Make Russia win

If you were sent back in time to 3 months before the start of the invasion, with all the hindsight of the state of the Russian and Ukrainian armies, and you were tasked with attaining the most favorable outcome for Russia how would you organize the invasion?
Total victory over Ukraine is obviously preferable but if you do not believe it can be achieved then downscaling of goals is allowed.

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  1. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >conduct exercises on the border of Ukraine
    >go home
    >accuse the western world of being paranoid jackasdrd that irrationally hate russia

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      I simply wouldn’t invade. It would make the US and UK look like war mongering clowns, and a successful invasion is beyond the capacity of Russian logistics. Making the west look like clowns will reinforce the good will that Zelensky (the moderate Russian speaking candidate) and Germany have for Russia, which will help me negotiate for reduced sanctions and for the opening of NS2.

      This. Russia had a geopolitical victory sitting right there on a silver platter, but Putin chimped out and guaranteed his country will be an inconsequential backwater Chinese vassal state for at least a couple generations.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >conduct exercises on the border of Ukraine
        >go home
        >accuse the western world of being paranoid jackasdrd that irrationally hate russia

        I simply wouldn’t invade. It would make the US and UK look like war mongering clowns, and a successful invasion is beyond the capacity of Russian logistics. Making the west look like clowns will reinforce the good will that Zelensky (the moderate Russian speaking candidate) and Germany have for Russia, which will help me negotiate for reduced sanctions and for the opening of NS2.

        Crimea 2.0. Essentially only securing Luganda and Donbabwe. The West would have rolled over and only imposed token sanctions (if that) and Russia could start laying the groundwork for taking another slice of Ukraine down the line. Basically gambling small and risking little instead of gambling big and losing big.

        [...]
        >In strictly practical terms, Russia should not have invaded Ukraine.
        Not to mention with the Separatists and Crimea there was no chance in hell Ukraine would ever join NATO and I refuse to believe that Putin didn't know this.
        Also from what I've heard they could have quite easily have promoted some sort of deal where LDNR reintegrate into Ukraine with some sort of special status, which would grant Russia an easy gateway into Ukraine's internal politics, having puppets that could essentially veto everything Russia doesn't like

        Ukraine turned off fresh water supply for Crimea
        The landbridge is the only way they get a "victory" out of this, but now they embarrassed themselves too much.

        Could have built some water pipes instead of invading you fricking morons.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Sure, but in OPs scenario we only have 3 months to fix a plethora of problems some reaching a lot farther than just the military.
          So going for a political victory and exposing the West as bloodthirsty dogs of war is the best I can do on short notice to be honest

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            3 months? 30 years are more appropiate

            They could have shifted the lines hundreds of miles and had way better theater control if they had just done a few things differently. It would still be heavy losses in people and equipment but they had a lot more to show for it.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              Well, the easiest change would be planning and executing the whole thing as war, instead of a very special operation, I agree with that one.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Without giving any major fixes away, if they had just used a handful of ICs to verify equipment readiness to trim a bit of the fat that blitz might have worked. Even if it didn't they might have been able to connect to some of their VDV units and pull out instead of suffering the massive attrition they did. They would have had actual resupply and fuel instead of shit breaking down and blocking entire columns.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Without giving any major fixes away
                Why are you guarding your actual ideas like they're nuclear launch codes? They already fricked up the invasion dude, your suggestions are worthless.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Because they can still be implemented and I don't want to help vatniks

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Very reasonable fellow moderate, have a good day.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Ukraine turned off fresh water supply for Crimea
          They turned it off in fricking 2014, Russia had eight fricking years to think of an alternative

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          they built the largest bridge in Europe
          they could have build the longest waterpipe or a desalination plant
          it would be far cheaper than what they got going now

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          they built the largest bridge in Europe
          they could have build the longest waterpipe or a desalination plant
          it would be far cheaper than what they got going now

          They did build water pipes, but the throughput was not enough to make up for losing the canal
          One of the key reasons they invaded in 2022 was unironically because that was when the water in Crimea was scheduled to run out (i.e not enough to keep everyone supplied even with the pipes).
          CaspianReport predicted the invasion all the way back in 2020 on this basis

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Ukraine turned off fresh water supply for Crimea
          in 2014 you sperg

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      this with a slight variation if the invasion MUST happen: Basically just do pretend invasions all the way to the border for the three months.
      rotate equipment and logistics around like you're playing a shell game. You know NATO/US is watching you like a hawk, so you want to confuse them and after 3 months of crying wolf about "muh russians" you might be able to take advantage of the complacency.

      But really you should go back in time to 2014 and finish off Ukraine then.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >and finish off Ukraine then.
        They tried. They got stopped by football hooligans.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      I simply wouldn’t invade. It would make the US and UK look like war mongering clowns, and a successful invasion is beyond the capacity of Russian logistics. Making the west look like clowns will reinforce the good will that Zelensky (the moderate Russian speaking candidate) and Germany have for Russia, which will help me negotiate for reduced sanctions and for the opening of NS2.

      This. You not only save Russian lives and make the west look like warmongers, but Putin gets to go down in history as their master machiavellian leader.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      only way
      the whole invasion was based around shock and awe and Ukrainians not willing to fight (and boi were they wrong)
      there are no gains that could even potentially justify the losses following a full blown war

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      This 100%. If allowed to go back only three months not invading at all would be the way to get most favorable outcome for Russia. If allowed to go back at least 20 years and use the opportunity to start getting rid of corruption instead of feeding it, there might be an actual chance of turning Russia as something functional.

  2. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    capture lviv before the poles

  3. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I simply wouldn’t invade. It would make the US and UK look like war mongering clowns, and a successful invasion is beyond the capacity of Russian logistics. Making the west look like clowns will reinforce the good will that Zelensky (the moderate Russian speaking candidate) and Germany have for Russia, which will help me negotiate for reduced sanctions and for the opening of NS2.

  4. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    The only way for russia to win is for them to launch their invasion in 2014, 3 months is far too short a timeframe to actually make any changes

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Russia couldn't even take the whole Donbass in 2014.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Nope, Russian logistics in 2014 couldn't have supported a larger intervention than they did. They spent nearly a decade trying to unfrick their logistics and still failed.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      People seem to forget that Maidan was more or less a surprise for Russia as well.
      They obviously had the annexation of Crimea planned to carry out at an opportune moment. The fact that Russia had a military presence right in Sevastopol already made it pretty easy.
      That wasn't the case in Lugansk and Donetsk though. Seeing how well the annexation of Crimea worked, the Kremlin tried to pull the same in the Donbass, but relied more on local collaborateurs, since they didn't exactly mobilize a large force there.
      The number of Russian soldiers there was relatively small until the end of 2014, when Ukraine retook control of most areas.
      Even after that, Russia invaded with a relatively small forcebecause larger troop movements like before the invasion in 2022 would have erased any benefit of the doubt that this wasn't just local militias, PMCs and Russian nationalists on vacation.
      Russia would have had to gather their forces at the Ukrainian border and somehow strongarm Belarus, which at this point may as well have refused Russian troops entry. Remember, Russia was only abke to stage their offensive through Belarus, because Putin saved Lukashenkos ass.
      At that point the reaction of the west may have played out just the same as in 2022.

  5. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    You cannot win, the problem is systemic rot
    Get this through your moronic skull, the problem wasn't any one strategy or blunder that could have been corrected
    The problem is an endemic culture of laziness, thievery, backstabbing, and blame-shifting

    Give me 3 decades and the ability to fundamentally up-end the government and education system, and maybe I could win you a war. 3 months being allowed to only fix the military is nothing.

