Anon it's a fucking anti-armor chopper
It trying to shoot down a tiny drone down is like trying to hit a squirrel running along the highway from the passenger seat of a semi with a cricket bat
The real travesty here is that they tried to do something that retarded in the first place
Do you really think an Apache would follow a slow moving drone for an hour and hit nothing?
It's got a gun on chin turret and a trained gunner with high quality western optics for fucks sakes.
I bet even the greeks and poles with their shitty mi-24s could have downed it.
Yes. Absolutely.
IF someone was stupid enough to put it on the task.
And probably, a 24 has a fairly accurate 12.7mm that is a lot better suited for the task of shooting a drone down
Yes. Absolutely.
IF someone was stupid enough to put it on the task.
And probably, a 24 has a fairly accurate 12.7mm that is a lot better suited for the task of shooting a drone down
The garden gnomes shot down an Iranian drone with an Apache a few years ago.
They can snipe people. It's a laser/infared guided cannon system. They just kind of point and it can be corrected because yes a helicopter that shakes because helicopters shake.
Why didn't it use it's air to air missiles made exactly for this.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
They can't hit people. They can hit them with shrapnel.
Look at any actual videos of attack helo gun usage. They always have insane spread on their bursts, like shots landing in a 100ft ellipse to hit a single dude.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>It's a laser/infared guided cannon system. They just kind of point and it can be corrected
All of that is also true for the havoc, didn't help there
https://i.imgur.com/zirFXcm.jpg
>ends sentence with no
have a nice day euro trash larping gay
>have a nice day euro trash larping gay
This grammar bothers you, yes?
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>All of that is also true for the havoc
Sure it is.
They can snipe people. It's a laser/infared guided cannon system. They just kind of point and it can be corrected because yes a helicopter that shakes because helicopters shake.
Why didn't it use it's air to air missiles made exactly for this.
You can see it's got a standard push propeller in the picture and isn't a quadcopter, anon. While it's not full plane sized, it's not a flying dinner plate either.
I fly fighter jets in the USAF. I shit you not, a USAF weapons school graduate told us that we could try gunning quadrotors by doing our normal high angle air to ground strafe. Air to ground strafe in populated villages to try taking out a tiny quadrotor floating around. I wish the fucking retard tried it himself so he would kill a dozen civilians all in an attempt to shoot down an unarmed quadrotor drone.
I don't believe you, but we did amass plenty of footage of cannons working hard at air targets and accomplishing jack fucking shit. Not at all surprising that a helicopter couldn't hit a drone a few times.
>is like trying to hit a squirrel running along the highway from the passenger seat of a semi with a cricket bat
In other words, hilarious if failed and kino if successful?
This. I thought attack helis were intended to be stationary in the sky while using the cannon.
You thought wildly, hilariously wrong, wtf?
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Starting at the timestamp, you can see puffs from the muzzle of the 30mm firing, and you can see them drifting behind the helo since it's flying forward in the shot.
There are countless videos from documentaries, war footage, and demonstrations spanning literally several decades that show Apaches, Cobras/Vipers, and other attack helos/gunships firing their cannon armaments on the move.
The drone in OP's video isn't even a quadcopter, it's got a pusher propeller, so it's somewhat large. There is, objectively, zero reason for their failure that doesn't reflect poorly upon the capabilities of their pilots, their equipment, or both.
The mi 28 has a stabilized 30mm cannon and thermal and optical sensors out the fucking wazoo.
There's zero reason it shouldn't get a hit in an HOUR unless there's something fundamentally fucked about the optics (probably french thales high quality ones) or the gunner is literally a down syndrome retard flailing around in the cockpit like a freshly caught salmon.
>The mi 28 has a stabilized 30mm cannon >stabilized
It's a 2A42, and I don't see any extra bracing. It's likely just as wobbly as it is on BMPs and Terminators
>The mi 28 has a stabilized 30mm cannon and thermal and optical sensors out the fucking wazoo. >There's zero reason it shouldn't get a hit in an HOUR unless there's something fundamentally fucked about the optics (probably french thales high quality ones)
Ivan probably sold the optics > downie gunners
these are slavs we're talking about here
>There's zero reason it shouldn't get a hit in an HOUR unless there's something fundamentally fucked about the optics (probably french thales high quality ones) or the gunner is literally a down syndrome retard flailing around in the cockpit like a freshly caught salmon.
or that stupid 30mm cannon is wobbling like crazy again
The best part is the mi mil has a "wonder weapon" Russian made to deal with "extremely agile aircraft at short ranges" the Russians tried to sell their vaporware missile for years. If the story is true, the Russians aphen program which cost billions was complete crap and Russian helicopters have no actually working air to air guided missiles. Plus I mean that's a 30 mm auto cannon that can rip off 800 rounds a minute. The story has to be fake or something is terrible wrong with the remaining Russian copters. They could have just buzzed near the thing and tire it apart
>The mi 28 has a stabilized 30mm cannon and thermal and optical sensors out the fucking wazoo
You must be new to this man, I guarantee none of the Mi28s in the field have any of those, only the display ones on military expos, so retards can spam the pictures. This is also true for literally all hightech shit that Russia presented in the last 30 years.
