Medium Range Optic

Poorgay here

What's the best value medium range optic? Anything from 2-4x.

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Whichever flavor primary arms prism you like and happens to be on sale

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Primary arms prism scopes for beat value, Anything else is a risk more than buying primary arms

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Ohhh that's a great idea actually

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The Primary Arms Glx 2x prism. It's basically a more affordable micro ACOG, and the Glx scopes have better glass than the Slx line.

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Swarovski z8i 1-8x
    Swarovski z8i 1.7-13x
    Schmidt & Bender Exos 1-8x

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Primary Arms SLX 3x is fantastic for the money.
    I'm sure the ACOG is better but it's not THAT much better, especially when you look at the price differences. I also don't consider Primary Arms prisms to be poorgay options. I just don't see it that way.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      PA SLX isn't even in the same game as the ACOG. It's fine and will get the job done if you're poor but the ACOG is far beyond in quality.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I'm going to draw you a graph of where I like to where I generally like to buy things, pic related.

        You see, I like to buy stuff where the Gold Star is. Poors buy low quality shit and get ripped off. Fools and team/government funded people buy stuff far into the diminishing returns. You think it's a flex. I think it's just, whatever.

        Once you're into diminishing returns the quality doesn't really improve drastically. So, sorry but you're just wrong. It is better. Yes, the ACOG is better but it's not that much better.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          If your goal is to be at the gold star your only option is to wait for the GLX line of prisms from PA. I have an SLX and it's simply not even a fraction of the quality of an ACOG.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I have the GLX and the SLX. I like the SLX better I think. It's hard to say but when you ad in the fact that the GLX costs a little more, the SLX is definitely the better choice.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              The SLX brightness choices alone are why I can't recommend buying one unless you are truly destitute.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                See, it's a knob you can turn either direction which is what I prefer. Compared to the ACOG which is permanently so overly bright that people resort to duct tape. It's one of the reasons I chose not to spend the money on one.
                They're also both etched reticles. I don't understand why people want them so bright. I don't even bother turning on the illumination most of the time. There's just no reason unless it's dark or a dark background and if that's the case you don't want it blindlingly bright. So, yeah I guess I just disagree with the world on that one.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Fiber optic was awesome when battery life was measured in hours not years. Its still awesome, because I have crippling battery anxiety.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I am using the LED ACOG which is shown in my picture and the brightness settings are fine.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Okay fair enough but people in general will talk about illuminated reticles being "day time bright" or say something doesn't illuminate bright enough to glow in the midday sun. I don't get it. There's absolutely no reason to worry about that.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                You are in bright area, looking into not bright area (room). Many such cases.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I guess I just need to try it with some different brightness settings. Understand a dark background being a problem but I don't think it would take much illumination to overcome it, certainly not as much as the fiber opitc on the ACOG gives.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                The PA SLX is not daylight bright. It is not even close. The ACOG is. This alone will always make me recommend saving up for an ACOG.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                ...and I still maintain that "daylight bright" makes sense for red dots but not for etched reticles.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                This is your brain on dumb.
                Why would I need an etched reticle to be daylight bright?

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              I have both and would prefer the GLx if I had to fight with one, the useable eyebox and clarity is way more forgiving. The SLx feels great on a carbine if I'm just hiking, and either is a good choice for rec use.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Acogs not having an adjustable diopter, often look like unfixable shit compared to a cheap primary arms prism. Why spend a grand (800 whatever) on a prism thats gonna be fricking blurry?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Cog is king but the pa 3x is alright if you’re strapped. Really pro move is used with dead trit that you get replaced from triji

          Confirmed for having never looked through a cog

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Really pro move is used with dead trit that you get replaced from triji
            I've heard that costs as much as a new optic.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              You've heard wrong, my tritium replacement was $149 a couple years back. I'm sure its probably a bit more now but not $800.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Good to know, thanks.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Trit is a meme. Fiber optic is the good shit, or the battery powered ones.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            The fact that you refer to them as "cogs" is enough to disregard everything you have to say.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >adjustable diopter
          wear your glasses moron

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >on a prism thats gonna be fricking blurry

          yeah, at things 5 feet away.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          I'm convinced the one singular moron on this board who spams this looked through an ACOG once at his LGS and tried to focus on something one foot from the lens.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            it took me SO LONG to learn to focus on the reticle at varying distances automatically, and I have noticed the ACOG NO DIOPTER guy too. I assumed astigmatism but you may be on to something.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I don't know man. I've posted that I looked through the ACOGS at the LGS but I thought they were super crisp. I have to give them credit on the glass. However, when I told the guy I was concerned they were so bright that people had to use duct tape on them, he told me to take it outside in the parking lot and look around. So I did. It wasn't even sunny out and that was so bright that it left sun spots on my retina, so blindingly bright that it was hard to look past it to a target. I mean like wtf? I can't imagine trying to pull that thing out on an actually sunny day. A black dark etched reticle is fine. Oh it's night or the background is black? Turn it one click counterclockwise and it's lit up just fine.

