Im starting to think this is the hill the AFU will die, despite the mass casualties they keep sending badly trained and equipped troops to bakhmut, some mobilized 7 days ago and sent directly to the front
More reinforcements to Bakhmut
Im starting to think this is the hill the AFU will die, despite the mass casualties they keep sending badly trained and equipped troops to bakhmut, some mobilized 7 days ago and sent directly to the front
Why do you morons always project?
I mean NATO's solution has always been "SEND MORE MEAT TO THE GRINDER" since this war started so this is hardly surprising
I am demoralized
you should be you stupid bitches
OK but why are you brown?
wow you are so fucking cringe. And still you haven't taken Bakhmut
Reminder
Ukrainian military losses: 13,000 +
Russian military losses: 100,000+
This. Russia will probably lose a million before Ukraine even breaks 50,000 losses. Bakhmut has been a very good situation for Ukraine. If they are leaving now it’s only because they can kill even more vatnik elsewhere.
Oh look it's some more chuds from redddit. Those numbers come from the ukrainian government. Everyone else monitoring says otherwise
>killed and wounded
>killed and wounded
>killed
Obviously the Ukrainian government is going to hide the bad news but those numbers aren't even contradictory.
Casualties are roughly the same. Russia at 180k and Ukraine at 130k. Did you think it was 180k dead Russians? Either way, Ukraine is in its 6th mobilisation for a reason.
>Either way, Ukraine is in its 6th mobilisation for a reason
Because they have a hard cap on how much people they can put through the pipeline? It was Russia who tried to mobilize 300k at once, and that lead to mobiks being sent to absolute shithouses, some to empty fields.
Neutral observers are all saying around 130k for Ukraine and 180k for Russia. Even the Pentagon last month said 120k (General Milley) but they dismiss it now because it wasn't an official announcement. Ukraine is fucked they have 1/5th of Russia's mobilisation ability.
>being this dense
Russia has incentives to understate their lost, because they are sending men to die for aggression. Outside sources like the pentagon have incentive to overstate Ukraine losses because it justifies sending more support. This means Ukraine didn’t really lose 100,000, and Russia lost much more than they. Ukraine has their official numbers are reported, even. If you believe those numbers saying Ukraine lost 100,000 at face value (hint: you morons can’t decide if it is even killed or wounded) it just makes you look dumb and no one else.
Even if this is true, Russia has a critical problem with recovering wounded. Especially since they're on the attacking side, there are few to no opportunities to recover those men, they are dead. The defender will rack up many times more wounded than killed.
I can believe 120k-130k casualties for Ukraine. But Russia can easily be having 200k casualties. 180k sounds like the lowest possible estimate while a Ukraine rate of 120k-150k sounds more accurate by comparison. These counts aren't just of the 190k troops the Russians had on the first day, a good 50-60k of those troops being the separatists. It's also all the new troops raised after the invasion. If anything, Russia having 200k+ casualties is low given they likely have had more than 350k-400k troops in total from February to now in Ukraine at this point.
>Neutral observers are all saying around 130k for Ukraine and 180k for Russia.
May I ask for some links to corroborate this? I'm not saying that the numbers sound completely unbelievable, but I'd be surprised that "neutral observers are all saying" the exact same thing.
The numbers I've seen from different sources have a pretty broad spread, and I'm curious to the identity of these "neutral observers", since pretty much every country seems to prefer one side over the other.
From what I know the US Department of Defense is one of them.
>they have 1/5 Russia’s mobilisation ability
Lol. Lmao even.
>ability to send any number of troops out of country to be trained to western standards
>basically infinite small arms and AT weaponry
>Pop 1/3 Russia’s size which is much younger and healthier (defender advantage means you need at least 3-1 for taking territory btw)
Meanwhile Puccia;
>has to keep shit tons of its military assets internally to stop partisan activity and shitskins from causing trouble
>has commitments such as Syria which they have to prop up constantly
>have primarily targeted rural and shitskin communities for mobilisation so far to spare urban centres the war support erosion of sending their boys to die and as a result have pushed those communities to breaking point
>spent half of the year’s planned budget deficit in one month
Russian casualties are over half a million, deaths are 120 thousand.
>Russian casualties are over half a million, deaths are 120 thousand.
holdup
wouldn't that mean.. they have +200% casualties now?
>Russian casualties are over half a million
You can't be that naive. Every reasonable person wants Ukraine to win, but this level of cope has become quite annoying. Take the rose tinted glasses for a second and discuss this war with at least a side glance at reality.
200k troops used for the initial invasion +300k mobilised; all gone? All casualties? And keep in mind that this is an artillery war; wounded soldiers very often don't enter the hospital with severe wounds or missing limbs, it's not like wounded soldiers are back on the field a week later.
The number of Russian casualties stated by Ukraine is vastly overinflated. The reality is that the number of casualties for both sides is way too close for Ukraine's comfort. The bet was that Bakhmut would change that, and it likely did push things a bit more in Ukraine's favor, but we still don't know how much of a difference it made
>200k troops
>300k mobilised
If you're just counting Russian military troops, then yes, those numbers are inflated. But given that Russia has been shoving Wagner, DPR and LPR forces into the fray, they could easily constitute a significant fraction of that figure. Quite a few Chechens have been lost too at this point.
>Wagner
>DPR, LPR
>Chechens
Not enough of them to make the 500k number realistic (600k) if you go by what minusrus states. Especially the Chechens, they barely see any combat.
Wagner, according to US officials suffered 30k casualties. Even if Wagner was completely wiped out, that would still be 50-60k casualties.
Let's say that LPR and DPR represent another 60k. There are still around 400k Russian casualties. 4/5 of the invasion force + mobiks.
Who is Ukraine fighting? With what soldiers is Russia occupying Donbas and the eastern side of the Kherson oblast? How did they take Soledar?
>the telegram
woah, you got the real facts. sorry Sirs.
The Telegraph article claims Russian casualties are also above 120,000, but it doesn't claim which side has suffered more.
The Norwegian source puts Russian casualties at 180,000+, so significantly higher than Ukraine's but a bit short of the 10:1 meme. Unless their dead to wounded ratio is much higher.
2 to 1 would mean rusia would lose anyway
This is about political determination. Neither side is going to fight to the last man, the question is who blinks first.
2 to 1 so far.
Ukraine is getting Western equipment.
Russian troops get rusted guns and "new" gear that's objectively worse than their older shit because of sanctioned parts.
Stupid Fucking Vatnik why would Ukraine understate its losses? Norway Cheif of Defense and The Telegraph are Russian propaganda.
>Stupid Fucking Vatnik why would Ukraine understate its losses? Norway Cheif of Defense and The Telegraph are Russian propaganda.
Norway
Russian propaganda
Please shut the fuck up.
He's on your side retard. Don't you see all the capitalization and spelling mistakes?
If anything outside overstates their losses to make the situation look more dire and get additional support
Rip, died a hero defending his country.
