Merkava in a peer-war

Merkavas seem to be pretty good at anti-insurgency operations, but do we have any estimates how they’d perform in a peer war?
>Easy mode
Going up against Syrian T-55s/72s
>Medium mode
Fighting Iranian T-90s
>Hard mode
Head to head with Egyptian M1 Abrams

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Merkervas are the least protected modern "western" tank, except maybe the as yet unproven Frenchy tank. Challenger IIs, Abrams, and Leopard IIs have all faced the same threats that the Merkerva faced in Lebanon in 2006 and have performed better than the Merkerva did against them. I would still expect Merkervas to do better than any T-tank, and if Israel came back into conflict with Egypt, I don't think that the other advantages that Israel has over Egypt, militarily, would be overcome by the fact that Egypt has Abrams,

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Provided they are losing badly israelis will simply deploy nuclear weapons against abrams formations.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        As a cold war era tank, wasn't that something the Abrams was designed to resist?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          They were designed to withstand against NBC warfare, not direct nuclear blasts.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it's only true if you consider the whole series as a single tank

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >are the least protected modern "western" tank,
      Proof please. The armor is thicc, and the active protection system has proven its worth.

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >but do we have any estimates how they’d perform in a peer war?
    they would do fine
    they have a 120mm gun, commander thermals, and composite armor

    the only thing that really sets them below average is mobility
    but "being somewhat slower" isnt the same as "bad", it still powered by a 1500hp engine for a respectable P/W ratio

    >Going up against Syrian T-55s/72s
    T-55s were destroyed by centurions and upgunned shermans, merkava would have no trouble

    >Fighting Iranian T-90s
    a more even fight
    but even the T-90M used by the russians is not on the same level as the merk, much less legacy T-90s that were just rebranded T-72Bs

    >Head to head with Egyptian M1 Abrams
    roughly equal, but the egyptian M1s are lacking the KE protection and electronic upgrades afforded by the SEP packages
    while the later merkavas like the 4+ models (4M, 4 barak) would be very up to date in upgrades

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Merkervas are the least protected modern "western" tank, except maybe the as yet unproven Frenchy tank. Challenger IIs, Abrams, and Leopard IIs have all faced the same threats that the Merkerva faced in Lebanon in 2006 and have performed better than the Merkerva did against them. I would still expect Merkervas to do better than any T-tank, and if Israel came back into conflict with Egypt, I don't think that the other advantages that Israel has over Egypt, militarily, would be overcome by the fact that Egypt has Abrams,

      Thanks for the info guys I really like the design of the Merkava

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The Egyptian M1s are also crewed by Egyptians, so take that as you will.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Going up against Syrian T-55s/72s
    >Fighting Iranian T-90s

    Extremly easy for the merkaba

    >Head to head with Egyptian M1 Abrams

    Merkavas can fire this thing

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LAHAT

    so they could defeat in the desert any incoming tank before the other tank can shoot back, but in urban warfare both tanks are pretty similar

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the IDF doesn't field LAHAT

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Not anymore because they had this stuff hidden during the later cold war

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pereh

        You can bet your ass if war with egypt was a posibility they would equip each merkava with at least one of those.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          they're still more likely to just field more SPIKE NLOS
          it's what it was designed to defeats
          and the pereh went out of service, but it was replaced by a different vehicle with the same code name in the same artillery brigade
          i don't know what it is but i can guess

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I don't think spike nlos will be copecage compatible like the merkava mortar now having a copecage above.

            We are obviously talking bullshit theories here but in a possible conflict with egypt without air superiority something like lahat in merkavas can be put instantly, while the spike may be good for other platforms or somehow put above without a copecage.

            Honestly i would not be suprised if whoever is in charge of the merkava design long term removes the upper turret and leaves the back door as the only entry, this drone meme shit will make tanks obsolete long term but the merkava is probably the only one that can be more or less long term updated as it is to deal with new threats but even that will have it's limits as eventually these meme drones will have AI and even jamming won't be enough they will be fire and forget over a certain area and the fricking drone will decide by itself.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              merkava doesn't need to mount SPIKE NLOS
              and APS in the near future will be able to defeat drones
              iron fist already demonstrated it

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, demonstrated that it can't intercept half a century old AT weapons too.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                iron fist isn't trophy
                and trophy is doing just fine in gaza

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >dude theyre better because of this missile that isnt even fitted to the tank.
          Are you fricking moronic or what?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The missile was designed specially for the merkava Israel is no longer using it because Spike launched by soldiers is Even better but lahat can be added on merks as it's rocket ammo designed for it

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >all in one battle taxi assault gun

    In the kind of trench assaults done in the Kherson counteroffensive, it would be ideal. T-72s are 2ish million, Merkava IVs are 4ish. Leo 1s are 250k.