  6. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Crimea 2.0. Essentially only securing Luganda and Donbabwe. The West would have rolled over and only imposed token sanctions (if that) and Russia could start laying the groundwork for taking another slice of Ukraine down the line. Basically gambling small and risking little instead of gambling big and losing big.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      All the best Ukrainian units were in the Donbas at the start of the war though, it would have been a slaughter if they tried to break through head on.
      The Russians were able to drive in hundreds of kilometers into Ukraine relatively unopposed by simply choosing other directions.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      that's pretty much the current conflict.

      russia couldve ended the war during its "gesture of good will." basically go in, raze a few cities, declare denazification mission accomplished, then pretend nothing happened, but still hold a parade on the anniversary of securing Mariupol. forget everything about annexing territory.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        how fricking stupid are you
        go eat burger you diabetic frick

  7. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Say you've nooks.
    hundred times more and they'll believe you've nooks.
    >in before you're telling the big lie

  8. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Give banan to putin.

    >t banan

  9. 11 months ago
    Anonymous
  10. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    No pussyfooting, don't treat it as a small operation but a full scale blitzkrieg war from the beginning. Russia should've declared a no-fly zone over Ukraine, shot down any planes sending aid or Ukrainian women fleeing. Parachute in units to the Western border to stop any aid from getting in and also stop the women from fleeing. This is an extreme measure that would require incredible support, but we have the Belarusian border to invade from so it makes the entire north of Ukraine vulnerable. The majority of the invasion would come from the northwest, Ukraine's puppet government would be cut off almost entirely from outside aid, and all their women are trapped and complaining to end the war instead of whoring it up in the West and remotely egging on the men who are dying on the frontlines. They would be on the frotlines forced to see the war and desire to sue for peace instead.

  11. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I’d invade a smaller and stupider eastern country so all the corruption, incompetence, and chop shop’d arsenal would be exposed and could undergo reform. Then I’d try again once I knew logistics were more stable and pallets were issued. I’d also send the crappy old stuff to the frontlines during the initial blitz even if only as a decoy.

  12. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Stage 1:
    Organize the SMO just like it went down in real life right up to the point where tanks start rolling across the Ukrainian border.
    >Stage 2:
    Conduct an audit of every single unit down to the squad level. Does everyone have the equipment they say they should? Are our medical supplies as well stocked as they should be? Do fuel levels at least vaguely correspond? Immediately punish those most culpable- we're still Russia, so execution is on the table. Make sure to punish those culpable, not the ones reporting the discrepancies.
    >Stage 3:
    Sell off our Soviet stocks at firesale prices and focus hard on a relatively small, professional, armored force. Spend at least half a decade aggressively cross training with both internal OpFor and China on as high a tempo as we can afford as we're doing this. If your unit isn't training or on mandated R&R, you're doing genuine humanitarian missions in Crimea.
    >Stage 4
    Turn Crimea into a fortress and develop those petroleum reserves as much as possible. Open cross-training to other countries we want to court as allies or vassals- primarily those in Africa or SEA, as well as CSTO. Enforce the same anti-corruption and professional standards we've established internally.

    >but that's not an invasion of Ukraine!
    In strictly practical terms, Russia should not have invaded Ukraine.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >conduct exercises on the border of Ukraine
      >go home
      >accuse the western world of being paranoid jackasdrd that irrationally hate russia

      >In strictly practical terms, Russia should not have invaded Ukraine.
      Not to mention with the Separatists and Crimea there was no chance in hell Ukraine would ever join NATO and I refuse to believe that Putin didn't know this.
      Also from what I've heard they could have quite easily have promoted some sort of deal where LDNR reintegrate into Ukraine with some sort of special status, which would grant Russia an easy gateway into Ukraine's internal politics, having puppets that could essentially veto everything Russia doesn't like

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Also from what I've heard they could have quite easily have promoted some sort of deal where LDNR reintegrate into Ukraine with some sort of special status, which would grant Russia an easy gateway into Ukraine's internal politics, having puppets that could essentially veto everything Russia doesn't like
        that was Minsk and it was unpopular in Ukraine and they didnt agree precisely because of that

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          this. but also to add, Russia was supposed to withdraw their forces and allow real elections in the dumbass as part of the deal, which would undermine their ability to use it as a tool to control Ukraine. So Russia did not follow their end and Ukraine backed out on their side as well.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Conduct an audit
      Your reports already say that everything is fine. To make sure, you delegate it to those you consider your most capable people and the reports come in that everything is fine.

