>M14 you can carry 280 rds in loaded mags at 10 kg. >AK-47 you can carry 360 rds in loaded mags at 10 kg

>M14 you can carry 280 rds in loaded mags at 10 kg
>AK-47 you can carry 360 rds in loaded mags at 10 kg
>AK-74 you can carry 540 rds in loaded mags at 10 kg
>AR-15 you can carry 600 rds in loaded mags at 10 kg
This is without taking into account the weight of the rifle which skews the balance even more in the favor of the AR
An AR-15 in 5.56 is an incredible rifle for the average infantryman.

The army should have kept the M4, perhaps upgrading it with a normal M-Lok handguard, an intelligent barrel profile like pic related, and maybe a stronger bolt to take the new higher pressure ammo. Going back to battle rifles is peak moronation.

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Now do it with 77gr 5.56 because that’s what everyone uses current year.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Heavy bullets for 5.56 are yet another mistake in the long list of mistakes with the AR imo.

      https://i.imgur.com/MSiEIrI.jpeg

      its called not being a weak b***h. then again, they let women and homosexuals into the military so of course you would prefer something lighter and easier to handle

      You never carry that boat anchor any further than the distance from the range parking lot to the shooting bench.

      [...]

      have a nice day

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        i've carried mine further than you've carried yours, if you even have a rifle.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          you've never done a dismounted movement to contact and it shows

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Is that what they did at your national guard unit? Please tells us more about all of your experience training 2 weeks a year.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Heavy bullets for 5.56 are yet another mistake in the long list of mistakes with the AR imo.
        Not with shorter barrels, which can't push the lighter bullets to the speeds they need to be pushed. So you need heavy OTMs that mushroom at even the dogshit velocities that short barrels give you. 20" masterrace here, by the way.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah move to the 14.5 barrel was probably the #1 mistake in the development of the AR in US military service.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      599

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Couldn't agree more OP

      >everyone
      moron

      https://i.imgur.com/MSiEIrI.jpeg

      its called not being a weak b***h. then again, they let women and homosexuals into the military so of course you would prefer something lighter and easier to handle

      https://i.imgur.com/vV3VDec.jpeg

      based, DYELs seething rn

      Based muscleboys

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    its called not being a weak b***h. then again, they let women and homosexuals into the military so of course you would prefer something lighter and easier to handle

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Your wife prefers my light and easy to handle wiener. Got a lot of firepower.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      i've carried mine further than you've carried yours, if you even have a rifle.

      absolutely insecure and an IQ of 90 to boot
      guess what genius: for the same weight, you get to carry more ammo and do more shooting.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        or for a little more weight i can carry the same number of rounds. did you think about that genius? this isn't a video game where you're only allowed to carry a certain weight capacity

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          are you really this stupid or are you just fricking with me?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >t. noodle arm weakling

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >I have no idea what I'm talking about
      It obvious, fatty.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      based, DYELs seething rn

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Dumb frick

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      you know there are people who make a point about the charging handle being "tough" lol
      every time i get my hands on something described as such i laugh because i instantly know how weak they are

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Or you could have a lighter gun and add the equivalent weight of any other shit you'd want. I love my Tavor 7 but I'm not deluded enough to think it's going to be a good time lugging around a 12 pound rifle for any serious trekking.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Literally all they needed to do was make the URGI standard. Perfect upgrade. It amazes me how moronic the concept of moving to a heavier rifle with less ammo capacity to defeat body armour that isn't fielded by anybody outside of the US military is.

      Based G3gay, but you're also wrong.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >front sling point max rearwards
        >rear sling point max forwards
        uhh cringe

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Hot .5.56 out of a 24" barrel has better performance against plates than 7.62x51. All you need to do is make new barrels and change adjust the gas system. I don't get why they'd want a whole caliber when they could just make 5.56 better at penetration. I get that they wanted the new silencer but that shit canc also be added to the AR, meanwhile you can keep the old M4 in a submachinegun role without complicating shit.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        MoD did it to spend their allownace money, if they don't use it they lose it. there's a reason why Stoner designed the barrel length to 20" but what does he know?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Look at op's pic. That thing is straight out of an IDF armory. Of course he's a weak b***h.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/vV3VDec.jpeg

      based, DYELs seething rn

      https://i.imgur.com/zL460c3.png

      >t. noodle arm weakling

      post your 20 mile ruck times with both a heavy, encumbering 308 frick off anchor and an m4...
      oh wait... lmfao

      i've carried mine further than you've carried yours, if you even have a rifle.

      im sure you have

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I dont time my backpacking trips with my rifle because Im not a homosexual

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          NTA, but OIAL! You haven't rucked anything.
          >h-h-h-how d-d-did you know?
          Ppppfft!
          >those clothes
          >those boots
          >that rifle
          >that holster
          >your physique
          All that shit you have piled on is for selfies. Anyone who ever has done anything even remotely outdoors could instantly tell you're a fricking poser. The thirty round mag was a nice touch though. Honorable mention is that optic setup.
          >quit ma-ma-ma-making fun of meeeee!
          You bring this on yourself.