Yes, but WHY are they like this? Surely the pilots at realize that at some point their lives will depend on the chopper they're riding in being up to spec? You can't be a pilot and a retard.
If you believe that every other military is to some degree just like yours, you'll tell yourself that American and Bong Apache pilots or German Tiger pilots must also not have all the bells and whistles that their "show models" say they have, either.
it has the same wiggle gun as the bmp terminator which means in sustained fire its unable to accurately hit an human sized target two hundred meters away
Obviously it wouldn't have had any trouble taking out the drone if it actually worked as intended.
That's the thing aobut Russian aviation, you never know if you are up against the one they pulled straight from the arms expo that has all the fancy shit or a regular one where the guys in the depot sold the optics and the maintenance crew sold half the wiring.
Even in an Apache that would be a tough shot. Why would you think it’s easy?
Also why does the thread believe the drone wasn’t shot down? Because of a 10 sec video showing a chopper making two bursts? What about the 3rd? 4th? 5th? Etc. How does anyone know the drone wasn’t shot down right after clip ended? Every single one of you would have pointed that out if the nationalities were reversed.
>i dont even know the context of the thread
Why do you gays always try this? Do you seriously think someone is going to think you're literally blind? Or are so retarded you can't see the OP of a thread you clicked on, but somehow are able to use a computer rather than eating it?
Why would you pretend either of these things?
>eurotrash snowflake cum guzzler cant handle the fact that their india ganges shit tier grammar makes them stick out like a sore thumb.
I'm sorry i didn't read 15 replies of bullshit context to call you a euro bitch, learn english and ill respect you gay.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>brings his mutilated cock
*it was ineffective* >deflect from
https://i.imgur.com/RW2zAhq.png
>randomly brings up his mutilated cock
What's next yankoid?
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
I'm not the guy you originally spoke to. > learn english and ill respect you gay >ill
This has to be bait.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
im not gonna capitalize or add apostrophes for your bitch euro ass, if autocorrect wants to add it thats beyond my authority. This is my world you just live in it bitch
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yeah this is definitely someone larping as an American.
Please leave, this is a nice thread for discussing Russian weapon systems.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
you can have a nice day and still get to heaven cause deleting a euro will even out the sin of suicide. id give it a shot >nice thread >europosters
pick one
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
You live an anglo world cut boy. Sit down and worship your superiors
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
i'm euro and you're talking my language. don't ever forget that.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
quiet trash, we took your bastard dialect and sculpted it into the divine speech of the gods.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Just keep embarrassing yourself and amusing us, anon.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>I'm not going to practice proper grammar and punctuation
If you're not going to use English properly, you have no right to condemn others as ESL.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
my vocabulary and grammar are fucking perfect, i dont have to prove anything to you. my posts exude brilliance by nature, while yours reek of ignorance hiding behind punctuation
>UNKNOWN TECHNOLOGY >Mobik swings a mi 28 by the tail rotor to hit a drone
No, I'm not saying to hit it with the physical body of the helicopter, just have it use the immense pressure of the down force from the rotor blades. For example:
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Although, from reading the thread, it appears the Russian air force is incapable of such complex maneuvers, like flying over a low speed UAV.
Ukrainian domestic drones like Bober, or some cardboard drones.
This is why Russia is fucking upset, they are like Shahed drones but actually do their job.
Hello?
Why didn't it use its air to airs designed for this. Tens of billions were spent
You can't try to shoot down a artificial intelligence flown drown in a dog fight with guns. It's got perfect and it's reaction time and calculation speed plus g loads will mean in a gun to gun fight the drone always wins. They'll just pull a 15 g turn on you then hit you with perfect aim faster than your mind can physically process it
Are Russians trying to dog fight flying mini terminators with helicopter cannons? This has to be fake no one is this stupid
Don't fucking look up the missiles you involuntary vatnik shill. What happened or shut the fuck up. Don't argue about the subject then look up the facts half way through you moron
>Mil-mi 28 apparently can't hit a slow moving drone from 50 feet away.
