China and Russia have a combined 6000 nuclear missiles. Why doesn't the US and NATO just build a couple of thousand missile defense systems and render the Russian nuclear threat obsolete? Of course some missiles will still make it through but NATO has too many targets to get defeated by less a couple hundred nukes.
West is too demoralized.
We have anti missiles, they are called ICBM.
As long as we have them Russia and China are to chickenshit coward subhumans to use theirs.
>just build more defenses guys
Baby's first missile defense thread. You love to see it. What other insight can you offer us OP? I'm sure your brain has just been working so hard on these pressing matters of national defense
Last I heard, russia has about 3500 or 4000 tactical battlefield nukes, the stuff that ranges from slightly under 1 to 10 or 12 kilotons. There are grave questions & doubts regarding how many of all their devices work today, some people estimating perhaps 80% won't function for one reason or another. If so, that's about 1300 total that probably work as intended.
But, let us assume for the sake of argument that both of them combined have 6,500 1 megaton devices, and that they all work.
Now you have to assume that (for whatever retarded reason) bugland decides to throw everything they have all at once with vatmoronstan. In one best case scenario that's 1300 devices (even if half are tactical nukes, like MLRS rockets or artillery), or worst case 6500 1 megaton devices on ballistic missiles.
How many defense systems does NATO already have in place? Where are they located?
One defense system that is in place is the U.S. submarine fleet, and the fact that many of those subs are already shadowing vatmoron subs ... and they WILL kill them before they get to launch (at least, the vast majority).
What are we talking about now? Less than a thousand nukes making anywhere near their targets at worst, maybe 50 or so at best? Because the other "anti-nukes systems" the West has are their nuclear arsenals, which will incinerate the ever-living fuck out of vatmoronstan and bugland, and more or less nothing either of them has will stop that shit from going down.
> tl;dr - Not worried. we already have thousands of defense systems in place. If they don't work, there's almost nothing we can do to improve on them. Very Smart People have ALREADY developed the defense systems you think are hypothetical. There will be more and better one in the future as they are developed and produced.
Russia never had over 1k nukes. If the soviets were good at only one thing, it was lying about military capabilities.
>China and Russia have a combined 6000 nuclear missiles
>Of course some missiles will still make it through but
I can not believe that you retards grew up with universal 3/4G internet on your phones, fuck you probably barely have memories of before the iPhone came out, and you can't google a few keywords. Even when google has destroyed its own search with fuzzy algorithms that make it useless to everyone except retards like you.
Seriously. Instead of googling it for yourself, or even realizing that someone else probably had this idea, you just come here and make a retarded thread like you're the smartest person ever. Fuck.
The answer is that prior to about 1990 ICBM/SLBM missile defense was extremely difficult. A program was attempted back in the 60s aimed at defending most of the US at the start later winding down to regions around important targets, and a VERY SIGNIFICANT amount of money and time was put into this. I'm talking actual billions of dollars and years of effort. Pic related was made using 1950s technology, it worked, and it was not fucking cheap.
It was determined that given the number of missile expected to be used against the US in a major war, it was simply not economical to create enough interceptors and a powerful enough command and control system to handle all of it. The money was better justified going to missiles or literally anything else, after all why bother spending 181 billion 2023 dollars on a missile defense system when you could, say, refurbish the entire fucking national highway system for less?
The economics haven't changed today either. It might be cheaper since those missiles cost less and computers are more affordable, but it's still going to cost into the high billions.
Now fuck off and literally just read wikipedia before you make another retarded thread.
You need 2-3 anti missile to intercept each missile.
A patriot missile is about 4 million dollars, so if you're in a town of 100k people and each one gave just 150 bucks you'd afford the launcher and 3 missiles to protect the town. Russia isn't gonna waste 2 missiles hitting a small town so you're gonna be safe.
>patriot missile is about 4 million dollars
That's more than what you are intercepting
And still a lot cheaper than rebuilding a town that just got nuked.