    Old Merkava handmedowns to pair with Bradleys for assault formations could be justified. Spamming Leo 1s for direct fire support is most cost effective; everything's vulnerable to top down loitering munitions, may as well be cheap and fast.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >may as well be cheap and fast.
      no, you need heavy armor to stop ATGMs, handheld rockets, and autocannons as well

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Idk, they were ever only used to BTFO children and families so it is like the LeClerc, just speculation.

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Head to head with Egyptian M1 Abrams
    bro you're absolutely detached from reality if you think the egyptian armor is a threat to anyone other than some tiannamen-style protest in egypt

    the entire armored force of the country will be wiped after inflicting 0 casualties

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How much gazan territory (no tanks) have merkavas conquered so far after 9 months?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yesterday they said it will take them around 7 more months to methodically genocide the population room to room so not much, I guess.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Everything outside of central Rafah it seems.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Kek

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Despite the harsh urban environment of Gaza, how come we’ve seen so few Israeli casualties?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Israel always lie about casualties to maintain an aura of invincibility
            Recently it was disclosed that a certain high ranking officer had died early in October but they kept it a secret

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Hello /misc/, are you also mad that once Israel withdrew about 2/3 of their soldiers from Gaza several months ago there was no new mass confirmation of dead?
              Im sure the families of all the gazillion dead who saw everyone on their son's unit coming home to rest for a bit decided to keep quiet about their son not returning and not getting any recognition

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >/pol/
                It's overrun by angry little israelitelets just like /k/
                Bad meme. Try again

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Why israelitelets? Isn't/pol/s enemy list basically everyone who isn't angry young white men, and even then only a portion of them? And some Vatniks I guess

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Despite the harsh urban environment of Gaza, how come we’ve seen so few Israeli casualties?

            Because the doctrine the idf is using seems schizo but makes sense if one look at conflicts like the lebanon war.

            Basically they take over an area kill the enemy defenders and then gtfo but leave the area close.

            Then they demolish everything in the supply lines to the few areas they remain.

            Basically they don't offer defensive combat to the enemy to prevent shit like trucks of peace

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Beirut_barracks_bombings

            of course this is a very schizo strategy long term and politically moronic.

            Yeah you are dismantling the enemy and fricking them raw, but you look like a schizo that takes over an entire city only to leave it, in the inside they call you a cuck and in the outside a lunatic that is destroying civilian infrastructure.

            The advantage is that you are fighting in an area with higher pop density than ww2 stalingrad and bakmuth and full of tunnels and you end with with barely 300 fallen soldiers after months of war.

            The disadvantage is that it's politically unsustainable long term and the goals outside of "cutting the grass" are shady at best sure hamas won't ape out for another 15 years after this, but you also have not removed yet.

            That is unless israel goes full siege mode and starts cutting gaza in sections to capture every hamas member.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >a lunatic that is destroying civilian infrastructure.
              I think people are more offended by all the civilians they are killing than the infrastructure they are destroying. When like 90% of the people you kill are civilians you end up not just looking like a schizo, you just show everyone you're a bunch of psychopaths who are actually worse than the people you are fighting, who are literal terrorists.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >you just show everyone you're a bunch of psychopaths who are actually worse than the people you are fighting, who are literal terrorists.

                Hamas killed 1143 people in a day, it's been 238 days since that by the same standard israel retalation should have killed 272k persons by now.

                They are avoiding civilian deaths more than most pro palis may think but they are completely destroying civilian infrastructure more pro israelis may think.

                Hamas leadership deserves the trotksy treatment of a pickaxe in the face the fact that they have refused negotiations in any serious level freeing the few morons still hostage means they are probably blackmailed by iran into doing this proxy war at the cost of their own people.

                >The disadvantage is that it's politically unsustainable long term
                Look I hate the israelites and I wouldn't blink an eye if Israel decided to turn the entirely of Gaza into a fertilized football field.

                Even if it's a jihadist shithole most people there have the age were this proxy war was put on them before they were born.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                please redeem the needful

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Hamas killed 1143 people in a day, it's been 238 days since that by the same standard israel retalation should have killed 272k
                I don't think that's how proportional retaliation works, even if reprisal attacks against civilians were sane. Isrealis have some seriously weird ideas about what is acceptable, like literally bronze age ethics. No wonder they hate Muslims so much, they're just like them.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >The disadvantage is that it's politically unsustainable long term
              Look I hate the israelites and I wouldn't blink an eye if Israel decided to turn the entirely of Gaza into a fertilized football field.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The vast majority of Westerners support Palestine and are celebrating the Hamas attacks, including 7 October. Nearly every European or American under the age of 30 is a Hamas supporter.

