I'll be honest, I'm generally skeptical of most major Hollywood/American production post-~2017 or so. Even more so for Paramount+ productions after Halo.
For MotA, tone and detail are going to make or break the show. It's not 2001 anymore, they can't expect to copypaste BoB in tone because "ETO."
I do also hope is wrong. I'd really like to see that thicc bitch get some proper glory alongside the inevitable B-17 porn the show should deliver.
Band of Brothers wasn't even good for the era, a lot of late 90s/early 2000s films like U-571 and Saving Private Ryan were pretty bad in their own ways
Not to be that twat, but BoB wasn't a film. As a TV production in that era, it *SHARPLY* stood out and holds up well in the modern day, to the point that it's aged more so as a "film" in peoples' minds than as a "show."
Because if the P-47 was glorified, then people would start asking questions like "Why didn't they give the P-47C big drop tanks so that it could escort bombers all the way to Berlin and back in 1943?" The answer, shockingly, is because Hap Arnold was afraid that if it became known that the P-47 could carry heavy drop tanks, it could just as easily be used to carry bombs, which might make people ask what the point was of having heavy bombers.
That's not to say it was all just a conspiracy and the heavy bombers were a bad decision; the proper answer to the question of which to build is "yes". The Bomber Generals just didn't want to take any risks to their funding model.
Mustang ended up being preferred by brass because it was cheaper, easier to produce and maintain. Same reason Mustangs got sent to do CAS in Korea even though the ANG Thunderbolt units were literally begging to go.
It was basically half the price to build. The thunderbolt was more durable due to the air cooled radial but it just couldn't beat the economy of the mustang.
That and the Mustang was a pretty legit fighter nonetheless.
700-720 km/h, 18-24 m/s climb, good maneuverability, insane range AND WITH GOOD FUEL ECONOMY (unlike the P47 which drank fuel at an insane rate).
P51C with the Malcolm hood @ 75 ins hg. (25lb + boost) (1850-1950hp) was probably the best prop fighter of the war. The only thing that comes close is probably the Ta-152 and only at 7000m also the ta-152 barely existed.
> that the P-47 could carry heavy drop tanks, it could just as easily be used to carry bombs
And have shit range doing it. You didn't think that piece of tinfoil hat logic through, anon.
Mustang ended up being preferred by brass because it was cheaper, easier to produce and maintain. Same reason Mustangs got sent to do CAS in Korea even though the ANG Thunderbolt units were literally begging to go.
At this point, if someone were to collect EVERY WWII-related movie and TV show and played it all, back-to-back-to-back until it was done, would the final runtime be longer than the war itself?
its the modern era creation myth. Angels vs devils tier bullshit.
Since burgers and bongs half assed WW2 or at the very least did not finish off the final delinquent from it, the vatnik union, in the 50s/60s era WW3, its going to be wanked to death over instead of falling into obscurity like other major globe defining wars. Like WW1 or the napoleonic wars or the thirty years war or the Punic wars
if its about late war B-17 action then P-51 would be more common
its Apple TV and Apple is run by a fag, so this movie is GAY.
another thing to remember about stuff like the YUGE losses (it was ifty-50 if you make your 25 mission tour, basically Russian Roulette with 3 chambers loaded) is that today The israelites are saying "American bear much responsibility for letting The Holocaust(tm) happen and shows their (wait for it...here it cums.. :).....
i think this is about the bombers flying daylight raids prior to p47s - like the big balled b17s pilots that blew up the ball bearing plant at Schweinfurt
Band of Brothers wasn't even good for the era, a lot of late 90s/early 2000s films like U-571 and Saving Private Ryan were pretty bad in their own ways
it really wasn't, it just got lucky with the timing of 9/11 and all the rah rah freedom fries bullshit. it's a quippy, feelgood adventure story and even ends with a fucking baseball game lol
I know BoB wasn't a film. That's what I specified "90s films like" and didn't include BoB after that.
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>Hating on BoB
Just wanted to drop in and say I also think you guys are insane retards or just angry thirdies. Just rewatched it and Generation Kill a few weeks ago and they both still hold up great.
War film doesnt need to be idi i smotri levels of horror to be good. There is nothing wrong with representing heroic individuals in war despite what leftists want you to believe.
and that's why GK is so much better than BoB. it's authentic and doesn't resort to overdosing on patriotism and romanticism, or relying on a cast of comic book tier characters. you've got your retard jokester, the angsty wop, muh burly cigar smoking chad, the drunk incompetent officer, the infallible winters, etc. etc. >multiple one man charges >COME ON BLYTHE, I'M GONNA EXPOSE MYSELF LIKE A RETARD AS I YELL AT YOU TO POUR IT ON, DON'T SLACK OFF, NEVER SURRENDER! >heheheheh he's not a quaker!
the high production value doesn't offset the feelgood aspect or superhero depiction of easy company. it didn't age well.
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any rebuttals or am I just another contrarian? at least with the pacific it ended with a PTSD spergout rather than a malick tier baseball game
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GK had its own comic book tier characters, you just chose not to notice.
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not really.
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Bull was so badass when I watched BoB as a kid, the cornfed motherfucker built like a truck and quietly smoking cigars
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I have a coworker who looks like this and does this. Just replace the baseball bat with a golf club and it is litteraly him. Sorry you're just a cityfag.
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I'm a +2 actually and I'd bully the fuck out of your friend on the course
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Everyone will clap as well right?
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Just your mom's cheeks m8.
