Mark 23 Supressor

So besides the KAC can, what is the best one for this pistol? Don't say the Osprey 45, as if you have the LAM on it it's impossible to change it between guns without having to re-zero the laser, so I just need a good traditional round silencer.

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    why are you removing the suppressor?
    I never bother taking off any of my suppressors

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Because I also have a USP 45 Tactical and HK45 Tactical that I want to use a silencer on, and since I can't get a KAC can I want to get a dedicated can for my Mark 23. I'll use the Osprey on the other two. So yeah I won't be taking it off, also because you'd have to switch the piston out since it's the only gun that uses those threads.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Pistol silencers on medium to large caliber pistols are mostly a meme unless you have a slide lock, grease, and wipes.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      suppressors make a lot of sense on 45s Anon. Its a subsonic round.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        shut the frick up. shut the hell up and fricking die.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          lol seethe homosexual.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            did you know that subsonic 9mm exists? pretty much all defensive 9mm ammo is subsonic.

            all of you "durrr .45 is NaTuRaLlY sUbSoNiC morons constantly show your ignorance by thinking subsonic ammo is some weird rarity.

            im mad because people are ignorant on this site and are seemingly rewarded for it.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >did you know that subsonic 9mm exists? pretty much all defensive 9mm ammo is subsonic.
              LMAO
              >Speer Gold Dot supersonic
              >Hornady Critical Defense supersonic
              >Federal HST supersonic
              subsonic is a thing but its not the norm. Its definitely specialty 9mm.

              Whereas all 45aarp is subsonic. You want super? You get 45 super, which the Mk23 can shoot by the way. And subsonic 9mm is usually around 147 grain. A lot lighter than 45 which is usually 230. 9mm makes sense most of the time. But if we are talking about a dedicated suppressed gun it makes a lot of sense. Especially when you factor in velocity. TLDR: you're moronic and buttmad.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              That's because you use baby ammo instead of plus p like a real man

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Suck my wiener Black person :3

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/xorivXw.jpg

        >did you know that subsonic 9mm exists? pretty much all defensive 9mm ammo is subsonic.
        LMAO
        >Speer Gold Dot supersonic
        >Hornady Critical Defense supersonic
        >Federal HST supersonic
        subsonic is a thing but its not the norm. Its definitely specialty 9mm.

        Whereas all 45aarp is subsonic. You want super? You get 45 super, which the Mk23 can shoot by the way. And subsonic 9mm is usually around 147 grain. A lot lighter than 45 which is usually 230. 9mm makes sense most of the time. But if we are talking about a dedicated suppressed gun it makes a lot of sense. Especially when you factor in velocity. TLDR: you're moronic and buttmad.

        https://i.imgur.com/BvRPxYi.jpg

        Nocans spotted.
        [...]
        You're moronic.
        [...]
        9mm is nothing compared to 45 in suppression characteristics. Objectively of the two rounds, the .45 is king.

        I'm convinced zoomers are anti-45 because tiktok and everyone in their mother suggesting you a 9mm bc you're broke.

        Here's a basic physics lesson Anon. Force = mass times acceleration. subsonic 9mm is 147 grain. Subsonic 45acp is 230 grain. Since they are both traveling at the same speed it should be obvious which has more energy. 9mm gets its energy from velocity, if you slow it down its less effective. So if you were to choose one or the other as a dedicated suppressor host 45 makes more sense.

        [...]
        [...]
        That's just like, your opinion Anon. 45 is a better cartridge for suppression because subs are the commonly available defacto round and its more lethal than subsonic 9mm. Being the absolutely quietest isn't all that important. People just need them to be quiet enough and suppressed 45 is quiet enough.

        >WEE-WOO WEE-WOO WEE-WOO
        that's the moron alarm going off because of your posts. lol, lmao, roflcakes
        9mm suppresses better than 45, averaging 4-5db quieter than 45AARP. to add moron insult to moron injury, it suppresses even better out of a 45 can.
        >https://silencerco.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/ss-osprey.pdf
        you will find this is true for any suppressor manufacturer that publishes spec sheets and performance data.
        >but muh ammo availability!
        9mm subsonic is readily available online for .35c per round or less, which is still cheaper than 45, and is stocked at big box stores and local shops too.
        cope and seethe 45gays. kek

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      shut the frick up nocanz

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        bigger hole = more noise

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Then why is 9mm quieter than 300 blk when both are subsonic. Hint, there's more variables at play.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You're dumb. 45 ACP is straight up hearing safe to shoot in a handgun suppressor. I've done thousands of rounds. 9mm supersonic can be done, but it will hurt your ears so i don't.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Nocans spotted.

      shut the frick up. shut the hell up and fricking die.

