be due to debris impact.
It has a psychological impact on Muscovites by reminding them that the war is coming home. They've been mostly insulated from it before, with the draft occurring predominantly in the provinces. This attack could amplify a social pressure on the government.
I don't think Ukies targeted civilian buildings deliberately, as it's that would be a waste of resources. But if the drones got shot down by AA and fell on some apartment building, I doubt anyone would lose sleep over it
>Lets show them how terror bombing actually works.
Next is waves of thousand lawnmowers
The thing is, we don't know yet what exactly was hit. There were reports that the total number of drones was ~30, 11 were shot down, 3 confirmed hits.
So either they
>are meant to scout out the AA and see how far can a drone fly into russia without being shot down
>actually hit something of importance but theres no way russians will admit this
>are launched to divert AA from the front deeper into russia
You are right, hit civ buildings are not a huge benefit, and I doubt they were the real target. Counteroffensive is soon, which means resourses have to be expended on important targets.
Ukraine never target civilians.
But Russian counter-measures and AA frequently harm civilians.
The solution is simple - if you are a Russian civilian you should destroy every jamming tower, every AA platform and every government building near your home. Only then will you be safe.
The doolittle raid was massive for American morale. Didnt need to achieve anything tactically. It was about sending a message; “youre not safe either”
Stop falling for the blatant false flag you fools
They are visibly ukie drones. Lurk more
How did 30 drones manage to fly to Moscow? What does air defense do?
>he didn't trust the plan
Russia is definitely mad now. Ukraine better fasten the seat belts.
Eyebrows?
>Russia is definitely mad now. Ukraine better fasten the seat belts.
I might've been concerned if Russia actually had anything in reserve, but we all know they don't.
Current ass location?
I can't find it, but I can confirm it is blasted
The asses are someones father or son and you choose to laugh?
Noo, not the ooks,
How thick is the brown line at the moment?
The turn signal is blinking.
ass is definitely in the ass now
the banan is peeling... soon everyone will know everything... male asssholes mmmm....
The Russians whining about this from an outraged moral point of view and not a military failure pov remind me why the nation needs to lose, pure fricking brainworms.
False flag, or russia has really shit security.
The latter, same as the Kremlin drone attack. This is an absolute humiliation for Putin's government - they can't even stop drones exploding over their capital, a year and a half into their "special military operation" in their much smaller and weaker neighbour. The only thing Russians respect is strength, and they're being revealed to be absolute cucks.
Anyone who suggests that "hurr durr this is an excuse for the Russians to escalate" is fricking moronic -- the Russians have nothing left to realistically escalate with, aside from throwing more mobiks with AK-47s into the meat grinder.
How khokhloskot begs for a total pigslaughter with the involvement of up to 2kk mobilized.
Khohols, you do understand that if we go to frick you seriously, then there will be no pity for you anymore?
Russia has been trying its absolute hardest for a year anon, there is nothing but nukes in reserve
At this point I don't even think they have functioning nukes. Or, at the very least, they don't trust their ICBMs to actually make it out of russian territory before crashing to earth and detonating.
With the amount of russian self owns we've seen so far can you even imagine how badly they'd frick up a nuclear launch?
The nuclear forces are the only ones that basically survived the fall of the USSR without their budgets being affected. Their nukes probably do work.
The US nuclear force has a budget greater than the whole of the russian armed forces, and maintains less than half the warheads.
I sincerely doubt russia has anything close to their claimed headcount.
a chunk of that is modernization and upgrades, anon. literally all russia needs to maintain is the facilities to create whatever material they need to refurbish the warheads (which they have), a rocketry sector (they have) and the few people required to do the work (they have).
in 20 years they're going to be feeling the pain since their technological development will have fallen behind, but, until you figure out how to intercept a russian first strike they are going to be able to kill 50% of the american population.
this is just cope, in fact it's the same type of cope as when third worlders say the americans couldn't fight a war because they're all homosexuals or mutts. the russian nuclear forces are completely separate from the regular army, have different budgets, and have different missions.