                I have been surprised by the amount of opposition to Israel among all sectors of the American and European populations. it seems very clear to me at this point that your ruling class truly didn't expect this level of outrage and lack of support for Israel.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                yeaaah no. get out of your bubble.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The vast majority of Westerners support Palestine and are celebrating the Hamas attacks, including 7 October. Nearly every European or American under the age of 30 is a Hamas supporter.
                Twitter isn't real life. The vast majority of westerners were disgusted by October 7th and polling reflects this.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What too much fart huffing inside a hugbox does to a mfer

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                lmao this copypasta

                Seriously moron i have not posted in this thread since yesterday, i hope they move this place to a shithole board with flags like pol so you can see how much of a moron you are.

                This site has done something to the head of some people like the morons screaming trannies non stop.

                Thinking you know who the anonymous poster on the other side of the screen is just by reading some lines of text is newbie 101, its classic newbie bullshit.

                >/pol/
                It's overrun by angry little israelitelets just like /k/
                Bad meme. Try again

                you prefer /leftypol/ then I presume.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Despite the harsh urban environment of Gaza, how come we’ve seen so few Israeli casualties?

            Because the doctrine the idf is using seems schizo but makes sense if one look at conflicts like the lebanon war.

            Basically they take over an area kill the enemy defenders and then gtfo but leave the area close.

            Then they demolish everything in the supply lines to the few areas they remain.

            Basically they don't offer defensive combat to the enemy to prevent shit like trucks of peace

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Beirut_barracks_bombings

            of course this is a very schizo strategy long term and politically moronic.

            Yeah you are dismantling the enemy and fricking them raw, but you look like a schizo that takes over an entire city only to leave it, in the inside they call you a cuck and in the outside a lunatic that is destroying civilian infrastructure.

            The advantage is that you are fighting in an area with higher pop density than ww2 stalingrad and bakmuth and full of tunnels and you end with with barely 300 fallen soldiers after months of war.

            The disadvantage is that it's politically unsustainable long term and the goals outside of "cutting the grass" are shady at best sure hamas won't ape out for another 15 years after this, but you also have not removed yet.

            That is unless israel goes full siege mode and starts cutting gaza in sections to capture every hamas member.

            Congrats, you won the most obvious samegay in the history of PrepHole
            I bet you are the Israeli who posts webms on PrepHole

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Take your meds schizo

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >most expected response ever
                Yeah it's you. You are embarrassing

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Seriously moron i have not posted in this thread since yesterday, i hope they move this place to a shithole board with flags like pol so you can see how much of a moron you are.

                This site has done something to the head of some people like the morons screaming trannies non stop.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              This post has convinced me Hamas is in fact strong and Gaza isn't a blown out crater.

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The Merkava was developed because Israel was blocked by the British from buying a custom version of the Chieftain. The Israelis built a giant checklist of how to make the Chieftain a better vehicle. The British already planned to offer an export version of the Chieftain with a Rolls Royce V12. The Israelis likely asked for the 1200hp Continental AVDS V12 from the M60 which they had already been dumping into British Centurions. The Canadians and Australians also briefly looked into a Chieftain with this engine but it was not pursued. Israel was also already looking at composite armor, like the British later developed. Given that the Israelis basically wanted the Chieftain in it's late Shir 2 derivative which later became the Challenger 1 we can conclude that the Merkava was developed along a similar conceptual design line but the Israelis liked the tall hull down M60 type tactics. The new Merkavas have since integrated all the new tech found on NATO tanks, German engines as well as domestic Israeli protection tech which is at parity and often better than mainline western stuff. Most likely they'd perform like heavier better armored Leopards with better optics, range, and protection but worse range, mobility and speed. So a true crapshoot dependent on the crew competence. They'd probably wreck anyone in the region easily but I've heard the UAE Leclerc crews are pretty great as are the Jordanians who are in the middle of swapping Challengers and M60s for Leclercs.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Challenger I is an upgraded Chieften
      moronic WoT player detected, opinion discarded.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The Challenger is literally an upgraded Chieftain you fricking moron. The Chieftain with upgraded armor and a reengineered rear end is the FV4030/3 and the Challenger 1 is the FV4030/4. It was originally a Chieftain upgrade developed for Iran but then the 79 Islamic ape out happened so that was cancelled and the British army bought into the program instead.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Entirely different welded hull based on the MBT-80
          >Completely different engine, transmission and suspension
          >completely different FCS and sighting system
          >New cast turret base purpose-made for external composite arrays

          Basically the only similarities between the Challenger 1 and late model Chieftains was the gun and some similarity in turret layout. Its an evolution of the design in so far as it was guided by the same philosophies taken to their natural conclusion, but it sure as frick isn't 'literally an upgraded Chieftain'. Its an entirely new tank by any reasonable stretch of the imagination.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It was literally an extensive upgrade of the Chieftain for Iran called the Shir 2. Late export versions of the Chieftain already had reworked hulls, the FCS and the Rolls Royce engine. Watch a fricking documentary instead of spouting out your ass you stupid homosexual.