      You're moronic.

      did you know that subsonic 9mm exists? pretty much all defensive 9mm ammo is subsonic.

      all of you "durrr .45 is NaTuRaLlY sUbSoNiC morons constantly show your ignorance by thinking subsonic ammo is some weird rarity.

      im mad because people are ignorant on this site and are seemingly rewarded for it.

      9mm is nothing compared to 45 in suppression characteristics. Objectively of the two rounds, the .45 is king.

      I'm convinced zoomers are anti-45 because tiktok and everyone in their mother suggesting you a 9mm bc you're broke.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Isnt 147gr 9mm subsonic?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Here's a basic physics lesson Anon. Force = mass times acceleration. subsonic 9mm is 147 grain. Subsonic 45acp is 230 grain. Since they are both traveling at the same speed it should be obvious which has more energy. 9mm gets its energy from velocity, if you slow it down its less effective. So if you were to choose one or the other as a dedicated suppressor host 45 makes more sense.

          >9mm is nothing compared to 45 in suppression characteristics. Objectively of the two rounds, the .45 is king.
          This is literally backwards. 9mm suppresses objectively better than 45. Stop spouting fuddlore.

          That said other anon is also a fricking moron, any handgun is 100% worth suppressing.

          >but is a subsonic 9mm significantly quieter than a sub .45?
          It's not just that, it's more that you can do the same or somewhat better job with a much smaller, lighter can, or a significantly better job with an equal sized can. Seriously anon, just go look around compare cans and decibel measures from the exact same manufacturer. 9mm cans are all much lighter for the job, even ones rated for full auto.

          One aspect, and I'm not sure why it has stuck around as a meme so hard, is the "subsonic" part. It just doesn't matter that much until you're in the polishing stage so to speak, same as action. In two identical cartridges yeah subs will be quieter than supers, the supersonic crack isn't noiseless, but MOST (by an overwhelming amount) of the noise from firing a gun comes from the muzzle blast, period. 9mm has a case capacity of ~13gr H2O, .45 has a case capacity of ~26gr H2O, or almost exactly double. It's a lot more powder, out a bigger hole, in the same barrel length. There's just plain a lot more fricking gas (and potentially not fully burned powder) to deal with. That is way, way more important than the bullet in this kind of use.

          That's just like, your opinion Anon. 45 is a better cartridge for suppression because subs are the commonly available defacto round and its more lethal than subsonic 9mm. Being the absolutely quietest isn't all that important. People just need them to be quiet enough and suppressed 45 is quiet enough.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >45 is a better cartridge for suppression because subs are the commonly available defacto round
            Subs are a total meme for handgun suppression, you have no fricking idea what you're talking about.
            >Being the absolutely quietest isn't all that important
            Then why the frick did you bring up subsonic? The literal only reason to use subs is noise, but 45 is louder ANYWAY. Also
            >147gr
            >totally rare and expensive and hard to get guiz
            >https://ammoseek.com/ammo/9mm-luger/-handgun-147grains?sh=low
            yeah

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >Then why the frick did you bring up subsonic?
              Because 45acp is subsonic dumbass.
              >he literal only reason to use subs is noise, but 45 is louder ANYWAY.
              Hearing safe is the only decibel standard worth hitting. That's trivial on a 45. Trying to minmax to get Hollywood quiet is gay. There's ways to do that but they are either autistic or a fricking 22.
              >post ammoseek
              Yeah cause that's the same thing as walking into any gun store in the country and knowing you can buy it. Guess you're fine as long as you already have the ammo on hand.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >he says as he posts a stock image of a suppressor

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >9mm is nothing compared to 45 in suppression characteristics. Objectively of the two rounds, the .45 is king.
        This is literally backwards. 9mm suppresses objectively better than 45. Stop spouting fuddlore.

        That said other anon is also a fricking moron, any handgun is 100% worth suppressing.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I'm a noob when it comes to this topic, but is a subsonic 9mm significantly quieter than a sub .45? If there is a notable difference (in excess of 1db) I can see your point, but if they are close in subsonic supression performance the .45 would surely take the cake, right? You must get much much more kinetic energy with a sub .45 than a sub 9mm. And I'm genuinely curious, but just a noob.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            it really depends on the suppressor but generally speaking .45 is louder and usually requires the suppressor to be 'wet' to get good sound suppression.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >good sound suppression
              Define that.
              Also suppressors on handguns is a larp anyway so this thread doesn't matter.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                good sound suppression = hearing safe.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                you're saying that .45 suppressors usually have to be wet to be hearing safe? someone fact check

