MiG-31 flies way faster and higher than the Tu-22, by this logic it would give the missile a longer range. The real reason for the discrepancy has been explained multiple times in this thread already.
>MiG-31 flies way faster and higher than the Tu-22
Yes, but Tu-22 can carry 4 times more weight. Maybe the Mig can´t go so fast and high with this giant missile. But the Tupolev can.
There’s no way a MiG is hitting clean top speeds or altitudes with that giant thing mounted, if the Tu-22 carries them internally that would probably make it better
It's literally just because the Tu-22 has a longer flight radius, and they add that number to the missiles effective range. How many times does it need to be explained?
I'm getting the distinct feeling you're motives in this thread aren't above-board, but I'll play along.
Nothing you wrote in this post is relevant to the listed ranges of Kinzhal. Kinzhal was, is, and always will be a fricking TBM strapped to a very fast plane for added range.
What moronic Russians did when they heard extended range, because they were too lazy to crunch numbers, opted instead to just add the range of the ballistic missile to the range of the plane carrying it. This had the added benefit of making it seem suuuuper longer-ranged than it has any physical capacity of being on its own.
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Samegay.
But that man does, indeed, know what he's talking about regardless.
>I'm getting the distinct feeling you're motives in this thread aren't above-board
Just watch the thread stay up way longer than it should be, it's always the same shit with these kind of threads.
There’s no way a MiG is hitting clean top speeds or altitudes with that giant thing mounted, if the Tu-22 carries them internally that would probably make it better
Kinzhal range is 1500km.
MiG-31 + Kinhzal total range is 2000km (loaded with Kinzhal + acceleration to launch speed and altitude limits MiG-31 to only 500km of combat radius).
Tu-22M3 + Kinzhal total range is 3000km.
>mig only has 40% range because its carrying something
I don't know what's worse: You're an idiot that is making up shitty excuses for why the missile is so shit...or, the plane is actually that shit. Both make you look like a completely incompetent turd world country.
MiG-31 has 730 km supersonic range at 2.3M with normal load (4*R-33).
11 months ago
Anonymous
Addition. That iscombat radilius for 2.3M dash to target (730km) then subsonic return to base.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Addition. That iscombat radilius for 2.3M dash to target (730km) then subsonic return to base.
>I don't know what's worse: You're an idiot that is making up shitty excuses for why the missile is so shit...or, the plane is actually that shit. Both make you look like a completely incompetent turd world country.
I don't have answers for you. I'm at a loss for which looks worse, I only know they both are extremely cucked positions. My heart goes out to you.
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Anonymous
I dunno why do you think MIG-31 is shit. Other planes have much much less supersonic ranges.
Holy shit my guy.
The problem isn't the difference between a static ground launch and an air launch. It's the fact that switching the launch vehicle massively increases range.
They're including the aircraft being able to physically carry more fuel and thus travel further to get to a more distant launch point.
Well Iskander range is 400-500km whereas Kinzhal range is ~500-600km, likely due to the altitude and speed at release.
So it DOES impact the range, just not by all that much.
No. The tupolev is the slowest and lowest of the two planes you dummy, and even if you flip it the MiG wouldn't add 1000KM tobthe range by flying a bit faster. The anon was correct regarding adding the range to the carrying aircrafts range
literally entered into service a couple months ago
did you even read the image?
I mean, it's "service" is being deployed for training in flordia. Not exactly deployed for operational use, and it won't be deployed for operations likely for several years.
>The US Army has deployed its first long-range hypersonic weapon system in Cape Canaveral, Florida, as part of a full expeditionary launch rehearsal. >“This unit is fully trained and has proven that they can be deployed away from home station and go right into whatever mission they’re given,” RCCTO Hypersonic Weapon Integration Manager Col. Ian Humphrey said.
they delivered the first battery and trained a unit to be ready to jump over to the pacific if shit starts going down
so its reached IOC and is in service
they just need to make more of them now
Yeah but again, they're not ACTUALLY going to be deployed, they're going to be training the new crews and learning the ropes for later crews. The first several years will be training.
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Anonymous
>It’s not real! >Okay, it’s real, but it’s not really hypersonic! >Okay it’s hypersonic, but it’s not in service! >Okay it’s in service, but it’s only with a training unit! >Okay it’s been delivered to actual units, but it’s never going to be used!
K-47 is a heavy b***h. The weight is what drops a Mig31's max altitude and thus, more than the aero, the speed
Aerodynamically a mig carrying the Kinzhal should still be able to reach close to mach 2.
Ask the Grim Reapers guys to do a Mig launched K47 test if you really care to find some mildly accurate details.
Because the russian shitheads silently defined the range of the missile like this:
official missile range = plane range + actual missile range
>official missile range = plane range
The missile range depend on the platform speed and altitude.
MiG-31 flies way faster and higher than the Tu-22, by this logic it would give the missile a longer range. The real reason for the discrepancy has been explained multiple times in this thread already.
>MiG-31 flies way faster and higher than the Tu-22
Yes, but Tu-22 can carry 4 times more weight. Maybe the Mig can´t go so fast and high with this giant missile. But the Tupolev can.
It's literally just because the Tu-22 has a longer flight radius, and they add that number to the missiles effective range. How many times does it need to be explained?
I'm getting the distinct feeling you're motives in this thread aren't above-board, but I'll play along.
Nothing you wrote in this post is relevant to the listed ranges of Kinzhal. Kinzhal was, is, and always will be a fricking TBM strapped to a very fast plane for added range.
What moronic Russians did when they heard extended range, because they were too lazy to crunch numbers, opted instead to just add the range of the ballistic missile to the range of the plane carrying it. This had the added benefit of making it seem suuuuper longer-ranged than it has any physical capacity of being on its own.
