Mexican army modernization

For some inexplicable reason Mexico has chosen you to pick what vehicles they should buy to replace their older units. What do?

  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    can i replace the mexicans driving these things?

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    What the fuck is that artillery? It looks like a BRDM with some WWII tank turret that's had the gun replaced with a mortar.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's a Mexican made version of the Cadillac-Gage Commando with a mortar, most of the length of the barrel is inside of the turret. Basically the same as this, but the turret rotates so the crew stays under armor.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        What the fuck is that artillery? It looks like a BRDM with some WWII tank turret that's had the gun replaced with a mortar.

        More specifically, I think the original anon is actually correct, I think that's a Commando that somehow acquired the turret from an M8 Scott.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          https://i.imgur.com/lmCnyIX.png

          It's a Mexican made version of the Cadillac-Gage Commando with a mortar, most of the length of the barrel is inside of the turret. Basically the same as this, but the turret rotates so the crew stays under armor.

          What the fuck is that artillery? It looks like a BRDM with some WWII tank turret that's had the gun replaced with a mortar.

          Tell me this isn't an M8 Scott turret

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Mexico inherited a lot of US equipment at the end of WW2 and was still building parts for them into the 60s. Makes sense. They still have running Greyhounds. They drive them around for parades and stuff.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >you will never experience running down cartel fags in a modernized greyhound

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Mexico can keep vehicles from the 40s running, but Russia can't keep stuff from the late 80s and early 90s in even semi-operational condition.

            A conflict where Russia tried something on North American soil would truly be a black comedy gore fest.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Mexico is good at keeping old things running and they keep constructing parts for them. They were running fleets of beetles not that long ago.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Keeping beetles running is no great feat. They're incredibly crude and primitive vehicles.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >They still have running Greyhounds. They drive them around for parades and stuff.
            Yeah, maybe for parades. But the wiki doesn't show mexico as a current operator.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Of course they don't use them in active service anymore. They're 80 years old.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Would be neat if they did though. More than enough for their crimminals.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/Ep9XCjO.jpg

      [...]
      More specifically, I think the original anon is actually correct, I think that's a Commando that somehow acquired the turret from an M8 Scott.

      https://i.imgur.com/0DkKD7B.jpg

      [...]
      [...]
      Tell me this isn't an M8 Scott turret

      That’s exactly what it is. Truth really is stranger than fiction.

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DN-V_Bufalo

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Replace everything with South Korean made hardware. F/A-50 for their Air Force. And now I wait for the G*rmoids to seethe endlessly about this.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      neat

      doubt they will, mexico has always had good relations with germany

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Mexico has good relations with both Germany and Korea. Both of those countries have strong industrial presence in Mexico too. I personally think Korean is better for Mexico as it tends to be lighter and better suited for the types of mountain environment that most of Mexico is comprised of. Pic related is a better option for Mexico than a full sized MBT.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The gunship version of the EC725 that Korea makes would actually be a good helo for Mexico since they like the 725 and make use of transport mounted guns often. K21 is also a good choice because it's lighter than most of the competition and they already are looking into arming their new ifvs with a 40mm gun.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        That's fucking hot.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Mexico currently operates a bunch of the normal versions for their airborne units. Armed version would be extra cool.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Maybe my eyes are retarded but somehow when a Military does a photoshoot their Equipment always looks photoshopped in for me

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              They always mess with color adjustment and exposure on specific equipment so it stands out and looks cooler but that makes it contrast too highly against backgrounds and human brains can detect that as looking odd.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      4 replies in and we already have our first Korea shill

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I'm always here, babe.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          can you actually dodge real military service as a full-time shill in worst korea?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >another thread with totally organic korea vs germany shit flinging
      This shit is tiring

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Ok, I'll behave. Pinky promise.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >F/A-50 for their Air Force
      What's the advantage of choosing that over the F-35. Both politically and militarily

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Why would Mexico even need the F-35? It's probably twice or more expensive to maintain than the F/A-50 and Mexico has no aspirations of being sent half-way across the world to duke it out with Chinese or Russian fighters, plus none of their Southern neighbors pose any military threat to them.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        F/A50 is much cheaper, but the US MIC already has some aerospace manufacturing in Mexico so I personally it would make more sense for Mexico to choose US aircraft. F16 or F18 make much more sense for Mexico than the F35, unless Mexico plans on doing deep strikes against a foreign nation, which I doubt they will.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          For hunting cartels and disuading Hondurans you don't even need manned aircraft. Predator if you want to go US, Bayraktar if you want the same thing but cheaper.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Wiesel for recon

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Same energy

      Captcha HOT 0W

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    What in the fuck is that apc?

