>Makes a shotgun whose only use case is making suicide easier

>Makes a shotgun whose only use case is making suicide easier
What were they thinking?

250 Piece Survival Gear First Aid Kit

LifeStraw Water Filter for Hiking and Preparedness

250 Piece Survival Gear First Aid Kit

  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >only use case
    While I agree it's impractical for most things it's a fun range toy.

    >what were they thinking
    It's a legal workaround for people who want an SBS.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      fpbp

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      this. I tossed a SBA 3, streamlight handguard on mine. Going to throw an RMR on it.

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Am I a joke to you?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >that skin color
      Yes. Yes you are a joke

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Woah pal, no racism outside of /b/. Clean it up jannies.

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    false it is also essential for the use of defending one’s dumpster

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I always wanted one with a brace stabilizer decked out for plinking. Too bad that I'm unemployed

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why don't you get a McJob

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    with nfa wait times down these have me itching to sbs one with a normal stock or even one of those over folder stocks. problem is I've heard conflicting statements on the stock mounting at the rear being incompatible with normal 500 furniture. anyone here got pics of the rear end of theirs with the stock off?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      What? It's literally a 590 receiver with a 14" barrel dude what possible reason would mossberg have to change the stock mounting method?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        see I'm pretty sure it's the same but it just takes one old man at the counter and now I have to find evidence.

        I don't know if the hardware is compatible or not but if you're willing to do the NFA paperwork you could buy the factory SBS with a standard receiver. It may even be cheaper since it transfers as an AOW which is only a $5 tax as opposed to the $200 for building one or building an SBS.

        that came to mind also but I see these things used on sale for $300 somewhat often and I like the strap on the pump

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >and I like the strap on the pump
          The factory SBS has the strap. I'm not sure what they cost though. I'm pretty sure Mossberg doesn't charge a lot for them but since they're a bit oddball dealers who carry them might charge a lot.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Pistol grip will always be cooler than turdshead

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              big cope. youre just swinging that silly thing around on a pistol grip while i im looking real cool

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          The strap will break off. I shot mine maybe a dozen times with full power buckshot before the strap just tore off

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I don't know if the hardware is compatible or not but if you're willing to do the NFA paperwork you could buy the factory SBS with a standard receiver. It may even be cheaper since it transfers as an AOW which is only a $5 tax as opposed to the $200 for building one or building an SBS.

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    > only use case
    There are so many examples of stockless shotguns being used for practical applications that this statement is laughable on its face.

    Why does the shockwave make people seethe so hard?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Why does the shockwave make people seethe so hard?
      They watch one (1) Ian McMoustache Remembered Firearms video and think they are offering fresh insight on <insert firearm>

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        ?si=JaJrGjzB7CsX01f-&t=97

        You can & ought to cheek it. You won't knock your teeth out. The form factor is very handy indoors, or in a vehicle, even more handy with a trigger hand retention loop.

        Speak of the closet libshit devil

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Eh, I think that's a bit disingenuous. The Wilson modded gun in that pic is much shorter than a shockwave. Same with the original Ithaca Stakeout that Tubbs had. Those can be concealed fairly easily. The shockwave is much longer, it is not anywhere near as concealable.

      And, what exactly is "practical" about that application exactly? I don't think many people are working witness protection jobs, and if they were they have much better weapons this day and age.

      >Why does the shockwave make people seethe so hard?
      I dunno. I think it's a cool gun, but it seems to attract a lot of stupidity.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >The Wilson modded gun in that pic is much shorter than a shockwave
        The Wilson WitPro 870s had 12.5" barrels, they were 24.5" OAL vs the Shockwave's 26.25" OAL with a 14" barrel. I'd argue it's a bit disingenuous to call less than two inches "much shorter."

        But the Witness Protection 870s are hardly the only example, they're just the most obvious one due to the grip.
        Here's another one. But again, there are a lot.

        Just because at some point in the last couple years every single wristlet bought into the "The ONLY guns you ever need are an AR15 and a Glock 19" neofudd movement we suddenly act like shotguns are completely unusable and suddenly don't work for anything, when the reality is a 12ga pump-action shotgun is maybe the single most versatile firearm on the planet and can work adequately (or often more than adequately) in a large number of roles even if it's not necessarily optimal for them.

        see I'm pretty sure it's the same but it just takes one old man at the counter and now I have to find evidence.
        [...]
        that came to mind also but I see these things used on sale for $300 somewhat often and I like the strap on the pump

        It's the same.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >12ga pump-action shotgun is maybe the single most versatile firearm on the planet
          Absolutely. But that's with a stock on it. Once you take the stock away it becomes a hell of a lot less useful. The most common uses for shotguns are hunting, clay sports, and home defense. Removing the stock makes the gun worse for all of those things. Significantly worse.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Pretty much this. Never seen the appeal. I’d take a sbs over it any day

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Taking the stock off makes it harder to shoot well while doing those things for sure, but again there are historical examples too numerous to count of people deciding the accuracy tradeoff was worth it for the shorter OAL. Usually these are applications where extreme close range use is expected.
            The ability to remove the stock and have a shorter firearm that loses no mechanical functionality is just another example of its versatility.