But that man does, indeed, know what he's talking about regardless.
>I'm getting the distinct feeling you're motives in this thread aren't above-board
Just watch the thread stay up way longer than it should be, it's always the same shit with these kind of threads.
There’s no way a MiG is hitting clean top speeds or altitudes with that giant thing mounted, if the Tu-22 carries them internally that would probably make it better
Explain to me how being used from Tu-22m Kinzhal gets extra 1000km
Kinzhal range is 1500km.
MiG-31 + Kinhzal total range is 2000km (loaded with Kinzhal + acceleration to launch speed and altitude limits MiG-31 to only 500km of combat radius).
Tu-22M3 + Kinzhal total range is 3000km.
>Kinzhal range is 1500km.
Range of Tu-22M3 is 2400km with 12000 kg of payload or 3 Kinzhals
Subsonic range. But prior to launch it needs to get to max speed and it eats into range.
>mig only has 40% range because its carrying something
I don't know what's worse: You're an idiot that is making up shitty excuses for why the missile is so shit...or, the plane is actually that shit. Both make you look like a completely incompetent turd world country.
MiG-31 has 730 km supersonic range at 2.3M with normal load (4*R-33).
Addition. That iscombat radilius for 2.3M dash to target (730km) then subsonic return to base.
>I don't know what's worse: You're an idiot that is making up shitty excuses for why the missile is so shit...or, the plane is actually that shit. Both make you look like a completely incompetent turd world country.
I don't have answers for you. I'm at a loss for which looks worse, I only know they both are extremely cucked positions. My heart goes out to you.
I dunno why do you think MIG-31 is shit. Other planes have much much less supersonic ranges.
I love how vatniks lie about everything. By this definition, the 30mm Gau-8 on the A-10 has a max range of 800miles(1300kms)
Bro, jdams have inifinity km range, since the b52 carrying them can aerial refuel and fly around the globe
>Infinity range
>Can JDAM Alpha Proxima
Truly the US is a super power that is unmatched anywhere.
>launch iskanders from 0km
vs
>launch iskand..sorry kh 47 from mach 3 already
gee i wonder why the damn thing has more range now
Holy shit my guy.
The problem isn't the difference between a static ground launch and an air launch. It's the fact that switching the launch vehicle massively increases range.
They're including the aircraft being able to physically carry more fuel and thus travel further to get to a more distant launch point.
i literally stated this
No, you stated that air launch has more range than ground launch.
But it's not the range of the weapon that matters here, it's the aircraft.
Well Iskander range is 400-500km whereas Kinzhal range is ~500-600km, likely due to the altitude and speed at release.
So it DOES impact the range, just not by all that much.
Because the Tu-22 has a larger flight range, that's literally it.
Because the Russians add the range of the plane to the range of the missile.
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The missile range depend on the platform speed and altitude.
No. The tupolev is the slowest and lowest of the two planes you dummy, and even if you flip it the MiG wouldn't add 1000KM tobthe range by flying a bit faster. The anon was correct regarding adding the range to the carrying aircrafts range
>hellfire is an intercontinental missile if you put it on a b52 and refuel mid flight
Why do these people do this?
With this way of thinking, a 20mm M61A1 cannon has the same range as the maximum range of a F-16
>implying it doesn't
Why does it matter when they're both equally meaningless
>only 10 times the speed of sound
>ground launched
>around 2800km unclassified range
Lmao meanwhile Russians have to use airplanes to achieve that range
>"in testing"
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
It came into service this year. It states it right there.
I mean, it's "service" is being deployed for training in flordia. Not exactly deployed for operational use, and it won't be deployed for operations likely for several years.
>The US Army has deployed its first long-range hypersonic weapon system in Cape Canaveral, Florida, as part of a full expeditionary launch rehearsal.
>“This unit is fully trained and has proven that they can be deployed away from home station and go right into whatever mission they’re given,” RCCTO Hypersonic Weapon Integration Manager Col. Ian Humphrey said.
they delivered the first battery and trained a unit to be ready to jump over to the pacific if shit starts going down
so its reached IOC and is in service
they just need to make more of them now
Yeah but again, they're not ACTUALLY going to be deployed, they're going to be training the new crews and learning the ropes for later crews. The first several years will be training.
>It’s not real!
>Okay, it’s real, but it’s not really hypersonic!
>Okay it’s hypersonic, but it’s not in service!
>Okay it’s in service, but it’s only with a training unit!
>Okay it’s been delivered to actual units, but it’s never going to be used!
Black folk can't read
literally entered into service a couple months ago
did you even read the image?
Guys, i shit you not, the range of the kinzhal is only like 600km
The reason for the difference is that russians add the range of the plane when calculating the range of the missile
This man knows what he's talking about.
Samegay.
K-47 is a heavy b***h. The weight is what drops a Mig31's max altitude and thus, more than the aero, the speed
Aerodynamically a mig carrying the Kinzhal should still be able to reach close to mach 2.
Ask the Grim Reapers guys to do a Mig launched K47 test if you really care to find some mildly accurate details.
Weight is not an issue
See whatever misilies and fuel MiG-31 and MiG-31BM can carry.
so to get this range the Mig would have to fly clear through polish and czech airspace?
show us the range from where the Mig gets shot down.
>MiG-31 combat range
>1200km
>Tu-22M combat range
>2400km
Curious how Kh-47 gets extra 1000km range thanks to be attached to Tu-22m
Hmmm let's see
Kinzhal estimated range is ~500-600km
>MiG-31 combat range
>~1450km
> 1450 + 500-600 (550) = 2000km range
>Tu-22M combat range
>~2500km
>2500 + 500-600 = 3000km range
Wow that was hard to figure out