Mitten

How exactly does the Yak-130 compare to the recent FA-50?

I feel like there's very little documentation about the Mitten especially about its other variants, at least from the very surface level searching I did. I can't even tell how it compares to the M-346.
But with the recent rise in popularity of the FA-50, I was wondering how come the countries that are now considering it never considered the Yak-130 as a cheap alternative or at least as an attack aircraft, same for its Italian brother. Is it really that much of a piece of shit? Would it be safe to say that if the FA-50 is the cheap version of the F-16, the Yak-130 is the cheap version of the FA-50? The first most obvious issue I can see with the Mitten is even if it peformed just as well as the Korean fighter, it can only use garbage Russian ordnance and radars, an aspect even the M-346 outshines it in. And while that by itself may be enough to discard it as a hunk of junk I am extremely curious about its other specifications, perhaps if it can even be theoretically modernized further if it was manufactured by a country with a real economy.
So is the Yak-130 really that bad?

As a sidenote I've been fascinated with this little bird practically since it went into service but don't really know shit about it. What would be some good sources to read up on it?

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's Russian so it's shit and doesn't work and is just a scheme to scam over third world shitholes that can't afford to buy real systems.

    Ukraine redpilled me

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's subsonic, doesn't have an AESA radar nor is its radar likely to be equal to similar NATO types, and probably lacks datalinks

    Furthermore, based on what we've seen in the Ukraine, the devil is probably in the details such as
    >ordnance CEP a few times that of NATO equivalent
    >maintenance triple that of NATO equivalent
    >less user friendly interface

    IOW: it looks like the ol Alphajets or Hawks but with a glass cockpit and 90s radar

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Hard to say why exactly the Yak-130 isn't doing well but while the T-50 is just a trainer it is absolutely nothing F/A-50 which looks fully capable of tangling with actual fighters at beyond visual range and carries all the latest weapons and sensors. I wouldn't even really call it a trainer.
    I think part of the Yak's failure is that the jet trainer market is over saturated, the Yak doesn't do anything special and Russia always has problems producing new tech in numbers compared upgrading old cold war stock and calling it new.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >but while the T-50 is just a trainer it is absolutely nothing F/A-50
      Yikes, let's try that again.
      >but while the T-50 is just a trainer it's nothing compared to the F/A-50

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The two aren't even comparable. The FA-50 is closer to a proper multi-role fighter than a trainer/light-attack aircraft. And the Yak barely qualifies for light-attack.
      The one thing it's perfect for, however, is poor African countries whose biggest threats are crop dusters, Toyotas and child soldiers. A pair of Yak-130s can dominate such an airspace for a really cheap price. It also replaces Russia's old trainers that were falling apart mid-air with an indigenous trainer that they can produce (just barely lol).

      Also pretty much this
      The reason it's not seeing much export is that nowadays every single country with an air force worth a damn produces their own jet trainers and most of them are either better or more affordable than the Yak. The only thing a country would get with a Yak purchase is political affiliation with Russia, which would actually have a negative impact. At that point you'd be better of purchasing Chinese jets.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        3rd world air forces don't even bother with the Yak-130 when they can get JF-17s or even FTC-2000Gs (literally a Chinese MiG-21 trainer/light combat aircraft with a new nose and wings).

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Completely garbage for a combat role. Subsonic aircraft cannot reach an optimal speed that is required to properly use BVR missiles.

          FTC-2000G at least is supersonic and is compatible with the SD-10A (PL-12) BVR missile

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            doesn’t mean they’re not capable of BVR combat
            I think Israelis are pushing for the integration of AMRAAMs on their M346s

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >I think Israelis are pushing for the integration of AMRAAMs on their M346s
              Very unlikely. The only reason why FA-50 is receiving AIM-120 integration is because LM is a shareholder of the aircraft. If it weren't for it, it would have been denied in the same way as how Gripen E is unable to operate AMRAAM to this day.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Gripen E
                Doesn't need AMRAAM it has Meteors

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, pure cope when you could use both in the previous iteration.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Never said it wasn't compatible with BVR missiles, just that subsonic aircraft are unable to use them as efficiently as supersonic aircraft. You need speed and altitude to maximize the efficiency of an AMRAAM or Meteor

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >chud MiG-21
            lel

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yak has no gun port while FA-50 does.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >How exactly does the Yak-130 compare to the recent FA-50?
    It's Russian so it's garbage.
    >Would it be safe to say that if the FA-50 is the cheap version of the F-16, the Yak-130 is the cheap version of the FA-50?
    If you're so cheap you can't even afford a FA-50 then you're better off buying combat drones. Smaller, less maintenance, cheaper and more than enough to bomb some rebels in your country.

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Isn't that Israelis just bought a bunch of Mittens?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      those are M346

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >How exactly does the Yak-130 compare to the recent FA-50?
    Its biggest weakness (same as its M-346 half-brother) is that it has two engines, meaning twice the maintenance.
    If your airforce uses twin-engined fighters, it's a necessary evil, in order to properly train n00bz on stuff like correcting for thrust asymmetry, one-engine flight etc.
    But if you only operate (or plan to operate) single-engine fighters, it's absolutely useless.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >n00bz
      bro, calm down, we get it you are from 2005

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Are they issuing visas?
        I want to immigrate

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    > I can't even tell how it compares to the M-346.
    significantly worse in all aspects

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    YAK-130 is a trainer.

    FA-50 is a trainer on steroids that gives third world cunts a taste of an MRF for cheaps.

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >As a sidenote I've been fascinated with this little bird practically since it went into service but don't really know shit about it. What would be some good sources to read up on it?
    The wikipedia article on it is very good but after that go to yandex and start reading Russian sources. The QRD is that right after the collapse of the Soviet Union, Russia had a competition for it's next jet trainer to replace the the Aero L-39s they had in service which the Yak-130 won. Yakovlev brought in Aermacchi to help them complete the design while providing funding, however Russians being Russian made Aermacchi pull out of the project and launch their own version of the plane as the M-346. As a result the Yak-130 is one of those post-Soviet designs that never properly took off (pardon the pun) as the design was completed in the mid-1990s but it was only accepted for service in the 2010s.

    I know PrepHole is shitting on the design because >MUH RUSSIAN, but the Yak-130 is an excellent plane that should have seen massive export success but sadly Russia fucked it right up. Tons of countries wanted a versatile, low-cost and low-maintenance light-fighter/trainer to replace their Cold War era planes that integrates with their existing legacy Soviet infrastructure/weapons. Many countries do not have the political and monetary capital to fly Western planes, while Chinese planes are absolute garbage so what this means is that there was demand for a Russian plane that was cheaper to operate than the more expensive Mig-29s and Su-27s++++++++ that Russia is currently selling. Because Russia could not get their shit together and actually start producing the plane in a reasonable time-frame, countries went with the M-346 version instead, or bought something else like the JF-17 Thunder or the KA-50.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Thanks for the info, fren.

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it wins on being the cutest plane I have ever seen

    loses in all practical aspects

Your email address will not be published.