Medium Range Optic Posted on March 4, 2023 by PrepHole Contributor Poorfag here What's the best value medium range optic? Anything from 2-4x.
Whichever flavor primary arms prism you like and happens to be on sale
Primary arms prism scopes for beat value, Anything else is a risk more than buying primary arms
Ohhh that's a great idea actually
The Primary Arms Glx 2x prism. It's basically a more affordable micro ACOG, and the Glx scopes have better glass than the Slx line.
Swarovski z8i 1-8x
Swarovski z8i 1.7-13x
Schmidt & Bender Exos 1-8x
Primary Arms SLX 3x is fantastic for the money.
I'm sure the ACOG is better but it's not THAT much better, especially when you look at the price differences. I also don't consider Primary Arms prisms to be poorfag options. I just don't see it that way.
PA SLX isn't even in the same game as the ACOG. It's fine and will get the job done if you're poor but the ACOG is far beyond in quality.
I'm going to draw you a graph of where I like to where I generally like to buy things, pic related.
You see, I like to buy stuff where the Gold Star is. Poors buy low quality shit and get ripped off. Fools and team/government funded people buy stuff far into the diminishing returns. You think it's a flex. I think it's just, whatever.
Once you're into diminishing returns the quality doesn't really improve drastically. So, sorry but you're just wrong. It is better. Yes, the ACOG is better but it's not that much better.
If your goal is to be at the gold star your only option is to wait for the GLX line of prisms from PA. I have an SLX and it's simply not even a fraction of the quality of an ACOG.
I have the GLX and the SLX. I like the SLX better I think. It's hard to say but when you ad in the fact that the GLX costs a little more, the SLX is definitely the better choice.
The SLX brightness choices alone are why I can't recommend buying one unless you are truly destitute.
See, it's a knob you can turn either direction which is what I prefer. Compared to the ACOG which is permanently so overly bright that people resort to duct tape. It's one of the reasons I chose not to spend the money on one.
They're also both etched reticles. I don't understand why people want them so bright. I don't even bother turning on the illumination most of the time. There's just no reason unless it's dark or a dark background and if that's the case you don't want it blindlingly bright. So, yeah I guess I just disagree with the world on that one.
Fiber optic was awesome when battery life was measured in hours not years. Its still awesome, because I have crippling battery anxiety.
I am using the LED ACOG which is shown in my picture and the brightness settings are fine.
Okay fair enough but people in general will talk about illuminated reticles being "day time bright" or say something doesn't illuminate bright enough to glow in the midday sun. I don't get it. There's absolutely no reason to worry about that.
You are in bright area, looking into not bright area (room). Many such cases.
I guess I just need to try it with some different brightness settings. Understand a dark background being a problem but I don't think it would take much illumination to overcome it, certainly not as much as the fiber opitc on the ACOG gives.
The PA SLX is not daylight bright. It is not even close. The ACOG is. This alone will always make me recommend saving up for an ACOG.
...and I still maintain that "daylight bright" makes sense for red dots but not for etched reticles.
This is your brain on dumb.
Why would I need an etched reticle to be daylight bright?
I have both and would prefer the GLx if I had to fight with one, the useable eyebox and clarity is way more forgiving. The SLx feels great on a carbine if I'm just hiking, and either is a good choice for rec use.
Acogs not having an adjustable diopter, often look like unfixable shit compared to a cheap primary arms prism. Why spend a grand (800 whatever) on a prism thats gonna be fucking blurry?
Cog is king but the pa 3x is alright if you’re strapped. Really pro move is used with dead trit that you get replaced from triji
Confirmed for having never looked through a cog
>Really pro move is used with dead trit that you get replaced from triji
I've heard that costs as much as a new optic.
You've heard wrong, my tritium replacement was $149 a couple years back. I'm sure its probably a bit more now but not $800.
Good to know, thanks.
Trit is a meme. Fiber optic is the good shit, or the battery powered ones.
The fact that you refer to them as "cogs" is enough to disregard everything you have to say.
wear your glasses retard
>on a prism thats gonna be fucking blurry
yeah, at things 5 feet away.
I'm convinced the one singular retard on this board who spams this looked through an ACOG once at his LGS and tried to focus on something one foot from the lens.
it took me SO LONG to learn to focus on the reticle at varying distances automatically, and I have noticed the ACOG NO DIOPTER guy too. I assumed astigmatism but you may be on to something.
