memorandum of understanding signed for MGCS

there will be a joint company composed of KNDS Germany (ex-KMW), KNDS France (ex-Nexter), Rheinmetall and Thales
project will be divided into 8 pillars:

>chassis and automated navigation - German-lead
>cannon, turret and ammo - Franco-German lead
>secondary armament with e.g. guided missiles - French-lead
>communications and battle management system - Franco-German lead
>simulator environment - Franco-German lead
>sensors - French-lead
>protection and drone defense - German-lead
>support and logistical infrastructure - Franco-German lead

for the cannon both the French 140mm and German 130mm are to be tested and then one is to be decided on after evaluations

motor will be a diesel-electric hybrid, quiet electric motor may be used to approach the combat zone undected

crew will be 2-3 located in the hull, turret will be unmanned

other allies may join the project, Poland and Italy have been mentioned

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    K2 black panther is better.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      ...In my frenzied gacha slurping delusions.
      Also the MGCS is supposed to be fully modular so it's probably not going to be fully comparable to a modern tank in its role anyway.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >fully modular
        So it'll be shit.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >frenzied gacha slurping delusions
        >probably not going to be fully comparable to a modern tank
        Non-answer, but good on you for blindly talking shit!

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >something about germany
      >asiatic pavel troony online shill appears

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >type korean weapons
        >wehrboos start chimping out
        Like clockwork...

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The K2 is a bad copy of the Leclerc and absolutely nothing else.

      The Leclerc is the F-22 of tanks. Designed in the 1980's, copied today by brown and yellow people who claim they just invented hot water.
      Truly pathetic.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'm not a particular LeClerc fan but it looks like a good design.
        Shame we may never see it fight.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Shame we may never see it fight.
          didn't it serve in UAE or UN peace keeping missions? i remember seing white painted + UN logo on leclercs long time ago

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >turret will be unmanned
    It's going to be shit. Unmanned turrets never work.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Untrue, the BTR4 has an unmanned turret and does very well.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Aren't these things basically extinct now? Can't remember the last time I saw one

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          They were essentially all present in Kherson/Mariupol front and got captured/destroyed.

          There weren't many to begin with.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Can someone explain to me, why the frogs get like 50% of the industrial share in the MGCS project and 100% in FCAS?
    Seriously, how can anyone start a project with these Black folk?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Once they've gotten enough IP from Germany they'll leave the project and build their own anyway.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        More like the opposite, Germany wish they could get French IP then go solo, sell stuff to "beat the French" then end up buying US anyway because it's evil to sell weapons that might be used so their industries can't fund themselves.
        At least German IP in France hands would be in safe hands.

        Frankly, all this Germany vs France shit is stupid, the two work countries work very well together and there's definitely propanda campaign to try to derail that.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      > and 100% in FCAS?
      That's plain wrong.
      Also trying to put an equivalence between those two project is especially plain wrong. They're not remotely of the same scale.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      France is to Germany in military equipment what USA is to Russia.
      Germany is in SCAF juat because of the money, nothing else.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        least delusionally arrogant frog

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Je viens de Croatie, mon ami.
          France is the superior in both of those projects, especially SCAF.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Croat
            go jerk off to your Rafales and shut the frick up. Just because your country can't produce shit doesn't mean that's the case for others too.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >no arguments
              I actually dislike our purchase of fighter jets because we don't need them and our corrupt government sure got their money's worth during the election campaign.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                you didn't put forth any arguments either, you made a moronic claim and that's it. Frick off now, this thread isn't your moron blog.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I need to point our reality?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                British Eurofighters (which actually got upgraded) are and have been performing perfectly fine over Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Libya, etc.
                This thread is about tanks though, so please shut the frick up, thank you.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Performing perfectly fine except in sales.
                Yes, this thread is about tanks.
                Unfortunately LeClerc is untested compared to failure of the Leo 2.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah Leo 2 is such a failure that it's still getting new customers like Norway, Italy and Lithuania. Who are you again? Some jobless Croatian moron?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Lack of competition in the European market was a boon to it but any time it saw a deployment to a war zone ... yeah
                >the danes are just moronic and don't know how to use it
                >the turks are just moronic and don't know how to use it
                >the ukrainians are just moronic and don't know how to use it

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >losses in war = bad piece of equipment

                you're so moronic it hurts

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                When your losses are from goatfrickers, yes.