          If bate 10/10.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >bate
            kek how about you post your setup anon? Are you such a pussy that you cant ruck in outdated gear?

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >outdated
              Your gear is fine, you just don't use it. You don't ruck You don't ruck with that rifle. You also shoot that rifle very little, if any.
              >yabadaba! I do!
              I've had two ninety ones. Put many thousands of rounds through them. You don't shoot that rifle.
              I use an obsolete (according to SOCOM) SO tech MPML to ruck in. The 1k Cordura one. It is comfy, but way too heavy. IDGAF, it for exercise. I don't ruck with my rifle. Quit being a dick and I won't mock you.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >doesn't post gun OR gear
                projecting

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    That gun looks sexy AF. Barebones, simple, no homosexual shit sticking off the top or the sides. Perfection.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Go leave Black person
    This is a thread for firearms discussion. Something I doubt you even have

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >King Oscar
      >And a Berretta
      How can one man have so much taste?

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Bro your sling is tied around your front sight what the FRICK ARE YOU DOING??

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Bro your sling is tied around your front sight what the FRICK ARE YOU DOING??

      Biden ranging concept; when he needs more elevation he adds tension to the sling to lift his barrel up.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's the Israeli method, and it doesn't seem to hurt anything.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Choice of small arms has never determined the outcome of a conflict and never will.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Anon, there's no way the XM7 is going into mass circulation. SOF will get some, maybe a few will show up as DMRs for the regulars, but that's about it. I will bet you one shiny Australian dollar that the vast majority of combat troops in the US are still carrying M4s and M16s for the next 10 years. Probably more.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >.20 VarTarg you can carry 700 rds in loaded mags at 10kg
    Also it's got the same power as .223, assuming a 14.5" barrel for both. .223 is probably the best military cartridge for most purposes, but it's far from optimal.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I mean yeah hearing about it's inception it's not that surprising if it's not 100% optimal.
      >Stoner thinks that the .222, an off the shelf varmint cartridge, is a pretty good fit for what he needs for the small-caliber, high-velocity rifle program
      >just thicken up the case a little bit for higher pressures and add a tad more powder volume
      >it's done
      >remains mostly the same for 60 years

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >it's inception
        *its

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/FlUAgdQ.jpeg

      >M14 you can carry 280 rds in loaded mags at 10 kg
      >AK-47 you can carry 360 rds in loaded mags at 10 kg
      >AK-74 you can carry 540 rds in loaded mags at 10 kg
      >AR-15 you can carry 600 rds in loaded mags at 10 kg
      This is without taking into account the weight of the rifle which skews the balance even more in the favor of the AR
      An AR-15 in 5.56 is an incredible rifle for the average infantryman.

      The army should have kept the M4, perhaps upgrading it with a normal M-Lok handguard, an intelligent barrel profile like pic related, and maybe a stronger bolt to take the new higher pressure ammo. Going back to battle rifles is peak moronation.

      Get on my level.
      1400 rounds in 28 magazines at 10 kg.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It's pretty incredible what they were able to accomplish (in theory at least) with very simple rimfire case design without really anything all that special. Solving rim lock with just case taper is simply brilliant.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >gun starts cooking off rounds on the second magazine
        oops

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Open bolt is superior for a service weapon anyhow

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >. .223 is probably the best military cartridge for most purposes, but it's far from optimal.
      It sucks donkey dick. Short bulletzl, terrible form factor, terrible ballistic coefficient. By lengthening 5.56 bullet and round by 5 mm you can make 5.56 round that outranges 7.62x51. STANAG 5.56 magazine and it's consequences were disaster for small arms.