We did get that nighttime shootdown video literally yesterday. No way to confirm it was an Mi-28 though, just a straight line of orange tracers going down at a shallow angle and a big kaboom.
I think there's no direct coinrol of the gun, it is controlled by wire and it is just more laggy relative to the aplitude of the cobined movement of the drone and the chopper
>Putin is saving in case of an emergency
When you have lost a large chunk of your military armor, gone deep into your old reserves, and meat grindered a large portion of your fighting age men, what exactly is this emergency we’re talking about?
Is he expecting to go head to head against NATO at this point? Or is he just keeping things to use on his own people and military when they turn on him?
That's the high ROF mode, the lower ROF is closer to a Bradley and apparently isn't that horrendously inaccurate. Still nothing to write home about though.
Anon it's a fucking anti-armor chopper
It trying to shoot down a tiny drone down is like trying to hit a squirrel running along the highway from the passenger seat of a semi with a cricket bat
The real travesty here is that they tried to do something that retarded in the first place
Do you really think an Apache would follow a slow moving drone for an hour and hit nothing?
It's got a gun on chin turret and a trained gunner with high quality western optics for fucks sakes.
I bet even the greeks and poles with their shitty mi-24s could have downed it.
Yes. Absolutely.
IF someone was stupid enough to put it on the task.
And probably, a 24 has a fairly accurate 12.7mm that is a lot better suited for the task of shooting a drone down
>Yes. Absolutely.
Moron detected. The apache can place shells literally onto a playing card from a thousand feet away.
no.
Yes.
The garden gnomes shot down an Iranian drone with an Apache a few years ago.
They can snipe people. It's a laser/infared guided cannon system. They just kind of point and it can be corrected because yes a helicopter that shakes because helicopters shake.
Why didn't it use it's air to air missiles made exactly for this.
They can't hit people. They can hit them with shrapnel.
Look at any actual videos of attack helo gun usage. They always have insane spread on their bursts, like shots landing in a 100ft ellipse to hit a single dude.
>It's a laser/infared guided cannon system. They just kind of point and it can be corrected
All of that is also true for the havoc, didn't help there
>have a nice day euro trash larping gay
This grammar bothers you, yes?
>All of that is also true for the havoc
Sure it is.
>literally called the area weapon system
Have you seen the spread on the apache's cannon? It's more like an automatic grenade launcher. You'd run out of ammo before you'd hit a drone.
That’s because those videos are taken from like 1000m or more retard, it would have no issue with a drone 100m away
You can see it's got a standard push propeller in the picture and isn't a quadcopter, anon. While it's not full plane sized, it's not a flying dinner plate either.
I fly fighter jets in the USAF. I shit you not, a USAF weapons school graduate told us that we could try gunning quadrotors by doing our normal high angle air to ground strafe. Air to ground strafe in populated villages to try taking out a tiny quadrotor floating around. I wish the fucking retard tried it himself so he would kill a dozen civilians all in an attempt to shoot down an unarmed quadrotor drone.
post cac + flight suit or bs
>I fly fighter jets in the USAF
my dad works at nintendo
>I fly fighter jets in the USAF
Proofs?
i held mariupol, tell me more
I don't believe you, but we did amass plenty of footage of cannons working hard at air targets and accomplishing jack fucking shit. Not at all surprising that a helicopter couldn't hit a drone a few times.
Anon the fucking draft from the helicopter itself could take it out.
>Cricket bat
GOOD MORNING SAR, REDEEM THE BOWELS
This. I thought attack helis were intended to be stationary in the sky while using the cannon.
>is like trying to hit a squirrel running along the highway from the passenger seat of a semi with a cricket bat
In other words, hilarious if failed and kino if successful?
You thought wildly, hilariously wrong, wtf?
?si=DEs1sKovWS_bA6I4&t=134
Starting at the timestamp, you can see puffs from the muzzle of the 30mm firing, and you can see them drifting behind the helo since it's flying forward in the shot.
There are countless videos from documentaries, war footage, and demonstrations spanning literally several decades that show Apaches, Cobras/Vipers, and other attack helos/gunships firing their cannon armaments on the move.
The drone in OP's video isn't even a quadcopter, it's got a pusher propeller, so it's somewhat large. There is, objectively, zero reason for their failure that doesn't reflect poorly upon the capabilities of their pilots, their equipment, or both.