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >you're saying that .45 suppressors usually have to be wet to be hearing safe? someone fact check
                nta but exact numbers would be useful. It definitely is not needed to get below 140dB raw, which is what a lot of the industry marketing calls "hearing safe" and the number I'd expect most people to mean when they say it. Personally I don't think that's low enough, that's merely the threshold of instantaneous permanent hearing damage from a single exposure. If you're doing a lot of training, particularly indoors, I think it's worth going much lower. So maybe anon means that. But .45 suppressors can do perfectly decently dry compared to anything else common. Not like normal 9mm shoots at 100dB or some super low shit either.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Also suppressors on handguns is a larp anyway so this thread doesn't matter.
                Honestly what makes you such a fricking moron about this stuff anon? Handgun suppression matters more than most, if there's one time when you're probably NOT going to even have the option to wear earpro it's in self-defense. Handguns are also what the majority of people train with the most.

                Cans are never "larp" anyway, they're basic simple safety devices. But if there's one place someone would want one and get a lot of practical use out of it, it'd be on a handgun.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Cans are never "larp" anyway, they're basic simple safety devices.
                I didn't say otherwise. You can't conceal them and rifles/shotguns are better for home defense and hunting. That covers 99.999999% of what civilians use guns for, therefore it's a larp.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >I didn't say otherwise.
                Replying to self. I mean cans themselves aren't a larp to clarify.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >You can't conceal them
                You definitely can, I have CC'd my maxim 9, though absolutely 100% it's also certainly more effort and less comfortable. Same as full size handgun vs micro compact, obviously most of the market prefers the latter. But you can get cans that are quite short particularly ones using wipes or gel, an aurora ii is 3.3 inches. My hope is that if the new stamp thing of taking <7 days proves to last it'll grow the market a lot and make people worry a lot less about reuse and sale, and in turn allow for an integral 380 option with minimal tradeoffs. That'd be really neat for CC.

                But even now it's doable, and some defense like innawoods vs bears doesn't involve CC at all. Long guns aren't good in that role, way too much weight merely for woods defense when hunting isn't intended.
                >and rifles/shotguns are better for home defense
                Sure in general, but that's not what a lot of people end up with.
                >and hunting
                Yeah absolutely, but again not what most of the pop is doing with guns. Sadly those who hunt have shrunk a lot.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >maxim 9
                that's an integrally suppressed handgun, not a suppressor. current technology prohibits suppressors from being concealed effectively
                >bear defense
                there's like ~30 bear attacks per year in a country of 320 million people:
                https://www.jacobspaulsen.com/personal/dont-trust-bear-stats-or-advice-27-us-bear-attacks-so-far-this-year

                that's covered in my '99.999..%'. if you can find me a single case where someone's defended themselves against a bear with a handgun having a suppressor attached, I'll be genuinely surprised.

                it's a larp

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >that's an integrally suppressed handgun, not a suppressor. current technology prohibits suppressors from being concealed effectively
                OAL is 10.75" long (9.5" in short config). A gemtech aurora ii suppressor is 3.3" long, decent compact hg options like a shield plus, hellcat or whatever are ~6" OAL, "current technology" definitely can do something decent even without the advantages integral offers. And as far as there not being integral options (Maxim 9 is ded) that's not tech just the shitty market. We'll see what happens if the wait times mostly vanish.
                >bears
                I've had 7 encounters two of which were hostile in 30 years. I've also had to shoot plenty of rabid animals (mostly porcupines or coons) on the farm, at least 2-5 every season. I'm glad I have a suppressed handgun.

                You do whatever you want though, seriously.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >wipe suppressors
                >*WIPE DISCLAIMER* BATFE considers wipes to be silencer parts. Because of this, the AURORA-II must be sent to GEMTECH for wipes to be replaced.
                >NOTE: The Aurora-II cannot be used with hollow point or expanding ammunition. These types of bullets can cause catastrophic damage to the suppressor and possible injuries.
                >shitty market
                please stop the cope
                >anecdote bear encounters
                statistics are superior, your anecdotes don't matter

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You stupid fricking homosexuals are always like this.
                >CURRENT TECHNOLOGY PROHIBITS
                >post tech that doesn't
                >THAT DOESN'T COUNT, GOALPOSTS MOVED
                >UH UR COPIN ;_;
                >ALSO MARKET IS IDENTICAL TO IF IT DIDN'T TAKE A YEAR I LOVE THE NFA IT DOESN'T HURT OUR RIGHTS AT ALL
                Yeah frick you.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >current technology prohibits
                >posts a handgun instead of a suppressor
                >posts a suppressor that can't use hollowpoints and has to change parts every few uses
                >drops bear anecdotes and seethes

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >posts a handgun instead of a suppressor
                It's a handgun I own and CC with that's got a suppressor on it, though permanently. It's no different than any other handgun+suppressor combo of equivalent length.
                >wahhh wipes muh hp
                HP isn't important screwdrivers work great, and if you have to use your gun while EDC who cares if you have to change parts afterwards? For training you can just swap to a training can. This is pure cope and seethe on your moronic part. And if you really want to whine that hard just pick something else. The Naughty 9 doesn't use wipes and is 4" long. There are plenty of highly compact cans out there already.

