>Motorcycles are kino as fuck. They need to be more widely adopted.
FTFY. Riding is so much more enjoyable than driving, even if it's just for doing your shopping around town. They're also a pleasure to work on vs something larger, with maintenance being closer to working on a bicycle than a car, where you can easily do pretty much everything yourself with basic hand tools.
Unironically though. Liter bikes shave a couple seconds off your 0-reckless endangerment charges time vs lower displacement bikes, and maybe a second at most off your 0-60 times, at the cost of requiring more frequent and more expensive maintenance. It's entirely a dick measuring thing.
Realistically ebikes make them irrelevant. Anything you can do on a motorcycle you can do on an ebike and be 100x safer doing it illegally riding on pedestrian paths and cops literally don't care unless you've got a crackhead 2stroke setup and even then they usually don't bother if you don't look homeless.
>Anything you can do on a motorcycle you can do on an ebike
Can’t get boomers to come up to me at the gas station and ask “they still make triumphs?” on an e-bike.
How about range and refueling lmao? I know being a evangelist retard about ebikes is your comedy routine every time motorbikes come up here, but give it a rest.
>How about range and refueling lmao?
Range is unlimited. Refueling can happy anywhere with electricity or access to the sun. Do you have a petroleum plant in your backyard? >Everyone online is the same person.
Less likely than multiple people realizing motorcycles are a meme. Not even anti petrol. Feel free to bolt a chinese oil burner onto a craigslist rigid mtb. Still better than any practical reason you'd use a motorcycle for.
Ebikes/electric motorcycles are only good for low speed getting around town use. The range and increased weight issues electric cars have are massively exacerbated with electric motorcycles due to the significantly less aerodynamic shape and a heavier motorcycle significantly changing how the bike handles vs weight on a car.
Lmao they're fast AF what the hell are you talking about? Range is essentially limited both on motorcycles and evikes since you can only carry so much ammo/water. Realistically theyre the same in military settings and in the real world there's even less difference since most people's commute is ~20 miles. Ebikes are simply the better option.
I concede if your legs get blown off you can no longer pedal a bike. Otherwise I'm correct.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
If you pedal you you suddenly have massive obvious drawbacks compared to a motorcycle. I might as well argue that a motorcycle has infinite range too because you can always get off and push. Don't argue in bad faith.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
That'd be a stupid argument since a bicycle is still quite capable off-road and at useful road speeds even while under pedal power. A motorcycle is dead weight at that point. Regardless, a bicycle has much less logistical footprint.
Because that's the straw man you've made up at the beheast of media conglomerates wanting you to confirm to a consumer group mold that they can make money off of. In the real world I'm just a dude that fucking hates interacting with the local wildlife at 7/11, owns a pltuned pre emissions diesel truck for hauling shit and traveling with family, and doesn't want to give a single cent to the government for insuring a commuter shitbox + reg,ttl, gas to drive to local jobs/errands that don't require a truck.
You can continue seething about how you're owning the libs by hating on one of the most free methods of travel on the planet ran by the rucking sun though.
I concede if your legs get blown off you can no longer pedal a bike. Otherwise I'm correct.
That'd be a stupid argument since a bicycle is still quite capable off-road and at useful road speeds even while under pedal power. A motorcycle is dead weight at that point. Regardless, a bicycle has much less logistical footprint.
Did you forgot you were supposed to be arguing about ebikes? How is the performance of an ebike going to be better than a motorbike in any way? There are things that a motorbike can do and they are the most important things. Your sole argument is that you can use it as a bicycle lmao. There's nothing stopping people from attaching pedals to a motorbike. We used to, and they used to be called mopeds. Do you know why they still attach pedals to e-bikes? it's because the "e" is really not that good and you need the backup of the pedals. Or the "e" is a supplement to the pedals. Either way you decide to look at it, it's not a vote of confidence in e-bikes. They can't stand alone and need pedals.
