>make a battle rifle. >call it an assault rifle

>make a battle rifle
>call it an assault rifle
????

  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Its not called either. It's called SIG MCX SPEAR
    So your comment should be
    >Make gun
    >Call it spear

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >make rocket
      >call it javelin

      >make airplane
      >call it hornet

      >make tank
      >call it kitty cat

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Actually it's an M5 carbine

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    > make a mistake
    > call it multicam

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >he's a SOVLfag

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Multicam woodland is SOVL

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Multicam is good for the Rockies eastern slope

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Based sig sauer making battle rifles have a comeback in the modern market

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It was the Army’s idea though, not Sig’s. Also I doubt it’ll have an impact on the civilian market anytime soon since it requires two stamps and we don’t get the special pissin’ hot ammo

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The suppressor is standard?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >The suppressor is standard?
          basically, without it, its so loud, and so concussive it blows out eardrums and rattles teeth loose, also the shockwave breaks windows up to a half mile away

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >General Purpose Machine Gun
    >Rarely if ever used by generals

    >Light Machine Gun
    >doesn't blast targets with a concentrated beam of photons

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >make gun fuck-hueg
    >give it tiny baby stock

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    so you think you're better at naming things than hitler?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yes. Battle Rifle > Sturmenwormengleepleheimengewehr.

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What’s the literal difference?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      cartridge size
      assault rifles are intermediate, battle rifles are full powered

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What’s the literal difference?

        Makes it all the more confusing when several media outlets, and I think even the army themselves have referred to this particular caliber as an intermediate caliber.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah, USASOC did an "intermediate precision caliber" evaluation of 41 different rounds and settled on 6.5CM (~6.5x48) which is basically the same OAL as .308 (7.62x51) and .277 Fury (6.8x51) all of them are between 71 and 72mm in total length with 11.99-12.1mm rim diameter.

          How the army can consider 6.5CM intermediate, but 7.62 is somehow full powered is beyond me.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            They're all intermediate pea shooters and pic related should be the new service weapon. Just build some arm strength.

            The US never lost a war with .30-06.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              And before you talk about improvements in technology, obviously we're going 80,000 PSI, 3,200 ft/lbs pissing hot Springfield redux with the upgrade.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Battle rifle as a term has been entirely made up by boomer gunwriters, it has never been in official use.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >collapsing stock? better buy while it's low, then.

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  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    "battle rifle" is ex-post-facto bullshit, anyway. THere was never a point when the G3 and FAL weren't assault rifles until a bunch of nerds with 308 rifles decided they needed to feel special on the internet.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      except for theye fucking uneusable in full auto because the US ordance department wanted not30-06 to be a replacement for the M1 carbine and M3 grease gun

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Fun fact: STG44 and AK47 are unusable on full auto too.
        German justification for STG44 was that 3 rifleman shooting STG44 semiauto hit more targets per minute than MG42 team (3 men too).
        When soviets trialed uAK-47 auto fire against semi auto they found that same shooters hit twice as many targets using semi auto per minute. Muh assault rifle is just loud Soviet propaganda.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Are you fucking stupid? Have you ever fired an AKM on full auto? If not then fuck off. It’s by no means uncontrollable that sugar scoop does wonders for managing muzzle flip

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >STG44 and AK47 are unusable on full auto too.
          retard misinformation

          ?t=18

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            This is what is wrong with muh fullauto fanbois. Implying filming gun from the side has any merit to its effect on target
            Run it on shooting stage side by side auto STG44 vs semi STG44 against the clock, that would be proper test.

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >6 different charging handles
    >3 different mag releases for ambi
    fucking monkey with typwriter engineering

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    And I’ll battle you with an assault rifle IDGAF

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      what stock

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        ACR Magpul

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I hate the hollow swiss cheese design on modern rifles. Someone make it stop.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it keeps your hands away from the hot barrel while giving the barrel more airflow, and allowing attachments at basically any position you can think of.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        yeah I just hate how it looks

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So we have a bunch of new standard issue guns, new jets, new bombers.
    When do we get a new shotgun then?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Pretty sure the army just uses Mossberg M590's, but maybe they've also got some Benelli M1014s like the marines.

      Either way, I don't really see what you'd want different, they're rarely issued as it is..

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      combat shotguns are way more niche and way less controversial than multi-billion contracts so they quietly come and go
      for dedicated shotguns 590A1 will dominate, while there is a push to use underbarrel shotguns instead (M26-MASS)
      the next gen should start trialing around 2027 and enter service in the early-mid 2030s at this cadence

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    on a semi-related note, instead of trying to shove the MASS on the M5 they should rework the M26 with a meme takedown stock and call it the next gen aircrew survival weapon, it's already basically as light as a XM177 and rather than the carbine the most interesting/useful thing about the M6 was the shotgun not the rifle

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Will be hard to supress with less ammo.
    I'd be curious what would happen if they pressured 6.8spc or 277wolverine to 80kpsi instead.