Yeah, no. Everytime some anon imposes some sort of competence on the r*ssian military because it's "all they need to do [...]" or "it makes sense that [...]", it turns out that Vasiliy couldn't give a shit that Boris stole 80% of the budget because he too likes yachts and vodka.
i don't give a frick about your completely uneducated opinion on the strategic rocket forces.
>fantasize shit
>call out on fantasy
>"n-no YOU are uneducated!"
yeah, again, literally do not care about your opinion. an important part of being a rational adult about these things is being able to distinguish your own emotions from actual fact, you have failed, your opinion is worthless.
What fact?
His headcanon
anon from
here. nukes and the means to put them on inter-contintental trajectories really aren't complicated topics compared to a lot of bleeding edge stuff in miltech. also, russia places MUCH more emphasis on its nuclear arm than the us.
your sense of triumphalism is misplaced. the russian military is pants-on-head moronic in countless ways, yes. that doesn't say much at all about their ICBMs and SLBMs.
Didn't their last 2 ICBM tests failed?
Finally someone who has an IQ above room temperature.
This anon is right. Most Russian missiles were designed and built in the 60s to 90s, with upgrades happening over their lifetime. Once you have a functional missile (and Russia IS capable of maintaining them) all you need is a functioning warhead, of which Russia has literally thousands left over from the USSR. All they have to do is maintain them, which is nowhere near expensive as design, testing and production.
Now I'm quite skeptical of their SSBNs since those are a different thing entirely, but their SLBMs should also work. I'm just unsure of their ability to reliably put to sea and not get killed in the process. But again their RVs and warheads should all work fine.
ICBMs, like all rockets, can fail for a bunch of reasons. Not all failure modes have anything in common with the design itself, or maintenance. Sometimes a specific rocket can be faulty for a variety of reasons. This is why the US pulls a Minuteman from operational service every once in a while to test, and why the RN shares SLBMs with the US.
One failure, unless you have very good analysis of it, does not mean anything. If you have evidence that for example a Russian ICBM randomly exploded and you think the engines are faulty, that puts a upper bound on the effectiveness of that particular ICBM family. Russia has multiple ICBM/SLBM families and one being faulty or having an issue does not mean the others are faulty as well.
Really. This is mature technology.
>and Russia IS capable of maintaining them
Black person, Russia was not capable of mantling filled fuel tanks in their machinery before starting a fricking land invasion. over a year into this clown show, and you still assume there must be some level of base competence and effort in their forces because... there must be?
It's stunning to me that you actually think your own anecdotal evidence about supposed Russian "incompetence" somehow means that the decades of evidence we have concerning Russian nuclear weapons is cope.
It's stunning to me that you actually think your own head canon evidence about supposed Russian "competence" somehow means that the decades of evidence we have concerning Russians being a bunch of moronic monkeys who can barely keep their post-soviet trucks operational is not true.
The Nth country experiment is an annoyingly cliché thing to mention here, but it's helpful for establishing an important ground truth: any team of semi-competent scientists with access to the internet can build a nuke from scratch. It might not have MIRVs and all that, but it will do the atomic needful.
It's true that we've seen some suggestive things here and there, like the khinzal scientists' open letter on the espionage/treason prosecutions of their colleagues. But this is a nation of 140 million+ people. If the nukes are found not to work, heads will roll and people who can unfrick the situation with haste will be found and voluntold that rebuilding the nuclear arsenal is their life now.
>If the nukes are found not to work, heads will roll and people who can unfrick the situation with haste will be found and voluntold that rebuilding the nuclear arsenal is their life now.
Yeah this is the thing, the Russian state as a whole might be incompetent and operating under a fricked up set of incentives, but there are very few Russians who actually think their nuclear deterrent is a bad thing. The continued existence of Russia after 1991 is attributable solely to their nukes, they're not going to receive news that their nukes don't work then decide that it's best to keep it a secret, they're going to put thousands of people against a wall until it's fixed.