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    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >he Jordanians who are in the middle of swapping Challengers and M60s for Leclercs.
      How does that work? Isn't the Leclerc factory closed down for the last 20 years and the French can't make them anymore?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Donated Emirati Leclercs

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why are SHEbrew sissies like this? Why so insecure about egypt?

      They want PEACE

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Aren't Merkavas minmaxed for urban warfare?
    I suppose the thicker roof armor might help a bit vs the lighter top-down munitions (such as drone drops) and the APS might prove useful too, but I can't imagine them faring too well vs M1s assuming equally competent crews.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Aren't Merkavas minmaxed for urban warfare?
      they were designed based on input from crews after yom kippur
      they were designed for crew survivability first and the ability to be manufactured with local industry second

      > but I can't imagine them faring too well vs M1s assuming equally competent crews.
      they have the same firepower and similiar FCS
      armored protection might favor the M1, but not really enough to matter

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I like it in War Thunder.

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >merkava dick sucker is also a tanksareobsolsolete moron

    Par for the course

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Depends on the crew, the support elements, and how prepared of a position the Merkava tank has relative to the enemy. Tank on tank? Crews the same? No outside interference from drones or artillery or whatever? They'd probably do fine.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Egyptian M1's are the definition of monkey models. Basically no armour and 105mm cannons.

    They were specifically designed to not pose a threat to israel, same story with Egyptian cucked F-16's that can't do BVR.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      > specifically designed to not pose a threat to israel
      Source? Maintaining israel edge focuses mainly on air force
      > Egyptian cucked F-16's that can't do BVR.
      They can do BVR. The problem is not allowing Egypt to acquire long range air to air missiles
      It has R-77 RVV-SD though considered the russian equivalent and janes lists Egypt among Meteor operators so perhaps it will come with the next Rafale order

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >source
        They use the original FMS spec armour which is mid 70's tech.
        >F-16's
        Egyptian F-16's aren't equipped with AIM-120's.
        They cannot fire Russian missiles as they use American radar which can't datashare/link with the missiles.
        Meteor's can't be integrated with F-16's either.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why are SHEbrew sissies like this? Why so insecure about egypt?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What Egypt has is the M1a1 version with a 120 mm gun. I didn't find sources on armor since it’s produced in Egypt
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_Abrams
      And a 1000+ upgraded to M1A2
      > M1A2 (Baseline): Production began in 1992 and initial operating capability achieved in 1993.[213] (77 built for the U.S. and more than 600 M1s upgraded to M1A2, 315 for Saudi Arabia, 1,005 for Egypt, 218 for Kuwait).

      >source
      They use the original FMS spec armour which is mid 70's tech.
      >F-16's
      Egyptian F-16's aren't equipped with AIM-120's.
      They cannot fire Russian missiles as they use American radar which can't datashare/link with the missiles.
      Meteor's can't be integrated with F-16's either.

      They have some MiG 29s and Rafales

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The Merkava design is not the most ideal for protection efficiency in a peer context, not because it was designed for COIN -it was designed after 1973- but simply because it Is older and the Israeli tank industry had limited means at the time.

    Never the less it has been heavily upgraded with all the latest advances in technology, in fact the Israeli fleet is more modernised than the majority of western tank forces.
    Features like APS, cutting edge optronics and data links are all just as relevant to peer combat as asymmetrical; I think a lot of people confuse the general stagnation in a lot of western armored forces as being some kind of peer optimisation.

    You see this weird conception that somehow the IDF is a super COIN optimised force, but really they have a very large armored force compared to the size of their country, alongside an active reservist system.
    This is something you typically see in frontline states like Poland, Ukraine, Finland, Greece, Turkey, South Korea that all need to be ready to fight large scale mechanised warfare at short notice.

    Judging by what a lot of European countries do, the way to COIN optimise your armoured force is to sell it!