>died while defending his homecountry from hoards of rabid mongoloids
this boi is a bigger man than 99% of this board
this dude deserves a salute
o7
Guy was obviously young and had a cheerful nature. Monkee unleashed a horde of illiterate mongols on his nation. He didn't fight for money or because of some shit that a bearded schizo came up with. Still didn't lose his cheerful nature. Sadly he got killed while defending his nation.
poltards try to make fun of him with a gay little webm. Somehow expect /k of all places not to have an understanding of the of the often tragic nature of war.
How he's dancing in Valhalla now.
Rest in peace
why would you be demoralized about a conflict that your country isn't really even involved in? kind of a shit sammich regardless of how this goes. each side argues for points that can be seen as valid, but we won't know who is correct until it is over. demoralized over it? get a grip
>bad thing happening to Russia?
>NO! Is happening to enemy!
Has this ever worked for you even once?
Has it ever worked for you 50IQ shills?
NO U!
Another great russian comeback.
>pulls the uno reverse again
wew lad,are you indian?
This, just look at the first 3 replies to the thread. Feeble damage control by dumb shills
>Nooooo! It is hohols throwing men into meat grinder! Ignore the hours of footage of the saviors of the white race dying in unsupported attacks!
It's not very smart to defend your projections with more projection, Pidor.
>ukraine doesnt have badly equiped just mobilized troops
>ukraine doesnt have badly equiped just mobilized troops
why would they be sent to front? 80% of troops in uniform are in support roles, its called tooth to tail ratio
>tooth to tail ratio
Ssh. They'll just start parroting shit with zero context.
doesnt have badly equiped just mobilized troops
Not really, no. Not on the frontlines for sure. Though training overall may be debatable, but they are equipped decently and that's just a fact.
https://www.economist.com/europe/2023/02/26/ukraine-finds-stepping-up-mobilisation-is-not-so-easy
>Ruslan kubay was surprised to receive a draft notice in late January. Registered as seriously disabled since childhood—Mr Kubay is missing both hands
>Far from admitting their error, they doubled down and declared him fit for service.
It's a classic Catch-22, realizing that a guy without hands shouldn't be in the military means he's more capable than the vast majority of vatmoron conscripts
>Mobik infantry made me the pidor I am today
He did not end up in the AFU. You are disingenuous, they made him show up to the equivalent of MEPS where they decided "no hands man isn't useful here". The same as it works in literally all countries with a draft, the recruiting office doesn't get to arbitrarily decide who can show and who can't.
I assume the MEPS requirement is to make it so you can't just bribe the draft agent to say you're a blind quadriplegic retard.
russians can't comprehend a system that tries to prevent bribery.
>Ruslan
Is there any real multimedia post to this? All i read are rumours but no official, multimedia or newspaper reports.
This reeks of Russian propaganda, even it is believable that they try to ramp up mobilisation since they have batalions in training in the west.
isn't that pretty normal ? In my country everybody gets called in no matter what, you visit a doctor and he decides. So if ya have something wage like asthma or missing a finger, 500 pounds of fat etc. you still get called and send to the doc (get ya daily dose of purple green) get ya stamp get a free lunch, get ya travel voucher and go home.
As long as he has legs he can walk towards an Ukie trench and draw fire, that's all they need from him.
They have the same thing here, if the government calls you in for national service you have to show up to the testing place.
It's illegal not to show up but literally no one is forced into the army. So many people want to join that they turn away anyone with ADHD, slightly under average eyesight, old sports injuries e.t.c.
They don't want demoralized troops that don't want to be there so if you say "I don't really want to do this" they won't take you.
TECHNICALLY they can force you but even then you can just flunk your tests.
Brazil? Sounds like the situation here.
I know that shitskins has no functioning government, but it is how it works in normal countries. You get your summon, you go trought medical examination, you are written off if you are not eligible to serve.
>Armed forces
Not for him lol
Despite claiming the city's not important they keep sending people to die even before getting there since Russia has fire control over all roads to the city, honestly, do they think Russia will capitulate or something, they left clear they'll win the war or make Ukraine into ruble anyway or another.
Just 2 more weeks Zister…
literally identical
I see they're filming the next season of Velma live action instead?
>America loses against farmers after 20 years in afghanistan
Even at the rate of taking 1 parking lot a day Russia is still doing better than America gay, go take more chud cock
>BUT AMERICA
The mutts took Afghanistan from half way across the world in 2 months while the Russians are incapable of taking a country on their border, nevermind dealing with the insurgency afterwards.
>immediately thinks about chud cock
Kek you vatniks are such massive fucking unironic gays.
Anon, who said anything about Trannies? Did you open your Futa folder again and now need to self-flagellate on PrepHole?
Why would they retreat when theres plenty of good 45 year old mothers to send in?
She died didn't she?
she's probably a volunteer medic or something
7 more months of encirclement
Is this because of the mass drone strikes in general, or just the one right next to Moscow? Though it could also be because of the explosions at the Yeysk airbase three hours ago...
Yes, the Russian propaganda is in overdrive since their Russian offensive broke down and they only have the upperhand to gain a town that has only symbolic value.
It's because of many things, but mostly because at the end of every month the bills come in, so you have more and more industrial machinery failing, mass transit quality dropping due to lack of spare parts, wages being skipped, prices of this and that skyrocketting as importzam fails, vatnik propagandists whining that being forced to rely on Rutube is career death and so on and so on.
And for western vatniks, they need to scream extra loud to forget the reality of their allies being exactly the people they claim to hate the most - zionists, islamists, communists, etc.
And Ukraine is being supported by GAYTO and Zionist as well along with trannies leading the way
I know who my enemy is
No ssg Hernandez The infantryman’s creed was too long and gay lmaoo don’t get started on the soldiers creed I would get second hand embarrassment
Yeah should have done the same in Karkiv and Kherson eh vatmoron?
>the Russian mind is baffled by the concept of fighting defensive battles once again
>Have parts marked as red that Ukrainian troops were geolocated in today
Does garden gnomebar really?
garden gnomebar is literally fake news. He just paints areas red when he feels like advances could have happened honestly.
>7 months of cope
>still think they're taken seriously
this lol
glowies are seething
>poster count didn't change
Pottery
>Russians will surrender
No I expect them to fucking die, lol.
Funny enough, if you didn’t state “AFU” in your post, I would’ve thought you were talking about Russian forces since that’s what they’ve been doing for a year now.
bad sign, such news often appears before a retreat
I agree this is demoralising, also all sanctions on oligarchs must be removed immediately and we should stop helping Ukraine.
>7 days
that's where you're wrong. it's more like 1.5 according to the new york times
>They got some firearms training — for one and a half days, Mr. Bilous said. Then they deployed to a pine forest near the city of Sievierodonetsk where they were supposed to be the second or even third line of defense, the unit’s commander, Capt. Volodymyr Kanchuk, said. With so many professional soldiers killed, they were pushed all the way forward to what is called the “zero line.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/20/world/asia/ukraine-russia-war-death.html
depopulation vs mohilization
>hiv west vs hiv east
>corruptionyellow vs corruption red
>one angry manlet vs other angry manlet
fucking grim but its all just fun for you, cheering for drone vids etc.
reminds me of the 3rd army corps that was supposed to support Kupyansk, so yeah it's bad news
organic posts are organic, this isn’t trying deflect from the strikes on Russian airfields
Ukraininan “Insider”
After the scandalous publications in the West about the heavy losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the huge military cemeteries in Ukraine, they want to change the method of burying dead soldiers. The Office of the President demanded that the General Staff initiate a decentralized method of burying the dead military, such an initiative should come from relatives, and bodies without identification should be buried in closed areas for further identification. In this way, politicians want to limit the growth of military graves, which, with their scale, have begun to frighten Ukrainians and Western experts.