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The big difference is in primary source material. Band of Brothers is based on a book written by Stephen Ambrose, a Greatest Generation-worshipping Boomer who had a well-known track record for plagiarism and inaccuracies. He was a child when the events of the book took place and based his work entirely on first and second-hand accounts. Generation Kill is based on a book written by Evan Wright, an immersion journalist and porn reviewer who either witnessed every event documented in the book firsthand, or heard about them in the immediate aftermath.
tl;dr Generation Kill provides a raw and considerably more unfiltered viewing experience than Band of Brothers because its source material was written by a guy who was actually there rather than a historian who was writing decades after the fact and already had a reputation for doing shoddy research.
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>Boomer >He was a child when the events of the book took place
Baby boomers weren’t alive during world war 2.
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>not knowing the Boomer has changed connotations over the years to mean "anybody over the age of 30"
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>Baby boomers weren’t alive during world war 2.
Two things.
1. The Baby Boomer generation is considered by some studies to have started in 1944, so there are in fact actual Boomers who were alive during WWII.
2. Stephen Ambrose was born in 1936, that would have made him three years old when Nazi Germany invaded Poland in 1939 and eight years old in 1944 when most of the events of Band of Brothers take place, and a teenager by the 1950s. For him, the war was not a formative experience because most of his childhood memories would have been after the fact. So while he was not formally part of the Baby Boomer generation, he would still have shared much of their mindset, far more so than a person born in 1930, who would have been old enough to comprehend the war from its very beginning, even if they couldn't serve in it.
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GK the show literally has a soldier from the unit playing a fantasy version of himself, while portraying everyone as a sarcastic quipping wise guy. It's basically a riff on the classic "support le troops, not le war" line which was always just a deflection tactic to make you forget how retarded the invasion of Iraq was in the first place. Really really really don't get all the praise that fucking series gets for being "hard hitting", they play football in the last episode ffs.
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>noooooo you can't play football during an invasion! you're supposed to suffer! -t. 'man' who has never swum in an oriental despot's palace pool
Cope harder. We played tennis too btw.
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>while portraying everyone as a sarcastic quipping wise guy.
Yeah except they actually DID act like that IRL
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The Pacific War series had a similar disconnect since the source material was from men writing it during the war instead of boomers lionizing them afterwards.
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GK is merely a different narrow window into a different war.
I'm not being contrarian at all, I was around for those films (U-571 is still in my stock of old movies) and they had a lot of historical, acting or narrative problems
BoB and SPR had the same issues in a lot of ways
Scripted long form story driven TV that doesn’t suck shit was really rare back in the day. You are spoiled by the golden age of television post Breaking Bad.
Band of brothers was very good
And I still think the wrong side lost.
The only truly shit part of the show was the gay and also fake concentration camp stuff.
Like ffs it didn't happen.
The pacific appears to have been more accurate?
Generation Kill was pretty good and it released in 2008, 1917 was released in 2019 and was pretty good also. I doubt it'll be any good but I'm cautiously optimistic.
I aint saying all of them are disappointments, just keep my expectations low. Im autistic enough to loose enjoyment in a serious war movie if its not historically correct enough. Though I do enjoy the cheesy flicks in their own way >love Kellys Heroes
I just watched 1917 like a month ago. For the first time. Not good. I mean, it's OK. There are a couple of great scenes. But on the whole it's all so silly and contrived. the gimmicky one-shot ruins it. Dunkirk is way better.
Even Dune couldn't resist having Duncan Idaho do marvel quips (have you gotten bigger? no) . Just tonally wrong. The movie was great overall but they terribly miscast having Momoa be Idaho. If they had Momoa be Halleck and Broly be Idaho, it would have made a lot more sense
BoB and The Pacific were both produced by Tom Hanks and Steven Spielberg, so at minimum this series shouldn't be bad. Dunno why some of y'all are getting antsy in the thread
Supposed to be about the 8AF, somehow manages to shoehorn the 332'nd in who had nothing to do with the bombers in the 8AF. the332'nd/RedTails were attached to the 15AF in Italy.
>trailer before the trailer
Hollywood just needs to rope itself and be done with it.
Are teens and 20-somethings so impatient that they need their own 3-second trailer before the actual trailer starts?
When you can just swipe with your finger to skip the ad and 90% of shit you see is thinly disguised advertisement or political propaganda, yeah, you need a quick 3 second video to signal to the zoomers that you're not trying to scam them and are actually showing them a new movie. Don't blame zoomers, blame tiktok and the grifters it's brought along with it.
Tuskegee airmen, oh god we're going to see so much seething about MUH BLACK PILOTS MUH DIVERSITY MUH WOKE even if it's a great movie.
That being said,
>From Ramitelli, the 332nd Fighter Group escorted Fifteenth Air Force heavy strategic bombing raids into Czechoslovakia, Austria, Hungary, Poland, and Germany.[43]
Fucking hype. The airstrikes from the Med into Austria and the like are underappreciated.
>there's so many conflicts america has been involved in, winning, losing, or stalemate that have multitudes of tragic or awesome stories to make a series about >which should we pick? >pick WW2 again, tony!
WW2 is the STAH WAHS of war media
I see what youre saying, but it was the largest war in human history; spanning continents and oceans. Battles took place on the sea, land, and in the air. Theres literal millions of interesting stories to be told
Kinda wish they would do a mixed nation one rather than pure American, it's one of the things I wish band of brothers had expanded upon. One of the best scenes was them releasing the British troops emerging from the bushes.