>21st century
>Your primary attack helicopter is not multipurpose
Skill issue
>cricket bat
>says "semi" instead of "lorry"
street shitter detected
Soviet machine guns for helicopters were a meme, I doubt they improved them after.
The mi 28 has a stabilized 30mm cannon and thermal and optical sensors out the fucking wazoo.
There's zero reason it shouldn't get a hit in an HOUR unless there's something fundamentally fucked about the optics (probably french thales high quality ones) or the gunner is literally a down syndrome retard flailing around in the cockpit like a freshly caught salmon.
>The mi 28 has a stabilized 30mm cannon
>stabilized
It's a 2A42, and I don't see any extra bracing. It's likely just as wobbly as it is on BMPs and Terminators
>unless the gunner is literally a down syndrome retard flailing around in the cockpit like a freshly caught salmon.
>The mi 28 has a stabilized 30mm cannon and thermal and optical sensors out the fucking wazoo.
>There's zero reason it shouldn't get a hit in an HOUR unless there's something fundamentally fucked about the optics (probably french thales high quality ones)
Ivan probably sold the optics
> downie gunners
these are slavs we're talking about here
>There's zero reason it shouldn't get a hit in an HOUR unless there's something fundamentally fucked about the optics (probably french thales high quality ones) or the gunner is literally a down syndrome retard flailing around in the cockpit like a freshly caught salmon.
or that stupid 30mm cannon is wobbling like crazy again
The best part is the mi mil has a "wonder weapon" Russian made to deal with "extremely agile aircraft at short ranges" the Russians tried to sell their vaporware missile for years. If the story is true, the Russians aphen program which cost billions was complete crap and Russian helicopters have no actually working air to air guided missiles. Plus I mean that's a 30 mm auto cannon that can rip off 800 rounds a minute. The story has to be fake or something is terrible wrong with the remaining Russian copters. They could have just buzzed near the thing and tire it apart
>flailing around in the cockpit like a freshly caught salmon.
So that's what happened to all that seafood Russia was supposed to give to Mexico.
>The mi 28 has a stabilized 30mm cannon and thermal and optical sensors out the fucking wazoo
You must be new to this man, I guarantee none of the Mi28s in the field have any of those, only the display ones on military expos, so retards can spam the pictures. This is also true for literally all hightech shit that Russia presented in the last 30 years.
Yes, but WHY are they like this? Surely the pilots at realize that at some point their lives will depend on the chopper they're riding in being up to spec? You can't be a pilot and a retard.
If you believe that every other military is to some degree just like yours, you'll tell yourself that American and Bong Apache pilots or German Tiger pilots must also not have all the bells and whistles that their "show models" say they have, either.
Why would you believe that?
They should if they are "modernized".
it has the same wiggle gun as the bmp terminator which means in sustained fire its unable to accurately hit an human sized target two hundred meters away
>flailing around in the cockpit like a freshly caught salmon
All people with down syndrome are children of god, but this line is beautiful.
>or the gunner is literally a down syndrome retard flailing around in the cockpit like a freshly caught salmon.
shut up
Obviously it wouldn't have had any trouble taking out the drone if it actually worked as intended.
That's the thing aobut Russian aviation, you never know if you are up against the one they pulled straight from the arms expo that has all the fancy shit or a regular one where the guys in the depot sold the optics and the maintenance crew sold half the wiring.
Even in an Apache that would be a tough shot. Why would you think it’s easy?
Also why does the thread believe the drone wasn’t shot down? Because of a 10 sec video showing a chopper making two bursts? What about the 3rd? 4th? 5th? Etc. How does anyone know the drone wasn’t shot down right after clip ended? Every single one of you would have pointed that out if the nationalities were reversed.
What servo motors do the Russians use to turn those cannon mounts?
They crank using egg power
>assuming everything works as intended and was built and installed to spec
yea... no, in reality, people make shit up and half ass the rest
?
Wouldn't it have been easier to destabilize the drone by flying over it and hitting it with the prop wash?
> but what if it explodes?
I think the standoff distance between the effect of the prop wash and the armored cabin of the helicopter should protect the aircraft no?
>ends sentence with no
have a nice day euro trash larping gay
>yankoid seething that his big bazed russia is actually retarded
i dont even know the context of the thread, i just saw your gay euro grammar and wanted to tell you you're a bitch made heap of smegma
>randomly brings up his mutilated cock
>i dont even know the context of the thread
Why do you gays always try this? Do you seriously think someone is going to think you're literally blind? Or are so retarded you can't see the OP of a thread you clicked on, but somehow are able to use a computer rather than eating it?
Why would you pretend either of these things?