>but there are very few Russians who actually think their nuclear deterrent is a bad thing
there are very few Russians who think that having a strong army is a bad thing as well, but look where we are. everyone in every branch, from privates to generals, were stealing and embezzling what they could. what makes you think that this one single branch was somehow immune to the massive corruption that engulfed every single other branch of Russian military?
>Once you have a functional missile (and Russia IS capable of maintaining them)
Wasn't Ukraine contracted to perform maintenance on them until very recently? Or am I thinking of the warheads themselves? It was one of the two, missiles or warheads.
Different anon. Interested in any recent sources you have. It might be nothing, but 2022/23's edition of the RSVN yearly review wasn't published.
Russia's labor costs up and down the supply chain are grossly lower than America's (which is a big part of the reason why there's so much brain drain from Russia to the West), so that may not be as much of a factor as would otherwise be indicated, but the institutionalized corruption probably has eaten away at their force readiness.
Yeah plus they don't pour countless billions of that budget to develop fanfiction/wet dreams like Sarmat or Poseidon
poseidon is concerning because it's the kind of asymmetrically escalatory weapon that all the nuclear powers *could* develop, but only russia ultimately did develop.
at a number of critical moments / inflection points of the cold war, the decision not to do this very thing kept the competition from becoming incoherent and unpredictable.
but the old rules and wisemen are gone. so is the politburo. now we have the goddamn monke, a larping idiot who refuses to use the internet because it's a western innovation.
vexler's 2022 book recommendation video is a shortcut to a number of his essential sources. guriev is one of the big ones. i think that vid is on his second channel.
silicon curtain is sometimes good.
Budgets, yes. Corruption and negligence, no.
Ofc NOOOKS 146% work, why would rusnigers ever steal from something that surely will be used and is used regularely, amirite?
Really homie?
The US quite literally inspects Russian nuclear storage and warheads every year in person as per START
Given how cautious the U.S has been about escalating tensions with russia, and how theyve given them strict caveats NOT to fire things like HIMARS into Russia, its safe to infer that at least enough of their nuclear capability works to scare people.
Carry on with your fantasy circlejerk though
All of them? WTF are you on?
>The New START Treaty provides for 18 on-site inspections per year. There are two basic types of inspections. Type One inspections focus on sites with deployed and non-deployed strategic systems; Type Two inspections focus on sites with only non-deployed strategic systems. Permitted inspection activities include confirming the number of reentry vehicles on deployed Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles (ICBMs) and deployed Submarine Launched Ballistic Missiles (SLBMs), confirming numbers related to non-deployed launcher limits, counting nuclear weapons onboard or attached to deployed heavy bombers, confirming weapon system conversions or eliminations, and confirming facility eliminations. Each side is allowed to conduct ten Type One inspections and eight Type Two inspections annually.
educate yourself you dumb homosexual
that says nothing about checking their combat readiness or even if the warheads themselves are still operational, because they don't do it. it's a walking tour of the facility, moron, you can't infer the state of the nooks from it.
>literally 90 seconds after I ask the guy to be moronic he goes full moron
kek
no it isnt. you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about
>implying these "nukes aren't real" morons know literally anything
Don't bother arguing with them anon. We both know that it's fairly easy to verify that a country's nuclear weapons maintenance programs are operational by watching the inputs and outputs but these morons have decided Russian nukes don't work for some reason and will not change their minds. I doubt these morons even know about the Megatons to Megawatts program.
I wonder how they reconcile that the North Koreans, Pakistanis and Israelis all have functional nuclear weapons programs though?
It's literally counting, my man. Do you see any qualitative inspections there? Nobody says they don't have nukes, but everyone questions their maintenance state. To test that, you'd need to do an actual detonation test, and Russia hasn't been doing that since the dissolution of the USSR.
guess what? people much more educated and informed on the subject that you that are in the u.s government think they do work
let me guess, you know better?
They just tell you the count, moron. They literally DON'T KNOW if they work, you posted the procedures yourself.