                Same shit

                lol

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                yeah sure, a Leclerc parked on a hilltop would've survived the ATGM attack no problem. Please be quiet now, this site is 18+.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Idk mate, this isn't a competition ... for me, that is.
                All I am doing is pointing out is that the French MIC is superior to the German MIC, which is an objective reality when you simply compare the size of each.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                the only objective reality here is that you're an annoying homosexual. The French MIC is overall superior, because it has advantages in important fields, yes. This does NOT translate to all fields, especially not the ones discussed ITT, i.e. tanks.
                so PLEASE, finally shut the frick up now.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >especially not the ones discussed ITT, i.e. tanks
                You act like I opened the discussion on jets (

                Can someone explain to me, why the frogs get like 50% of the industrial share in the MGCS project and 100% in FCAS?
                Seriously, how can anyone start a project with these Black folk?

                ).
                >This does NOT translate to all fields
                Idk, looks to me like they got everything that separates the tank from a moving block of iron.

                But whatever, you people instantly go feral when France is mentioned so you are boring me.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                nice projection, moron. I didn't mention the fighter either. Keep shilling the french, maybe senpai notices you and sells you another used Rafale for double the price they're worth.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                textbook seething

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Love this webm

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No ATGMs in that video you dumbfrick.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >>the danes are just moronic and don't know how to use it
                You mean the one that drove over an IED?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Leclerc is shit compared to the Leo and Abrams

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                in other words able to fly around over Turd World airspace, for the most part.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The Français does not jerk off to his Rafale.
              Let me tell you the reality:
              He jerks off to his Rafale as he deepthroat fellates the Rafale fuel probe.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Je viens de Croatie, mon ami.
        France is the superior in both of those projects, especially SCAF.

        kek, nice try.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This.
        As much as I want Germany in charge of ground vehicles.
        France make the best aircraft and missiles.

        If german could get over their
        "we'll never ever work with our frog rival" & "let's sell our industries and country to the US" mentality.
        + other respectable partner Italia, Spain...etc
        Europe would be producing weapons vastly superior to the US and in reasonable quantities.

        Germany spent too long believing that if there's ever a war they could just buy the stuff they need from a NATO country.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Which aircraft would that be?

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The NGAD of the ground.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      NGED

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's over Poorlack and Kpop sisters.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's going to take 20 years.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        We're in a new cold war so I'll be putting it on 10.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >360° situational awareness
      >Radar-IR/EO sensors
      >APS
      >C4I
      >Hybrid drive
      These are all still available right now except for a few buzzwords like Laser or HPEM.

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >other allies may join the project
    >Poland
    It's actually pretty based that they reach out their hand to poland even after all the PIS(S) bullshit.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Are you the same krautistan account on twitter that's blaming everything for PIS's fault?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No, but I wish I was.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Post your passport.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      No one but kraut tourists call pis' weapon procurement program a flop.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >It's actually pretty based that they reach out their hand to poland even after all the PIS(S) bullshit.
      That's literally the GERMs wet dream to block the K2PL program and its factory in Poland.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >p-please come back! I will give you another chance!! Just wait 10 more years...
      Lol, no.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Mixed feelings about new MBTs. Looking at Ukraine, drones are the new meta.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the existence of drones doesn't mean heavy armor and direct fire isn't needed anymore. Also there are countermeasures to drones and ATGMs.