      >Enforce the same anti-corruption and professional standards we've established internally
      How do you do this? Your wealth and that of all your underlings stem from corruption. What are their incentives?

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Your reports already say that everything is fine.
        Reasonable.
        >To make sure, you delegate it to those you consider your most capable people and the reports come in that everything is fine.
        Unreasonable, I get to decide how the audit is structured. Demobilize the force on a platoon by platoon basis, in person with the team, and publicly punish any member of the auditing team that accidentally exaggerates a unit's readiness. Punishment ranges from a public reprimand for oversights minor enough to be a genuine accident to public execution for telling me this tank has ERA instead of egg cartons strapped to it.
        >How do you do this?
        I'm not going to lie, I personally am not an anti-corruption expert, however such reforms have been conducted in other nations and it seems a bit silly to imply that what has been surmountable elsewhere is an immutable fact of Russian administration no matter what.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      the same anti-corruption and professional standards we've established internally
      These standards are exactly why the Russian nation is a clusterfrick from top to bottom in the first place. The audit -- to have any hope of working -- would have to be done by some incorruptible outside group, immune to coercion and given absolute power.

      So, ideally Switzerland should conquer Russia, execute every govt/military bureaucrat above the rank of dog-catcher....and then to be safe execute all the ones below the rank of dogcatcher.
      Then exterminatus protocol the fricking place and don't stop until there are no orkoids left on Earth.

      Then, maybe, MAYBE you can start Phase 2.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Conduct an audit of every single unit down to the squad level.
      Do you think in real life it was reported that russian army is in poor condition?
      >Immediately punish those most culpable
      Congrats, you just added like 90% of your high ranking military personal to the punish list.
      >Sell off our Soviet stocks at firesale prices and focus hard on a relatively small, professional, armored force.
      Now you don't have your shitty stocks and you can't build the new military neither since you're a corrupt shithole decades behind the US economically and technologically.
      >Spend at least half a decade aggressively cross training
      Your enemy doesn't sleep while you progress.
      Also, what do you think were your military doing before? Smoking pipes?
      >Turn Crimea into a fortress and develop those petroleum reserves as much as possible
      And they did.
      >Open cross-training to other countries we want to court as allies or vassals- primarily those in Africa or SEA, as well as CSTO.
      Do you think they agree? Also, that's funny you mentioned CSTO, one of which members already declined to participate in joint training exercises.
      >Enforce the same anti-corruption and professional standards we've established internally.
      Except that russia is one of the most corrupt countries in the world...
      It seems to me you have even more delusions about muighty puccia than the russian gov.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Do you think in real life it was reported that russian army is in poor condition?
        The OP states we're operating with the benefit of hindsight.
        >Congrats, you just added like 90% of your high ranking military personal to the punish list.
        Yes.
        >Now you don't have your shitty stocks and you can't build the new military neither since you're a corrupt shithole decades behind the US economically and technologically.
        Good, at least we've got more cash and fewer liabilities now to begin addressing those things.
        >Your enemy doesn't sleep while you progress.
        The West was absolutely militarily complacent when it comes to Russia as a threat prior to the invasion. Even if they weren't this isn't a good reason not to improve.
        >Also, what do you think were your military doing before? Smoking pipes?
        Given their performance to date, rape, theft, and alcoholism.
        >And they did.
        Over a much shorter timeline than I'm proposing.
        >Do you think they agree?
        Right now? No. Pre-invasion, in a world where Russia has spent the last 5-10yrs reducing corruption, modernizing, and doing humanitarian missions? I'm willing to bet some of them.
        >Except that russia is one of the most corrupt countries in the world...
        Almost like anti-corruption reforms were emphasized for a reason.
        >It seems to me you have even more delusions about muighty puccia than the russian gov.
        The premise of the whole thread is a hypothetical exercise, delusion is an important part of any good hypothetical.

  13. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I would have waited till the ground hardened. I would have had two axes of attack, one coming up from Crimea and one going to Kiev from the Chernihiv direction. I wouldn't have even bothered moving on Mariupol until I could outflank them from the south. I wouldn't have bothered crossing the Dnipr to take Kherson, I would have focused on trying to get behind the main Ukrainian defense lines in Donbass/Luhansk.
    Two axes would have allowed me to concentrate my forces better so I could advance securing my flanks and lines of supply as I go. I would have had multiple echelons of troops, so when I bypassed Ukrainian strongpoints they could be mopped up by the next echelon and not been free to frick with my supply lines.
    I think Russia could probably have won if they'd taken the war more seriously from the beginning and not gone
    >HURRR Ukrainians won't fight us because.... they just won't ok!

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Ukrainians won't fight us because.... they just won't ok!
      IIRC the FSB bribed a lot of people in the Ukrainian administration to let the Russian army in without a fight.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Where would you possibly have heard that?

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Probably from this report
          https://static.rusi.org/202303-SR-Unconventional-Operations-Russo-Ukrainian-War-web-final.pdf.pdf

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Fascinating read, thanks for posting.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              yw
              someone else posted it when it was published and I thought I'd share it on. Their other reports are also supposed to be quite good, but I haven't gotten to those yet

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        They were intended to bribe their way in. What actually happened is they just pocketed the money and reported bullshit back to putin.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          except the guys in the South did actually let the Russians in

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          There is a neat quote from

          Probably from this report
          https://static.rusi.org/202303-SR-Unconventional-Operations-Russo-Ukrainian-War-web-final.pdf.pdf

          on that topic
          >Nevertheless, Moscow’s decision to proceed without the necessary preconditions suggests two things: first, that Russia’s agents were exaggerating their influence on the Ukrainian state; and, second, that the Russian special services had been ordered to facilitate an occupation to a timeline, not to assess its viability. In other words, that the next phase of Russia’s plan proceeded even though the previous phase had not yet succeeded speaks to a command-driven process from the top and an institutional culture of following orders rather than the provision of honest advice from Russia’s special services to the executive

  14. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Do I have to "win" as in "defeat Ukraine" or "win" as in "in hindsight this will be best for Russia"

    Because I could just launch everything I have indiscriminately day one and invade with my nations entire military killing everything it sees, and that would probably "beat" Ukraine but also probably cost me far more than I could possibly gain.

  15. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I would go back and make it so they frick up even harder.

  16. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >build time machine
    >convince mongols to burn muscovy to the ground instead of accepting tribute.

  17. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Is postponing it by 10-20 years and completely gutting the military chain of command an option?

  18. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    No matter what, even with time travel ruzzia will never win eve, they are too shit and too stupid to function like a 1st world country so they need to ape out to show their dumb folks how strong they are lol just to fail miserably every fricking time, it's unironically over. Frick russia and frick ziggers and frick you too vatnik shit.

  19. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    There were inexpensive and easy to implement things that would have changed the entire course of the war. I'm not going to say what they are. It was their hubris that made them miss these easy solutions. It would require almost no doctrine change to actual structing .

  20. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    3 months? 30 years are more appropiate

  21. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >tasked with attaining the most favorable outcome for Russia
    In descending order of favorability:
    >stage a coup and attempt to reconstruct the cycle of abuse that is Russia (though it would probably require well-intentioned foreign management to prevent all the rot from carrying over, in the style of postwar Japan)
    If it has to be favorable for Putin and friends too:
    >build up military forces on the border for a """training exercise""" (as actually happened)
    >US/UK authorities see this and doompost about an imminent invasion (as actually happened)
    >just turn around and go home as you assured everyone you would, declaring the training exercise a success
    >Russia comes out looking like the rational side while anglo intelligence seems like paranoid warmongers
    >NATO continues to weaken as people increasingly see you as less of a threat (and therefore see less need for having it at all)
    >wait a while longer for a far easier invasion in the future
    If we had to actually invade on the same date:
    >only occupy Donbabwe and Luganda instead of trying to rush the capital
    >military has an easier time holding captured territory simply because there's less of it (also some of the locals might be more supportive)
    >logistics doesn't get overstretched
    >easier to justify internationally (relative to what they actually did) because it's more consistent with the existing narrative that you're only looking out for these regions' self-determination and totally won't start this shit all over again with new seperatist movements on your new borders

  22. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Get every airframe, especially helicopters, most especially transport helicopters, ready. Personally inspect readiness and execute any individuals guilty of corruption. Throw absolutely as many dudes into helicopters as possible for the air assault into kiev and have those helicopters keep bringing waves of dudes until the armored group relieves them or all airframes go down. Hopefully mop up resistance after that, get ready for an insurgency that looks like afghanistan x10.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >execute any individuals guilty of corruption
      You now have no army.

  23. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's gonna take more than 3 months to fix that shitshow

  24. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I would embezzle all of Russia’s military modernization funds and impregnate every hooker in Ukraine. In a couple generations, my descendants would genetically conquer their nation.

  25. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    This is the same question as when people ask how the Axis could’ve won in WW2 after America showed up. It’s pretty much impossible and any single “fix” is not enough to make victory a probably outcome.
    Russia could’ve won by just being nice to Ukraine and letting pro-Russians enter office over time. Even Zelensky was on the fence with Russia before the invasion. Monke threw it all away for a Zerg rush.

  26. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >3 months to fix 3 decades worth of rot
    I spend 3 months embezzling funds and then escape to Panama

  27. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Make Russia win
    But why?

  28. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Armatures talk strategy
    Professionals study logistics
    It is too late Sergei, it was always too late

  29. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Russia has taken significant territory from the puppet state. It has decimated the Ukie population (their women will never return after their pampering in the West) and shattered its infrastructure. Sure, Russia has taken severe casualties but it doesn’t matter to them. Lives are expendable, they’re just tools. That’s what Americans don’t seem to understand and that’s why you’ve lost 3 wars in the past 50yrs.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Russia has taken significant territory
      such as Izium and Kherson no doubt

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      What a moron.
      Trashing a country like a Downsy doesn't add up to victory. Russian has no theory of victory now, they're utterly mauled and spent.
      The US didn't lose Vietnam, Iraq or Afghanistan militarily in the way Russia is being curb stomped now by the Ukies.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >(their women will never return after their pampering in the West)
      Most of them already have.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Agreeing with all the others who said "Don't invade". Not the entirety of Ukraine anyway. Focus entirely on trying to strengthen the of Crimea, LPR, DPR and stop there. Let Ukraine be the ones to go on the offensive, if they can.
      The ONLY way Russia was going to achieve all of their objectives was if they knew the full picture of both their own strength and the opposition's resolve. And that was never going to happen within a state full of corrupt yes-men.
      Putin & co. saw the US fumble in Afghanistan and thought that meant 'surely Russia is strong and NATO is weak.' The countered that fumble with the faceplant of the century.

      So all Russia gained in this war are: a pile of bodies, barren land, international condemnation and begging other shitholes for aid.

  30. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Easy.
    Invade Kazakhstan.
    Checkmate NATO trannies.

  31. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >mr Putin I am from the future, I wa-
    Shoot that man.

  32. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Remember how in late March of last year Russian and Ukrainian diplomats met in Turkey and were discussing a peace deal, with Ukraine offering to hand over the land corridor to Crimea? At the time the Russians were demanding an unconditional surrender so the peace talks fell through.
    Go back in time, give all of those diplomats a massive smack, and tell them to take the deal.

  33. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Zelenskyy was literally asking for a ceasefire at the beginning.
    If Putin wasn't such a gigantic princess homosexual, he could've got Donbass and landbridge in the bag and the stupid war would be over already.

    Instead he told zelenskyy to frick off and here we are.

  34. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Best option
    Don't invade. The pre war strategic position of Russia was superior and you wouldn't want to sacrifice that. Pump a lot of money into Donbas and Crimea to make the people there better off than the Ukrainians for propaganda purposes. Use political leverage in Europe to pressure Ukraine into providing full water access to Crimea and Donetzk. You win.

    >3 months
    Thats too short of a timer to subastantially improve your situation. Kharkiv/Sumy/Chernihiv axis need substantially more infantry to perform proper deep battle against defense in depth. Vehicles need to be properly serviced and equipped prior to invasion. Use militarized police units as rear area and convoy security rather than sending them to the front.
    In total, you will need about 25k additional combat troops, predominately infantry and about 15k additional support troops.
    At 0 hour, put everything in the air that you have and lob every cruise missle you can find at every target in Ukraine.After that, fly a substantially more aggressive air campaign, even if that means another 50 planes lost.

    Practically you would need 6-9 months to fix most of the flaws of the Russian planning and preparation. Odds are that Russia still fails to achieve success in the roughly 3 months time before western aid really gets rolling.

  35. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >attaining the most favorable outcome for Russia
    Assassinating Putin and his cronies would be the first step.

  36. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Russia was always guaranteed to lose. It's not even something that could have been prevented in the last three or five years. The only way Russia could have ever "won" in Ukraine was simply by the following:
    >2014
    >Maidan Revolution happens
    >Russia does not takeover Crimea and does not attempt several pro-Russian revolutions around the country via the FSB.
    >Russia instead just sits back and watches the fireworks.
    >Let Ukraine meltdown and watch as several democratically elected governments collapse from corruption and mismanagement.
    >Allow the Maidan Revolution to spoil into anger and mismanagement as several political faction attempt to take control.
    >Eventually you'll be able to turn Ukraine into a banana republic, and be able to do whatever you want from the inside.
    This was the logical path.
    Instead, Russia decided to take Crimea, which gave the people of Ukraine a rallying cry to support a singular anti-Russian faction. They overtly propped up separatist in East Ukraine, and came to their aid on several occasions. In turn, Ukraine's military was forced to reform and modernize away from Soviet moronation. Ukraine also had 8 years to go through with this and because of this they were able to build a sizeable pool of combat trained veterans, most of which ended up training the TDF groups which were the first responders of the initial invasion.

    Everything Russia has done since 2014, is nothing short of sheer stupidity on a geopolitical and military level.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Just a reminder that before Putin went full monke, Ukraine had a 90% positive view of Russia. Putin literally took Russia's best friend and turned it into an enemy for at LEAST the next two generations.
      Never go full monke.

  37. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    This whole thread is a mess of moronation and incoherent Reddit tier propaganda gibberish.
    This war went the way it did for a simple reason, the Russian high command believed that the Ukrainians had low morale, and that their people were sane enough to understand that thing a would be roughly the same regardless of who ends up running the corrupt shithole. Europeans and Americans have zero economic interests in the country beyond the immediate geopolitical and strategic benefits of denying the Russians access. It is not a stretch to say that the Russians actually believed the Ukrainians would perceive themselves and occupied people. If I were to compare it to some relevant contemporaries, think of the central provinces of Canada, like Alberta, where there is a strong and separate identity, with an economy once largely dependent on oil production. A central government that is beholden to a foreign power on the other side of the ocean(China) that has no financial or geopolitical prevented the construction of pipelines that would have cheaply supplied the US and her allies in Asia.
    There is a very small but extremely vocal minority of Canadians that would prefer to be annexed into the United States, even as non-voting territories, rather than remain under the control of Ottawa. They have repeatedly voted for increasingly secessionist laws and policies, and are even passing “sovereignty acts” that flat out defy federal decrees. If some jingoistic type with delusions of grandeur wanted to revive Manifest Destiny, it wouldn’t be too hard to convince himself that ALL of Canada would just roll over and accept it. The only difference being that Canada has maybe 50k useful troops and the Ukrainians had 600k

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >This whole thread is a mess of moronation and incoherent Reddit tier propaganda gibberish.
      He said before proceeding to gibber incoherently and fail to make any actual points.

      Good job, homosexual. Your ESL is so terrible I can't even tell what points you're trying to make aside from Russia has some kind fo right to take over it's neighbours because they're "corrupt shitholes".

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Black person tier waste of digits.
        >didn’t even read any of what I said
        Black person are you just a GPT or just an unto reply?

  38. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Russia nukes Moscow
    >says it was HATO
    >invades Ukraine to stop HATO expansion
    >says they nuke HATO if they interfere
    >HATO too scared to help

  39. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Poll back all troops. Making the US look dumb.
    Than mobilize another 300k men.
    Train the air force a bit better and use it much more massively in the first few weeks even if it means quite a bit of plane losses.

    Than only launch a much smaller feint towards Kiev just to distract the Ukrainian and lunch many offensives all along the rest of the border.

    Objective is everything east of Dnieper.

    Than proceed to entrench as hard as possible, declare victory and offer the EU some fricking great energy deals to broker a ceasefire.

    Clearly state that you won't advance further and formally create east Ukraine/west Ukraine before the west can fully react. Say that west Ukraine can join nato and EU if they wish, the buffer and natural resources have been secured And the Russian speakers are now safe.

    Don't annex east Ukraine. Bring back the ousted president yanukovich and declare east Ukraine the legitimate government of Ukraine.

    Do a complete media blackout in east Ukraine till any resistance is quelled and invest billions in propaganda and infrastructure development in east Ukraine.

  40. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    During the exercises, false-flag a Ukrainian unit pursuing a DPR unit over the Russian border and parade around a homeless cadaver in a border guard uniform riddled with bullet wounds. Annex the Republics and set up artillery to level the Ukrainian positions opposite them. Inflict minimal casualties and take almost none. Declare Russia a peacekeeper and engage in low-intensity, defensive trench warfare with all resources focused around a small, already militarised area. Kill off unfriendly/disloyal oligarchs and muzzle dissent back home. Deal with the US immediately and leak some details to make Biden look irrational, while maintaining a stoic appearance as a defender and peacemaker. Bus in some rural folks to stage large protests and marches in the Republics to petition Russia for statehood. Hold a referendum and allow Western observers to see Russian army organising transport for rural voters and guarded, independent counters submitting counts to an impartial body. Counter claims of vote rigging by getting in some nasty jabs about their own elections and play on this being a matter between Russia and the Republics because Ukraine is too bloodthirsty for diplomacy. Declare the Republics to be Russian oblasts and make a big media deal out of rebuilding and modernising, practically inviting Ukraine to bomb a site so you can show the world the evil neo-nazis bombing the site of a children's hospital to treat the orphans of their campaign to genocide the people of Donbas and Lugansk. Make any sanctions placed on you look petty and like intentional brinkmanship against a reasonable, peace-loving state. Agree to a DMZ in negotiations, then sabotage it with fostering the desire for travel over it until the next government in Kiev can't resist the popular desire to see families and the DMZ is slowly downgraded until you're finally ready for an actual invasion in 2035 after completely overhauling the army.

  41. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >most favorable outcome for Russia
    Cancel the invasion, cancel conscription, healthcare reform, free and open elections and media, then start a hearts and minds campaign if we still want Ukraine. Maybe unrestricted travel and free higher education.
    Soft power best power

  42. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    I convert all my infantry to VDV and then drop VDV over Kiev.

  43. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Go back 3 months before the start
    >let Nato and EU slowly collapse
    >make sure that most of Europe is dependent on Russian gas
    >invade again after ~10-15 years

  44. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Dipose putin, join EU with Belarus and Ukraine, restart Sino-Soviet border conflict for fun

  45. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Massive airborne jump into Kiev. No clue if any success but would be cool

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