M1 Carbine Unironically Best Grizzly Defense Gun?

-.44 Magnum (from a revolver barrel) power

-.44 magnum pistol considered very good firepower for bear defense

-Easy to shoot rifle format gun, semi auto, way faster followup shots than any revolver

-Still nearly as light and handy as a pistol to hike with (It was designed to replace 1911's for soldiers who didn't primarily do combat like truck drivers and engineers)

-Even have modernized version that you can slap a red dot on

Sounds like a semi auto .357 magnum lever action but even handier to carry, higher effective fire rate, more capacity, and faster reloads.

Is this unironically the best brown bear back country gun for guides, campers, and hikers?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >".44 magnum pistol considered very good firepower for bear defense"
    >Actually believing this

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      there has never been a bear encounter where the person had a 44mag that they did not successfully drive off the bear. 100% success rate is pretty good, definitionally.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        you don't know about the people who were eaten

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          This.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          This.

          Yup, I'm one of them. .44 did not do me any good.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          did they eat the 44 too?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I do.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >M1 Carbine Unironically Best Grizzly Defense Gun?
        No, 30 carbine isn't bottlenecked and therefore feeds less reliably than any bottlenecked cartridge. Reliable cycling is all that matters by the way.
        >b-but they design around it
        No they don't, it feeds less reliably.
        >b-but bullet weight
        A 50gr .22 magnum will brain a grizzly 100 times out of 100, a 55-77gr 223 will eviscerate any tissue you point it at to a depth of at least 14", and penetrate deeper.
        The AR15 is better than the M1 carbine in every single way by an enormous margin.

        >there has never been a bear encounter where the person had a 44mag that they did not successfully drive off the bear
        EVERY SINGLE documented unsuccessful use of a firearm to repel grizzly and polar bears involves BOTH of these; 22lr, and slapstick-tier incompetence.
        There are zero, ZERO, confirmed incidents of terminal ballistics ALONE being responsible for an unsuccessful stop on a grizzly or polar bear. Not "some", not "one", ZERO. NONE. Has not happened.
        There, discussion over, we can now talk about things which happen instead of talking about things which don't happen.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >dont use .30 carbine against bears, use .22 magnum and just aim for the head!
          >22lr bad tho
          >*ar-15 jams*
          el oh el

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >not having a bayonet
            not gonna make it

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Brown reading comprehension.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >don't use .30 carbine because it isn't bottlenecked
              >but use a .22 magnum
              It's your comprehension that's suspect here

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >>but use a .22 magnum
                Damn...try quoting where I said that. Seriously, quote exactly where I recommended 22 magnum for bear defense.
                Go on.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >it's self defense I swear!!
    Leave grizzly bears alone. You already essentially extincted them from basically the entire contiguous US. You don't get to claim self defense at this point. If you're going into grizzly territory, you're probably going there to compete with it for food (hunting) and deserve whatever happens.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >t.grizzly bear

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      sometimes the threat of violence is necessary to secure successful copulation. grizzlies know the difference between a weapon that will kill them and one that won't

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >copulation

        Bear frickers are among us!

        They don't feed well though. M1 Carbine magazines are ass.

        Aftermarket mags are ass. Original GI surplus feed just fine as long as they've got good springs.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I shoot ever bear I see, even cubs. Frick em. If I'm close enough to kill them they're not avoiding humans and are a problem.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Black person moment

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      giant furry clawed paws typed this post

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        to be fair that describes most of us here. there is nothing unusual about it, pretty normal for tasty, two legged nature loving creatures like us.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I live in Grizzly territory and no I am going to shoot one if it fricks with me or my animals.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      based
      we should actually try to bring grizzlies back to california. put some fear of nature back into these soulless city slickers

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    yes. I say this in the hopes that you actually rely on this gun for self defense and end up dead just so one more moron is off the streets

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The M1 Carbine looks like a fun rifle to plink with but I don't think it's good for any kind of defense.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    If you actually bring an m1 carbine for bear defense you deserve to be eaten.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    no, it's not, best defense for grizzly is mulitple things, don't be alone, make sure everyone carry a handgun at all time, get some mace too, always on the lookout since grizzly will ambush without making noises.
    for long gun you want something in large caliber like 300wm or anything else suitable for large game hunting

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    They don't feed well though. M1 Carbine magazines are ass.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Still nearly as light and handy as a pistol to hike with
    Nowhere close.
    Have you never been innawoods before, anon?