Very convincing source comrade, I am now demoralised
>"Hey, I want a source on that, can you give me a page"
>"READ THE WHOLE BOOK, YOU PLEBIAN!"
What a fag
Tho realistically those mass graves where often used and displayed by Russian propaganda so I have no doubt that Zelensky putting end to that practice is real.
I mean, it's a very real posibility that they feel like Russia is going to be reaching operational exaustion soon, so perhaps this is a calculated decision for when mud season gets going.
Damn, in 2weeks with 20k more dead vatniks, russia will be able to take over the school of Bahkmut and maybe even the bakery nearby
Oh it's going to be so funny if the russians don't actualy take bahkmut
>withdraw thousands of troops
>send them back in
>decision not political
this confirms it was political
ukraine has been rotating troops in and out of bakhmut on an almost week basis for months now. i'm not really sure if the reason is a trial by fire, to reduce the load any particular unit has to bear, or simply because units' capacity is too degraded after a couple weeks to keep them there. anyway this is probably what the reinforcements are.
Dude. 2 weeks of intense combat is exhausting you want to rotate troops out of such if possible.
i understand that logic but it's not always correct. doctors and nurses in emergency rooms will often work 12, 14, 16 hour shifts back to back. isn't that exhausting? wouldn't it make patient care worse? actually, no, they've experimented with shorter shifts and it always hurts patient care because no one ever learns what's going on in their case. defending trenches can be the same way, eventually people will truly become useless ("thousand yard stare" types) but not in a week or two.
not what i heard, i've heard of people going from bakhmut to kherson or the belarus border, but i suppose my sources could be bullshitting me.
>12, 14, 16 hour shifts back to back
Not for multi week periods. It wasn't even that bad for covid
>i'm not really sure if the reason
Are rotations such a difficult concept to grasp?
Wrong, they haven't been rotating troops out to the rear. The rotations have been happening inside Bakhmut, from combat to support roles.
>support
Funny way to spell "cemetery" but hey who am I to judge.
>"support"
>Funny way to spell "cemetery" but hey who am I to judge.
4 HOURS
four-hours
Sure buddy your 40K novel quotes are totally real.
Post your epic Valhallan army btfoing your opponents mulatto Space marines bio lab warriors
I like how from a single video where someone says
-is it true
-no it is not
pol managed to create whole motherfucking narrative of bullshit
It's 4chan and leftypol in a nutshell.
>reservist units getting sent to the meat grinder
>mutipile videos of different Ukrainians with different unit patches all say they’re getting fucked and need to withdrawal
Saw a video of some hohol conscripts retreating, captian yells at them to go back to their position but that they won’t go because they were there for days and are down to seven men hohol commander then says they’re all he has
Like Jesus Christ dude at the very least look at the map objectively
vatnik zigger propaganda!
That pic reminds me when I was 12 and thought adding red to everything in pain was wicked as fuck. Good times, wish I was as young as the creator of that wojack
100% fact every Russian soldier knows: Russian tanks average lifespan in the modern combat is 5 minutes.
Man that was easy. Took me 3 minutes in MS Paint, tops
Is he undercover?
i like how the moron who made the original demonstrated perfectly why all russhits should be executed. most anti-vatnik memes make fun of their subhuman behaviour and lack of civility. but russians don't actually have anything legitimate to ideologically attack hohols with. so they just go:
>"HAHA LOL LOOK AT THIS DUDE HE'S SO DEAD WE RAPED HIS FAMILY HAHA LOSER
as if this doesn't make them even less sympathetic to actual humans then they already are.
they're truly a self-destructive race, the only reason they haven't gone extinct yet is their slavelyness when conquered and their ability to squat behind some mountains when they lose their heartland.
TL;DR vatniks are a tier below some groups of moron, fucking somaliland is more civil than they are.
Don’t care
Imagine a former zoggie gunning hohols refugees They’d never be able to trust their own men ever again and have to purge even more numbers
What are your general orders, private Martinez?
It can happen
damn, you seem butt blasted
does getting blasted into watermelon chunks hit home a little too hard for you shills?
you polish?
you getting drafted?
you gunna defend democracy?
I'm sorry, was that pic supposed to demoralize me? It makes the hate-filled vatnik-killing biomachine look absolutely awesome.
Lmao I’m gonna shoot you in the back pollack before you even step off
T. Your friendly American ally
You know Poles aren't actually getting drafted, right? That was something Russian propaganda made up, sadly.
They have superior artillery though
Also as a former US infantryman I fucked off as soon as we got orders we were gonna train hohols told platoon sarg he’s a moron lover and death to democracy and California
I’d rather weapons free on zogbots than ever fight Ivan
Hello, Private Johnson here from American 82nd guards paratrooper army. I agree, we need to stop training smelly hohols who will fall to glorious russian supersoldiers. Death to america comrade!
79th
gay, and yes death to America they graduated an autistic furry who tried to molest a supply girl despite the fact he was beaten by the entire battalion (fucking moved him company to company)
America is unironically the modern day Babylon and has to be salted down like Carthage was
>Picks a random active US military formation
>Chooses an almost entirely reservist division
>Chooses one with no combat arms, after claiming to be an infantryman doing training
Your handlers should be ashamed of this poor performance. Even if you had typed in coherent English, it would have been a laughable attempt
The left can’t meme.
lmfao "the left"
you nafo gays should be held underwater untill the bubbles stop
The most iconic thing about people who are seething too much to meme properly is that they are far too fucking verbose
The majority of the orbiting statements should be 1-2 words and there is supposed to be some white space between them you dumb vatmoron
>Vatshills seething
Mucho demoralizo very cool Alexei, now show us where on the map the rocket touched you
This is good. It means that they've determined the trade at Bahkmut is beneficial for them if they choose to keep defending it. Looks like I was right all along, the casualty ratio is lopsided in favor of Ukraine, probably somewhere around 1 Ukie to 5~7 vatniks.
They see encirclement, the drone operators see a target rich environment
Hey, shut the fuck up vatmoron 🙂
I am Taras Konscriptchuk from Zhytomyr oblast and I was caught on my way to by bread with my hrivnas and immediately send to Artemovsk the next day, naked and barefoot. I died in meat wave attack on glorious wagner positions this morning at 06:09 am. Don't send weapons to The Ukraine, we will sell it to taliban and isis to shoot down civilian airplanes like we did with Malaysian jet.
Delete this paragraph before posting, make a screenshot of your post and place it in archive, send archive to your curator, he will transfer you your payment by the rate of 15 rubles per post.
man JIDF is in full force today, OP thanks for the thread. Seeing boomer kope and shills seething makes my day.