            I mean, this isn't a PrepHole thing even. I've seen a ton of youtube reviews b***hing about various prisms not being daytime bright. First, the SLx 3X and GLX 2x are fine. I have those and can attest to it but even if they weren't "daylight bright" I wouldn't care. An illuminated reticle is just nice to have in case of low light situations. I don't give a frick if people think that you can pick up a super bright illuminated reticle 1/100th of a second faster. I'm not even sure that's true.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              just put duct tape over the fiber optic.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I refuse to pay $1,000 for an optic that I have to use duct tape on out of the box. That's the point.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                ok

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Alternative is it not getting bright enough dumbass.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                It's almost like the reticle is etched for a reason...

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Cool now aim at a thing in a black room.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                It's almost like a black room is darker than daylight...

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >There are no dark targets outside

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >those targets are darker than daylight

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >t. doesnt own any of the things he's talking about and recommending

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        The only actual recommendation in that entire post is the Primary Arms SLx 3x. The picture is there to highlight the existence of a broader range of price points than just Primary Arms to ACOG. ACOG is nowhere near the most expensive optic and that NightForce, as I understand it, is the current choice of a lot of Special Forces guys. The point being that if you're strutting around with your ACOG like you got the biggest baddest most expensive optic, too bad so sad, no you didn't. Calling someone that got an SLx poor because you have an ACOG is not different than calling someone with an ACOG poor because they don't have the NightForce. In terms of actual arbitrary price spectrum neither the ACOG nor the Primary Arms exist on the extreme ends of the spectrum. There are many things multiple times cheaper than the Primary Arms and many things multiple times more expensive than the ACOG. The fact that you didn't comprehend that message from the post is statement more about yourself than it is that post.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          jeez, i've seen people get mad and offended that they dont own any guns or gear but this takes the cake lol

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            This board has gone to shit and it's mostly because of cancer like you. You are a net negative to the people around you. You're influence on the world is a negative number. If you had absolutely no value it would be more value than the value you have. There is no wit in your insults. There is no cleverness to your trolls. I cannot even fathom how joylessly detestable your life must be that you find this behavior some temporary reprieve from it. I would feel sad for you if I felt anything at all but I don't because you are nothing aside from a minor annoyance.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              top kek, let the buttmad flow through you, gunless teenager

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >Lighter
          >More Durable
          >Better FOV
          ACOG is love. ACOG is life.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah nah anon, I do have the optic you think is the biggest baddest and most expensive. In fact I've got multiple of them, I've got enough Nightforces to just have a spare ATACR sitting in a box in case I want to use it. ACOG remains my choice.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I hope you're enjoying your time in a poorgay thread

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              I am thanks. OP should get the PA 3x microprism and call it a day btw, it's an impossible to beat value

              I don't know man. I've posted that I looked through the ACOGS at the LGS but I thought they were super crisp. I have to give them credit on the glass. However, when I told the guy I was concerned they were so bright that people had to use duct tape on them, he told me to take it outside in the parking lot and look around. So I did. It wasn't even sunny out and that was so bright that it left sun spots on my retina, so blindingly bright that it was hard to look past it to a target. I mean like wtf? I can't imagine trying to pull that thing out on an actually sunny day. A black dark etched reticle is fine. Oh it's night or the background is black? Turn it one click counterclockwise and it's lit up just fine.

              I mean, this isn't a PrepHole thing even. I've seen a ton of youtube reviews b***hing about various prisms not being daytime bright. First, the SLx 3X and GLX 2x are fine. I have those and can attest to it but even if they weren't "daylight bright" I wouldn't care. An illuminated reticle is just nice to have in case of low light situations. I don't give a frick if people think that you can pick up a super bright illuminated reticle 1/100th of a second faster. I'm not even sure that's true.

              >I can't imagine trying to pull that thing out on an actually sunny day.
              Idk I do it all the time, middle of summer no big deal. Get stronger eyes I guess.
              >I've seen a ton of youtube reviews b***hing about various prisms not being daytime bright.
              Frankly I agree with you. Most people would be fine even with a completely non-illuminated reticle. On FFP LPVOs it matters because the reticle is basically a red dot on 1x, to pick it up it needs some brightness. For other magnified optics illumination matters for getting contrast on a dark background. Even weak illumination will do that job.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Can poorgays not understand the ACOG and ATACR have very different use cases and merits? Its not an RPG tech tree where one is objectively better. IMO LPVOs are a heavy meme, if you want a variable just go 2-10/12.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >Can poorgays not understand the ACOG and ATACR have very different use cases and merits?
              They probably can, maybe, but anon was clearly just lashing out and trying to make the other guy feel poor too.
              >2-10
              4-16 is where it's at

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Need a 1x option with the 4-16 if you need it for general purpose use.