Ebikes/electric motorcycles are only good for low speed getting around town use. The range and increased weight issues electric cars have are massively exacerbated with electric motorcycles due to the significantly less aerodynamic shape and a heavier motorcycle significantly changing how the bike handles vs weight on a car.
Motorcycles are very popular in European cities where the streets are really narrow and parking is scarce as shit. With this new big push for "walkable cities" we might end up with the unintended consequence of making cities way more motorcycle friendly
Americans are too stupid and self centered to ever allow people to filter through walkable streets on motorcycles. It's a badge of pride to inconvenience people here unfortunately.
Unlikely, the greens hate motorcycles because they still use petrol, as evidenced by the fact that they do everything to pretend they don't exist, despite frankly being a much better option than bicycles for everything except virtue signalling and exercise. There's zero chance motorcycles would ever be allowed to coexist with cycles in any attempt to make a walkable city.
t. Bong
Yet you never hear the green lobby push for motorbikes. These people love making images of comparison of road space, yet will deliberately leave out motorbikes and mopeds, since they can keep up with traffic and even lane split, effectively causing even less congestion than a bike that needs a separate lane (real or imagined). They don't want greenness, they just want to lobby for bikes and buses.
>Oh no the big bike is upon us!!!
Are youbeing contrarian just for the sake of it or can you really not conprehend why one would consider bikes more green than motorcycles and thus push for them?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yet they push for buses too. If they were being serious they would push for motorbikes as an alternative to cars. After all, bikes have their own problems, not least the increase in congestion from their slow speed and demanding an extra lane that actually increases pollution. A motorcycle city would be much better than either a bike or car city, Also what the fuck is your meme arrow supposed to mean, I have no fucking clue. Are you quoting yourself? lmao.
>Yet you never hear the green lobby push for motorbikes
Why would they? For transportation, their main argument is that most people shouldn't need to own and maintain a motor vehicle to get through life, since that has only been necessary in the west for less than 100 years. For cases where people do need a motor vehicle, they push car pooling with the vehicles people already own, rather than purchasing and maintaining another vehicle.
Yet they push for buses too. If they were being serious they would push for motorbikes as an alternative to cars. After all, bikes have their own problems, not least the increase in congestion from their slow speed and demanding an extra lane that actually increases pollution. A motorcycle city would be much better than either a bike or car city, Also what the fuck is your meme arrow supposed to mean, I have no fucking clue. Are you quoting yourself? lmao.
>A motorcycle city
Is just a normal city.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Independant transportation has always been necessary since the iron age, just before the car it was the horse or the ox cart. Not everyone lives in a village in the UK anon
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Why would they?
Because they really should? It's the most practical solution for cutting emissions right now, rather than imagining a future that's never going to happen, and will be moot by the time the real advances that will reduce emissions and reduce the need for commuting that will come out. Yes, I'm saying working from home the real deal and carbon capture technology will happen long before bicycles are a viable alternative to cars and motorised bikes. A 150cc moped is cheap, fast, load-bearing, has 150 mpg and has the same footprint as a pedal bike. It's ideal for the the lone commuter, far more than a cycle.
> they push car pooling >You will own nothing and be happy
No thanks. Not even meming here. No fucking thanks.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>car pooling with the vehicles people already own >le you will own nothing German
Pick one.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Realistically, people are only going to carpool if they have no choice, either by gunpoint or sheer poverty. And it's so inconvenient for both the pooler and poolee, it's never going to happen otherwise. And that's really the issue. Realism. Or failing that, a future so grim and bleak to the human condition people would be reading isekai novels about being a Russian in 2023.
Motorcycles are very popular in European cities where the streets are really narrow and parking is scarce as shit. With this new big push for "walkable cities" we might end up with the unintended consequence of making cities way more motorcycle friendly
The separattion between moto and cycles is artificial.
In Bongland, motorcycles are a way around the silly displacement limits. Not really so in Continental EU, they still have to have tiny itsy bitsy bikes usually as well.
