If the Chechens declared independence (Kadyrov included) and the 2021 Russian army invaded them instead of Ukraine, could they win their freedom?
Modern invasion of chechnya
If the Chechens declared independence (Kadyrov included) and the 2021 Russian army invaded them instead of Ukraine, could they win their freedom?
yeah
Now is probably the best time with the regime weakened and the majority of the army tied down in Ukraine. If there's going to be any internal rebellions, it will definitely start in Chechnya or Dagestan.
Yea been thinking that as well actually
Now is the perfect time for them to do it.
Russia would have to fight 2 wars at once
They could probably secure western backing and funding as well
Not Dagestan, not after the airport bullshit. And Chechnya doesn't have the capability for a grass roots revolt, only in-fighting between Kadyrov's warlords.
They would loose billions in gibs. Moscow literally pays them tribute to keep things quiet and to restrain from fucking up Russia.
Perhaps, but then what? Putin respects Islam and gives them a huge amount of autonomy.
chechnya has oil. Only reason they haven't left is the phenomenal gibs kadyrov personally gets
>Putin respects Islam
Lol
>gives them a huge amount of autonomy
Nah he just pays Kadryov in gibs and let's them handle their own shit, because russian conscripts cannot into counterterror.
Chechens are dogs of the lowest order, some are rabid, the others are entirely in the thrall of their Russian masters. It would end up in a civil war, and the Russians would take advantage.
No lol.
2021 is much better funded than 90s and early 00s one.
the moment all those dudes start coming back from the war, that's when we will some shit going off in Ziggerstan. no jobs, no money, no pensions, injured, fucked up mentally, alcoholics, they're gonna tear eachother apart.
>coming back from the war
They're barrier troops.
They'll just send them to Siberia to die
So I take it you never heard about how russia dealt with its "veteran problem" post WW2?
this:
after winning WW2 there were millions of crippled former soldiers all over russia's major cities begging in the streets. soon most if not all of them disappeared, probably forcibly moved to bumfuck siberia or gulag camps
Chechen revolt will probably be a thing as the war drags and Russia weakens in Ukraine.
The second siege would escalate to a dirty bomb false flag followed by a nuke on grozny.
Why would Kadyrov do that when hes going to succeed putin
That dude looks fresh as fuck
Are you a homosexual?
I didn't realize Ice Poseidon fought in Chechnya.
If Chechens declared independence the first thing they would do is murder kadyrov and all of his family.
Chechen blood feud lasts decades and kadyrov and his clique murdered a lot of chechens
they don't have Saudi money bags funding there operations anymore going to have to go throu other means, not sure if they found it or not
Prince bandar to putin
"I can give you a guarantee to protect the Winter Olympics next year. The Chechen groups that threaten the security of the games are controlled by us," he allegedly said."
since 2015 the new saudi king, new policys of saudi intelligence operations that go against previous us administrations going back several decades, shit has flipped a 180
if Chechens weren't stupid they would have kicked off another independence movement shortly after the start of the Ukraine invasion. Instead a bunch of them got sent to Ukraine to die allowing Putin to kill two birds with one stone.
Dagestan
Apples and Oranges, Ukrainians have strong tie to the west -- the world's third largest population of Ukrainians are in Canada for example, so this along with a lot of western politicians having stakes in Ukraine gas will get international support for Ukraine the way it wouldn't Chechens. There is also timing, the reason France is going all out to help Ukraine with military supplies, even going 'war production mode' soon after the war started, is because Russia is pushing France out of Africa. Ukies are also more technically advance then Chechens, Ukies were the ones who made ships for the Soviets, they had the nuclear scientists, and Ukie farmers wrote the codes to hack John Deere tractors that American farmers also use.