There's always at least one of you cunts in the comments underneath every single trailer or clip from an American WW2 movie or show, usually from bongs or leafs. Other countries should make their own WW2 content if they want the story of their precious King's Own Royal East Scrimbloshire 6th Light Regiment of Foot (Motorised) told. Don't fucking pester us to make it for you.
We do our own movies but being more well-read people with critical thinking skill so those movies don't make us think that it was us who did the most important fighting in WW2. Unlike retarded Americans who make and watch only movies about Americans in WW2, they start thinking that America single handedly "won" WW2 and now rest of the world gets to enjoy million heavy breathing mutts barging into every political conversation that 'WITHOUT US YOU'D BE SPEAKING GERMAN!!!'.
Which tbh would be much better than speaking fucking English...
Yes? That was my fucking point. Maybe this place would be more bearable were we to converse in the language of Wagner's operas than language of 'hir/xir is a nazicommieliberal' -language rapists.
I do not wish der/die/das on anyone. If you're upset about trannies, we should converse in spanish or portuguese >gendered language >only facists who weren't a complete failure >comfy desert climate >removed kebab status: Yes
>more well-read people with critical thinking skill
kek least delusional European >half so lazy that they refuse to watch foreign films in their original language >import a gorillion browns >smoke like absolute naggers and stink to high heaven
Great critical thinking skills, seething eurovassal
>half so lazy that they refuse to watch foreign films in their original language
As opposed to 100% of Americans who are so lazy that they refuse to watch "foreign films" in their original language..
It's all relative, it is 100% objective fact that Americans are by far the least read and most uncivilized people in developed countries.
you cant fuck up a movie with an actor
whos favourite roll was
to be a choleric policeman who tries to stop hippies / nudists from bathing naked at french beaches in the 60s
>King's Own Royal East Scrimbloshire 6th Light Regiment of Foot (Motorised)
Popped in just to kek, the funniest shit is there's actually a sixth regiment of foot in the British military which ended up getting motorized in part. Other parts became paratroopers, artillery, jungle fighting specialists, anti-tank crews and anti-aircraft crews.
Friendly reminder that the RAF shot down more enemy planes over europe between 1942-45 (not even counting the battle of britain), and bomber command dropped more tonnage of bombs than the USAAF.
It will be israeli. Spielberg will brag about the bombing of Dresden. After bombing hospitals, israelites have already compared it to the bombing of Dresden saying it was justified to burn innocent German men women and children.
>every allied nation on the earth working in unison to bomb the shit out of every german city and township only managed to kill 2 million german citizens >but the german army at it's weakest and losing on two fronts and suffering from supply problems of every sort was able to systematically murder three times that amount and cover it up so well that no one in eighty years has been able to find a shred of evidence
hol' up
Dresden was justified, it had a fuck ton of dispersed wartime industry as well as being a major transport hub. But also, talk shit get hit, do it again bomber harris
>innocent
I know you're just trolling but >innocent
lmao no, not in the modern age
participating in the economy of an enemy nation makes you a valid target. Have been since the burning of Atlanta prove its merit.
German here. Dresden was full of displaced Poles, Czechs and other eastern scum. Nothing of value was lost. There were more POW killed than real Germans lol
I hope they include a note at the end that states 'The US Strategic Bombing Survey found that almost all US strategic bombing was ineffective, the effort put into strategic bombing reduced forces available for the vastly more effective tactical interdeiction strikes'
Nah, who am I kidding. The USAF still wants the glory days of SAC back, and will happily fund bullshit like this to trick people into forgettign about teh abject failures over Korea and Vietnam, and how inefficient the bombing effort over Europe was.
Kinda disappointed that we don't build wood cities anymore. I'd love to see Gaza get firebombed. Can you imagine the crying in the international press?
the problem is, they still follow the pattern of 50s 60s warmovies addressing vets which arent there any more.
plus is boring always to see the same bad aim stormtrooperesque performance of the germans/japs.
red tails, super bad, fury lame, bob had maybe 3 good episodes and private ryans opening scene saves the movie but thats it.
anyone evernseen stalingrad, the big red one, kellys heroes or enemy below or the boat? Steiner iron cross? these have more flavour because the enemy isnt just a ragdoll and the us force isnt a galaxy class.
> On his fourteenth mission, Kong was shot down over Blomberg, Germany on February 22. Kong shared in a kill[6] of a Messerschmitt Me 410 with squadron leader Jack T. Bradley and was apparently hit by a stray bullet by the aircraft's rear gunner as Kong finished the plane off.[7] Kong's aircraft exploded and disintegrated in the air,[8] and his remains were buried by the Germans two days later
>there are black people in a war where black people fought.
Why can't we get movies about the fronts and battles where they were significant protagonists of the action instead of the token forces? maybe i'm just pissed the African and Middle Eastern theaters keep getting sidelined but i'm sick to death of hearing about how Jamal personally beating up Hitler
We do our own movies but being more well-read people with critical thinking skill so those movies don't make us think that it was us who did the most important fighting in WW2. Unlike retarded Americans who make and watch only movies about Americans in WW2, they start thinking that America single handedly "won" WW2 and now rest of the world gets to enjoy million heavy breathing mutts barging into every political conversation that 'WITHOUT US YOU'D BE SPEAKING GERMAN!!!'.
Which tbh would be much better than speaking fucking English...
Then why do you even complain about Americans not making movies about you, grow up
>a unit that earned three distinguished unit citations >token forces
You demand Africa/Middle East but reject the Italian/Mediterranean campaigns?