            Now again, I am not here arguing that it is an optimal gun, nor even a good gun, in every role it can be flexed into. Simply that it can and has been flexed into those roles and that again OP's assertion that the Mossberg Shockwave has "no use case" is patently moronic.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >but again there are historical examples too numerous to count
              Yes. But while "too numerous to count" it's still a tiny number compared to most shotgun uses and is thus insignificant. There are very few applications where a stockless shotgun is the optimal weapon, and I say that as a huge shotgun nerd and AOW collector.

              >Simply that it can and has been flexed into those roles and that again OP's assertion that the Mossberg Shockwave has "no use case" is patently moronic
              Would it trigger your autism less if we said "no OPTIMAL use case"? That sort of thing is generally understood but sometimes it helps to be extra clear.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >I say that as a huge shotgun nerd and AOW collector.
                Neat, may we see them?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I don't have many pics on hand but here's a couple.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous
              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Can I join your crew captain? I’ve always wanted to be a pirate.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                2nd left isn't an AOW tho is it?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                If you don’t have a Blackbeard set up similar to this I’m going to be disappointed in you

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Please buy a pirate flag…

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                nice ultimatum deliverer

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Would it trigger your autism less if we said "no OPTIMAL use case"?
                Yeah I think that's a much more reasonable statement to make, and I still wouldn't agree that it's necessarily true especially given that, if nothing else, even organizations with literally unlimited budgets still haven't found a better way to blow hinges off of locks than a stockless shotgun. But we can agree to disagree there I think.
                >That sort of thing is generally understood but sometimes it helps to be extra clear.
                The amount of times I have had conversations with ledditors, noguns here, and just general dunning-krueger types who unironically call Ian McCollum "gun jesus" scream at me that the guns like the Mossberg Shockwave are literally useless would belie your point but sure, let's pretend anonymous discussion forums leave plenty of room for nuance as a matter of course lmao

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >I still wouldn't agree that it's necessarily true...
                You made it untrue when you changed my word "few" to the word "no".

                >blow hinges off locks
                I think you meant doors rather than locks. But so what? The underlying question is the practicality of these guns. How often does the average Joe need to blast hinges? This is like saying that Moen faucet cartridge removal tools are practical because nobody has found better ways to remove Moen faucet cartridges. Well, maybe we care if we're SWAT or we're a plumber who has to service a lot of Moens. But the average person doesn't find either practical.

                >scream at me that they are literally useless
                It took me a long time to learn this, but nobody actually believes that even though they type the words out. It's internet hyperbole.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >You made it untrue when you changed my word "few" to the word "no".
                Anon you should reread your post, you literally said

                >but again there are historical examples too numerous to count
                Yes. But while "too numerous to count" it's still a tiny number compared to most shotgun uses and is thus insignificant. There are very few applications where a stockless shotgun is the optimal weapon, and I say that as a huge shotgun nerd and AOW collector.

                >Simply that it can and has been flexed into those roles and that again OP's assertion that the Mossberg Shockwave has "no use case" is patently moronic
                Would it trigger your autism less if we said "no OPTIMAL use case"? That sort of thing is generally understood but sometimes it helps to be extra clear.

                >Would it trigger your autism less if we said "no OPTIMAL use case"?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                My bad, I was focused on when I wrote "There are very few applications where a stockless shotgun...."
                That's my frickup for sure.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        There’s like a 2-3” difference. That’s insignificant with something of that size. You wouldn’t say a G19 is concealable but a G17 is impossible to conceal. This isn’t a A2 vs a mk18.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Why does the shockwave make people seethe so hard?
      it's recoilets sour grapes.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      They were basically used as props in these govt photo ops.