>this fricking guy
START was complied with by the Russians up until February of this year. As of the 1st of September 2022 they had 540 deployed ICBMs, SLBMs and heavy bombers, with a total of 1549 warheads. Including non-deployed launch platforms brings the number of launchers up to 759.
The Russians have 68 R-36Ms with 680 warheads (aka the SS-18 Satan, which has been in service since 1962), 72 UR-100Ns with 432 warheads (aka SS-19 Stilettos, in service since 1975), along with various other types including SLBMs. The warheads are physically observed on the vehicles, are counted, and through other surveillance mechanisms are verified to be functional and maintained.
Don't care morons, please do try to argue that START is somehow flawed because the Russians have somehow disguised the fact none of their bombs work. I want to laugh.
>"D-don't care..."
>Still replies
Whatever you say vatnik
You're not complaining about me responding, you're complaining about me providing a counter-argument to your garbage.
Does the phrase “Potemkin village” ring a bell?
t. World’s 2nd army
>I want to laugh.
Alright, read this:
>"[...] and through other surveillance mechanisms are verified to be functional and maintained."
Ccannon fodder against NATO toys? I would look.
do it homosexual
The gloves are off?
Stfu
Is this a joke? Seriously, Russia doesn't have a single operational conventional weapon that it hasn't already used in quantity, at scale, and the stockpiles of almost everything are being depleted much more rapidly than they can be refilled. Literally what is left to be afraid of?
le gloves coming off?
Jesus Christ can Russia stop being incompetent for one second
You mean FAILED drone raid:
Russia's Defence Ministry said that Ukraine had launched eight drones at Moscow, but that all the UAVs were downed.
'This morning, the Kyiv regime launched a terrorist drone attack on targets in the city of Moscow,' the defence ministry said.
'Three of them were suppressed by electronic warfare, lost control and deviated from their intended targets. Another five drones were shot down by the Pantsir-S surface-to-air missile system in the Moscow region,' it said.
Yeah
OK so it's gone from 16 drones with 11 shot down to 30 something drones with 11 shot down and the rest missing due to scrambling to eight drones hitting nothing. Bets on what the next number is going to be?
>me probing what kind of military support infrastructure inbetween Moscow and Ukraine i can frick up with drones
>send a couple of drones in the general direction of Moscow
>all of them get intercepted over Moscow
>Russian defence calls it a failure
>me launching 20 storm shadows at 20 different military targets which aren't in Moscow
haha oops
So they ADMIT to causing the supposed drones to crash into civilian targets?
The Ukrainians are probably trying to get the Russians to transfer AD assets away from the front to defend Moscow before the upcoming offensive.
Attacking civilian structures is incredibly pointless. Especially with this low amount of drones.
They didn't, the Rus announcement above even says so indirectly. Moscow is protected by an EW network, that is satellite spoofing. Which caused the drones to miss intended targets
I guess their air defence sort of worked then.
Yes, it did it job of protecting important targets. And UA knew that already from the previous probing attacks. So it was an emotional revenge for the massed bombing of Kyiv that happens throughout entire may, or they want russia to ape out and expend their stock before offensive
Day 460 of Russian very special military operation.
Moscow is being bombed.
Again.
Something with more symbolic than strategic impact, though. Even if Ukraine hit something important, they aren't exactly in a position to capitalize on it.
I think it's just a revenge for the last Kalibr bombing that went pretty rough on Kiev and Lviv.
Assuming it's not zigger flase flag.
Of course its symbolic. When ruzzia collapses, it wont be due to any material condition brought about by bombing or invasion, itll be that chief monke has lost the force of controlling fear that kept him at the top of the heap.
All the useful idiots and bot farms are in a real tizzy lmao
>p-please let us do whatever we want
Man the US would be based if it weren't a Black loving cesspit
The fact that there are no vigilante manhunts for tankies is Europe signing its own death sentence.
Can we stop pretending this is the ukes launching drones at random civilian buildings in Moscow? Muscovites lie as they breathe so the burden of proof is on them to prove that it is in fact the ukes doing this
There’s few people lower IQ than the morons who assume everything is a false flag. It’s basically just how the stupid protect themselves from feeling dumb - they can never be tricked if they doubt anything, never be shown to be wrong.
Have some of Girkins dooming about this entire thing.
Girkin’s thoughts can be said to correspond to roughly 20% of the Russian population, generally the righter wing of Russian politics and people of a younger-than-boomer demographic. I think he’s spot on about the psychological effect and he’s not the only person thinking this
>(try to) bomb Kyiv
>heh, stupid holhols, don’t they know this is war?
>get bombed
>*screeching* NOOOOOOOOOOO ONLY RUSSIA IS ALLOWED TO ATTACK
Hell awaits every Russian
They sowed the wind
462th day of 2-day blitzcringe
Of course the monki palace is the most important place in Moscow, and the only one worth highlighting lmao
I doubt that monkey man had a single public appearance since the war started. And I mean real monkey man, not one of the dopplegangers
It's time to stop holding back and send in the VDV...
Гaв гaв
Girkin's seething hard lmfao
>What else, besides Ukrainians occupying Kremlin, does this plan involve?
https://nitter.cz/wartranslated/status/1663478847126241280
honestly why does putin still try? i think we've reached a point where we're heading to a real escalation, and I'm talking an escalation within Russia here not about their war in Ukraine
These drones have to have been launched from within Russia, no?
>yfw Ukraine busts out their own drones during the next fake drone attack and actually blows up something of value while Russia has all the AA turned off
Do you think the russians are smart enough to move their air defense before the next drone wave?
>Russians
>smart enough
I wonder what happens if the shortest path has a telephone pole or building in the way
That webm encapsulates modern day russia.
"You stinking c**ts, what are you doing? You bastards! Get your asses out of the offices where they put you to defend this country."
"You are the Department of Defense. You haven't done shit to step up. Why the frick would you allow these drones to come to Moscow? Just because they're flying into your houses at Rublevka, frick it! Let your houses go up in flames. But what are ordinary people supposed to do when drones with explosives crash into their windows?
Why is this toad always talking about gay sex? I don't think I've seen a statement from him where someone wasn't getting penetrated lol
Because he was a convict in a Russian prison, aka anal rape camp
One guy has gone on record to say that he saw him get raped a few times lmao
>Why is this toad always talking about gay sex?
Well, he's a ex-convict so you just know.
gay sex becomes part of every russian conversation no matter what the topic is
They all talk about dicks and buttholes, even their most known anti-Putin oppositionist intellectuals like Alexander Nevzorov do that. Guy recently was talking about limp dicks form Kremlin and Russian war priapism (permament erection).
Prigy speaks to the russian soul, what every russian dreams, thinks and desire above all else.
>Frick
>Every second appeal is about asses, wieners, ass fricking, bottles, fricking asses with bottles, vaseline, etc.
>And Girkin says Prigogin isnt russian. Why not when he is archetypal russian.
Former puccian convict said priggy was a prison b***h.
Man I can't make heads or tails of this
On the one hand attacks on civilians are a classic Russian false flag
On the other hand Russia doesn't NEED to do any false flags to do whatever they want (or in this case can)
On the other other hand Russia's stupid and might just do false flags because they think they have to do false flags
I don't think this is a false flag, personally. This makes them look very incompetent.
On the other hand, a bunch of shit like drone striking the capital and supplying Russian 'counterinsurgents' to distract Russian command just before you launch a major counteroffensive seems like a pretty good plan to me.
>The Russians entered this war under the rather childish delusion that they were going to bomb everyone else, and nobody was going to bomb them.
Solid rocket boosters are very easy, literally the only things about Russian nooks I think are likely to be generally unreliable are guidance systems. But google earth targeting isn’t so bad when your target is a city entire.
Why not at night tho?
Cant wait for whats next*~~
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