I don't know man. I've posted that I looked through the ACOGS at the LGS but I thought they were super crisp. I have to give them credit on the glass. However, when I told the guy I was concerned they were so bright that people had to use duct tape on them, he told me to take it outside in the parking lot and look around. So I did. It wasn't even sunny out and that was so bright that it left sun spots on my retina, so blindingly bright that it was hard to look past it to a target. I mean like wtf? I can't imagine trying to pull that thing out on an actually sunny day. A black dark etched reticle is fine. Oh it's night or the background is black? Turn it one click counterclockwise and it's lit up just fine.
I mean, this isn't a PrepHole thing even. I've seen a ton of youtube reviews bitching about various prisms not being daytime bright. First, the SLx 3X and GLX 2x are fine. I have those and can attest to it but even if they weren't "daylight bright" I wouldn't care. An illuminated reticle is just nice to have in case of low light situations. I don't give a fuck if people think that you can pick up a super bright illuminated reticle 1/100th of a second faster. I'm not even sure that's true.
just put duct tape over the fiber optic.
I refuse to pay $1,000 for an optic that I have to use duct tape on out of the box. That's the point.
Alternative is it not getting bright enough dumbass.
It's almost like the reticle is etched for a reason...
Cool now aim at a thing in a black room.
It's almost like a black room is darker than daylight...
>There are no dark targets outside
>those targets are darker than daylight
>t. doesnt own any of the things he's talking about and recommending
The only actual recommendation in that entire post is the Primary Arms SLx 3x. The picture is there to highlight the existence of a broader range of price points than just Primary Arms to ACOG. ACOG is nowhere near the most expensive optic and that NightForce, as I understand it, is the current choice of a lot of Special Forces guys. The point being that if you're strutting around with your ACOG like you got the biggest baddest most expensive optic, too bad so sad, no you didn't. Calling someone that got an SLx poor because you have an ACOG is not different than calling someone with an ACOG poor because they don't have the NightForce. In terms of actual arbitrary price spectrum neither the ACOG nor the Primary Arms exist on the extreme ends of the spectrum. There are many things multiple times cheaper than the Primary Arms and many things multiple times more expensive than the ACOG. The fact that you didn't comprehend that message from the post is statement more about yourself than it is that post.
jeez, i've seen people get mad and offended that they dont own any guns or gear but this takes the cake lol
This board has gone to shit and it's mostly because of cancer like you. You are a net negative to the people around you. You're influence on the world is a negative number. If you had absolutely no value it would be more value than the value you have. There is no wit in your insults. There is no cleverness to your trolls. I cannot even fathom how joylessly detestable your life must be that you find this behavior some temporary reprieve from it. I would feel sad for you if I felt anything at all but I don't because you are nothing aside from a minor annoyance.
top kek, let the buttmad flow through you, gunless teenager
ACOG is love. ACOG is life.
Yeah nah anon, I do have the optic you think is the biggest baddest and most expensive. In fact I've got multiple of them, I've got enough Nightforces to just have a spare ATACR sitting in a box in case I want to use it. ACOG remains my choice.
I hope you're enjoying your time in a poorfag thread
I am thanks. OP should get the PA 3x microprism and call it a day btw, it's an impossible to beat value
>I can't imagine trying to pull that thing out on an actually sunny day.
Idk I do it all the time, middle of summer no big deal. Get stronger eyes I guess.
>I've seen a ton of youtube reviews bitching about various prisms not being daytime bright.
Frankly I agree with you. Most people would be fine even with a completely non-illuminated reticle. On FFP LPVOs it matters because the reticle is basically a red dot on 1x, to pick it up it needs some brightness. For other magnified optics illumination matters for getting contrast on a dark background. Even weak illumination will do that job.
Can poorfags not understand the ACOG and ATACR have very different use cases and merits? Its not an RPG tech tree where one is objectively better. IMO LPVOs are a heavy meme, if you want a variable just go 2-10/12.
>Can poorfags not understand the ACOG and ATACR have very different use cases and merits?
They probably can, maybe, but anon was clearly just lashing out and trying to make the other guy feel poor too.
4-16 is where it's at
Need a 1x option with the 4-16 if you need it for general purpose use.
acog if u can afford, pa prism if u cannot
1.5x acog. Light and small. 1.5x is plenty for 300m in. Regardless if you are shooting a human in 99% of circumstances when it’s a longer shot than 10m it’s probably murder so
Objectively worse than the GLC 2x from PA
Used/display model ACOG TA01/11/33
PA prism if poor, both are fine. ACOG mo better.
Leopold has lpvos for ~400.
Primary arms 3x prism, the new mini one. You can get them for 250 on the reg from like steelcity arsenal or a few other vendors. Adjustable diopter is nice. The many mounts that it comes with and the modularity are nice too. Truly money well spent compared to say getting a sig msr and 3x shit magnifier or something.
Trijicon credo 1-6, steiner px4i the one with the goofy reticle is usually in the 400 dollar range.
ACOG is the undisputed champ, but PA's prism lineup is roughly 80% as much scope for usually a third the price
6x and lower is mid range tbh. D-EVO is cool if you have 556
Honestly if it wasn't paired with such a shit red dot I'd be super interested
>here's a dogshit discontinued 6x optic with no magnification that is priced insanely and completely unavailable anyway
>also a dogshit discontinued red dot that is also massively overpriced and similarly unavailable
great picks anon but we're talking about things that are good, not abjectly terrible.
'cog on the 'log
For a cheaper option you are going to want to go with a Prism for durability, simplicity and glass quality. LPVO's really don't start getting good until the $600ish range (1-6 Viper).
trawl ebay for used acogs
TA44 or Aimpoint Pro? It’s gonna be carry handle mounted on an A2 retro build and I’m an astigmatism fag. I know I could get 2 Aimpoint for the price of the ACOG, but is it really that great to save up my wageslaving checks?
i bought one because i keep finding acogs for hilarious prices on ebay. its pretty cool and definitely has that 'cold war era fixed scope' vibe but i don't know if its worth 900 dollars.
Yeah, they look neat to me. No batteries is a plus too.
I heard eye relief is better on the lower power ones. Didn’t even think of this to be honest, that alone might make me cope with the Aimpoint with my shit eyes,
the eye relief on the TA44 is pretty long. you could put it all the way at the end of your flat top and it would still be usable.
Sorry to keep bugging you, it’s just a lot of money to a poorfag like me. Any hands on with a TA44 vs TA45? I can like see the obvious but would one be better than the other for my particular application?
if you just have a mild stigmatism i would probably take the T-2 but if you can snag a TA44 cheap on ebay i think its worth it.
My astigmatism is actually incredibly bad. Bought my dad an Aimpoint Pro for Father’s Day 2 years ago and could hardly use it. I could use it to maybe 100 yards and that’s it.
Thank you very much.
if you wanna go the cheaper route, the primary arms 1x microprism is pretty good. it also can be carry-handle mounted though it isn't fiber optic. stay away from the vortex prisms if you want fine adjustment.
>stay away from the vortex prisms if you want fine adjustment.
I think people worry about this too much. Think of it this way. If you have 1 moa adjustment. Someone out there assumes it could be off by as much as 1 moa. That's not true. The absolute most it can be off by is halfway between the 2 adjustment points or 1/2 moa. However, that's the most error that's possible. Just as likely it will be spot on and more probably somewhere in the middle. So if you buy a Vortex prism with 1 moa adjustments you're probably going to be able to sight it in to within about 1/4 moa accuracy. Nobody is shooting through their budget prism scope with that degree of accuracy. Most people don't even have guns and ammo capable of grouping that.
ok but its the current year and everyone else has 1/2 moa clicks. vortex just refuses to get with the times.
Fair enough and it probably don't translate into any benefit to the shooter. I mean if it meant more definitive tactile clicks less likely to go out of zero or get bumped, I'd actually rather have the 1 moa adjustment. Sadly for them I don't believe it does. Vortex is a great company though. I bought a product from Cabela's and e-mailed them. Told them I didn't like and didn't trust it. They said to e-mail them a photo of the receipt and mail then the optic for a refund. I did and they mailed me a check. This was a month after I bought it from a 3rd party. So, didn't love that optic but Vortex is alright to buy from.
To be fair, the 1x slx from PA is 1moa adjustments, unless they recently released a newer generation..
Yeah, have one on a VEPR12. More than accurate enough, and that big circle is awesome.
If you really wanna need out on all the ins and outs of acogs, deltathirtyfour on youtube
>carry handle mounted
>nose to charging handle
The eyebox and eye relief might be a bit fucky
Primary arms 3x microprism with ACSS is really hard to beat for the price size weight and features.
PA SLx 2.5x CQB