Now I get why vatniks are screeching the past hour hehe
It is unironically the best canary for Russian misfortune
>decision to hold the city is a strategic, not a political one
But PrepHoleeddit told me that Bakhmut had no strategic significance. So are ukrainians lying, or are you guys just plain fucking clueless?
Are you a fucking retard? It's strategic for Ukies to hold it up until the KD ration isn't 1 to 10 anymore. That's why. When they retreat and Russians take it, they will not enjoy the same ratio because Ukraine will not approach taking it back the same way in summer.
>It's strategic for Ukies to hold it up until the KD ration isn't 1 to 10 anymore.
It's strategic for ukies to lose 10 times more men against what essentially amounts to a penal prison unit? That's kind of a Zulu-tier strategy, but carry on.
> the highest concentration or ROTC and mil personnel
why does you personnel look like cave dwelling troglodyte every time it ventures irl?
you not even trying
>verification not required
Talk is cheap gay, and that’s all you have
>But PrepHoleeddit told me that Bakhmut had no strategic significance
Only vatniks have ever claimed that. Now that Ukraine is getting bored massacring human waves there, the vatniks are changing their story to say it is the #1 strategic site in Ukraine.
>or are you guys just plain fucking clueless?
He said, on the board with the highest concentration or ROTC and mil personnel
So yes, you are just plain fucking useless.
Why are you retard morons still believe in authority? Everyone with 2 braincells should understand just from experience that being a journalist, a soldier, a scientist, president or in any other position of power says absolutely nothing about your expertise in the field you claim to be an expert in. You are still a fucking retard. If you are accidentally right on anything it’s not because of the vast time you spent in your position of power.
>told me that Bakhmut had no strategic significance
It doesn't. Nowhere it says it does. Strategic decision and strategic significance are different things.
Strategic significance means that loosing it would endanger whole region, which is it not.
Strategic decision means that russians are so eager to take it that they hamper their advancements along all the frontline, which means that to keep holding it would majorly fuck over russians on itself, which is incredibly advantageous quality for defensive position.
>which means that to keep holding it would majorly fuck over russians on itself
So allowing large portion of your army to get encircled in a place with "no strategic significance" is incredibly advantegeous for your position. Can you refer to some specific strategist or a particular military doctrine that explains this strategic approach in more detail. Clauzewitz, perhaps?
>5k
>large portion
I see, so we have to somewhat diverging doctrines here:
a) The entire brigades trapped at Bakhmut amount to just 5000 men in total, and fuck those guys anyway. No, we're not going to evacuate them like what the vatnik orcs did in Kherson, we're going to have them all get surrounded and killed because big brain strategic decision and genius advantageous position. In fact, lets reinforce those them and turn decisive defeat into unmitigated disaster of our own making.
b) Pfff. No, the Russians aren't encircling Bakhmut. I guess they surround it on three directions and have fire control over the only road out of it, but it doesn't mean they're close to encircling it, okay? Mkay.
>we're not going to evacuate them like what the vatnik orcs did in Kherson
The Ukrainians were far away enough from Kherson city that it was possible for them to cross unopposed for weeks.
When Russians retreated from towns threatened with encirclement by Ukraine, the Ukies had the artillery pre-sighted on the escape routes. Do not compare a retreat under fire to the relatively calm Kherson withdrawl, which was only shelled on the very last day.
What the fuck are you talking about.
The first guy pointed out that there are only 5k people in Bakhmut. He never said that the Ukrainians wouldn't evacuate them if they came under threat of being encircled. In fact, he said nothing about the possibility of encirclement at all
The second guy said Russia's failure to encircle Bakhmut in the past 8 months means they probably aren't capable of it.
There's no "diverging" here except in your krokodil-addled head.
holy fuck learn to read you worthless shitskin
more like 25k, but that's for the whole operational region, and it holds who knows how fucking much russians, only wagner was up to 50k, even more regular russian units.
There are some flaws in your premise that make this reasoning suspect
In order for Ukrainian forces at Bakhmut to be encircled the Russians would need some means of actually encircling them and since they have been trying to do just for more than seven months without success it seems pretty clear that they do not in fact possess such a capability
I'm as pro-ukraine as they come, to the point I think everyone are being gays beyond belief by not giving Ukraine literally all the planes (F-16 was god damn MADE for this you bastards)
But Russia has ground itself through endless waves of conscripts further on the sides over the course of 7 months, and encirclement is a real danger
Seriously, save the veteran troops, have them turn another town into the new Bakhmut and let the ziggers bleed themselves dry on that one
Stupid Soviets why would you let your army potentially get encircled like this? Just retreat out bro
notion that this was just some 300-400 to the north from the current frontline is quite surreal I must tell
Only 7500 km from Hiroshima, surreal when you think about it.
c'mon anon, it is literally just one map away if you continue it down with the same scope
It really is. Also they’ll be digging tanks out fields for a while longer, T-72s joining those T-34s they still find out there
History ryhmes, and you are living through a little extra history than usual this decade
This single battle alone is more kino than anything that has come out of this war and probably deserves at least half as many threads as this slavshit.
>Germans get exhausted attacking layers of Soviet defenses and then Russians counterattack
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW
luv me attack then counterattack battle
it's simply kino
simple as
Russians are idiots. They use up all their assets in Pyrrhic Victories and play right into the Ukrainian hands.
>after 6 months of nothing Ivanovich takes Vanya's bathroom in Pyorteromorsk (Pyorteromirsk in Ukrainian)
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Ukraine's army is at zero risk of an encirclement right now. If it is at risk of encirclement they will probably pull out like they did in the Donbass sieges early in the war.
Ukraine bloodying the Russian army in those sieges before ultimately withdrawing is largely what enabled the Kharkiv counteroffensive. The Russian military cannot replace losses quickly enough. This is not the era of the great patriotic war, quality modern soldiers require an insane investment in time and resources and Russia expended most of their best men in the opening days of the war pursuing unachievable objectives. The survival rates of mobiks are horrendous so the bloodying of the Russian army isn't even producing meaningful veterancy.
Ukraine's army can't even bring ammo into Bakhmut without getting shelled to shit.
You've been proclaiming the fall of Bakhmut for six months now. State a clear date by which Bakhmut will fall, and if it does not donate half the average monthly salary in wherever you live to the armed forces of Ukraine.
>Ukraine's army can't even bring ammo into Bakhmut without getting shelled to shit.
surely you can post a link to some proof of this?
even just one single recent video?
To be fair, Ukraine's command constantly says the situation is critical, however no mention of supply routes being under fire control or anything.
But they all also say the same thing: we have it under control
I have been hearing that PrepHoleope for a year now, yet it’s still not even close to true. On what basis do you make such retarded assumptions?
dumb fucking moron, it's march 2023 and all you have to show is seething about "muh bakhmut" for months. do you not realize how fucking over it is for you?