What are you looking for, a movie about Operation Torch?
a movie more accurate than Patton and that encompasses more than Patton
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That's like every war movie that isn't Patton lmao
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You know accuracy in war movies is hardly a thing before or after Band of Brothers, Battle of the Bulge was shat on hard even during its release for being inaccurate when the general public didn't actually knew shit and history nerds couldn't get a platform to complain on
eh, it seems kind of maudlin. Trying to be a spectacle rather than a good story. Big battles, sexy actors and actresses. It'll definitely turn a profit because steven spielberg knows how to do pure spectacle
Why don’t they do Africa? >Dunkirk esque terror at Kasserine >fellating Rommel >Brits and Americans doing work >plenty of colonial forces on both sides for diversity >Italians finally get to be somewhat relevant in film
crazy how due to apple's cheapness the CG here is worse than in Band of Brothers or the Pacific despite those having come out what like seventeen years ago?
Why did it have to to be another series acting like the B-17 like it was the only US bomber and the Liberator and Mitchell didn't exist.
An anthology about Bomber Command would have been way more varied and entertaining in terms of missions and aircraft not just depiction #5000 about bombing Schweinfurt. You could even have an ep about RAF B-17s to appeasing flying fortress fags.
Movies or documentaries? The full documentary about the Black Buck raid called Most Daring Raid is on Youtube. There's also an interview with the officer who commanded the small platoon on South Georgia during the initial invasion (the one that took out frigate's 5" gun mount with a Carl Gustav)
The best Falklands film is An Ungentlemanly Act which is about the argentine invasion and the 57 Royal Marines (plus the same number of armed merchant sailors and local militia) who tried to defend the HQ of the falklands government from 600 Argentine Marines and 20 Amtracks. It's no longer on YT aside from clips though.
Tumbledown and Resurrected are both on on youtube but they are mostly about the aftermath.
Done, enjoyable. Also makes me appreciate even more what a miracle options like the B-2 or even B-52 was. A range of 6000-9000 miles before refueling vs ~2300 miles is a big deal. But hats off to the bongs for one hell of a performance with very little prep.
yet another movie where P47s get sidelined in favor of muh mustang even though the P47s did all the heavy lifting
Yeah
I'll be honest, I'm generally skeptical of most major Hollywood/American production post-~2017 or so. Even more so for Paramount+ productions after Halo.
For MotA, tone and detail are going to make or break the show. It's not 2001 anymore, they can't expect to copypaste BoB in tone because "ETO."
I do also hope is wrong. I'd really like to see that thicc bitch get some proper glory alongside the inevitable B-17 porn the show should deliver.
Not to be that twat, but BoB wasn't a film. As a TV production in that era, it *SHARPLY* stood out and holds up well in the modern day, to the point that it's aged more so as a "film" in peoples' minds than as a "show."
I know BoB wasn't a film. That's what I specified "90s films like" and didn't include BoB after that.
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>Zoomer homosexual attempt to be contrarian
lmao
The preferred narrative of the Bomber Generals must be preserved at all costs.
>yet another movie where P47s get sidelined in favor of muh mustang
But why? Why does the P47 get sidelined so much and mustang is so glorified?
Because its fatphobia
Because if the P-47 was glorified, then people would start asking questions like "Why didn't they give the P-47C big drop tanks so that it could escort bombers all the way to Berlin and back in 1943?" The answer, shockingly, is because Hap Arnold was afraid that if it became known that the P-47 could carry heavy drop tanks, it could just as easily be used to carry bombs, which might make people ask what the point was of having heavy bombers.
That's not to say it was all just a conspiracy and the heavy bombers were a bad decision; the proper answer to the question of which to build is "yes". The Bomber Generals just didn't want to take any risks to their funding model.
It was basically half the price to build. The thunderbolt was more durable due to the air cooled radial but it just couldn't beat the economy of the mustang.
That and the Mustang was a pretty legit fighter nonetheless.
700-720 km/h, 18-24 m/s climb, good maneuverability, insane range AND WITH GOOD FUEL ECONOMY (unlike the P47 which drank fuel at an insane rate).
P51C with the Malcolm hood @ 75 ins hg. (25lb + boost) (1850-1950hp) was probably the best prop fighter of the war. The only thing that comes close is probably the Ta-152 and only at 7000m also the ta-152 barely existed.
> that the P-47 could carry heavy drop tanks, it could just as easily be used to carry bombs
And have shit range doing it. You didn't think that piece of tinfoil hat logic through, anon.
Mustang ended up being preferred by brass because it was cheaper, easier to produce and maintain. Same reason Mustangs got sent to do CAS in Korea even though the ANG Thunderbolt units were literally begging to go.
nobody likes fat boys
More like
>yet another WWII movie
At this point, if someone were to collect EVERY WWII-related movie and TV show and played it all, back-to-back-to-back until it was done, would the final runtime be longer than the war itself?
its the modern era creation myth. Angels vs devils tier bullshit.
Since burgers and bongs half assed WW2 or at the very least did not finish off the final delinquent from it, the vatnik union, in the 50s/60s era WW3, its going to be wanked to death over instead of falling into obscurity like other major globe defining wars. Like WW1 or the napoleonic wars or the thirty years war or the Punic wars
Who cares about the runtime, the real question is 'is every day of ww2 depicted on film, for each theatre'
it's not fucking fair bros
It's a series about a unit that happened to fly the planes they were issued. Stop crying and make your own series about another unit which flew P47's
The Navy is in about 35 seconds of "The Pacific" so I don't want to hear ur bitching about the flying diabetes machine
if its about late war B-17 action then P-51 would be more common
its Apple TV and Apple is run by a fag, so this movie is GAY.
another thing to remember about stuff like the YUGE losses (it was ifty-50 if you make your 25 mission tour, basically Russian Roulette with 3 chambers loaded) is that today The israelites are saying "American bear much responsibility for letting The Holocaust(tm) happen and shows their (wait for it...here it cums.. :).....