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    What's my budget like? What potential conflicts am I arming them for?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Not OP but you would probably be trying to genocide heavily armed cartels

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Nuke all of mexico. Problem solved.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >What potential conflicts am I arming them for?
      Fighting a low intensity civil war against narco-terrorists and possibly bombing their houses and facilities as well if they're well secluded away from major urban centers. Imagine that all gloves are off and Mexico decides to go full Aztec on their asses, instead of still insisting on treating it like a law-enforcement issue.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        MRAPs everywhere, drones and thermals for everyone, entire airforce can be bayraktar

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I still dont understand why the USA hasnt done anything about Mexicos or any south American countries cartel problem by now
        Its not like it doesnt affect them considering how much illegal shit and immigrants enter the states due to them

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Because corrupt US Feds and Mexican Feds benefit from the drug trade and it's semi-controlled opposition. When cartels actually run awry of politicians then you see shit like that entire group of near 100 CJNG narcos with their armored vehicles getting roasted alive by the army. You don't see more like that because crooked politicians.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            No one asked you to come in here and post facts. Get back to making funny load outs for worst Texas and ignoring pressing concerns.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah, the reason mexico hasn't destroyed the cartels isn't because of lack of capacity, it's because it's so insanely corrupt, it would make the russian mafia blush.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Because there are no good options.

          >Death Penalty to all drug dealers!

          Lmao OK, we'll just ship the cocaine to Europe in greater bulk and leave you with homegrown, deadlier synthetics. In the meantime we'll muscle in on every legitimate business within Mexico and stay as powerful as ever.

          >Invade Mexico!

          Congrats, the entirety of Latin America now actively despises you, including tens of millions of Latinos within your own border. Have fun with that lil insurgency.

          >Arm the Mexican army to the teeth!

          AMLO's already massively expanded the reach of SEDENA (Ministry of Defense) to little to no effect on the ground. Plus most of the Mexican army is compromised to some degree, look at Cienfuegos. The fact that the US feds only trust the Mexican Marines is indicative of this. Plus it's the same as Iraq/Afghan/wherever. The minute the shiny new convoy leaves, the locals start grumbling and going back to their own ways. Look up the history of a place like Tierra Caliente (where CJNG and La Familia originate from). It's been this way for more than a century.

          >Public health approach!
          Lmao, as if the Mexican state has the capacity for that.

          The CIA guy from Sicario was unironically right. The best course of action is to support certain cartels, tell them to stop with the overt displays of violence, and then just wait a generation and hope that Mexico can sort itself out. Look how long Colombia took to become even vaguely peaceful.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >AMLO's already massively expanded the reach of SEDENA (Ministry of Defense)
            what happened to that tagline of his about hugs instead of guns?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              When he decided to just tell the army to stand down and let the narcos win, his approval rating literally fell from 85% to 20%. The majority of Mexicans would rather see narcos done away with than pretend to take some unrealistic moral high road.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              backfired massively

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >why the USA hasnt done anything about Mexicos or any south American countries cartel
          What are you talking about? They give cartels money, weapons and even training.
          You could even argue that the US Is trying to destabilize Mexico. But the US goverment Is no capable of such thing, right?
          https://misionverdad.com/english/us-special-forces-trained-mexican-drug-cartels
          https://edition.cnn.com/2013/08/27/world/americas/operation-fast-and-furious-fast-facts/index.html