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >make thread
    >call yourself a gay

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >be retarded anglo
    >invent new terms without any need

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >make battle rifle
    >too hard to control on F/A
    >too heavy for modern battles in some cases
    >replace entire thing with very light weight intermediate caliber rifle
    >not accurate or effective at range in modern battles
    >well known problem enough that better organized enemies can force fights at these ranges for a tactical advantage
    >introduce a heavy, difficult to control on F/A but effective at any range battle rifle to solve the problem
    why is procurement allergic to specialization? the US has the best logistics on the planet just use two rounds and two guns, 5.56 for PDW's and carbines, and attach battle rifles in 277/308/wtf/bbw to the squads
    >inb4 muh battle rifle runs out of ammo before the 5.56 guys during an engagement
    that's what the logistics are for, if the range calls for it just hot drop ammo and/or provide quick replacement rifles to the guys using M4's

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Explain to me how that solution is supposed to maximize SIG's stock value

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Give the contract for the PDW to SIG

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah, they dealt with different calibers, one for SMGs, one for the M1 Carbine, and one for the Garand, BAR, and Springfield all through WWII and Korea.

      In Vietnam they had the M60 and M14 alongside the M16, and they still used SMGs to some degree. Even more recently you still have the M240 alongside the M4.

      5.56mm is not an ideal cartridge for indirect fire. The M250 makes a ton of sense. It has some deficiencies that the M5 improves upon, but comes with its own deficiencies in terms of weight, capacity, and recoil.

      Unless that Gucci fire control system is really that good, and it's hard/expensive to make it work with another cartridge, it seems like a mix and match would be best. Some M5s, an M250 per fire team, and some M4s or the M27.

      Or, because urban fighting still often involves long lines of sight and the opportunity to hit enemies moving between cover with an accurate long range rifle, recognize door kicking is the exception and don't worry about it/have SMGs for dealing with unarmored opponents in CQC.

      The P90 gives you a nice small profile and 50 rounds. The MP7 is 3lbs and can be folded into a vehicle for situations where it might be useful.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This is why I like the idea of .300 blk in a PDW/SBR/SMG big bullet can punch through light cover inside a building while still being small and light enough to give a nice portable weapon for moving through doorways and ingress/egress of vehicles.

        the P90's 5.7x28mm is just too small to go through walls/furniture and still have the ability to kill, whereas .300blk would have no problems.
        The same holds true for the MP7's 4.6x30mm, fine against unarmored opponents and against a target not behind cover, but once you get behind a wall or have even just IIIA rated armor on, the 4.6x30mm bullets just don't have the power.

        MP7 is fine for protection detail work, for concealed carry while protecting VIPs. But for CQC door kicking in an active warzone? .300 blk in an SBR gets my vote.

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I still don't get the application for this. I understand that on paper it's meant to defeat body armour but unless you're planning for some kind of internal NATO conflict who else deploys body armour on a wide enough scale to make it practical?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      china, they've been trying to pump out dirt cheap but capable rifle-rated armor for their infantry for a few years now and the more time passes, the closer they'll get to being able to manufacture and outfit EVERYONE in their armed forces with rifle-rated armor.

      It's also why the army's newest helicopter development project just HAPPENED to pick a helicopter that can fly from Japan to Beijing on a single tank of gas, and is basically designed to be a pacific-theatre island hopper that is clearly intended to deter Chinese expansionism in the pacific.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's also meant to be able to engage at longer ranges. I think Afghanistan convinced the brass that long-range engagements still matter.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I think it's more of an opportunistic thing.

        Even if we don't expect most engagements to happen at long range, if you have a scope that can account for bullet drop at extreme range, and a gun that can fairly accurately shoot out to those extreme ranges, then previously when you would have to close the engagement distance before firing, you can now safely stay back and take shots before the enemy even knows you're there, or before they can get within range to shoot at you.

        Small arms mean less and less in modern war as it is, most larger engagements will be won through artillery, air power, etc. Not your small arms combat. So diminishing small arms ammo load for a squad, while increasing that squad's potential engagement range seems like a fair trade-off.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Average engagement distance in Afghanistan was 300m. I have a friend who was deployed in the north mountains whose team switched over to using m14s because the m4s were ineffective.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          300m is easy enough to do with an m4 on a range, but once you're actually getting shot at, 300m is an incredibly difficult shot to make, especially against a moving target or a target behind partial cover.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah, m4 can stretch out to 400m+, it just sucks. If the average is 300, that means you're having to push it out past 300 in half of all engagements. That's why the DOD started fucking around with moving to a 6.8 in 2006.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Why not make an m4, but with a longer barrel.. call it an m16, also develop Hispanicier rounds that fly a little flatter....

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            because it's still pretty shit at that range

            Even like 20-24" 5.56 Hispanicey bois from a bolty platform will STILL be kinda shit beyond ~500-600m unless you're sitting down at a bench range plinking in a no-stress scenario.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Even if it isn't currently the case this future proofs their capabilities. Better to have it and not need it than vice versa.

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You could go halfway with a less powerful cartridge too if you came up with an adjustable barrel that can screw on and off. You could have 8.5, 14, and 20 inch options.

    If you're running 20 fighting into a settlement and are about to have to go into buildings you just screw off the part and have an SBR. Add a folding stock and you can go for any size you want.

    Even better, make it a transformer that can turn into a bullup on the fly in three minutes. IDK how you'd do it, ask the Japs to figure it out!

    Maybe also have a way to flip a few things and open it up for a belt if you need more volume.

    Or, get this, a twistable magwell so you can make it side fed when prone and then twist it back when needed.

    Opponent is in Level IV, heavily armored? Under barrel 20mm that arms almost instantly and fires out a 5mm EFP at 5,000 FPS.

    I'm hear all week if any of you manufacturers want to hire me.

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