>If it’s Ukraine I bet it’s going to be a small workshop sort of deal using 3D printers etc not a real industrial-scale production line.
sounds like a shekel extortion line.
…..because I saw pictures from an actual Ukrainian shell factory you absolute moron. They don’t have industrial-scale forging / casting they use small lathing machines and 3D printers for stuff.
What you're saying is that because you've seen at a Ukrainian factory once, God himself has given you powers of Divine Insight (tm), letting you predict exactly what all future Ukrainian factories will look like.
Fricking thing isn't even built and you're coping lmao
Yeah because there is a logistical advantage to shipping the metal powder and a 3d printer to the deployment zone so that you can print spare parts as needed.
However, you're not going to 3d print artillery shells. It would take hours for a small batch that fits inside the printer volume.
So by US taxpayers? That shithole was broke before the war. They're just gonna set up shop overseas so they can shell out our money even quicker holy shit...
>So by US taxpayers?
EU actually. USA sends very little actual money whereas EU is the one that keeps ukie economy propped up.
Though I guess now Russia is also bankroller because it is technically their seized money used for it.
>….you’re aware that Russia’s 2024 defense budget is over $400b?
Could you at least TRY to make your flagrant lies a LITTLE believable? Russia's entire fricking GDP is only about $2 trillion. They spent an already very high 5.9% of GDP on military last year, which equated to about $109 billion. >hurr they're totally spending 24% of GDP this year
You absolute fricking moron.
No. Hard luck. Will probably be making the ammunition for the CV-90 as Sweden are setting up a factory there so the Ukies can build their own vehicles. TZD is a team sport now.
Lmao. Imagine being this naive. Ukraine has exactly 0 CV90s on order. The Dutch and Swedish have a few on order they intend to gift Ukraine in 2026. But man can you imagine the type of moron that thinks the US is setting up a 40mm bofors factory in Ukraine?
>be mic >could set up another production line in a stable first world country >shareholders b***h about "muh profits" and politicians b***h about their kickbacks that employing mutt labor would cut into >fine fine, let's set up a plant in... a corrupt 3rd world shit hole embroiled in a protracted losing war
Truly we have the braintrust running the show. Galaxy brained move right there.
They are also building in Texas.
And ukies are definitely motivated to get that shit build quickly rather than lagging their feet with useless bureocracy.
>potracted losing war
Lol, lmao even >building in a another country
It expands the influence and its also outside of the usual americsn bureaucracy. So it can be built quickly while also making the Ukrainians have some sort of consistent line of production.
It's so pointless to do this while the war is still on and the threat of long range strikes is still a thing. Just put it in Poland, where it can't be stuck.
It's so useless to put an ammunition factory inside of a besieged country that is in desperate need of ammunition, they should totally put it further away so it costs more money and takes longer!!!!
You homosexuals are so fricking transparent it's not even funny.
>Build it in Ukraine >Lol bombed >Millions wasted >Build it in Poland >It's literally just a 3 hours drive away from the frontline >It's invincible >Churns out ammo forever
Ukrainian OPSEC is excellent, you can build factories in bomb-resistant facilities and Ukraine's air defense network is already built up enough to repel 95% of all attacks from Russia's long range munitions.
If have a question for you, if building an ammo factory in Ukraine is such a fricking horrible idea, why is Russia not able to destroy all of the already existing ammo factories in Ukraine?
Oh, because of all the of reasons I stated above. It's almost like they've been fighting a war for the past ten years or something.
>Lol bombed
If Ukraine was able to keep the production of drones and vehicles after 2 years of kalibrations, it would probably keep a shell factory safe.
>Build it in Ukraine >Lol bombed >Millions wasted >Build it in Poland >It's literally just a 3 hours drive away from the frontline >It's invincible >Churns out ammo forever
Do this.
I've seen vids of shells being milled in what is clearly underground with rock overhead. They have the Carpathians.
What would stop the Russians from instantly bombing that facility? Unless its in a hardened facility I don't see how it would survive a week. Even with Russia's terrible aim.