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Recon: Axed, replaced with modified HMMVs
    >Utility: No need for an update, especially with the US looking to sell off its current stock
    >AFV :Axed, doctrinally redundant. Crew retrained on the Stryker-based M1131 FSV.
    >IFV: Axed, doctrinally redundant.
    >Armor: Replaced by ATGM-teams and the Stryker-based M1134 ATGMV.
    >Artillery: M109A6 Paladin, America has a bunch of them to sell as they transition to M109A7
    >Fire support: Stryker-based M1128 MGS
    >Trans Helo: Mi-24 Super Hind
    >APC: Stryker-based M1126 ICV
    >Attack Helo: Doctrinally redundant, rolled into the Super Hind
    >Combat Plane: Super Tucano
    Look, realistically what does Mexico need? A logistically streamlined, all-terrain capable, and CHEAP mechanized force. It would also be nice to buy some American goodwill while we're at it, or at least stuff that we can buy off of them as they continue to modernize their forces even though their shit from the seventies is wunderwaffe for any other country of our caliber. We do not have the industrial base or logistical capacity to field a real main battle tank, so there's no point in bitching about the Stryker on grounds of inadequate armor. The only really interesting choices to be made I think are in the combat plane and trans helo/attack helo space. Mexico doesn't need a dedicated attack helicopter, and a modernized Mi-24 does a good enough job of doing both at once while also being resistant to the AA cartels can get ahold of. The only air force we're worried about in the short term is Guatemala's so I think we'll be fine with just the super toucan but honestly I'm not a plane guy so I'm willing to hear counter-arguments.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I actually really like your list and reasoning for a lot of reasons. I'd suggest adding some drone or light UAV to the recon category though. They should be just cheap enough now to warrant Mexico getting into them and the majority of the terrain is ripe for their use.
      I appreciate that that most of the equipment is from US/Canada as any war that would disrupt those channels would be a war with the USAA which would already be lost before it started (no offense mexibros, just being real). I also like that you thought enough to buy from Brazil as that helps improve relations and they are the obvious rising star of the western hemisphere. I am kind of suspect about the Mi24 though. Can you explain what other options you considered and why you decided against them?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The Shaheed has proven that there's definitely lots of utility that can come out of light drone use, but I don't know of any platforms that I think leverage it with maximum effectiveness. If we could drum up a UAV-launch platform Stryker variant and turn the flying lawnmower missile into a flying lawnmower spy plane/grenade dropper for organic aerial recon capabilities that would be ideal, but I don't know of any systems like that currently in play. Throw the idea at our domestic defense industry, it’s a good low stakes project that build skills necessary for what could be a pivotal equipment genre going forward.
        I wanted to eliminate either the attack helo or the helo transport role, as rotary winged aircraft are maintenance whores, so I needed a platform that can suitably fulfill either role on demand. The Hind defined precisely that genre. If Sikorsky would be willing to mass produce an export model of the MH-70 DAP it would be the obvious choice for the same reasons that made the Stryker platform so compelling, plus compatibility with the UH-60s already in use, but as far as I’m aware that’s not on the table. Hinds are available, they’re cheap, and they’re so cheap we can buy a modernized version that's pretty good for cheap so what the hell, I'll make that deal with the devil.

        I’d keep the VBLs tbh

        I don't have strong feelings about them, which means that I'm okay with replacing them with technicals, HMMVs, and small UAVs in exchange for a better logistical profile.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >The Shaheed has proven that there's definitely lots of utility that can come out of light drone use
          opinion discarded

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I'd never considered strapping a lawnmower engine to a flying wing and doing literally anything with it before Russia started lobbing them at playgrounds. I'm not saying the Shaheed is a cruise missile replacement or the future of warfare, it's just a new concept that I think has promise for developing nations if applied to other applications.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Its a weapon of terror, not of war. Its slow, easily trackable, and has a CEP of like 50 meters.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Not the point and not why I think it's interesting. It's cheap, it can be deployed in great numbers by marginally-industrialized third world countries, and if it can carry 50kgs of explosives it can carry a couple of antenna and a camera. Pair a couple of launch platforms with every FSV and brag about having organic aerial recon capabilities at the company level, force your third world neighbors to invest in AA or seethe.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >brag about having organic aerial recon capabilities at the company level,
                Shasneed has no camera. It's just (probably) just using a commercial GPS chip and some preprogrammed waypoints.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Not the point
                That's entirely the point.
                >It's cheap
                Its not that cheap, especially because you're buying in foreign.
                >it can carry a couple of antenna and a camera
                And yet we never see this capability, only its use as a suicide drone, despite Russia being desperate for intel. Funny that.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                shahed is like 20k a pop for something that you can make off of shit you find in a hobby store. for what it is it's pretty expensive(to buy, not make). the iranians must be laughing their assess off.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >it can be deployed in great numbers by marginally-industrialized third world countries
                Mexico is way past the marginally-industrialized stage and they aren't sanctioned to hell and back. They have no need for the Shasneed.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >it's just a new concept
              That's giving them too much credit, Israel developed cheap loitering munitions decades ago. It's good at terror bombing cheaply and not much else, it doesn't even have it's own sensors so it's worse than most loitering munitions.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >It's good at terror bombing cheaply
                I'm talking about a hypothetical recon drone with similar form factor and cost per unit, not a shitty loitering munition. This is not a new concept but I've only started giving it any real thought after Russia started using the Shaheed.