Fighting in Bahkmut is a strategic decision, because the Ukrainians are inflicting unequal casualties on one of the greatest concentrations of orcs in their territory, and because not fighting in Bahkmut would free up Russian resources to be used elsewhere where they are more threatening to Ukrainian goals.
Even if the AFU wasn't inflicting lopsided losses on the Russians in Bahkmut (they are), forcing the Russians to commit excess combat power to that theater to accomplish their goals frees up Ukrainian combat power for other theaters. This effect is maximized when Ukraine commits just enough force to cause Russia to take months to advance meter by meter.
> Im starting to think this is the hill the AFU will die
You were saying the exact same thing about Severodonut.
The same as soledar.
> this is the last hold out it is over.
it is all Z COPE
Haven't seen all the gayy russian cocksuckers this antsy in a while. What happened?
Strikes on infrastructure way behind the lines
That's important, yes.
Reinforcements are sent whether Ukraine is winning or losing, you should always recycle your combat weary troops with fresh ones. Of course that argument assumes OP is acting in good faith which he clearly isn’t.
Sounds like total bullshit. Why would they announce this anyway? Bakhmut is gone, everyone knows it, and this is such an obviously retarded move that it's almost impossible that it's really happening.
https://twitter.com/NeilPHauer/status/1630639482775977984
Why would people announce reinforcements in the Mariupol direction?
>inb4 muh feint
It's either Mariupol//Melitopol or Svatove at this point.
Those places are too far behind the lines
What don't you understand in the word "direction"?
Svatove is about 10km from the frontline.
Good, defend strategic positions no matter what. Don’t give the enemy an inch
so far the majority of those dying on this hill aren't ukrainian
So it's another severodonetsk situation?
>Im starting to think this is the hill the AFU will die
So if Russia ends up stuck on the next irrelevant town after Bakhmut, you'll realize you were wrong and start questioning the validity of your current information sources?
Bradleys riding to Bakhmut nice
I just saw the video of the 19th with Bradleys roll in yesterday, the timing would check out
>they keep sending badly trained and equipped troops to bakhmut, some mobilized 7 days ago and sent directly to the front
surely you can easily provide some proof of this?
No proof this isn't just stuffing conscripts into trenches to hold the line. That can go on for years.
>spent the past half year thinking that Ukraine was playing 4D chess by using Bakhmut to bleed Russian men and resources
>They're actually just as autistically fixated on holding it as Russia is on taking it
Sad
I really hope they are either making some time and some breathing room so they can retreat more safely, or that there is some deus ex machina massive offensive being prepared, which is unlikely. If they keep sending conscripts to defend the line and they end up encircled I will stop following this war until it's over and then I just Google how things ended. I wouldn't be able to cope with Ukraine making such a retarded move, the vatnik posters celebrating and PrepHole pretending that akshually it's still beneficial and the 8D chess is still going
Alternatively they could have just stockpiled an obscene number of grenades and drones, and are going to fuly deplete the entire area of Russians in the next few weeks even if fully surrounded just by drone warfare, allowing the Ukies to walk right in since everyone is fucking dead.
But that's not likely so wishful thinking really.
I got a strong feeling they're going to keep holding it till they actually get put under siege in which case they'll hold it till they can send in a relief force to open up a corridor to retreat or push it back to square 1. The idea behind all this would be to just cause as much damage to the Russians as possible.
It's more or less what the americans did with Khe Sanh and that whole northern edge of South Vietnam. So we may be in this shithole for the real long run. We'll be talking about Bakhmut in december by the looks of it.
Or maybe you just listen to soldiers on ground there, like Madyar and Motolife, that situation is hard but aren't that bad that they need to withdrawal. They literally got fresh batch of ammo today
>all major roads now take or under fire control
>this is fine
I don’t think you realize Wagner isn’t gonna storm them they’re gonna squeeze hohols out with one shitty way out and bomb the hell out of it
Like the mongols did
Ain’t no reason to force your enemy against the wall like in fallujah
That took a while as well but hohols now have two choices
Make a run for the fields and risk your rancid ass blown or stay and get starved out, Wagner owner also claimed they’re expecting to keep fighting for the next three years when they reach the dniper
Uhhh, we've seen Russian firecontrol, when they couldn't do shit to Ukrainian retreat in Lysychansk
Imagine if this entire war just turns into a decade long battle over Bakhmut
>defending cities is bad
???
The plan is to exhaust the Russian army of gear and manpower at Bakhmut in preparation of the spring offensive, where the ukies make a move nobody expected.
t. Knower
>The plan is
everyone knows this already
problem is that they about to send some of those reserves they prepared for later right now over Bakhmut.
And they either manage to retake control over the roads to the town and gonna be able to hold town itself for many more months and everything cool, OR they fail to do so, waste precious manpower and would be forced to retreat from the yown under fire over a muddy road anyway.
Town of Bakhmut itself can hold for very long without problem, ruskies won't assault it directly anyway as they have severe ptsd after Mariupol and SD, but supply routes to the town are weak points and that's sucks.
I would agree this is it for Ukraine if the opposing army was anyone but the RuAF and separatists. Arty keeps pushing Ukes out of their trenches BUT the Russians are perpetually just a step away from disaster. If Ukraine is able to amass another offensive, Russia will certainly just run without fighting as with last year’s offensive.
if the war was going well for Ukraine NATO wouldn't be in such a rush to send weapons that could escalate things after hesitating to do so for over a year. And China wouldn't suddenly be in a rush to back a loser after staying neutral for so long. the US wouldn't be seething over China potentially sending lethal aid if Russia was about to collapse and China wouldn't bother for the same reason
Ukraine is in a tough spot right now when to comes to casualties to manpower ratio. But I wouldn't say that they are losing, I'd say they are in a critical moment and they must play their hand very intelligently to have a good chance at a successful offensive. This not the moment to make moves motivated by political image, trying to hold onto Soledar was already a bad move, they have to be smart with their plans in Bakhmut.
The US did make threats to China in the beginning of the war an throughout it, it is nothing new, China has already helped Russia with non-lethal aid and with the economic sanctions. Sending weapons would be an escalation of their support for Russia, not a departure from neutrality
So if the war was going well for Ukraine it makes sense to immediately stop sending aid? So that the war would not go as well? Are you perhaps a bit retarded?
Bakhmut overall has been an absolute blessing for Ukies. They got a shooting gallery of vatniks to freely shred for fun for fucking 7 months. You need a 3 to 1 advantage to win if you're on the offensive side, and that's considering both sides are at least somewhat equal. These are not equal sides. Ukies had training, equipment, intel, accurate arty, better positions. Vatniks had rusty AKs if they were lucky, constant rape, constant vodka, no winter gear, were treated like cannon fodder, stormed heavily fortified positions through open fields. All for 7 months. A 10:1 KDR in Ukie favor is just the starting point, it can easily be much higher. Bakhmut is not fucking Berlin. It's a fucking 70k pre war pop town. Now Puccia has to grind out Sloviansk and Kramatorsk with a combined pre war pop of ~300k. Good fucking luck with that.
>Ukraine manages to hold, resupply and reinforce a city which you've been besieging for almost 7 months
>this is a victory for russia
Bakhmut will probably fall but they'll have real difficulties pushing any further than that considering the aid that is coming.
It's not a strategically important city, it's pre-war population was 73k and now it's all bombed to shit.
The reason ukraine even holds it at all is because you always take more casualties when attacking than when youre defending or retreating
I don't understand why you morons keep saying "it's an x size city anyway" this isn't a strategy game, no city in Ukraine is "strategically important" they get their weapons from foreign countries and they already conscripted everyone they could conscript, I guess you could say some cities have symbolic value like Kharkiv or administrative like Kiev but it's not like Ukraine is pumping weapons out of cities and sitting on available manpower, every city in Ukraine right now has nothing but babushkas and essential workers, everyone else is in the army or in the EU
Cities in this war have geographical value only and Bakhmut and it's surrounding villages was a fortress of hills,commie blocks and prewar dug up positions and it's necessary to take it to assault the next city which is the last line of defence in the dombass
they're just coping. what does it matter what size a city or village was, when it's the size of defennding army and state of fortifications that counts?
retard. Russia is about to get pushed back stupid vatnick
>this is the hill the AFU will die
Someone will
Wagner just launched an offensive to fully encircle the city, expect many blue armbands in bodybags in the next few days, soledar times 10, ukros should have saved their troops instead of providing fertilizer to the ruskies
Needs more cope arrows
Here. Educate your retarded ass.
Efforts to achieve X don't guarantee to achieve X. Wagner launching an offensive doesn't guarantee they'll succeed in it.
>Close circle
>getting pulverized from west
I dont think they will encircle. Just increase controll of that street. Besides they could already shoot that road.
>Wagner just launched an offensive
yeah, they've been doing that for quite a while now kek
That's still more notice than what their opposition is getting.
>More reinforcements
Poland scraped 3k Ukrainian refuges from their streets and sent them back to Zelensky to fill the gaps in Bakhmut with them.
Wow so fun zister, so true! You showed'em! Z!
that meltdown anon
Like Polaks have experience doing vassal work like that, just like during ww2 when they where shipping garden gnomes for the german nazi overlords to polish concentration camps.
At least you're no longer trying to hide the fact that you're a garden gnome worshiper.
Stop replying to your own posts vatmoron
Some official reports about that? Newspaper or official social media accounts? Because the refugees i see are women, so i doubt that there are 3k male (18+) refugees to begin with. Maybe they sent papers to Ukrainian workers that worked there before 2022?
I'm in Croatia and we have ton of man from Ukraine here tho they're obviously all higher class driving nice cars and shit.
Not that Croatia didn't do the same during Balkan wars.
20% of refugees are men, dunno how many are over 50-60, how many are actually africans or how many are actually disabled.
maybe the strategy is just to inflict as much casualties on the Russians as much as possible and then retreat and blow up the city when they can no longer hold the city.
If the Russians lost twice as many soldiers than Ukrainians just to capture Bakhmut, then perhaps it was worth it.
>twice
see
Russia has demonstrated it will kill as many of its own people as is necessary, no matter the cost. If a million Russians need to die, then they'll enter martial law, suspend courts and conscript anyone not necessary to the function of the state apparatus. I honestly would not be surprised if, after the penal battalions are thinned out, they take inspiration from history and start sending graduating high school boys to the front as their mandatory service. You can't win a war of attrition with a country that doesn't care about casualties and requires only punitive rape, beatings and vodka for morale.
Russia only has three times as many people as Ukraine. Casualty ratios are at two to one, and should be getting better for Ukraine as the West gives them more modern equipment in the next year. The idea behind attrition isn't jusf forcing Russia to give up, it's slaughtering all of them if they don't.
The Russians have lost a lot more than twice as many. My lowest estimates for this battle are 1k dead on Ukrainians and 10k dead on Russians and that's just the lowest. They wanted a Khe Sanh like situation, they're getting a Khe Sanh like casualty rate.
I'm willing to bet the Ukrainians aren't planning on retreating but holding it even as the city is put under actual siege. Then if they get overrun they explode the fortress city with everything and everyone they got possibly including planes as a relief force is sent to punch their way to Bakhmut to rescue survivors. They may even stay there afterwards.
So, is Bakhmut important or isn’t it? Ukraine shills have been playing both sides, and I don’t pay attention to the war. What’s the party line right now?
The city isn't strategically important but cities are good defensive terrain so when you're on the defense holding them for as long as possible is a sound and time tested tactic to inflict high casualties and buy time. Maybe if you weren't a total retard/shitposter you could grasp the basics.
Okay, so the loss of Bakhmut shouldn’t impinge on Ukraine’s strategic situation going forward as its usefulness as a casualty sink is exhausted. This assumes that Ukraine hasn’t suffered severe casualties from holding the city, of course, which despite what is plastered all over this shithole of a board, is not a given. I guess we’ll see how it turns out going forward, moron.
>what is plastered all over this shithole of a board, is not a given
Again if you had more than two braincells to rub together you could actually figure this out for yourself but I'll hold your hand. Sure no one is 100% sure of the exact casualty numbers. But again using basic logic, attackers usually lose more men than defenders. Especially when attacking a city with tons of defensive emplacements, a city that still isn't totally encircled after half a year under siege. You could mitigate this with better tech or training but we know Russians don't have really have an edge there. We also know for a fact that Russia is using fresh conscripts and literal human wave tactics using prison battalions. So all the evidence points to higher Russian casualties. Sure with the fog of war theoretically the Ukrainians could have higher casualties but theoretically you could be a Havard graduate but I'm not holding my breath on that one.
The Ukrainians don’t merely have to have fewer causalities, moron. If as you’ve suggested they’re using the city as a meat grinder they need to hit whatever favorable ratio they need given the manpower disparity — not simply “more.” And that’s not a given, as I said. All of your logic works back from what you take for granted, which is the competence of the Ukrainians and the surety of the intel we have. You may yet be right, but you’re far too retarded and your logic is way too self serving to be this smug about it.
it's important because Russia thinks it's important.
>I don’t pay attention to the war
wat
>no greater strategic value beyond being in the way (certainly not enough to be worth the losses Russia has taken over it)
>only originally intended as a speedbump to slow Russia's advance before the actual defensive line
>six months later they're still slamming their head against the wall because sunk cost fallacy
It's important because the Ukrainians are a no step back kind of army. It has little actual importance in the grand scheme of things, the one thing that could make it important is the casualties suffered there and good luck finding out what the ratios are actually like.
I think it's a Verdun situation where both sides want to exhaust the other
What's the most accurate casualties estimate for Russia and Ukraine?
Russia seems to have lost more than 3 times as many vehicles than Ukrainians, but vehicles are easier to document losses, infantry not so much.
We probably won't get anything remotely accurate for years after the conflict is over, and likely won't get real figures ever. Such is life in communist rasha
I think they're abandoning Bakmuth now. This news plus the counterattack of monday was exactly how Severodonietsk went when they left.
The battle for Blackedmutt is soon to be over....but the battle for the next two more weeks city is about to begin.
Where are they moving after Bakhmut?
Donetsk.
Back to port under their own power.
>Unsourced claim of RUSSIAN mobiks being sent to the meatgrinder without proper training and weapons
MUHAHAHAAA PUCCIA LOSING SO BADLY NOW, MORE DEAD VATmoronS MUHAHA
>Unsourced claim of UKRAINIAN mobiks being sent to the meatgrinder without proper training and weapons
GOOD MORNING SIR! NOOO CAN'T BE, YOU ARE A LYING, COCKSUCKING VATmoron AND YOU ARE BROWN
The absolute state of PrepHole... Do you fags even realize that you are literally carbon copies of the infinitely coping vatmorons? Do you realize that you are falling for your own wartime propaganda exactly the same way vatmorons do?
both sides are lying because both sides are slavs this is in their blood.
And that is expected of them during wartime. It's multipurpose propaganda. What is scary though, is how many people are falling for it. On both sides!
You are nicely proving my point.
>Points out the PrepHole hypocrisy
>Immidiately get insulted by PrepHole hypocrites
Great, thanks for proving my point.
>make a retarded, low effort, attention seeking, embarrassing post
>get made of for it
>uhhh aksually you just proved my point XD
How much will you degrade yourself for (You)s? What's next, wojaks?
>Pointing out hypocrisy is low effort, retarded attention-seeking, and embarrassing
Wow, you are a genius. And yes, you just proved my point by irrationally attacking me for stating facts.
You made up a hypothetical scenario based on strawmen. You certainly didn't post any "facts". Keep fighting the mean evil PrepHole hypocrites who keep "attacking" you for being soooo brave and correct.
>Hypothetical scenario
Is this your first time on PrepHole? When people here started posting unverified claims last year from UMD about Russia sending untrained mobiks without proper weapons and ammo, people here were cumming all over themselves. Now, the same unverified claim is made about Ukraine and suddenly it's the end of the world. All while both claims remain unverified and most likely a bullshit spread for propaganda reasons. Are you so braindead that you can't see that BOTH sides are spewing bullshit left and right?
PrepHole is not one person. Taking posts from a year ago and comparing them to posts being made now and acting like it's proof of hypocrisy is retarded. The idea that it's the same posters is purely hypothetical. If it isn't the same posters it by definition isn't hypocrisy. You effectively made a strawman to make yourself look smart and superior. Which imo is sad which is why I made fun of you.
> you so braindead that you can't see that BOTH sides are spewing bullshit left and right?
Pointing out there's dumb people and propaganda on both sides is extremely obvious to everyone worth a shit. Apply yourself.
>PrepHole is not one person
Where did I imply that PrepHole is one person and that all of these posts are made by one person? Last year was when these claims started, and these claims are still being posted and referred to even now, therefore the relevancy stays the same.
>Creating own headcanon about my post motivation
Once again you are speculating about my motivation and wrongly assuming I did it to feel smart and superior. My main motivation was to call out the hypocrites taking the same claims instead of immediately dismissing them as fabricated bullshit, accepting it and celebrating it from one side and completely rejecting it from the other. That's it. That's the motivation. If you see anything else behind it, then that's your own headcanon.
>My main motivation was to call out the hypocrites taking the same claims instead of immediately dismissing them as fabricated bullshit, accepting it and celebrating it from one side and completely rejecting it from the other.
How do you know people (singular) are doing this? Do they do both in the same post? Even if it's true it's still a nothing post.
>some vague amount people on both sides have a confirmation bias
Woah no way. Thank you pointing this out with a shitty, pepe post and then defending your shitty post for several more posts.
>Points out the PrepHole "hypocrisy"
Lakhta pidors have convinced themselves that they're so good at it, Goebbels would be proud.
And what are Ukies "LYING" about exactly, pidoraha? Their losses? The ones they chose not to disclose publicly? Misdirection? Any examples? No? Ok.
Lets compare and contrast, shall we?
>Ukies don't disclose their losses. Presumably for morale reasons.
>Some other examples you'll provide us with, I'm fucking sure.
>HIMARs destroyed before they were even deployed, not effective at all against supreme Pozzed might, sold off for a vodka bottle each because Ukies are such degenerates.
>Bradleys destroyed before the contract to deliver them was even signed and finalized.
>Flagship Moskva not sunk, not damaged, ok damaged, but due to weather, it was retired anyway and was supposed to be sunk.
>Kiev was merely a feint. So was Kherson, and Kharkov.
>Zelensky is in Poland, UK, US, France and all other countries simultaneously.
>Zelensky also stole everything the west gave in aid and fled.
>All aid is sold off to the Pozzians for a pittance because Ukies are such degenerates. How they continue fighting remains a mystery.
>Biolabs. The fucking biogoose biolabss were developing a virus that targeted slavs, but Ukies and Pozzians are the same people, look it just works ok?
>Ukies are nazis. And garden gnomes too. And tranies. And they're all black too.
>Pirate assassin.
>Green wig, Sims 3, red t-shirt with massive swastika.
>Ukraine lost more tanks than both sides had from the start combined.
>Lost more Byraktar drones than Turkey ever built.
>Lost three times more men than they had at the start and Pozzians still don't just bum-rush Kiev in a weekend.
>AZOV nazis teleport around the whole country and draw Vs and Zs on their own exploded armor. Reasons unknown.
That's just off the top of my head. Feel free to add more. The two sides are not the same. You're either a well poisoning Lakhta vatnik pidor, or a genuine retard.
>le both sides
No, Vania. One side is a little worse here.
Ukrainians lie by omission and misdirection.
Russians lie by telling you the sky is red when it's clearly blue, then incoherently shriek schizo-tier conspiracy theories at you when you point you out. That and a LOT of projection.
>everyone is a retard execpt for me, the pepe posting, fence sitting, polesmoking gigafag
>I'm sooooo smart look at me I'm so smart guys lol I'm soo above all of this XD
I'm not impressed princess. Call your mom next time you want validation instead of embarrassing yourself like this.
have a nice day vatmoron piece of shit. Every Ukrainian soldier gets elite NATO training and they kill 100 mobiks per hour.
I don't even try anymore. 4chan was always shit but this war made even worse. Actively supporting a genocidal war is subhuman behavior. PrepHole on the other hand, while they do support the right side, has lost every right to call anyone else a coper and to make fun of Reddit's hive mind behavior.
If Ukraine losing less troops than Russia in this battle, isn't it a good strategy to keep defending the city?
If you're confident, go take that hill. You know where the recruitment office is. Get mobilized, pidaras.
Bakhmut is the center axis of which this war revolves. Once Ukrainian forces withdraw it is understood by Russia and NATO the war will be over. It is why Putin is currently negotiating nuclear treaties from a position of power. The drone strikes on Russian soil are nothing but a cornered animal lashing out in fear. They have a few weeks worth of drones left tops.
You are one stupid bitch if you think this is THE Stalingrad moment for Ukraine. Russia has multiple Stalingrad level sieges to look forward to, and every one of them designed to bleed Russia white. I know you're paid to think this shit up though so I forgive you.
>he thinks the Wagner owner was serious and wasn’t baiting hohols into staying and funneling endless men and western equipment into a fucking cauldron
Yeah, dog glad I left, don’t trust officers for shit
Also lmao Russia isn’t gonna storm cities
What apart of isolate and starve out don’t you guys get? That’s if Ukraine is stupid enough to stay which they look like they are lmao they should’ve left months ago and held what they knew they could, I heard the fall of Soledar was the beginning of the end how are hohols gonna take it when another 6k men (at minimum estimates go up to 50k) get surrounded? By a PMC of all things
>isolate and starve out
so another 2 months before Bakhmut falls?
Nah probably longer from what I understand Ivan’s are going for the next line of defense already, liveuamap said Russians were probing chasiv yar the final line of defense before its open fields again
>inb4 muh entrenchments
The Ukrainian defenses in the east were build up for 8 years with combat experience that’s irreplaceable
>we have you surrounded you must abandon hohols
>didn't you hear, YOU'RE SURROUNDED
>REEEEE why does Zelenskyi not care about his men
>*farts and shits uncontrolably* p-p-pl-please leave ukrops please *sniff* I don't want to be in a muddy ditch outside Bakhm- I mean Artyomoyvozok for 6 more months
6
MORE
MONTHS
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Battle_of_Fallujah
>a month and a half for a village against like 3k poorly trained dudes
Lol lmao even, reminder we lost 130k in Afghanistan because veteran suicide was a part of the talichad playbook
>a month and a half
Bakhmut has been "besieged" since summer.
>against 3k militiamen
It lasted longer too because I remember my zoggie cousin tell me about holdouts in basements taking pop shots at amerimutts wayyy after the fighting ended too
Like look at even the pro Ukrainian map
Ivaninstak or whatever is now a focal point of defense for this pocket apparently (Ukrainian command said it today in their newest report)
So they either think they can retake it or they’re retarded
they've been attacking Bakhmut since April last year you utterly deranged retarded moron
they've claimed "encirclement" whatever that means in the minds of degenerate zigger cattle, since September of last year LMAO
>we
you are a rusmoron cattle, fucking subhuman
As you can see my fellow American is brain dead tbh, bakhmut was always going to be encircled and honestly the way you shitbags react is exactly why I left that shitty army
You didn’t expect dissents from your side to hate your guts to such that they would side with anyone against you?
Damn that’s crazy lmao.
Kabul is still taliban controlled 20 years of GWOT lmao
Least convincing larp of the week.
There are many reasons for the current zigger fallout, but the excessive focus on casualties and conscription is not a coincidence.
One of the fresh scandals in Russia is the excessive casualties of 2 batallions of mobilized from Irkutsk after they repeatedly wrote home about the "lawless and criminal orders of high command". The governor of Irkutsk promissed on 26.02 to "transfer the fellows to a new place" - instead early today (01.03) they were ordered to participate in a fresh assault towards Avdeevka.
Isn't that the reserve unit that got put under command of the separatists? I was thinking this was just Wagner infowar bullshit as they're currently attacking Bakhmut in large scale. Again.
>Russian economy actually improved
>30bil deficit for the month of January
>VAT-tax revenue slashed by half
>oil and gas revenue down by 40%
So when the IMF projected vatas Gdp would shrink by 8% that was all bullshit, but now that IMF projects vatas GDP would increase by 0.0003% based on a bunch of arbytrary numbers pulled from someone;s anus back in november, it's gospe beyond reproach nowl?
Looks better than my state, tbh
Got cheap gas too damn expensive
Again Russia looks like it’s just chilling
Not suffering in unbearable winter like the euros said they would though, all Ivan had to do was resell to chinks and pajeets, so yeah I mean if we pushed Russia away for Ukraine I guess you call that W but they’re both corrupt Slavic shitholes, one is larger and could’ve been a nice ally against chinks
America’s lack of geopolitical understanding will be its own death like Afghanistan got clapped in a day
Russia would never have been an ally against the Chinese because they’re Allies of convenience against the US.
Damn it’s almost like we backed them against a wall by unironically choosing toilet cleaning pollacks and Ukrainians
Absolute state of American realpolitik
No wonder we lost Afghanistan in a week
Nah, they chose this path. They were invited to the Partners of Peace program in the 90s, the Russians continued to sperg out about not being allowed into NATO just because they asked nicely (and didn't want to spend time going through the official process on the grounds of "we're special") then made a habit of just randomly invading their neighbors.
Sorry, we don't need that kind of "partner" in Europe, and frankly if they are performing this poorly against a nation whose gear they helped design I think them fighting in a war against China would have been a detriment for us. Ironically China is probably thinking the same thing about Russia now.
I find the people who lost Afghanistan in a week are not in a place to judge a 21st century conventional war
As well as ignoring all of Russia’s security concerns was something notorious during those times so why did you leave that part out? In fact it was surprising we even acknowledged Chechnya as terrorist but that was only because of Islam being in the crosshairs of globohomo
I mean sure if you don’t want Russia as an ally go ahead Ukraine is not much better
Neither is europe who were always just expensive America cultural colonies than anything else
Russia will be fine without America as will China eventually, not so sure about America with a complete lack of social unity and cohesion
You're not american you stupid cunt. We can tell by your atrocious english.
Not at all ese
Yo onions parte de Los Nuevo americanos I’m glad you imported us I find it insanely funny to watch America commit suicide while living off their tax dollars, the Roman Empire didn’t commit suicide there were outside factors same with the British and Russians, Chinese and everyone
America is the first superpower I’ve ever seen commit cultural suicide through a sheer lack of geopolitical understanding, reminder you removed and alienated a pro American ally then replaced saddam with a pro shia (Iran simps) government
Like my sides are gone, there’s a lot of these
>the Russians continued to sperg out about not being allowed into NATO
They were and refused.
>one is larger and could’ve been a nice ally against chinks
You are absolutely out of your fucking mind if you think Russia would ever ally itself against their main economical partner, whom they share a massive land border with and whose armed forces are in a far superior state of readiness than Russia's. I suggest laying off the crack pipe.
>You are absolutely out of your fucking mind if you think Russia would ever ally itself against their main economical partner, whom they share a massive land border with and whose armed forces are in a far superior state of readiness than Russia
But anon, Russia set itself against Europe already
>Not suffering in unbearable winter like the euros said they would though
The line is "Europe will freeze" not "Europe said Russia will freeze"
I also remember these words “though winter will be tough for us we must make it unbearable for Russia”
From some kraut slut
Your games won’t work here mr cia
Sorry, your russian memes are too obscure for me, sir.
Sir, the armed forces of the United States of America can no longer address commissioned officers as sir or madam.
Really? What do they call them now?
Russians are laughably pathetic. It's through sheer luck that western nations still haven't managed to develop a system capable of countering nuke spam, cause on the day that happens, Russia is over.
>You dumb gay we could’ve been Allies instead we went down this moronifed chud loving hellscape we call modern America
The possibility went out the window when the Tsar's family was massacred and the Bolsheviks won the Civil War. Get real, you delusional lunatic.
To the last hohol