Do you think they're going to build it on the frontline, you fricking moron?
No, it's going to be hundreds of kilometers within Ukrainian territory, protected by anti-air batteries, in an undisclosed location and most likely underground.
Ohhhh, "missiles". Of course.
Now tell me, which missiles, fired from what weapon's platform.
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I am not going to pretend to know what specific missiles they would use or what specific weapon's platform they would be fired from. But I think you acting like its an outright impossibility and not a valid concern to have during an active war is incredibly stupid.
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Oh, so you don't know what the frick you're talking about. And yet here you are, running your fricking mouth.
You think Northrop Grumman don't know in intimate detail the entire arsenal of Russian long-range weapons? You think they don't know how to shoot down Russian missiles? You think the fricking bean counters up in finances haven't run every single possible scenario through a cost-benefit analysis algorithm?
You think we're fricking stupid, don't you. Well, my friend, we will be very happy to prove you wrong.
Now shut the frick up and stop posting you fricking tourist.
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>You think we're fricking stupid, don't you.
Why are you taking my posts as if they are somehow a personal attack on your very being? You don't know what they would use either, You do not work for Northrop Grumman and don't know what they have planned for. You also said "we're", tell me. Who do you refer to when you say "we"?
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Shut the frick up, I don't what you fricking say moron.
You're a pseud, you don't know about this war, shut the frick up.
1 week ago
Anonymous
Consider stepping back and reflect on why my posts have made you so irrationally upset. This will be my final post to you, goodbye.
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I'm sorry I hurt your feelings, now stop talking about shit you don't know the first thing about.
They'll just have to send 3 missiles for every one they plan to hit.
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Yeah, Russia has terrible aim
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With cumulative probability it actually works out to a lot more missiles they have to send if the accuracy is bad.
If your missiles have a 95% success rate and you want a 95% hit rate on 100 targets you actually statistically need to send 109 missiles just to hit those 95/100.
If your missiles instead only have a 30% hit rate and you want to hit at least 95/100 targets then you statistically need to send 381 missiles.
Man I wish I could get a job with the military-industrial complex, unironically seems like such a stable way to live since the companies you work for get unlimited money from every government
Why build it in Ukraine? Seems like unnecessary risk when they could build it in Poland, Romania etc and have >no disappearing manpower due to conscription >no risk of missile strikes >stable electric grid >less risk of sabotage >ukraine foots the bill and owns the factory anyway, can always move it after the war if necessary
Because once the war is over they will want to buy a stockpile artillery shells. Chances are, they will want their own homegrown supply so they can use their weapons however they wish. I'm betting they're building their specifically for that after war economy.
>Bankrolled by Ukraine using American dollars
Not even mad. TZD
lolberts do not comprehend how badly I want Uncle Joe to strap me to a minuteman III and then fire me at the Kremlin
>strap me to a minuteman III and then fire me at the Kremlin
Ikr
If it’s Ukraine I bet it’s going to be a small workshop sort of deal using 3D printers etc not a real industrial-scale production line.
>If it’s Ukraine I bet it’s going to be a small workshop sort of deal using 3D printers etc not a real industrial-scale production line.
sounds like a shekel extortion line.
How the frick would 3d printers be useful for an ammunition factory
The anon read some shit about 3d-printed munitions in Popular Science in 2011 along with some articles about Bluetooth underwear and carbon fiber.
My favorite was the transorbital marine squad rapid deployment vehicle.
funny enough how it was specifically just a "Marine squad" implying grunts and not Raiders or Force Recon.
…..because I saw pictures from an actual Ukrainian shell factory you absolute moron. They don’t have industrial-scale forging / casting they use small lathing machines and 3D printers for stuff.
yeah to make fins and no-stress components, no shit.
Show me
What you're saying is that because you've seen at a Ukrainian factory once, God himself has given you powers of Divine Insight (tm), letting you predict exactly what all future Ukrainian factories will look like.
Fricking thing isn't even built and you're coping lmao
Show us the small lathe turning a 152/155mm shell.
Sounds like a shit ass improvised wartime production line.
Somehow I doubt it's the type of thing Northrop will be setting up,
>plan to build industrial plant
>they don't currently have industrial plant
I wonder if that's why they want to build one?
the military actually is doing work on metal 3d printing. a snarky midwit comment today becomes the babbling moronation or well... a moron tomorrow.
Yeah because there is a logistical advantage to shipping the metal powder and a 3d printer to the deployment zone so that you can print spare parts as needed.
However, you're not going to 3d print artillery shells. It would take hours for a small batch that fits inside the printer volume.
The 3d printers are for drone components
collage money i homless blyat
Would the shells manufactured in these facilities be considered US weapons after they suddenly land in Kursk?
I guess you could if you were a moron
Don't give s*llivan any ideas
>bankrolled by Ukraine
So by US taxpayers? That shithole was broke before the war. They're just gonna set up shop overseas so they can shell out our money even quicker holy shit...
Bankrolled by Russia, actually.
this is the ultimate irony. hey, they are hiring Americans to do it, so some of the Russian money is coming back to the US.
>So by US taxpayers?
EU actually. USA sends very little actual money whereas EU is the one that keeps ukie economy propped up.
Though I guess now Russia is also bankroller because it is technically their seized money used for it.
They just got about half a Russian yearly defense spending in a single non-predatory loan, financed by Russia.
They got a $200b loan? Damn.
Last I checked their security check was 109B USD.
….you’re aware that Russia’s 2024 defense budget is over $400b? Because it sounds like you may not be.
I guess I am not.
Provide your source, please.
no it fricking isnt, are you frickign stupid? Maybe 400 billion rubles, so like, 5 cents.
>….you’re aware that Russia’s 2024 defense budget is over $400b?
Could you at least TRY to make your flagrant lies a LITTLE believable? Russia's entire fricking GDP is only about $2 trillion. They spent an already very high 5.9% of GDP on military last year, which equated to about $109 billion.
>hurr they're totally spending 24% of GDP this year
You absolute fricking moron.
Does 'medium caliber' mean 25mm ammo for the Bradleys...?
potentially
No. Hard luck. Will probably be making the ammunition for the CV-90 as Sweden are setting up a factory there so the Ukies can build their own vehicles. TZD is a team sport now.
Lmao. Imagine being this naive. Ukraine has exactly 0 CV90s on order. The Dutch and Swedish have a few on order they intend to gift Ukraine in 2026. But man can you imagine the type of moron that thinks the US is setting up a 40mm bofors factory in Ukraine?
GOOD. FASTER. But seriously, operational factory when?
The way you phrased that title made me think I was back on PrepHole
DOMAIN EXPANSION: ARSENAL OF DEMOCRACY
>be mic
>could set up another production line in a stable first world country
>shareholders b***h about "muh profits" and politicians b***h about their kickbacks that employing mutt labor would cut into
>fine fine, let's set up a plant in... a corrupt 3rd world shit hole embroiled in a protracted losing war
Truly we have the braintrust running the show. Galaxy brained move right there.
GD is currently building a shell factory in Texas
why settle for one mic shell factory when you can have two
They are also building in Texas.
And ukies are definitely motivated to get that shit build quickly rather than lagging their feet with useless bureocracy.
>potracted losing war
Lol, lmao even
>building in a another country
It expands the influence and its also outside of the usual americsn bureaucracy. So it can be built quickly while also making the Ukrainians have some sort of consistent line of production.
>a corrupt 3rd world shit hole
lmao you ziggers are still trying to push this line.
But they're building it in Ukraine not Russia moronkun
Did you forget what the meaning of MIC is?
It's so pointless to do this while the war is still on and the threat of long range strikes is still a thing. Just put it in Poland, where it can't be stuck.
It's so useless to put an ammunition factory inside of a besieged country that is in desperate need of ammunition, they should totally put it further away so it costs more money and takes longer!!!!
You homosexuals are so fricking transparent it's not even funny.
>Build it in Ukraine
>Lol bombed
>Millions wasted
>Build it in Poland
>It's literally just a 3 hours drive away from the frontline
>It's invincible
>Churns out ammo forever
Do this.