      Remember WWSD (What Would Stoner Do)? What really he should do is make 5.56 bullet ogive 5 mm longer.
      But boomers can't comprehend this.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Short and zippy light bullet is based and will explode in your body cavity with the force of a thousand suns.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >it's
        *its
        >you can make 5.56 round that outranges 7.62x51. STANAG 5.56 magazine
        Grunts almost never engage beyond 200m-250m with their rifles, even back when they were slinging 30-06. Hence why the military realized range isn't a huge issue for a grunt stick
        >disaster for small arms
        Dramatic nonsense

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Hence why the military realized range isn't a huge issue for a grunt stick
          NGSW.
          But if 5.56 bullet was 5 mm longer entire NGSW boondoggle would have no ground to stand upon because then M4 outranges Taliban's PKM.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >NGSW
            Is going to be a flop. The new optic is more impressive& more useful than the new cartridge, and would've been great for our boys in Afghanistan returning fire on goatfrickers a half mile away who were taking pot-shots. As soon as the marines have to lug around heavy battle rifles& ammo on densely jungled islands in the pacific fighting chinks at a max distance of 100m, they're going to wish they had the M4's and extra ammo

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Do the Marines even have any plans to adopt that hunk of shit?

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >>AR-15 you can carry 600 rds in loaded mags at 10 kg
    i don't think more than 10% of ar shooters could even fire off 600 rounds without a hitch in a pinch

    meanwhile in 30 cal ak land, just keep sending while laughing at weak b***h OP

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    im just here shaking my head at scrubs who think a rifle thats overweight doesnt get annoying or that ammo is the only thing you need in the field
    yes its very easy to get around with your 14 pound hunk of shit rifle plus your gear when youre just wearing it for the couple seconds for your instathot pics and you can just put it back in the closet afterwards. its even easier when you can just imagine yourself carrying said shit rifle and gear and arguing with people about how you believe you can do it

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      So many homosexuals talk so much shit but have never even ran a mile with plates + rifle + 7 mags and a pistol
      It's not like it impossible but it's not as easy as many think. Many of the shit talkers on the internet are not in the physical shape to actually be saying anything about moving weight over distance

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Still better, M193 and M855 suck ass.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    it seems like you betas still can't grasp the concept of simply being stronger. of simply having more stamina, of simply being able to endure more for longer.
    >inb4 muh speed versus strength
    cope, seethe, and dilate.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This loadout has 100 rounds

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >he says and posts his setup with barely 100 rds carried
        LMAO get fricked gay

        correct, but its not my main setup. its for bundeswehr larping

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Which proves the point even further. The Bundeswehr's standard kit had only 100 rds because that shit is just too fricking heavy.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >he says and posts his setup with barely 100 rds carried
      LMAO get fricked gay

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Thanks for proving OPs point.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >enemy has brand new body armor
    >current rifle cartridge can't defeat it
    >create brand new rifle and brand new cartridge to defeat it
    >go to war
    >you spot enemy
    >enemy spots you
    >both of you hit the dirt
    >brand new body armor and brand new rifle cartridge no long matter
    >swarm of frag drones nuke both sides

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >homosexual plate carriers deemed deadweight
      >every major military switches to smocks made of materials equivalent to NIJ IIA armor to stop fragments.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >enemy has brand new body armor
      >current rifle cartridge can't defeat it
      >create brand new rifle and brand new cartridge to defeat it
      Literally when has this ever happened

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        M7

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          What types of body armor can M7 defeat that an M16 can't

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Yo mama's integrated body armor.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You'd be at an advantage over any of the other options with the .308/7.62x51, because you can increase distance and have more power to actually kill what you want dead at range, or even though a barrier.

    If you're such a bad shot sure, just carry 20"kg" of .308 and you have as much as if it were 5.56

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    How many rounds of 6.8 Common can you carry in mags equal to 10kg?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Probably the same or slightly less than .308 for the hot stuff, and slightly more than .308 for the training stuff

      You'd be at an advantage over any of the other options with the .308/7.62x51, because you can increase distance and have more power to actually kill what you want dead at range, or even though a barrier.

      If you're such a bad shot sure, just carry 20"kg" of .308 and you have as much as if it were 5.56

      Not very smart

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    counterpoint: every AR now weighs as much as an M14

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      even taking that into account, you can carry a lot more M855A1 for the same amount of weight as M80A1. The weight of ammunition is the limiting factor: a human can only carry so much weight and still be combat effective - as such, lighter rounds allow for an individual soldier to stay in the fight longer without resupply

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Indeed. That's specifically why I included the nigh ideal AR-15 carbine in the OP. All it needs is some rails and it's perfect.

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    6x45 is pretty cool it shoots an 85gr faster than 5.56 shoots a 77gr (same ballistic coefficient)
    the Russians made a new 6x41 cartridge, 103gr at 2650 so it's like 6x45 SAW
    I think because SD is more important than speed for defeating ceramic armor
    8mm mauser AP defeats lvl4 and it has a full width steel penetrator so I imagine 6x41 or x45 with a tungsten rod would defeat it somewhat far away
    as they have the same external ballistics as a hot 8x57

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