      >for the cannon both the French 140mm and German 130mm
      isnt NATO standard 120mm? why would this tank be different

      because it's a new generation of tank and 120mm won't be adequate forever.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Congratulations, you're a midwit!

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      retvrn to casemate super heavy tanks

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >for the cannon both the French 140mm and German 130mm
    isnt NATO standard 120mm? why would this tank be different

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      We have to come up with new standards at some point when armor evolves.

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Does this memorandum established what type of turtle armor MGCS would have?

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >MGCS
    >Metal Gear Combat System
    finally developing a Metal Gear?

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I can't wait for France to leave the project when they don't win the competition for one subsystem

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Baguette here, we will not leave the project, Krauts are too credibles in the ground vehicles fields and Nexter is now pretty much merged with KMS, good luck pulling it out of that.
      BUT we will make a crazy and hysterical fit if our canon lose the competition, that's for sure. The shitfest will tear appart the UE fondations.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Does 140mm offer some gigantic leap in options over 130mm, or is this some classic, "Bien, NOTRE cannon est 10 millimètres en PLUS!"

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          140mm charges have a significant uplift in pressure.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        KMW and Nexter just got a common logo, they're still functionally separate and could easily be divided up again.

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    That's nice, nobody will buy that multinational frankenstein shit, when we retake power in germany we'll order the Panther.

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I hate the frogs so much, it's unreal. I want them to fricking leave the project and fail hard on their leclerc 2 shit.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      A nu lapana ca se prosua ahaha su zabari u so bi sa nama?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Speak english you fricking pajeet frog

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It is Dalmatian Croatian you absolute moron.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Same shit

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Usually french german cooperation is quite good, looking at missile systems and the whole of Airbus which keeps BTFO'ing Boeing. But I hate the Dassault CEO, that homosexual is so arrogant you would think he developed the F-22 and not a jet that's like 3rd or 4th on the market

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >you would think he developed the F-22
      The F-22 is grossly overrated and unsuited for modern war, it's being retrofitted right now with L16 to share data.
      The F-35 would have been decent without Lockjshill bribery if it never had the VTOL shit, the design would have been 200% cheaper, stealthier, more maneuverable & UK should spend money into catapult like every proper country.

      Rafale is a very good plane and very cost-efficient despite the US economic war to kill industries of countries challenging the US.
      In comparison Eurofighter is real delusion of grandeur from countries who didn't want to accept that France know his stuff.

      France is perfectly willing to let Germany lead ground vehicle because they. are. good. at. that.
      France is better at aircraft, naval design, missiles, and their radar tech can't be ignored. Germany are the one too arrogant to admit that fact.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >France is better at aircraft,
        doubt
        >naval design,
        ok I give them that
        >missiles,
        doubt
        >and their radar tech can't be ignored.
        yes it can

        • 4 weeks ago
          sage

          Germany has zero experience in aeronautics post-WW2, their industry's biggest achievement was freeloading the Eurofighter program (which they tried to kill over politics lol)
          Same for missiles, MBDA's greatest products were developed in France, Britain and/or Italy

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Tragic that your father ever got a woman pregnant...

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              NTA
              >number built 2
              >cancelled in 1968
              That was half a century ago, mate.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Anon moronicly said no aero experience post WW2

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >F-104 airframe
              >Rolls Royce engines
              >Honeywell Avionics

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        the US would still need F-35B's for their amphibious assault ships

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          They really didn't, they, unlike other, aren't lacking in CATOBAR carrier which is the only real reason to use VTOL.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You can never have too many carriers. It also gives them flexibility, not every mission requires a super carrier.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Not every carrier is a super carrier and assault ship should be reserving that room for more heli. The range and payload of STOVL is shit. I would rather give them drones who can take off just fine from their deck.
              Actually that's probably the future, assault carrier as drone-ships.

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What happens if the commander of the system is killed / the commando platform destroyed?