ANTI_SEMITISIM".
Not making that up, BTW.
come on bam stop sunkin my dink
she's a big bitch
i think this is about the bombers flying daylight raids prior to p47s - like the big balled b17s pilots that blew up the ball bearing plant at Schweinfurt
I'm keeping my expectations low
Everyone in every movie now has to have captain america marvel cool guy one liners. They really went from Band of Brothers to this. Shits gay.
Band of Brothers wasn't even good for the era, a lot of late 90s/early 2000s films like U-571 and Saving Private Ryan were pretty bad in their own ways
>Band of Brothers wasn't even good for the era
Clinically insane take
it really wasn't, it just got lucky with the timing of 9/11 and all the rah rah freedom fries bullshit. it's a quippy, feelgood adventure story and even ends with a fucking baseball game lol
>Hating on BoB
Just wanted to drop in and say I also think you guys are insane retards or just angry thirdies. Just rewatched it and Generation Kill a few weeks ago and they both still hold up great.
Baseball game ending was kino you fuckin philistine
War film doesnt need to be idi i smotri levels of horror to be good. There is nothing wrong with representing heroic individuals in war despite what leftists want you to believe.
and that's why GK is so much better than BoB. it's authentic and doesn't resort to overdosing on patriotism and romanticism, or relying on a cast of comic book tier characters. you've got your retard jokester, the angsty wop, muh burly cigar smoking chad, the drunk incompetent officer, the infallible winters, etc. etc.
>multiple one man charges
>COME ON BLYTHE, I'M GONNA EXPOSE MYSELF LIKE A RETARD AS I YELL AT YOU TO POUR IT ON, DON'T SLACK OFF, NEVER SURRENDER!
>heheheheh he's not a quaker!
the high production value doesn't offset the feelgood aspect or superhero depiction of easy company. it didn't age well.
any rebuttals or am I just another contrarian? at least with the pacific it ended with a PTSD spergout rather than a malick tier baseball game
GK had its own comic book tier characters, you just chose not to notice.
not really.
Bull was so badass when I watched BoB as a kid, the cornfed motherfucker built like a truck and quietly smoking cigars
I have a coworker who looks like this and does this. Just replace the baseball bat with a golf club and it is litteraly him. Sorry you're just a cityfag.
I'm a +2 actually and I'd bully the fuck out of your friend on the course
Everyone will clap as well right?
Just your mom's cheeks m8.
The big difference is in primary source material. Band of Brothers is based on a book written by Stephen Ambrose, a Greatest Generation-worshipping Boomer who had a well-known track record for plagiarism and inaccuracies. He was a child when the events of the book took place and based his work entirely on first and second-hand accounts. Generation Kill is based on a book written by Evan Wright, an immersion journalist and porn reviewer who either witnessed every event documented in the book firsthand, or heard about them in the immediate aftermath.
tl;dr Generation Kill provides a raw and considerably more unfiltered viewing experience than Band of Brothers because its source material was written by a guy who was actually there rather than a historian who was writing decades after the fact and already had a reputation for doing shoddy research.
>Boomer
>He was a child when the events of the book took place
Baby boomers weren’t alive during world war 2.
>not knowing the Boomer has changed connotations over the years to mean "anybody over the age of 30"
>Baby boomers weren’t alive during world war 2.
Two things.
1. The Baby Boomer generation is considered by some studies to have started in 1944, so there are in fact actual Boomers who were alive during WWII.
2. Stephen Ambrose was born in 1936, that would have made him three years old when Nazi Germany invaded Poland in 1939 and eight years old in 1944 when most of the events of Band of Brothers take place, and a teenager by the 1950s. For him, the war was not a formative experience because most of his childhood memories would have been after the fact. So while he was not formally part of the Baby Boomer generation, he would still have shared much of their mindset, far more so than a person born in 1930, who would have been old enough to comprehend the war from its very beginning, even if they couldn't serve in it.
GK the show literally has a soldier from the unit playing a fantasy version of himself, while portraying everyone as a sarcastic quipping wise guy. It's basically a riff on the classic "support le troops, not le war" line which was always just a deflection tactic to make you forget how retarded the invasion of Iraq was in the first place. Really really really don't get all the praise that fucking series gets for being "hard hitting", they play football in the last episode ffs.
>noooooo you can't play football during an invasion! you're supposed to suffer! -t. 'man' who has never swum in an oriental despot's palace pool
Cope harder. We played tennis too btw.
>while portraying everyone as a sarcastic quipping wise guy.
Yeah except they actually DID act like that IRL
The Pacific War series had a similar disconnect since the source material was from men writing it during the war instead of boomers lionizing them afterwards.
GK is merely a different narrow window into a different war.
retard
I can tell you're balding.
Contrarian brainrot. BoB is quality TV.
Bad take
>it’s another “Anon thinks being a contrarian makes him seem smarter or better than everyone else” episode
honestly funny you fags think Im being contrarian.
“I was merely pretending”
I'm not being contrarian at all, I was around for those films (U-571 is still in my stock of old movies) and they had a lot of historical, acting or narrative problems
BoB and SPR had the same issues in a lot of ways
>Band of Brothers wasn't even good for the era
have a nice day
You weren’t alive when Band of Brothers was on tv.
Scripted long form story driven TV that doesn’t suck shit was really rare back in the day. You are spoiled by the golden age of television post Breaking Bad.
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Found the 14 year old "experienced film connoisseur"
You have to be at least 18 to post here little guy
Band of brothers was very good
And I still think the wrong side lost.
The only truly shit part of the show was the gay and also fake concentration camp stuff.
Like ffs it didn't happen.
The pacific appears to have been more accurate?
I always keep my expectations low when it comes to hollywood and war movies
Generation Kill was pretty good and it released in 2008, 1917 was released in 2019 and was pretty good also. I doubt it'll be any good but I'm cautiously optimistic.
I aint saying all of them are disappointments, just keep my expectations low. Im autistic enough to loose enjoyment in a serious war movie if its not historically correct enough. Though I do enjoy the cheesy flicks in their own way
>love Kellys Heroes
Generation Kill is the worst series I've ever seen. I've tried to watch it twice and just couldn't take to it. I guess it's in a burger thing
I just watched 1917 like a month ago. For the first time. Not good. I mean, it's OK. There are a couple of great scenes. But on the whole it's all so silly and contrived. the gimmicky one-shot ruins it. Dunkirk is way better.
Even Dune couldn't resist having Duncan Idaho do marvel quips (have you gotten bigger? no) . Just tonally wrong. The movie was great overall but they terribly miscast having Momoa be Idaho. If they had Momoa be Halleck and Broly be Idaho, it would have made a lot more sense
>WE WUZ PILOTS
no thanks
MASSAS of da URRR
BoB and The Pacific were both produced by Tom Hanks and Steven Spielberg, so at minimum this series shouldn't be bad. Dunno why some of y'all are getting antsy in the thread
I'm so fucking tired of WW2 content
say it with me anon
GREATEST
GENERATION
and you will suck their cocks
>you will suck their cocks
Flaccid?
>I'm so fucking tired of ALLIED WW2 content
Fixed that for you
Well, there was some russian content about lesser known happenings lately.
You'll need to filter propaganda cheese though.
Supposed to be about the 8AF, somehow manages to shoehorn the 332'nd in who had nothing to do with the bombers in the 8AF. the332'nd/RedTails were attached to the 15AF in Italy.
Fucking israeliteywood.
>trailer before the trailer
Hollywood just needs to rope itself and be done with it.
Are teens and 20-somethings so impatient that they need their own 3-second trailer before the actual trailer starts?
When you can just swipe with your finger to skip the ad and 90% of shit you see is thinly disguised advertisement or political propaganda, yeah, you need a quick 3 second video to signal to the zoomers that you're not trying to scam them and are actually showing them a new movie. Don't blame zoomers, blame tiktok and the grifters it's brought along with it.
Looks like it's either a split narrative or it's the Mediterranean campaign.
Tuskegee airmen, oh god we're going to see so much seething about MUH BLACK PILOTS MUH DIVERSITY MUH WOKE even if it's a great movie.
That being said,
>From Ramitelli, the 332nd Fighter Group escorted Fifteenth Air Force heavy strategic bombing raids into Czechoslovakia, Austria, Hungary, Poland, and Germany.[43]
Fucking hype. The airstrikes from the Med into Austria and the like are underappreciated.
Yeah. I'm glad it's not the usual raids launched from England. What B-17 footage we get always picks that. Glad to see literally anything else.
>Tuskegee airmen
>even if it's a great movie
If you are talking about the "Tuskegee airmen" movie, it was trash.
>Fucking hype. The airstrikes from the Med into Austria and the like are underappreciated.
PLOESTI LOW LEVEL BOMBING CHAOS KINO FUCKING WHEN
Never brother. Never.
Party pooper.
>apple tv
You wouldn't download a B-17
fuck yeah I would
That CGI honest to god looks worse than the D-day jump from Band of Brothers, what the fuck
it looks worse than WAR THUNDER graphics
Fuck these war criminals
Betty bomber crews were the real chads in WW2
>there's so many conflicts america has been involved in, winning, losing, or stalemate that have multitudes of tragic or awesome stories to make a series about
>which should we pick?
>pick WW2 again, tony!
WW2 is the STAH WAHS of war media
I see what youre saying, but it was the largest war in human history; spanning continents and oceans. Battles took place on the sea, land, and in the air. Theres literal millions of interesting stories to be told
WW2 is the west's foundational mythology and the holocaust is central.
Kinda wish they would do a mixed nation one rather than pure American, it's one of the things I wish band of brothers had expanded upon. One of the best scenes was them releasing the British troops emerging from the bushes.
There's always at least one of you cunts in the comments underneath every single trailer or clip from an American WW2 movie or show, usually from bongs or leafs. Other countries should make their own WW2 content if they want the story of their precious King's Own Royal East Scrimbloshire 6th Light Regiment of Foot (Motorised) told. Don't fucking pester us to make it for you.
The Italians did a good job
We do our own movies but being more well-read people with critical thinking skill so those movies don't make us think that it was us who did the most important fighting in WW2. Unlike retarded Americans who make and watch only movies about Americans in WW2, they start thinking that America single handedly "won" WW2 and now rest of the world gets to enjoy million heavy breathing mutts barging into every political conversation that 'WITHOUT US YOU'D BE SPEAKING GERMAN!!!'.
Which tbh would be much better than speaking fucking English...
he says, while posting on an english-language basket weaving forum
Yes? That was my fucking point. Maybe this place would be more bearable were we to converse in the language of Wagner's operas than language of 'hir/xir is a nazicommieliberal' -language rapists.
I do not wish der/die/das on anyone. If you're upset about trannies, we should converse in spanish or portuguese
>gendered language
>only facists who weren't a complete failure
>comfy desert climate
>removed kebab status: Yes
Krauts are fags.
>more well-read people with critical thinking skill
kek least delusional European
>half so lazy that they refuse to watch foreign films in their original language
>import a gorillion browns
>smoke like absolute naggers and stink to high heaven
Great critical thinking skills, seething eurovassal
>half so lazy that they refuse to watch foreign films in their original language
As opposed to 100% of Americans who are so lazy that they refuse to watch "foreign films" in their original language..
It's all relative, it is 100% objective fact that Americans are by far the least read and most uncivilized people in developed countries.
Thank you vasily i am now very demoralized
You're welcome.
We dit it in France, there several movies about this.
The most famous is picrel, watch it, it's comedy gold.
Loius de Funes, that glorious little shit
you cant fuck up a movie with an actor
whos favourite roll was
to be a choleric policeman who tries to stop hippies / nudists from bathing naked at french beaches in the 60s
>King's Own Royal East Scrimbloshire 6th Light Regiment of Foot (Motorised)
Popped in just to kek, the funniest shit is there's actually a sixth regiment of foot in the British military which ended up getting motorized in part. Other parts became paratroopers, artillery, jungle fighting specialists, anti-tank crews and anti-aircraft crews.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Warwickshire_Regiment
A genuine 'what the actual fuck' honestly.
Friendly reminder that the RAF shot down more enemy planes over europe between 1942-45 (not even counting the battle of britain), and bomber command dropped more tonnage of bombs than the USAAF.
been hyped for this for years since it was announced
apple can shove this shit up their ass. Glad HBO skipped out on this and we can cosign it to non canon to BOB/pacific
hope it bombs and appleTV has to shut down
>appleTV has to shut down
lol
lmao
yea believe it or not it costs a massive amount of money to produce these shows and nobody has a fucking sub to apple tv
>hope it bombs
well of course, they're flying bombers
>trailer is 90% white men
>ONE (1) 5 second clip with some naggers in it
>chimp the fuck out
/misc/ has done irreparable damage to your psyche
>/misc/ has done irreparable damage to your psyche
Barely any naggers fought in Europe.
They have Will Smith and Don Cheadle to look forward to.
It will be israeli. Spielberg will brag about the bombing of Dresden. After bombing hospitals, israelites have already compared it to the bombing of Dresden saying it was justified to burn innocent German men women and children.
>every allied nation on the earth working in unison to bomb the shit out of every german city and township only managed to kill 2 million german citizens
>but the german army at it's weakest and losing on two fronts and suffering from supply problems of every sort was able to systematically murder three times that amount and cover it up so well that no one in eighty years has been able to find a shred of evidence
hol' up
Dresden was justified, it had a fuck ton of dispersed wartime industry as well as being a major transport hub. But also, talk shit get hit, do it again bomber harris
>innocent
I know you're just trolling but
>innocent
lmao no, not in the modern age
participating in the economy of an enemy nation makes you a valid target. Have been since the burning of Atlanta prove its merit.
God bless Sherman and death to the rebs.
>it was justified to burn innocent German men women and children.
No such thing as an "innocent" Germ
German here. Dresden was full of displaced Poles, Czechs and other eastern scum. Nothing of value was lost. There were more POW killed than real Germans lol
>israeli
That's a pretty childish delusion you've got there, matey
It's been 80 years. I don't want to see my german brethren die anymore, it doesn't fill me with patriotism. When is the war propaganda going to end?
Why are you watching american WW2 shit
It's going to just be all Hollywood bullshit with "action" scenes filled to the brim with CGI.
yea let's bomb in an uncontested airspace
>Austria or Germany circa 1944
>uncontested
Why does it just look like Midway (2019) but Western Front?
I hope they include a note at the end that states 'The US Strategic Bombing Survey found that almost all US strategic bombing was ineffective, the effort put into strategic bombing reduced forces available for the vastly more effective tactical interdeiction strikes'
Nah, who am I kidding. The USAF still wants the glory days of SAC back, and will happily fund bullshit like this to trick people into forgettign about teh abject failures over Korea and Vietnam, and how inefficient the bombing effort over Europe was.
A few of the attacks against the transportation and fuel production infrastructure were worthwhile.
what do you mean by “ineffectual”?
>BoB is good because....BECAUSE IT JUST IS OKAY CONTRARIAN COMMIE?!
Visited PrepHole to see what they thought, its just bitching about Dresden
Kinda disappointed that we don't build wood cities anymore. I'd love to see Gaza get firebombed. Can you imagine the crying in the international press?
You're shilling a little too hard.
>masters of the air
The nane means the flying ace axis gentlemen, that brought down these terror bombing allieisraelites?
the problem is, they still follow the pattern of 50s 60s warmovies addressing vets which arent there any more.
plus is boring always to see the same bad aim stormtrooperesque performance of the germans/japs.
red tails, super bad, fury lame, bob had maybe 3 good episodes and private ryans opening scene saves the movie but thats it.
anyone evernseen stalingrad, the big red one, kellys heroes or enemy below or the boat? Steiner iron cross? these have more flavour because the enemy isnt just a ragdoll and the us force isnt a galaxy class.
>this january
>it is already middle of november
All I want is more movies about mercenaries of early-modern period. Flesh + Blood was kino of the highest order.
Just admit you have a cuck fetish.
I mean look at this. This is how wars should be conducted: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jn6VG-3NoqY&ab_channel=AuraZero
None of this high and mighty 'aww shucks we are just some old country boys but we must kick Hitler's behind for Uncle Sam and goodness!!' shite.
Fucking hell they didn't even try to make the CG look convincing. It's hardly an improvement on Red Tails.
you're not supposed to feel that way on nu-/k/
>tfw retard upset that there are black people in a war where black people fought.
>tfw when he hears about the banzai charging GI nips in Northern Italy and Southern France.
>banzai charging GI nips
did you mean nigs?
The only nagger here is (you) for not even knowing the word banzai. You have to go back.
banzai is not an ethnically exclusive term
No, no he didn't.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/442nd_Infantry_Regiment_(United_States)
Wild. Wonder how any of them felt about their families getting put in internment camps.
a lot of nisei (nip americans) volunteered right out of the internment camps. They proved their patriotism
>GO FOR BROKE
wouldn't be the last time asian americans proved their patriotism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Chew-Een_Lee
they'd better have asians in this show instead of blacks
You joke but there was a Chinese-American P-51 pilot who fought and died escorting B-17s over Europe.
https://www.caww2.org/profile7
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wah_Kau_Kong
> On his fourteenth mission, Kong was shot down over Blomberg, Germany on February 22. Kong shared in a kill[6] of a Messerschmitt Me 410 with squadron leader Jack T. Bradley and was apparently hit by a stray bullet by the aircraft's rear gunner as Kong finished the plane off.[7] Kong's aircraft exploded and disintegrated in the air,[8] and his remains were buried by the Germans two days later
t. not old enough to have seen The Karate Kid
>tfw when he hears about the banzai charging GI nips in Northern Italy and Southern France.
I had a crush on a girl whose grandfather was one of those mad lads. She was cute.
>there are black people in a war where black people fought.
Why can't we get movies about the fronts and battles where they were significant protagonists of the action instead of the token forces? maybe i'm just pissed the African and Middle Eastern theaters keep getting sidelined but i'm sick to death of hearing about how Jamal personally beating up Hitler
Then why do you even complain about Americans not making movies about you, grow up
>a unit that earned three distinguished unit citations
>token forces
You demand Africa/Middle East but reject the Italian/Mediterranean campaigns?
What are you looking for, a movie about Operation Torch?
yes.
What are you looking for that Patton doesn't cover?
a movie more accurate than Patton and that encompasses more than Patton
That's like every war movie that isn't Patton lmao
You know accuracy in war movies is hardly a thing before or after Band of Brothers, Battle of the Bulge was shat on hard even during its release for being inaccurate when the general public didn't actually knew shit and history nerds couldn't get a platform to complain on
i hope you guys pirate it.
eh, it seems kind of maudlin. Trying to be a spectacle rather than a good story. Big battles, sexy actors and actresses. It'll definitely turn a profit because steven spielberg knows how to do pure spectacle
they just had to have the dindu tails didnt they
Why don’t they do Africa?
>Dunkirk esque terror at Kasserine
>fellating Rommel
>Brits and Americans doing work
>plenty of colonial forces on both sides for diversity
>Italians finally get to be somewhat relevant in film
I'd pay top dollar for a Rommel vs Montgomery series
SAS Rogues.
What's the official /k/ verdict?
Any of you guys have a jacket like OPs pic?
Looking forward to seeing ameriscum die in droves on the Schweinfurt-Regensburg raids.
Looks kinda like Avengers garbage
>Bad take
crazy how due to apple's cheapness the CG here is worse than in Band of Brothers or the Pacific despite those having come out what like seventeen years ago?
Why did it have to to be another series acting like the B-17 like it was the only US bomber and the Liberator and Mitchell didn't exist.
An anthology about Bomber Command would have been way more varied and entertaining in terms of missions and aircraft not just depiction #5000 about bombing Schweinfurt. You could even have an ep about RAF B-17s to appeasing flying fortress fags.
>For All Mankind but it's about bomber command bombing everyone from the 1940s to now
Fund it
The RAF strategic night bombing cinematic universe?
Burger here, are there are any good movies on youtube about the falklands war? That OR one wetted my appetite.
Movies or documentaries? The full documentary about the Black Buck raid called Most Daring Raid is on Youtube. There's also an interview with the officer who commanded the small platoon on South Georgia during the initial invasion (the one that took out frigate's 5" gun mount with a Carl Gustav)
The best Falklands film is An Ungentlemanly Act which is about the argentine invasion and the 57 Royal Marines (plus the same number of armed merchant sailors and local militia) who tried to defend the HQ of the falklands government from 600 Argentine Marines and 20 Amtracks. It's no longer on YT aside from clips though.
Tumbledown and Resurrected are both on on youtube but they are mostly about the aftermath.
>Movies or documentaries?
Yes.
And thanks a bunch anon, all those look fun.
Done, enjoyable. Also makes me appreciate even more what a miracle options like the B-2 or even B-52 was. A range of 6000-9000 miles before refueling vs ~2300 miles is a big deal. But hats off to the bongs for one hell of a performance with very little prep.
IS there a SINGLE GOOD show on APFEL TV?
There are no good TV shows
proof is how terrible PrepHole is
mmm, yes... give it to me, daddy. It's finally the time for us plane-autists.
Will /k/ be having a weekly thread for each episode?
The closer to WW2 the movie was made, the better it is.