                >brag about having organic aerial recon capabilities at the company level,
                Shasneed has no camera. It's just (probably) just using a commercial GPS chip and some preprogrammed waypoints.

                >Shasneed has no camera.
                I'm using the Shaheed as a generic stand in for light, cheap, fixed-wing UAVs.

                >Not the point
                That's entirely the point.
                >It's cheap
                Its not that cheap, especially because you're buying in foreign.
                >it can carry a couple of antenna and a camera
                And yet we never see this capability, only its use as a suicide drone, despite Russia being desperate for intel. Funny that.

                >And yet we never see this capability
                I am not going to judge a concept's merits on the ability of Russians to actualize it.

                >it can be deployed in great numbers by marginally-industrialized third world countries
                Mexico is way past the marginally-industrialized stage and they aren't sanctioned to hell and back. They have no need for the Shasneed.

                >Mexico is way past the marginally-industrialized stage and they aren't sanctioned to hell and back
                So they can probably make a better recon platform in the same weight class domestically, even better.

                Kinda shit tbh. Mexico also tested Strykers and thought they were too roll over prone. IIRC, they're already looking to buy the Patria AMV with a 40mm gun instead. Also axing the recon vehicles is retarded. The VBL aren't even outdated.

                The Stryker can be bought cheaply and in large quantities from countries that aren't separated from Mexico by an ocean, and Mexican troops can drill directly with the most prolific users of the Stryker with ease because they share a land border. The Boxer or the Patria may or may not be a better platform mechanically, the Stryker makes sense fiscally and organizationally.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >I am not going to judge a concept's merits on the ability of Russians to actualize it.
                Have you seen anyone do it?
                >I'm using the Shaheed as a generic stand in for light, cheap, fixed-wing UAVs.
                Nevermind, this is our disconnect. I feel this is a ridiculous generalization. Not saying you are wrong, just that we can't have a productive conversation about this when you hold this.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Have you seen anyone do it?
                The RQ-12 Wasp is similar to but smaller than what I was thinking of. The Marines are also buying them for $322,500 a pop, which is another major difference.
                >I feel this is a ridiculous generalization.
                You're probably right, I didn't put any thought into it beyond "what's an easily-recognizable platform with some similarities to what I have in mind?" My bad for picking the buzzword of the week I guess.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >The Stryker can be bought cheaply and in large quantities from countries that aren't separated from Mexico by an ocean, and Mexican troops can drill directly with the most prolific users of the Stryker with ease because they share a land border. The Boxer or the Patria may or may not be a better platform mechanically, the Stryker makes sense fiscally and organizationally.

                Germutts like building stuff in Mexico so Mexico would likely be better off getting a Boxer factory than US surplus.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Not with German arms export laws it's not.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                It's easy to get around that by simply selling the license to the design to a local partner or subsidiary. It's how Turkey gets away with utilizing German tech.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Just sell the blueprints to a Mexican partner and collect the royalties.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I’d keep the VBLs tbh

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I'd love to have one. Logistically I'm sure it would be impossible to acquire much less maintain, but I didn't know what one was before today.