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The IFV/drone carrier version is going to look so kino, can't wait to see the demonstrators.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      We are going full C&C.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >hyperschall lenkflugkörper
      might be cool
      https://breakingdefense.com/2023/11/new-uses-new-propellants-mbda-germany-on-the-future-of-hypersonics/

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >using hypersonic anti-tank missiles
        >against eastern primitive tanks that get knocked out with a nade strapped to a DIY drone
        Sure, I guess if you want to bankrupt yourself.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Cry more poorgay

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No eastern state has a hard kill APS, why would you do this?
            Even Akeron is an overkill for anything Eastern.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              because it's better to outclass your enemy than to fight on even footing

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Idk, doesn't make sense to me to spend millions on destroying a russia shitbox that doesn't even have a working loader.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                people like you underestimating Russia is the reason why Ukraine's frontline is currently getting broken

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The reasons why Ukrainians are letting Russians gain few villages will not help them against the most powerful militaries in human history.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                do you think the US got the most powerful military by never innovating?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What a non-sequitor.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Anon you do realize russia has air superiority right now and there is no defense against the FAB glide bombs right? No amount of ground equipment is going to counter that. The russian's current goal isnt to gain a ton of terrirory in a short time but is to instead wear down the ukranians and break their will, which they are doing quite effectively right now

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >you do realize
                Bro
                Bud
                Bruh
                Buddy
                My guy
                My man
                My dude
                You DO realize...

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >muh second army in the world making WW1 tier slow gains against the poorest country in Europe using some 30y old hand me downs means NATO armies should be worried

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >future
          >everyone learned from the Ukraine war and have cheap anti-drone equipment
          >you are the only one with hypersonic anti-tank missiles
          >win
          Guess you prepared for the last war.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Sporting a three-piece suit and pocket watch, Zimper presented hypersonic missiles as the “future of deep strike,” but also highlighted some interesting potential new uses for hypersonic missiles — in particular, a surprisingly short-range one: anti-armor.
        Kek is this guy a living evil German stereotype?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Designs look cool.
      Hope NEXTER gets the 140mm contract so it actually fricks shit up as good as it looks.

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    useless without shells

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    DESU, I actually hope the overall design of the French proposal wins out. Their design is actually more future proof and forward oriented than what the Germans have been proposing. The French are looking for something that can be re-turreted at the field level and would launch with basically a MBT, AA/firesupport and missile destroyer variants. The Germans basically just wanted "Leopard 2 but 150% more betterer". This is largely because the Bundeswehr and German government literally thought that the end of the Cold War was the end of European military history so there was not a need to develop any further. The French just kept chugging along with new projects. Interestingly it does seem like the French are now more interested in the German 35mm gun instead of the French 40mm gun for the AA/Fire support variant.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The Ascalon 140mm gun is also proper fricking cool

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/qO2nwkW.jpeg

      The Ascalon 140mm gun is also proper fricking cool

      This thing is so fricking ugly holy shit. Good thing the French are not Project lead.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/qO2nwkW.jpeg

      The Ascalon 140mm gun is also proper fricking cool

      >frogs in charge of making tanks
      No thanks

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        [...]
        This thing is so fricking ugly holy shit. Good thing the French are not Project lead.

        https://i.imgur.com/qO2nwkW.jpeg

        The Ascalon 140mm gun is also proper fricking cool

        https://i.imgur.com/Era20Q1.jpeg

        [...]
        DESU, I actually hope the overall design of the French proposal wins out. Their design is actually more future proof and forward oriented than what the Germans have been proposing. The French are looking for something that can be re-turreted at the field level and would launch with basically a MBT, AA/firesupport and missile destroyer variants. The Germans basically just wanted "Leopard 2 but 150% more betterer". This is largely because the Bundeswehr and German government literally thought that the end of the Cold War was the end of European military history so there was not a need to develop any further. The French just kept chugging along with new projects. Interestingly it does seem like the French are now more interested in the German 35mm gun instead of the French 40mm gun for the AA/Fire support variant.