You're both retarded
Nukes are so fucking stupid and so are you for wasting time thinking about them
>xD if I flip the board nobody wins LMAO
Nuclear weapons are a copout boogeyman used to stifle discussion because it's so easy to say "you can't win if I end the game"
I’m sure Russia must have some operation nukes, but in a form that can be reliably delivered in any part of their triad? Possibly not. China is really hard to say. At some level it’s tempting to believe they must have SOMETHING ready to go…but, China and PLA is wildly corrupt, they may really not have anything or anything like a working triad.
As a russian, I wonder the same about US nukes.
Yeah sure 😀
You dont even have the domestic ability to produce large HEU quantities any longer.
>supposed russian talking about lost domestic ability to produce anything
it probably is, but keep in mind for Russians it is natural to assume the whole world is as rotten and corrupt as their own country as they derive satisfaction from considering themselves superior in being aware of this rot and corruption while we believe in fairytales like truth, discipline, honour, solidarity, rule of law or democracy.
Good that you know that those things are pretty much fairytales in western societies on current year, if you will unironically look at the youth, the govts and say that those things still exist or anyone still acts and believe in them you are insanely deluded
they are not fairytales, they are ideals that may be impossible to be achieved but the moment you give up on them you find yourself in the dystopian cesspit we currently know as Russia.
Yeah bro, let's ignore what's happening on western countries since at least the start of the last decade, go trust "democracy" while they rig elections on your face, keep trusting virtues while they fill every position with quota nibbas and use media propaganda to make every useful male in the country an enemy, keep worrying and making fun of a slavic shithole in the other side of the world who you will probable never see while we turn into a dystopia, smokescreens like covid and ukraine work because retards like you exist
>As a russian
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>we americans must protect our country from those dystopian things like rigged elections, media propaganda, covid smokescreens and ukraine support, don't think about russia irrelevant slavic shithole
>t. John Hotdog from NY oblast
Funny, the last time an election was rigged the russians did it to elect Trump, is not us rigging it
not him but I sincerely doubt Russians have ability to rig election in USA.
At risk of sounding sanctimonious and hypocritical I'm going to say that a lot of people have legit worries pertaining to things they consider important, not everyone needs to be a russian plant even if they are played by them. Antagonize your compatriots to your own detriment.
>making "useful males" enemies
not every pathology you see in the media needs to have the cause you ascribe to it. That said, be the change you want to see.
You don't "believe" in concepts, you live and practice them.
What do you mean by beliving in them? If they are not what they are claimed to be, how is it different then constantly spewing lies?
Building ABM is considered escalatory.
MDA's GBMC,Aegis, PAC-3 and THAAD should be enough to attrit any nuclear attack on the CONUS.
Keep in mind putting Aegis in Europe was considered escalatory by the Russians.
A first strike will never go as planned and neither will defense. There will always unconsidered contingencies - last shown by the lack of response from the spy balloon incident.
Strategic assets should increasingly be managed, developed and maintained by AI
For real I believe the USA has anti-nuke interception technology but is super sekrit and classified to not disrupt the world order.
It will only be used if monke does chimp out for real and the success rate is decent enough to save millions but not everyone.
My take sounds bullshit but I believe it.
There's nothing worth saving anyway, I for one vote on putting every missile defense on white majority places while the rest receives the nukes, nothing of value will be lost this way and russia ends up making us a favour in the end
Ah yes, let’s place missile defenses to defend the people who caused the war in the first place. Great thinking there.
How did whites caused the war ??? if anything it was the anti white lefty govt who provoked it, why are white man supposed to pay for what this moron loving dems did? even if, you gotta defend what is actually worth defending, if they kill millions of Hispanics and nigs you can just import another million and the nuclear destruction will barely be any different than their average towns anyway
>build a system to counter Vatnik Mk. 1
>russians build Vatnik Mk. 2 to counter your counter system
>back to square one
>russians build Vatnik Mk. 2
>west makes vatnikdestroyer mk. 666
>in a few years everyone finds out that vatnik mk. 2 never worked in the first place
>Why doesn't the US and NATO just build a couple of thousand missile defense systems and render the Russian nuclear threat obsolete?
always a chance that a few get through
Nukes are not real, their ww2 invention was a massive psyops, others believed and when the soviets claimed to have invented them we had to pretend they exist to save face, you will NEVER see a nuke because they just dont exist