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    acog if u can afford, pa prism if u cannot

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    1.5x acog. Light and small. 1.5x is plenty for 300m in. Regardless if you are shooting a human in 99% of circumstances when it’s a longer shot than 10m it’s probably murder so

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Objectively worse than the GLC 2x from PA

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        GLX*

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        How so?

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Used/display model ACOG TA01/11/33
    PA prism if poor, both are fine. ACOG mo better.

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Leopold has lpvos for ~400.

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Primary arms 3x prism, the new mini one. You can get them for 250 on the reg from like steelcity arsenal or a few other vendors. Adjustable diopter is nice. The many mounts that it comes with and the modularity are nice too. Truly money well spent compared to say getting a sig msr and 3x shit magnifier or something.

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Trijicon credo 1-6, steiner px4i the one with the goofy reticle is usually in the 400 dollar range.

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    ACOG is the undisputed champ, but PA's prism lineup is roughly 80% as much scope for usually a third the price

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    chinese fakeog

  14. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    6x and lower is mid range tbh. D-EVO is cool if you have 556

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Honestly if it wasn't paired with such a shit red dot I'd be super interested

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >here's a dogshit discontinued 6x optic with no magnification that is priced insanely and completely unavailable anyway
      >also a dogshit discontinued red dot that is also massively overpriced and similarly unavailable
      great picks anon but we're talking about things that are good, not abjectly terrible.

  15. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    'cog on the 'log

  16. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    For a cheaper option you are going to want to go with a Prism for durability, simplicity and glass quality. LPVO's really don't start getting good until the $600ish range (1-6 Viper).

  17. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    trawl ebay for used acogs

  18. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    TA44 or Aimpoint Pro? It’s gonna be carry handle mounted on an A2 retro build and I’m an astigmatism gay. I know I could get 2 Aimpoint for the price of the ACOG, but is it really that great to save up my wageslaving checks?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      i bought one because i keep finding acogs for hilarious prices on ebay. its pretty cool and definitely has that 'cold war era fixed scope' vibe but i don't know if its worth 900 dollars.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah, they look neat to me. No batteries is a plus too.

        >carry handle mounted
        >nose to charging handle
        The eyebox and eye relief might be a bit fricky

        I heard eye relief is better on the lower power ones. Didn’t even think of this to be honest, that alone might make me cope with the Aimpoint with my shit eyes,

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          the eye relief on the TA44 is pretty long. you could put it all the way at the end of your flat top and it would still be usable.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Sorry to keep bugging you, it’s just a lot of money to a poorgay like me. Any hands on with a TA44 vs TA45? I can like see the obvious but would one be better than the other for my particular application?

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              if you just have a mild stigmatism i would probably take the T-2 but if you can snag a TA44 cheap on ebay i think its worth it.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                My astigmatism is actually incredibly bad. Bought my dad an Aimpoint Pro for Father’s Day 2 years ago and could hardly use it. I could use it to maybe 100 yards and that’s it.

                If you really wanna need out on all the ins and outs of acogs, deltathirtyfour on youtube

                Thank you very much.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                if you wanna go the cheaper route, the primary arms 1x microprism is pretty good. it also can be carry-handle mounted though it isn't fiber optic. stay away from the vortex prisms if you want fine adjustment.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >stay away from the vortex prisms if you want fine adjustment.
                I think people worry about this too much. Think of it this way. If you have 1 moa adjustment. Someone out there assumes it could be off by as much as 1 moa. That's not true. The absolute most it can be off by is halfway between the 2 adjustment points or 1/2 moa. However, that's the most error that's possible. Just as likely it will be spot on and more probably somewhere in the middle. So if you buy a Vortex prism with 1 moa adjustments you're probably going to be able to sight it in to within about 1/4 moa accuracy. Nobody is shooting through their budget prism scope with that degree of accuracy. Most people don't even have guns and ammo capable of grouping that.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                ok but its the current year and everyone else has 1/2 moa clicks. vortex just refuses to get with the times.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Fair enough and it probably don't translate into any benefit to the shooter. I mean if it meant more definitive tactile clicks less likely to go out of zero or get bumped, I'd actually rather have the 1 moa adjustment. Sadly for them I don't believe it does. Vortex is a great company though. I bought a product from Cabela's and e-mailed them. Told them I didn't like and didn't trust it. They said to e-mail them a photo of the receipt and mail then the optic for a refund. I did and they mailed me a check. This was a month after I bought it from a 3rd party. So, didn't love that optic but Vortex is alright to buy from.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                To be fair, the 1x slx from PA is 1moa adjustments, unless they recently released a newer generation..

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, have one on a VEPR12. More than accurate enough, and that big circle is awesome.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              If you really wanna need out on all the ins and outs of acogs, deltathirtyfour on youtube

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >carry handle mounted
      >nose to charging handle
      The eyebox and eye relief might be a bit fricky

  19. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Primary arms 3x microprism with ACSS is really hard to beat for the price size weight and features.

  20. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    PA SLx 2.5x CQB

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