>eurotrash snowflake cum guzzler cant handle the fact that their india ganges shit tier grammar makes them stick out like a sore thumb.
I'm sorry i didn't read 15 replies of bullshit context to call you a euro bitch, learn english and ill respect you gay.
>brings his mutilated cock
*it was ineffective*
>deflect from
>randomly brings up his mutilated cock
What's next yankoid?
I'm not the guy you originally spoke to.
> learn english and ill respect you gay
>ill
This has to be bait.
im not gonna capitalize or add apostrophes for your bitch euro ass, if autocorrect wants to add it thats beyond my authority. This is my world you just live in it bitch
Yeah this is definitely someone larping as an American.
Please leave, this is a nice thread for discussing Russian weapon systems.
you can have a nice day and still get to heaven cause deleting a euro will even out the sin of suicide. id give it a shot
>nice thread
>europosters
pick one
You live an anglo world cut boy. Sit down and worship your superiors
i'm euro and you're talking my language. don't ever forget that.
quiet trash, we took your bastard dialect and sculpted it into the divine speech of the gods.
Just keep embarrassing yourself and amusing us, anon.
>I'm not going to practice proper grammar and punctuation
If you're not going to use English properly, you have no right to condemn others as ESL.
my vocabulary and grammar are fucking perfect, i dont have to prove anything to you. my posts exude brilliance by nature, while yours reek of ignorance hiding behind punctuation
Eat more crayons retard
Not him but I'm American and sometimes I end my sentences with "no?" to bait.
>just fucking ram it bro
Are you ryssian?
>UNKNOWN TECHNOLOGY
>Mobik swings a mi 28 by the tail rotor to hit a drone
Unironically based. One less Russian helicopter and some absolute kino to boot.
But not actually what the guy suggested.
No, I'm not saying to hit it with the physical body of the helicopter, just have it use the immense pressure of the down force from the rotor blades. For example:
?si=7NNW5VE4SWLfdOI3
Although, from reading the thread, it appears the Russian air force is incapable of such complex maneuvers, like flying over a low speed UAV.
Helicopter "jetwash" isn't particularly strong simply because it the high surface area the blades cover. It wouldn't really work anon.
>30mm
no igla no r-73? is russia really that cheap kek
>tfw the weird slav larper with a cock fetish shows up
was this one of those cardboard drone thingy ma jiggers
or one of those ukranian high tech buzzy drones
asking for my pal
What sort of drones are overloading Russia AA?
Ukrainian domestic drones like Bober, or some cardboard drones.
This is why Russia is fucking upset, they are like Shahed drones but actually do their job.
Hello?
Why didn't it use its air to airs designed for this. Tens of billions were spent
You can't try to shoot down a artificial intelligence flown drown in a dog fight with guns. It's got perfect and it's reaction time and calculation speed plus g loads will mean in a gun to gun fight the drone always wins. They'll just pull a 15 g turn on you then hit you with perfect aim faster than your mind can physically process it
Are Russians trying to dog fight flying mini terminators with helicopter cannons? This has to be fake no one is this stupid
Don't fucking look up the missiles you involuntary vatnik shill. What happened or shut the fuck up. Don't argue about the subject then look up the facts half way through you moron
>Mil-mi 28 apparently can't hit a slow moving drone from 50 feet away.
We did get that nighttime shootdown video literally yesterday. No way to confirm it was an Mi-28 though, just a straight line of orange tracers going down at a shallow angle and a big kaboom.
I think there's no direct coinrol of the gun, it is controlled by wire and it is just more laggy relative to the aplitude of the cobined movement of the drone and the chopper
pre war export models have nickname monkey models, now that could suggest domestic versions.
>now that could suggest domestic versions
Holy kek
If this was BF2 I could TV missile that drone out of the sky while doing a barrel roll solo and switching between pilot and gunner seats
>Putin is saving in case of an emergency
When you have lost a large chunk of your military armor, gone deep into your old reserves, and meat grindered a large portion of your fighting age men, what exactly is this emergency we’re talking about?
Is he expecting to go head to head against NATO at this point? Or is he just keeping things to use on his own people and military when they turn on him?
>30mm sovishit gun
LOL, LMAO even
what the fuck? Can they at least lower the ROF to achieve better accuracy?
I think that is the lower ROF.
That's the high ROF mode, the lower ROF is closer to a Bradley and apparently isn't that horrendously inaccurate. Still nothing to write home about though.
I know this is a bit off-topic, but how come we mostly see footage of/from Mi-24s and Ka-52s but almost nothing from the Russian Apacheski?