>Churns out ammo forever
or until until polaks block the border again due some farmer chimpout
Until it is blocked again lmao. Its better to set it up where you can get it without red tape bullshit.
Ukrainian OPSEC is excellent, you can build factories in bomb-resistant facilities and Ukraine's air defense network is already built up enough to repel 95% of all attacks from Russia's long range munitions.
If have a question for you, if building an ammo factory in Ukraine is such a fricking horrible idea, why is Russia not able to destroy all of the already existing ammo factories in Ukraine?
Oh, because of all the of reasons I stated above. It's almost like they've been fighting a war for the past ten years or something.
>Lol bombed
If Ukraine was able to keep the production of drones and vehicles after 2 years of kalibrations, it would probably keep a shell factory safe.
I've seen vids of shells being milled in what is clearly underground with rock overhead. They have the Carpathians.
>Bankrolled by Ukraine using seized Russian ASSets
Is Ukraine still building trucks in a shed in Romania or did they finally get a decent plant set up?
What would stop the Russians from instantly bombing that facility? Unless its in a hardened facility I don't see how it would survive a week. Even with Russia's terrible aim.
Do you think they're going to build it on the frontline, you fricking moron?
No, it's going to be hundreds of kilometers within Ukrainian territory, protected by anti-air batteries, in an undisclosed location and most likely underground.
It doesn't need to be on the frontline to be bombed you dope.
And what weapons, pray tell, will Russia use to bomb it?
Missiles, I have to assume they didn't use quite literally every missile in their arsenal. They must have some in reserve.
Ohhhh, "missiles". Of course.
Now tell me, which missiles, fired from what weapon's platform.
I am not going to pretend to know what specific missiles they would use or what specific weapon's platform they would be fired from. But I think you acting like its an outright impossibility and not a valid concern to have during an active war is incredibly stupid.
Oh, so you don't know what the frick you're talking about. And yet here you are, running your fricking mouth.
You think Northrop Grumman don't know in intimate detail the entire arsenal of Russian long-range weapons? You think they don't know how to shoot down Russian missiles? You think the fricking bean counters up in finances haven't run every single possible scenario through a cost-benefit analysis algorithm?
You think we're fricking stupid, don't you. Well, my friend, we will be very happy to prove you wrong.
Now shut the frick up and stop posting you fricking tourist.
>You think we're fricking stupid, don't you.
Why are you taking my posts as if they are somehow a personal attack on your very being? You don't know what they would use either, You do not work for Northrop Grumman and don't know what they have planned for. You also said "we're", tell me. Who do you refer to when you say "we"?
Shut the frick up, I don't what you fricking say moron.
You're a pseud, you don't know about this war, shut the frick up.
Consider stepping back and reflect on why my posts have made you so irrationally upset. This will be my final post to you, goodbye.
I'm sorry I hurt your feelings, now stop talking about shit you don't know the first thing about.
They'll just have to send 3 missiles for every one they plan to hit.
Yeah, Russia has terrible aim
With cumulative probability it actually works out to a lot more missiles they have to send if the accuracy is bad.
If your missiles have a 95% success rate and you want a 95% hit rate on 100 targets you actually statistically need to send 109 missiles just to hit those 95/100.
If your missiles instead only have a 30% hit rate and you want to hit at least 95/100 targets then you statistically need to send 381 missiles.
Man I wish I could get a job with the military-industrial complex, unironically seems like such a stable way to live since the companies you work for get unlimited money from every government
Why build it in Ukraine? Seems like unnecessary risk when they could build it in Poland, Romania etc and have
>no disappearing manpower due to conscription
>no risk of missile strikes
>stable electric grid
>less risk of sabotage
>ukraine foots the bill and owns the factory anyway, can always move it after the war if necessary
Because once the war is over they will want to buy a stockpile artillery shells. Chances are, they will want their own homegrown supply so they can use their weapons however they wish. I'm betting they're building their specifically for that after war economy.
>Ammunition factory in Ukraine
Bomb it.