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >tank do good against no tank or 50 year old tank
    Until Israel sends Merkava to Ukraine where it can fail just like Abrams or Leopard, we wont be able to accurately gage how good it is

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't see why it shouldn't perform as any other modern tank. Yeah, the front glacis is not as well armored as a Leclerc or an Abraham, but like the Leo2 that's doctrinal issue.

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Nightmare mode
    Merkava X reverse-engineered by aliens and used in the Lesser Andromeda Civill War

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Crew by moronic conscripts who have no combined arms experience outside of urban or large scale movements would result in the getting smashed in most wars.

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Its really hard to tell when there is no data available

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the Israeli tank force has about 1700 combat ready tanks, of which only 400 are merkava 4s. Egypt has approximately 1100 M1A1 Abrams. in a tank to tank warfare scenario, Egypt would whoop Israel, but this advantage is likely negated by Israels air force and America

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Egypt has approximately 1100 M1A1 Abrams
      merkava 4 and variants are closer to M1A2s and would have a major advantage
      the next most numerous variant, the merkava 3, is about equal to the M1A1 that egypt has
      between the two of they achieve parity to egyptian M1s in practice since they have a combined 1000 of them
      and the gap is only narrowing since 300 more merkava 4s are expected to be delivered

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Armor is good enough. Whats important in tank vs tank is that the merkava will see you before you see it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbA0-4Lk8G0

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    War Thunder isn’t reality. In a peer war tanks will die one-sidedly to lightweight top-attack ATGMs, mines, and a million other anti-tank threats. There won’t tank formations duking it out, nor will there be armored battalions charging across terrain smashing though fortifications, encircling and destroying the enemy. In a world of countless loitering threats, quickly and cheaply deployed mines, submunitions tanks can’t be anywhere near the line of contact. There’s no planet in which a tank survives when some 70-IQ slipper-wearing mobik can casually one-shot a 50-ton multi-million dollar vehicle using a 50-lbs missile system from 4km away. It’s literally, unironically over.

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >going up against arabs
    >fighting arabs
    >head to head against arabs
    They would do shockingly well against all of them and morons like you would claim that it's down to superior tanks.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You are in the process of a war against arabs without tanks (or anything else)
      + aid bills and free McDonalds meals

      9 months and counting

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >They would do shockingly well against all of them
      Well,
      >A column of 24 Merkava tanks from the 401st Brigade advanced westward from the area of Tayyiba and when it entered the wadi, it was attacked from all sides, including from the rear near Odaisseh that had been thought to have been under IDF control for several days. The Hizbullah had prepared an ambush from hidden positions on the hilltops. The tanks were attacked by missiles, probably of the Kornet type.[8] Eleven of the tanks were hit and several went up in flames.[49] Eight tankers, including two company commanders, and four Nahal infantry men died in the initial battle of Sulouqi.[50] Hizbullah fighters used ATGMs, small-arms fire, and mortars to suppress the Nahal Brigade, preventing them from providing effective infantry support for the armor forces.[51] Timur Göksel, the former chief spokesperson for UNIFIL later commented that "anyone dumb enough to push a tank column through Wadi Saluki should not be an armored brigade commander but a cook."

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        did you forget the last time egypt and israel fought in 1973?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          No. Did you?
          Israel's later success was due to air superiority when Egyptians left the air umbrella made by immobile anti air systems and tried to advance out its range

          > At the start of the war, U.S. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger believed that the better-equipped Israelis would secure victory within a few days,[138] and thus tried to delay a ceasefire in the United Nations Security Council. The counterattack on 8 October however, came against American expectations. Kissinger was taken aback when told of the extent of Israel's losses on the morning of 9 October by Israeli Ambassador Simcha Dinitz, and asked "Explain to me, how could 400 tanks be lost to the Egyptians?" Dinitz may have threatened Kissinger with the use of nuclear weapons against Egypt and Syria in order to underline the urgency of Israel's situation and push the U.S. into initiating an airlift to replace Israel's losses. Later that day Kissinger relayed U.S. President Richard Nixon's decision to initiate Operation Nickel Grass—which aimed to replace all of Israel's material losses—to Dinitz.[139][140][141]

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >No. Did you?
            even during armor on armor engagements, egyptian T-62s were getting demolished by israeli centurions and M60s

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >50 years ago
          >vs 2006
          I wonder which engagement is more indicative of current IDF and Merkava IV capabilities.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >israelis have had massive armor supremacy over the egyptians the last 4 times they met
            >the fifth time will be different even though the israelis are much better equipped, much more modern while egyptians have only gotten poorer and lost their only backer, the USSR

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Seeing how the warfare has changed since Ukraine, Egypt would be better off building a drone factory or buying off Iran.

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