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The only suicide it makes easier is assisted suicide of dumpster robbing shitheels

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Rest in piss, you wienersmoker Aaron. You were a Black person to your dying breath.
      Captcha:0sry

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    They had you in mind, OP.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      And I’m surely grateful to them for it, but that’s still only a single sale and no return business

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    probably about suicide

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous
  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I don't like stock less shotguns because I'm a limp wristed puss

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The easiest sbs conversion of your life, sorry your brain immediately thinks about killing itself. You should probably fix that.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      cant you put a brace on it?

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    yeah people are definitely paying the cost of these just to shoot themselves.

    i won one in 20ga for $200 before the coof. its just fun

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous
  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >What were they thinking?
    We want to get a large share of the Russian mobik market

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >It's a material improvement on almost anything you use a shotgun for that isn't birds or deer
    You forgot clay sports, home defense, and standard military/police use. And I think it's fair to say that list is "most things".

    >I can list like 7 without even trying
    Let's hear them. I'm betting for most of them the optimum isn't even a shotgun of any flavor, let alone this configuration of one.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Let's hear them
      home defense
      dumpster defence
      drivebys
      crowd control
      breaching
      CQB
      varmint/pitbull control

  17. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    its for hip firing at dark figures down your trailer hallway at 4am

  18. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Jokes aside is the Tac 15 any good? Thinking of getting a used one and throwing a brace on it

  19. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I like mine

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      they come with a waterproof tube? thats really cool

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        The JIC (just in case) version does; so you can bury it or hide it somewhere.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          https://i.imgur.com/d5jdf0M.jpg

          I like mine

          didn't the original stainless JIC come with a pistol grip? did you switch it out for the birb's head?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            No, it came with the bird's head. Putting a pistol grip on it makes it technically too short

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              you can put the knoxx pistol grip on it if you want, it's long enough to keep it over 27". Also it actually mitigates recoil pretty well.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                +1
                Totally legal too, it's great.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >wasatch arm comp
          Does it work or just aesthetic really ?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          https://i.imgur.com/d5jdf0M.jpg

          I like mine

          im not sure i trust that container for as long as id trust a big section of pvc

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Uhh, it IS PVC anon.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              NYA, perhaps, but it's much thinner than a PVC pipe you'd get from a hardware store.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      they come with a waterproof tube? thats really cool

      >waterproof tube
      In case you really need to lose them in a boating accident.

  20. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Was thinking of uh, point blank engagements with a Shockwave. Does the shorter barrel make a difference in effectiveness? And would buck or slugs be better?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      the barrel is only 14 inches so it's not a big deal within 50 yards the problem is aiming without a stock so slugs might not be the best choice. before I traded mine I had #4 buck in 3" shells loaded in it to sorta make up for not being able to aim properly.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Does the shorter barrel make a difference in effectiveness?
      14" shotgun barrel velocity and spread are nearly the same as an equivalent 18", if that's what you mean.
      The memes about sawed off shotguns spreading everywhere are mostly based on getting a smoothbore when you cut off a choke. Though if you go REALLY short, <6", you can get a crazy spread.

  21. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >complaining about company who sells product to people who have money to spend
    I'll do what I want, frick you very much.

  22. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    looks cool

  23. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Demonstrated Concepts has kinda sold me on the Shockwave, and even the ,22 snub

  24. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >What were they thinking?
    It looks cool. That's literally it. Anyone saying it is better in any way is moronic. If you want to shoot a shotgun from the hip, you just shoot a shotgun from the hip. It doesn't matter if it has a stock. You just don't raise it, pocket it, or aim it from your shoulder to shoot it. You just shoot it. But, since you have a stock on a normal shotgun, you can raise it, pocket it, and aim from your shoulder if you want to. It's literally the dumbest thing fricking ever. But, again, I'm perfectly fine happy to admit it looks cool.

  25. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Make the single bullet they need VERY expensive

  26. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >all these people crying about it being hard to aim
    You guys know you can just slap a SBA3 and pistol grip on the Shockwave, right?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >SBA3 and pistol grip on the Shockwave
      Putting that shit on it isike scraping the peanut butter and jelly off the sandwich and just eating the bread, you're intentionally making a great thing into a pile of crap because you're too stupid to know better

  27. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I could see some use in one of these if it had a folding stock and a longer barrel.

  28. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    a shotgun whose only use case is making suicide easier
    Based.

  29. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    People were making these DIY before they were manufactured in this configuration. Take a pistol grip "firearm", a birdshead grip, and you had to order the barrel directly from Mossberg.
    Mossberg kicked off a trend by noticing this and starting to produce them.

  30. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >What were they thinking?
    Frick you wienersucker!

  31. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Frick i want to larp duke nukem with laser sight so bad.

Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *