Molotov Cocktails

>Associated with riots, rebels and violent protests.
>Used since the 1930's.
>Cheap and easy to make.

Can they be made more effective somehow?
Is bigger better?
What are the chances of setting yourself on fire?
Why are they not illegal in your country?

I've been on the receiving end of one and it set my trouser legs on fire. It was an unpleasant experience.

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Used since clay pots and flamable liquid

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      A molotov wienertail is specifically a glass bottle

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Molotov wienertail is just the name that stuck after the winter war. The concept of flammable material in a breakable container is much older

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Yes but we're specifically talking about the type created during the Winter War and named after Molotov. We're not talking about thrown incendiary devices in general.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Yes, that wienertail is best enjoyed with a basket of bread.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    IIRC if you add styrofoam to the fuel mixture it becomes sticky and more dangerous.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Or, as they used to do, a piece of rubber

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Can they be made more effective somehow?
    Wouldn't adding very fine aluminium powder cause the fire to burn hotter? At least styrofoam gets nowadays put in to the mixture in every military quide. During winter warthe FDF had tar in the mixture as well to get some extra smoke.
    >What are the chances of setting yourself on fire?
    Depends on whether you know what you are doing or not.
    >Why are they not illegal in your country?
    Because perkele.

    Btw, instead of a rag attach a storm match on the side of the molotov and then you have a molotov that will not leak. Those are what the Finnish forces used during the winter war. You only need a match box to set one on fire and such FDF models can be transported in a satchel ready to be used untill it is needed

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The original design document said a lit but unthrown one is still good to replace the match and reuse, haven't seen that mentioned anywhere else.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah the burning rag in a bottle is the worst way to use them, nations that adopted them as military weapons have them screwed shut with matches on the side. Much safer for the thrower.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        That doesn’t work you can’t make these yourself. The matches will blow out from the wind

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          That's why you use stormproof matches you dumdum. The large kinds burn for a good minute, no matter the wind or anything.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Dumb shower thought: could a sparkler substitute for one of these?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              I don't see why it wouldn't. It burns hot and I'd bet that if you drop a burning sparkle stick in to some gasoline, it would light it up. The issue would become with lighting up the sparkle sticks, they take somewhat lot of effort to start going.
              Stormproof matches on the other hand are both water and windproof already and only require a match striker to get going. Easier to light up a stormproof match on the battlefield during combat with hands shaking from adrenaline vs keeping a lighter long enough at the end of the sparkle stick.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                bring a torch lighter to be sure

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              I have heard of the idea before, dont know about sparklers being waterproof, but something tells me the mixture would have to be higher ABV for simple sparks to ignite it in comparison to a flame.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I think sparklers are waterproof? Oxidising mixtures burn in water, thats why you usally stick them in a bucket of sand when your done with them.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >I have heard of the idea before, dont know about sparklers being waterproof,
                The most common type of sparklers are literally just a small amount of Thermite paste brushed onto an iron wire. They burn out if you submerge them (not enough mass to sustain the burn faster than the water can draw heat off) but they can survive at least a little rain and the iron core stays red-hot for a few seconds after the burn goes out. If you wad together 5-6 sprinklers they'll burn for a few seconds under water. A butane torch is usually cheap and will reliably light them.
                The sparklers wrapped in paper on a wooden stick are pockets of thermite and iron filings mixed into a much faster-burning mixture with some chemical tweaks to change the colors as it burns. They won't do shit.

                Catapult, trebuchet, dropped from a drone/upper floor/rooftop, possibilities are endless

                Water balloon catapult. Or so I have heard.
                A leather sling in-between a couple of those spring exercisers also works for launching moderate-sized projectiles. My Navy buddies and I used one to drop ~1qt water balloons into the Marine barrack's smoke pit from the courtyard of our main barracks about 300 yards away, usually firing indirect over an intervening barracks with a spotter on the top floor. It was surprisingly accurate and mobile with a four-man team, certainly within minute-of-tank.

                ..if you were a Marine in training at Lemoore NAS from 1999-2003 I'm sort of sorry. Or that one poor Kuwaiti bastard we hit three times in one afternoon. But in our defense it was incredibly funny.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Most Molotovs are Gasoline or similar, not Alcohol.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Had a brainfart there, didnt realize, but you can get 80% ABV alc here in stores for homebrewing medicinal liquors, or use spiritus (denat alcohol) that burns like a mother, but is more expensive than petrol.
                But yes, petrol with diluted styrofoam seems like the ideal mixture.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                In a situation of absolutely most dire need, would it be worth it for people to use alcohol if it was all they had on hand?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Alcohol isn't great for starting fires because it has a very low boiling point. It doesn't soak in the way gasoline does.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Sure but there's a difference between not great and completely useless.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Wrap some aluminum foil around the body of the sparkler, leaving only the tip exposed. The energy that would have gone into making sparks will instead go into melting the foil, which will easily get hot enough to ignite gasoline.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              I thought about it and waved a sparkler around my yard to test it without breaking any law, it failed badly.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      styrofoam or some other gelling agent is standard, it has to be napalm to be a Molotov wienertail. idk about the aluminum powder.
      now put it in a thin plastic bottle and shoot it from a can cannon with enough velocity to burst it on impact

      https://i.imgur.com/pazosO2.jpeg

      >Associated with riots, rebels and violent protests.
      >Used since the 1930's.
      >Cheap and easy to make.

      Can they be made more effective somehow?
      Is bigger better?
      What are the chances of setting yourself on fire?
      Why are they not illegal in your country?

      I've been on the receiving end of one and it set my trouser legs on fire. It was an unpleasant experience.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >blank launched
        I'd be worried about bursting a plastic bottle.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          some kind of wad or shot cup is needed, cardboard maybe

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >What are the chances of setting yourself on fire?
    If you leave it uncorked like that, roughly 100%

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      My tin foil theory is that molotov coctails are deliberately portrayed in media as rag shoved down the neck of the bottle with gasoline, so during unrest plebs is less effective and more likely to hurt themselves

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It could be Hollywood moronation, or it could be hollywood trickery.
        Who knows?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It could be hollywood moronation, or it could be hollywood trickery.
        Who knows?

        The classic rag in a bottle does still work and everyone can make one, you just have to not be a moron.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Everyone can also make one with rag or other flamable stuff attached to the outside with bottle safely closed. Or self igniting one, if Home Army could make them in nazi occupied Warsaw, so can you

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          That doesn’t work you can’t make these yourself. The matches will blow out from the wind

          >Rag in the bottle
          Instant deathtrap. When you pull it back the burning liquid splashes you.

          >Rag around the top of a sealed bottle
          better, but still harder to throw as far

          >flares/long burning matches around the sides
          Military grade.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous
  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I've heard that putting a rock or battery on the inside helps the bottle break consistently. Bottles are actually very hard to break. The ones in movies are designed to break. Scoring the glass might also help.
    I've also heard that there are ways to enhance the fuel, like shaved wax, sugar or styrofoam to make it sticky.
    That's all hearsay and making these is illegal, and I'm just saying things that I've heard.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Making these is illegal
      Just don't live in a shitty country and it's all fine.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Full bottles are hard to break, half or 3/4 full ones break very readily, and a half bottle of styrofoam/gasoline will still provide lots of burn.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Motor oil is the best additve.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Big bottle = big boom

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Launched with a catapult?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Catapult, trebuchet, dropped from a drone/upper floor/rooftop, possibilities are endless

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      step the frick back

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Damn, manlytears didn't age very well

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Can they be made more effective somehow?
    seen sand Black folk load them into slingshots to fire them over buildings
    >Is bigger better?
    bigger is called a petrol bomb
    >What are the chances of setting yourself on fire?
    not very high unless you managed to spill some on yourself or if your fuse burns out and it goes atmosphere air fuel ratio in your hand but just drop it lmao
    >Why are they not illegal in your country?
    theyre illegal but i make them for partys because everyone likes throwing them at the burn pit.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Used since the 1930's.
    Fricking American education.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Used to make them with cloth neatly wrapped on the outside with a really strong oxidizer that dried into the cloth and a few drops of battery acid in the gasoline. When the bottle busted open the gasoline instantly ignited.. So instead of a flaming bottle, it looks like just a regular bottle has been thrown until it hits.. Snipers don't play and will drop people they see holding a lit Molotov.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Did they have styrafoam in ww2 when the molotov was invented? No. So how did they make them. 50/50 gasoline/engine oil. Works great. Styrafoam is for morons.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    molotovs are a commie weapon. I prefer the capitalist version of this weapon.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Regarded af

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >the weapon gets adopted by a small people fighting against communist hordes
      >the weapon gets named after the same communist politician who claimed that the cluster bombs dropped in helsinki were merely bread baskets, in order to mock the said politician
      >the weapon gets called communistic by some autist on the mongolian knitting forum
      Wtf

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Is bigger better?
    Imagine the defensive grenade version of a molotov, sounds moronic.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's called a flame fougasse. It takes some effort to set up but you definitely wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of it.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Ukrainians using styrofoam in the early days of the war. (I saved it because of the Club Mate bottles)

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I would worry about the broken glass shards left over being a hazard for children and POC. what if plastic bottles are used instead, for safety?

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Flare, gasoline, styrofoam, sealed glass container. Tape flare to sealed container filled with styrofoam and gas. Light flare, throw towards target. Simple, but effective.

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