        They already have Blackhawks, I have no idea why they would change their helos

        Weird to me how their helicopters are all over the place. Russian, US, and Euro. That's gotta cause cross training/logistics problems. Blackhawk does make the most sense, I'm sure they can get plenty of helicopters and parts from the US for cheap. I like how they painted their F-5s. I know they don' have much purpose for real heavy military hardware. Wish some hilarious war were declared on them

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >I know they don' have much purpose for real heavy military hardware. Wish some hilarious war were declared on them
          I forsee them getting more involved in the Carib or South America if they manage to finally address the cartel issue (it'll take a long time to fully counter but they really seem to be turning the tide this time on it).

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Very nice, except I'd swap the Super Hind for armed Black Hawks, Venoms or AW149s. Idk how much more expensive that would be tho.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Got my vote

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Kinda shit tbh. Mexico also tested Strykers and thought they were too roll over prone. IIRC, they're already looking to buy the Patria AMV with a 40mm gun instead. Also axing the recon vehicles is retarded. The VBL aren't even outdated.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Recon VBL
      keep, they're already there and new
      >Ute Humvee
      keep
      >AFV
      any cheap Western 8x8 will do, JLTVs fill the 4x4 role
      >IFV
      unnecesary
      >Armor
      If the USA commits to MPF get a few of those, if not, see if GDLS will sell em cheap, if not don't bother
      >Artillery
      M109s and M777s
      >Fire support
      unnecessary
      >Transport helo
      Brazil picked the H225M Super Puma for very good reason; good performance, strong civilian user base and proven airframe
      avoid Russhit
      >Attack helo
      Armed Little Birds actually aren't a bad idea, depending on what can (and can't) be hung on the Pumas for cheap. Hinds are a bad idea because they're the worst of both worlds, you want dedicated attack and transport because you want your birds to be able to run simultaneous missions ie you can't send transports to evac while they're flying back to rearm after expending ordnance. Attack helos have more loiter time than CAS birds
      >CAS bird
      depends on budget and geography, optional
      >Combat plane
      FA-50s are useful, even necessary because you need supersonic intercept capabilities to prevent a 9/11 ie a hijacked civvy 737 trying to kamikaze Mexico City.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >IFV
        >unnecessary
        >Fire support
        >unnecessary

        Christ, some real fucking retards ITT

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >budget what budget
          yeah sure, buy everything and the kitchen sink like the lardass american you are

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Mexico is like the 12th biggest economy in the world. They can buy some fucking IFVs.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              8x8s with a 30mm autocannon should suffice

              do they really need a full armoured division with all the bells and whistles?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Norf Mexico is deserts and plains better suited to tracked vehicles. IFVs like the K21 or basic CV90 don't really cost any more than something like Boxer or Patria AMV with a turret. Mexico has about 400~500 tracked vehicles.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I say splooge and get mraps they’re superior to the humvee in combat and those types would likely be the most used vehicle in operations (along with the vbls) that Mexico would get into

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          JLTV *is* the MRAP

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            fuck i’m blind

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    They already have Blackhawks, I have no idea why they would change their helos

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Whatever America is getting rid of. Mexico gets good stuff cheap. America can call on Mexico to maintain all those stores, and draw from them, instead of doing it itself.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Mexico has had bad experiences buying American surplus. Specifically Hueys and Humvees. They usually already come to Mexico heavily used and Mexico actually uses their equipment constantly so it's a lot easier and ultimately cheaper long term for Mexico to just acquire new builds, whether it be a US or Euro design. They're already planning on retiring 5,500 Humvees they got from the US and replacing them with their local version of the Plasan Sandcat. Mexico also likes building stuff locally because it creates local jobs and boosts the economy. They're all getting RWS soon too.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Mexico having cheap labor and established industrial expertise also makes them attractive for arms companies to set up shop. Plasan actually just ended up building an armor factory in Mexico that supplies the global market in addition to their Israeli and US plants. Mexico then learns how to make stuff through experience, like China but without CCP intervention. Front vehicle is the Israeli Sand Cat, rear version is the Mexican DN-XI variant with a different engine, larger frame and Mexican RWS. They both have armor sourced from the Mexican Plasan plant while the longer vehicle is tailored for Mexican specs and the shorter variant is the original Israeli version and can be exported.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    They should unironically use the A-10 instead of whatever planes and helis they have. Its a perfect fit.

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