        The Leclerc outperformed other western tanks in Yemen.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Well anon apparently the Germans now want a lighter tank just like the French asked so maybe your wish will come true. Or maybe they just went the KF-51 route.
      Never heard about 35mm Oerlikon being favored in France though. The big deal of the moment is fixing the CTA40 for good or going with much smaller 30x113 turrets based off the Narwhal 30 with the same gun that is used by the EC665 Tiger, the 30M781.

      [...]
      This thing is so fricking ugly holy shit. Good thing the French are not Project lead.

      Simple artist's view. The EMBT prototype looked like picrel.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/qO2nwkW.jpeg

      The Ascalon 140mm gun is also proper fricking cool

      https://i.imgur.com/Byk7eqS.jpeg

      Well anon apparently the Germans now want a lighter tank just like the French asked so maybe your wish will come true. Or maybe they just went the KF-51 route.
      Never heard about 35mm Oerlikon being favored in France though. The big deal of the moment is fixing the CTA40 for good or going with much smaller 30x113 turrets based off the Narwhal 30 with the same gun that is used by the EC665 Tiger, the 30M781.
      [...]
      Simple artist's view. The EMBT prototype looked like picrel.

      Picrel shows big boom 140mm rounds mogging 120mm.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Other angle
        >you
        >the guys she tells you not to worry about
        >LUL

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/CETfFc8.jpeg

        Other angle
        >you
        >the guys she tells you not to worry about
        >LUL

        I'm wondering if 140mm shell would give longer range without making it harder to build the cannon?
        Idea being to increase artillery range without needing cannon that require more maintenance.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Not really. Well, it could be, but only to a certain extent. That's why Nexter revived its Polynege NLOS ammo program but in 140mm in order to go farther than the 8km previously envisioned for this round.
          But you're not going to replace 155mm arty or even 120 mortars with a smooth bore tank gun in terms of sustained firing rate and barrel longevity.
          However being able to lob big high explosive shells 10km away from time to time is definitely on the table. Which is why the larger the caliber, the better.
          You have to look at the tank gun as a multitool working primarily as a pair of pliers.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >hand me my big wadcutters
        >no, the BIG wadcutters

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's a VATcutter anon.
          It's for mowing vatniks.

  19. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    should just bump it to 155mm. Fast darts are least used, for lots of reasons, but I guess a 155mm could shoot one OK.

    I'm thinking top attack 155mm HE that explodes as it passes over a MBT roof more effective and dual use and effective against very dug in MBT. Probably effective even without "killing" enemy tank and crew, if it just disables engine, aiming, tracks or rings crew's bells real hard.

    Has a joint venture with major piece of hardware with Frogs ever panned out? Don't the Frogs ALWAYS get all prissy and quit?

    But main thing is you want to be artillery, and hit them before they can hit you, and all sorts of fancy 155mm shells. Two types of objects on the battlefield: Artillery and Targets.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That would be extremely expensive and not that practical.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Has a joint venture with major piece of hardware with Frogs ever panned out? >Don't the Frogs ALWAYS get all prissy and quit?
      Name 3.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        [...]

        Eurofighter Typhoon
        PARS 3 LR
        Boxer

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Tiger
          A400M
          Alphajet
          Jaguar
          C160
          NH90
          Horizon
          FREMM
          ...

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Eurofighter Typhoon
            Created a superior product.
            >PARS 3 LR
            Created a superior product.
            >Boxer
            I'll give them that, VBCI is underwhelming in general reception.
            But the Boxer, because the French left, has an inferior armament to the CT40.