                You got absolutely btfo because you're a fat manlet and now are desperately goalpost shifting. Cope.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >just cc the equivalent of a mk23
                >just use shitty ammo
                >just don't train with what you'll actually use
                >just use an insanely thick suppressor
                >desperate and goalpost shifting even though the he's been saying the same thing and the technology still isn't there
                >the bears aren't mentioned anymore

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >>just cc the equivalent of a mk23
                Yes. Lose some weight.
                >>just use shitty ammo
                >underwood xds
                >shitty
                lmao at this fudd cope
                >>just don't train with what you'll actually use
                Skill issue.
                >noooooooo tech that is there doesn't count if I say it doesn't
                lol
                >bears
                Yeah I already won on that one, no need to beat you any harder :^)

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                in anons world anecdotes trump statistics and ccing a mk23 isn't a larp. also 'training' involves never using 'tech' until it's being used to defend your life in a close encounter.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >training on the same 9mm gun with a slightly larger can totally does nothing for you hitting a 6" target at <7yd guiz
                Oh, you're not just a nocans, you're a noguns. That explains everything. You may resume your seething now.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                if that's what training is to you, good luck.

              • 1 month ago
                Yukari

                you have a lot of opinions on things which are wrong

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >you're wrong
                ok

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Nice, you got one of those holsters too. Though I wish the guy I'm hoping will do a leather one for me would get back to me.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >it's muh heckin' live-action roleplay
                word have lost their meaning. millions must learn

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >but is a subsonic 9mm significantly quieter than a sub .45?
            It's not just that, it's more that you can do the same or somewhat better job with a much smaller, lighter can, or a significantly better job with an equal sized can. Seriously anon, just go look around compare cans and decibel measures from the exact same manufacturer. 9mm cans are all much lighter for the job, even ones rated for full auto.

            One aspect, and I'm not sure why it has stuck around as a meme so hard, is the "subsonic" part. It just doesn't matter that much until you're in the polishing stage so to speak, same as action. In two identical cartridges yeah subs will be quieter than supers, the supersonic crack isn't noiseless, but MOST (by an overwhelming amount) of the noise from firing a gun comes from the muzzle blast, period. 9mm has a case capacity of ~13gr H2O, .45 has a case capacity of ~26gr H2O, or almost exactly double. It's a lot more powder, out a bigger hole, in the same barrel length. There's just plain a lot more fricking gas (and potentially not fully burned powder) to deal with. That is way, way more important than the bullet in this kind of use.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        shut the frick up nocanz

        You're dumb. 45 ACP is straight up hearing safe to shoot in a handgun suppressor. I've done thousands of rounds. 9mm supersonic can be done, but it will hurt your ears so i don't.

        By the time you put a can on full sized pistol you may as well be running a subgun or a shorty AR so you don't have to deal with pistons and the tilting action. Silencer on a fixed barrel 22 is great though.

        https://i.imgur.com/ZjT8HWO.jpg

        >his gun isn't made for can use

        I've got a 92fs. Shoots great.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >his gun isn't made for can use

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    cgs nautilus
    ez lok

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You want the B&T MK23 suppressor, after that I’d say the Ti-Rant 45 just because it was the silencer issued with the MK24 handgun ie SOCOM’s HK45.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I'd also recommend the B&T if you're looking for a dedicated can, same baffle design as the KAC at 1/5 the price.
      Also weighs a little less than the KAC.
      I also have a few extra boosters for mine so I can use it with my USP tactical and 1911.
      Arms Unlimited has them for $799 last I checked.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I was given my firearms permit / lesson by Chinese American guy in 2000s when I was a kid.

    He had a MK23 and 22LR. He had two trainer pistol types, 22 LR pistols for girls. And Mk23 for guys lol. I shot the MK23 as a kid. Felt amazing.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    GSL Cobra-45

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You can't use anything but the B&T or KAC without voiding the gun's warranty anyway so why even ask, just use whatever you want if you don't care about your warranty being voided. Both those suck which you must know.

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