In the old Pre-21st c UK, a motorcycle is the ONLY way for a non-superrich man to go fast. Not even City guys can afford speed in 1970s UK. Whereas a Northerner with a will can go faster than anyone on earth. See Isle of Man and its connection to Celts.
Back to Military bikes:
The fact that there is no heavier-duty alternative to a Honda says everything. The military motorcycle spec is a Kawasaki with its anemic shocks and suspension, and an awful Multifuel POS.
Instead they should just use stock motorcycles from another era on Gasoline. There's literally no improvement to be made, so no money can be made.
Multifuel is a meme. Bikes are useless w/o Gasoline, their p/w goes out the window and Multifuel engines are goddmaned nightmare that can't be solved ever. They leave you in the woods every time w/o exception.
Their payload sucks, they're extremely difficult to ride when injured, and the rider is unable to quickly return fire. A passenger must be conscious to ride so shit for expedient CASEVAC.
Other than poverty cases who already have civilian machines and no better options they suck. Anything including electric power works better with four and six wheelers which unlike two-wheelers are stable firing platforms for grenade launchers etc.
Japan probably did the best job with widespread adoption of motorcycles in a military role. I've always wanted to try building a KLX-250 to JGSDF spec.
Why has noone in this thread brought up military use of ebikes? They are seeing use right now in Ukraine, though they aren't getting much publicity.
Ukrainian specops went out of their way to get ahold of batches of electric cycles for doing sneaky shit with, and they are currently using them to for quick in/out behind enemy lines shenanigans.
I will not deny the sexiness of the traditional ICE motorcycle, but ebikes are QUIET and that opens up options for silent squirrel bullshit that weren't on the table before.
Ebikes may have been lolkidstoys memes before, but they are, right now, being put to very PrepHole usage.
This thread seems very familiar.
Motorcycles are PrepHoleino,
Looks like a sniper and an efficient means of deploying one, same with large squad weapons
Multifuel engines are universally trash no exceptions.
6TD-2 would like to have a word with you
>"kino"
>iphone filename
I hate redditors so much. Fuck off.
>someone didn't post an image with nothing but NUMBERS!! MY AUTISM IS OFF THE CHARTS!!!!! Somehow this is related to plebbit!
You're as pedantic as the very Redditors you hate, lmao. Clown.
Go back, you gay.
>Motorcycles are kino as fuck. They need to be more widely adopted.
FTFY. Riding is so much more enjoyable than driving, even if it's just for doing your shopping around town. They're also a pleasure to work on vs something larger, with maintenance being closer to working on a bicycle than a car, where you can easily do pretty much everything yourself with basic hand tools.
Liter bikes don’t belong on the street. You don’t need anything more than 500cc.
(I’m fucking around rn)
Unironically though. Liter bikes shave a couple seconds off your 0-reckless endangerment charges time vs lower displacement bikes, and maybe a second at most off your 0-60 times, at the cost of requiring more frequent and more expensive maintenance. It's entirely a dick measuring thing.
>You don’t need anything more than 200cc. 120cc if you're brown or under 21. 50cc scooters or ebikes for womyn.
Fix'd.
Realistically ebikes make them irrelevant. Anything you can do on a motorcycle you can do on an ebike and be 100x safer doing it illegally riding on pedestrian paths and cops literally don't care unless you've got a crackhead 2stroke setup and even then they usually don't bother if you don't look homeless.
>Anything you can do on a motorcycle you can do on an ebike
Can’t get boomers to come up to me at the gas station and ask “they still make triumphs?” on an e-bike.
How about range and refueling lmao? I know being a evangelist retard about ebikes is your comedy routine every time motorbikes come up here, but give it a rest.
>How about range and refueling lmao?
Range is unlimited. Refueling can happy anywhere with electricity or access to the sun. Do you have a petroleum plant in your backyard?
>Everyone online is the same person.
Less likely than multiple people realizing motorcycles are a meme. Not even anti petrol. Feel free to bolt a chinese oil burner onto a craigslist rigid mtb. Still better than any practical reason you'd use a motorcycle for.
Lmao they're fast AF what the hell are you talking about? Range is essentially limited both on motorcycles and evikes since you can only carry so much ammo/water. Realistically theyre the same in military settings and in the real world there's even less difference since most people's commute is ~20 miles. Ebikes are simply the better option.
>Range is unlimited
I rest my case, go be stupid somewhere else.
I concede if your legs get blown off you can no longer pedal a bike. Otherwise I'm correct.
If you pedal you you suddenly have massive obvious drawbacks compared to a motorcycle. I might as well argue that a motorcycle has infinite range too because you can always get off and push. Don't argue in bad faith.
That'd be a stupid argument since a bicycle is still quite capable off-road and at useful road speeds even while under pedal power. A motorcycle is dead weight at that point. Regardless, a bicycle has much less logistical footprint.
>Lmao they're fast AF what the hell are you talking about?
Hi nobike.
Why is every single person who advocates for any kind of electric vehicle always a stupid and insufferable gay?
Because that's the straw man you've made up at the beheast of media conglomerates wanting you to confirm to a consumer group mold that they can make money off of. In the real world I'm just a dude that fucking hates interacting with the local wildlife at 7/11, owns a pltuned pre emissions diesel truck for hauling shit and traveling with family, and doesn't want to give a single cent to the government for insuring a commuter shitbox + reg,ttl, gas to drive to local jobs/errands that don't require a truck.
You can continue seething about how you're owning the libs by hating on one of the most free methods of travel on the planet ran by the rucking sun though.
Did you forgot you were supposed to be arguing about ebikes? How is the performance of an ebike going to be better than a motorbike in any way? There are things that a motorbike can do and they are the most important things. Your sole argument is that you can use it as a bicycle lmao. There's nothing stopping people from attaching pedals to a motorbike. We used to, and they used to be called mopeds. Do you know why they still attach pedals to e-bikes? it's because the "e" is really not that good and you need the backup of the pedals. Or the "e" is a supplement to the pedals. Either way you decide to look at it, it's not a vote of confidence in e-bikes. They can't stand alone and need pedals.
Uh huh. If she don't run jp8, it's dead weight.
>Inb4 cope multifuel
Keyword being run.
Ebikes/electric motorcycles are only good for low speed getting around town use. The range and increased weight issues electric cars have are massively exacerbated with electric motorcycles due to the significantly less aerodynamic shape and a heavier motorcycle significantly changing how the bike handles vs weight on a car.
Motorcycles are very popular in European cities where the streets are really narrow and parking is scarce as shit. With this new big push for "walkable cities" we might end up with the unintended consequence of making cities way more motorcycle friendly
Americans are too stupid and self centered to ever allow people to filter through walkable streets on motorcycles. It's a badge of pride to inconvenience people here unfortunately.
Unlikely, the greens hate motorcycles because they still use petrol, as evidenced by the fact that they do everything to pretend they don't exist, despite frankly being a much better option than bicycles for everything except virtue signalling and exercise. There's zero chance motorcycles would ever be allowed to coexist with cycles in any attempt to make a walkable city.
t. Bong
my bike gets 150mpg
Yet you never hear the green lobby push for motorbikes. These people love making images of comparison of road space, yet will deliberately leave out motorbikes and mopeds, since they can keep up with traffic and even lane split, effectively causing even less congestion than a bike that needs a separate lane (real or imagined). They don't want greenness, they just want to lobby for bikes and buses.
>Oh no the big bike is upon us!!!
Are youbeing contrarian just for the sake of it or can you really not conprehend why one would consider bikes more green than motorcycles and thus push for them?
Yet they push for buses too. If they were being serious they would push for motorbikes as an alternative to cars. After all, bikes have their own problems, not least the increase in congestion from their slow speed and demanding an extra lane that actually increases pollution. A motorcycle city would be much better than either a bike or car city, Also what the fuck is your meme arrow supposed to mean, I have no fucking clue. Are you quoting yourself? lmao.
>Yet you never hear the green lobby push for motorbikes
Why would they? For transportation, their main argument is that most people shouldn't need to own and maintain a motor vehicle to get through life, since that has only been necessary in the west for less than 100 years. For cases where people do need a motor vehicle, they push car pooling with the vehicles people already own, rather than purchasing and maintaining another vehicle.
>A motorcycle city
Is just a normal city.
Independant transportation has always been necessary since the iron age, just before the car it was the horse or the ox cart. Not everyone lives in a village in the UK anon
>Why would they?
Because they really should? It's the most practical solution for cutting emissions right now, rather than imagining a future that's never going to happen, and will be moot by the time the real advances that will reduce emissions and reduce the need for commuting that will come out. Yes, I'm saying working from home the real deal and carbon capture technology will happen long before bicycles are a viable alternative to cars and motorised bikes. A 150cc moped is cheap, fast, load-bearing, has 150 mpg and has the same footprint as a pedal bike. It's ideal for the the lone commuter, far more than a cycle.
> they push car pooling
>You will own nothing and be happy
No thanks. Not even meming here. No fucking thanks.
>car pooling with the vehicles people already own
>le you will own nothing German
Pick one.
Realistically, people are only going to carpool if they have no choice, either by gunpoint or sheer poverty. And it's so inconvenient for both the pooler and poolee, it's never going to happen otherwise. And that's really the issue. Realism. Or failing that, a future so grim and bleak to the human condition people would be reading isekai novels about being a Russian in 2023.
Find one road space no-joke comparison that contains motorcycles.
That's because the whole green movement is psyop: a walking population is far easier to control.
The separattion between moto and cycles is artificial.
In Bongland, motorcycles are a way around the silly displacement limits. Not really so in Continental EU, they still have to have tiny itsy bitsy bikes usually as well.
In the old Pre-21st c UK, a motorcycle is the ONLY way for a non-superrich man to go fast. Not even City guys can afford speed in 1970s UK. Whereas a Northerner with a will can go faster than anyone on earth. See Isle of Man and its connection to Celts.
Back to Military bikes:
The fact that there is no heavier-duty alternative to a Honda says everything. The military motorcycle spec is a Kawasaki with its anemic shocks and suspension, and an awful Multifuel POS.
Instead they should just use stock motorcycles from another era on Gasoline. There's literally no improvement to be made, so no money can be made.
Multifuel is a meme. Bikes are useless w/o Gasoline, their p/w goes out the window and Multifuel engines are goddmaned nightmare that can't be solved ever. They leave you in the woods every time w/o exception.
WTF is this incoherent schizo rant even about
Makes sense to me, apart from the part about displacement limits, which I assume is a law unique to them or something.
My favorite unintended consequence of walkable cities is they don't work
Exactly, cities like Rotterdam are completely dysfunctional.
Their payload sucks, they're extremely difficult to ride when injured, and the rider is unable to quickly return fire. A passenger must be conscious to ride so shit for expedient CASEVAC.
Other than poverty cases who already have civilian machines and no better options they suck. Anything including electric power works better with four and six wheelers which unlike two-wheelers are stable firing platforms for grenade launchers etc.
Japan probably did the best job with widespread adoption of motorcycles in a military role. I've always wanted to try building a KLX-250 to JGSDF spec.
God damn, we need to let those guys off the reins, it's criminal to keep stuff like this down.
The Finnish use motorcycles a lot, as well as straight bikes.
mud anna blood anna guts
Why has noone in this thread brought up military use of ebikes? They are seeing use right now in Ukraine, though they aren't getting much publicity.
Ukrainian specops went out of their way to get ahold of batches of electric cycles for doing sneaky shit with, and they are currently using them to for quick in/out behind enemy lines shenanigans.
I will not deny the sexiness of the traditional ICE motorcycle, but ebikes are QUIET and that opens up options for silent squirrel bullshit that weren't on the table before.
Ebikes may have been lolkidstoys memes before, but they are, right now, being put to very PrepHole usage.