            >name three projects the French quit
            >names three projects
            >REEEEEE
            kek

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Damn you killed them

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Eurofighter Typhoon
          Created a superior product.
          >PARS 3 LR
          Created a superior product.
          >Boxer
          I'll give them that, VBCI is underwhelming in general reception.
          But the Boxer, because the French left, has an inferior armament to the CT40.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Amx-30

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Sorry, not getting your point.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Also a project that started as a franco-german cooperation. Ended up giving us the AMX 30 and Leo1, which i see as a net positive

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Don't the Frogs ALWAYS get all prissy and quit?

      [...]
      Eurofighter Typhoon
      PARS 3 LR
      Boxer

      >Eurofighter Typhoon
      France NEEDED a fighter who can operate from Aircraft-Carrier and perform air-sol combat.
      Germany was all, "noooo! it's only for air defense! And don't you dare ever sell that weapon!"
      The Rafale is superior in every aspect.

      >PARS 3 LR
      UK left first, and it's now an old missiles only used on one platform the German don't want anymore.
      The sane idea was to drop it and make a modern missile meant to be used on as many platform as possible.

      >Boxer
      Won't disagree on that one, but I suspect it was a political case of Germany wanting total control.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Won't disagree on that one, but I suspect it was a political case of Germany wanting total control.
        nice projection. France left because their inferior proposal (VBCI) wasn't chosen by the consortium.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Not sure what was going on when they chose the VBCI but I hope they retrofit them with the CT40 and Akerons, making it a superior to most other IFVs

  20. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >There are French Leclerc stationed in Romania ready to enter Ukraine if the situation gets too bad.
    >muh intervention
    Everyone knows this is nothing more than a PR movement for himself. There will not be a direct intervention unless Poland gets annexed.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Lol moron.
      Glad France made ziggers seethe so much as of late.

  21. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >greentext is standard single sentence line spacing
    >following text is double sentence line spacing
    Illiterate moron.

  22. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Oh no another project that will be canceled

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Has a joint venture with major piece of hardware with Frogs ever panned out? >Don't the Frogs ALWAYS get all prissy and quit?
      Name 3.

  23. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I bet K3 and AbramsX will be in service years before this.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >K3
      Who cares?
      >AbramsX
      Not an actual thing.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Both will be already outdated

  24. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >spend billions on a program to develop something that gets blown up by a $100 russian drone
    kek

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Can you name a 100$ Russian drone, baiter-kun?

      >France is better at aircraft,
      doubt
      >naval design,
      ok I give them that
      >missiles,
      doubt
      >and their radar tech can't be ignored.
      yes it can

      >doubt
      Bro, Germany would have no aircraft industry if not for Airbus.
      >doubt
      Mate, stop.
      Almost all of MBDAs rocketry is done by MBDA France and the French have more domestic missile systems than Germany does.

  25. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I like to pretend MGCS stand for Metal Gear Combat System.
    And there's nothing you can do to stop me.

  26. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So what missile for the MGCS?

    With France at the helm that got to be MMP.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I belive MBDA is working on a hypersonic AT missile.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They say anti-tank but that can't be a small missile.
        https://breakingdefense.com/2023/11/new-uses-new-propellants-mbda-germany-on-the-future-of-hypersonics/

        Also
        https://www.mbda-systems.com/press-releases/aquila-mbda-to-lead-consortium-for-european-interceptor-against-hypersonic-threats/

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It would be mounted on a dedicated ATGM vehicle, so they could be bigger than your average "secondary weapon" ATGM. See

          https://i.imgur.com/j8d5Z5z.png

          The IFV/drone carrier version is going to look so kino, can't wait to see the demonstrators.

  27. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >Never say never. There are French Leclerc stationed in Romania ready to enter Ukraine if the situation gets too bad. Macron may be a cuck but he has been filmed saying he would 'have to send troops in Odessa during the current year'.
    He raised the possibility of Leclercs (with at least 184 of them in French storage) being supplied to the Ukrainians; shame that was back in January 2023 when chief western powers were still playing hot potato on who should send MBTs to Ukraine first: https://news.yahoo.com/macron-does-not-rule-supply-181812094.html?

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