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The existence of this gun debunks your claim of the M1 Carbine being the "best". The Deerfield has M1 carbine size, weight, ease of shooting, and a helluva lot more power. I still wouldn't try using it as a grizzly defense gun though.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous
    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/Qru4rwp.jpg

      Came here to post this. Also there are .45 Win Mag M1 carbine conversions.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >M1 carbine in any chambering other than .30
        Other than getting lucky at a used section when you didn't expect it or calling in a special order those days are long gone. Would love to see 22 spitfire make a comeback and see some other options that fit the case head. Spent hours daydreaming of one in 5.7 fn

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        From the '90's, right? I remember an article on them in some gun rag back then.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why wouldn't it be an AR in .458

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Because that isn't moronic and we don't do that here

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Quads don't lie. ...What about an M1 in .50 AE?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Because that isn't moronic and we don't do that here

      .458 Socom:
      Good enough to shoot browns & blacks then good enough to shoot brown & black bears.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >M1 Carbine Unironically Best Grizzly Defense Gun?
    who knows and it doesn't matter because it's a stupid question. there is no need for grizzly "defense" in the first place, bears and grizzlies in particular are the sweetest most pacifist animals you will meet and just want to go about their day or be friends. maybe curiously sniff at a fellow neighbor a bit! humans just need not to panic with their nasty boom branches.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      another grizzly bear detected

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I don't know why you wouldn't use a light weight AR instead. 5.56, .300 blk, and .350 legend have more power, the magazines are cheaper and more reliable, bullets are of superior design, and it can be made nearly as light.

    Meh. I'm tired.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Sonny boy the m1 carbine cant even pierce chink jackets how is it supposed to stop a grizzly bear. Now with a 22 it will bounce in its body, make its way into the brain and turn it into mush.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Is there a reason you're not quoting where I said that, ESLbro? Is google translate not giving you the specificity you need to continue the conversation?

      The common argument for the 30carbine (and .44magnum, also mentioned by OP) over something like .223 for bear defense are things like bullet weight and frontal area. That is why I brought up .22 magnum. Not to imply that it has better terminal ballistics than the 30 carbine, just that bullet weight is not a valid reason to choose .30carbine over .223.

      Remember brown, the original question was;

      https://i.imgur.com/0X1jHXJ.jpg

      -.44 Magnum (from a revolver barrel) power

      -.44 magnum pistol considered very good firepower for bear defense

      -Easy to shoot rifle format gun, semi auto, way faster followup shots than any revolver

      -Still nearly as light and handy as a pistol to hike with (It was designed to replace 1911's for soldiers who didn't primarily do combat like truck drivers and engineers)

      -Even have modernized version that you can slap a red dot on

      Sounds like a semi auto .357 magnum lever action but even handier to carry, higher effective fire rate, more capacity, and faster reloads.

      Is this unironically the best brown bear back country gun for guides, campers, and hikers?

      >M1 Carbine Unironically Best Grizzly Defense Gun?
      All that needs to be done to answer this question is name ONE better option. A semi-auto .223 is a better option if for no other reason than bottlenecked cartridges feed more reliably than straight-wall cartridges, which is all that matters because the lethality of .22magnum demonstrates that every single bottlenecked centerfire rifle cartridge on the planet will kill a bear. Every single one. Without exception.

      homosexual.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Different anon. So what do you carry? 5.7? .357 SIG? Some meme cartridge like 32 NAA or 7.62 Tok, or 30 Luger? I'm sure it's not a straightwall cartridge after these posts.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >every single bottlenecked centerfire rifle cartridge on the planet will kill a bear. Every single one. Without exception.
        You can kill a grizzly bear with a 12-inch dildo, if you hit it enough times in the right place. That doesn't mean it's the best weapon for the job. If you're going into bear country, bring an appropriate firearm. Not just whatever gun you have that's chambered in a bottle necked cartridge.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >That doesn't mean it's the best weapon for the job.
          I'm not arguing that, I'm arguing that a M1 carbine isn't. I am not making the case for a .223 being the best for bear defense, just that it is better than 30 carbine. The answer to OP's question is "no".

          Different anon. So what do you carry? 5.7? .357 SIG? Some meme cartridge like 32 NAA or 7.62 Tok, or 30 Luger? I'm sure it's not a straightwall cartridge after these posts.

          9mm, because bottleneck cartridges suck in short barrels. More flash and they don't perform as well as their straight-wall versions. That's one advantage of straight walls, very efficient in short barrels.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >9mm
            Gonna get killed in the streets with your unreliable straight wall cartridge, Anon. baka tbh senpai

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Thankfully gun makers know that straight-wall cartridges feed worse than bottlenecked, and accounted for 9mm's poor feeding geometry by making the mags taper to a single-feed.
              5.7 doesn't need this, which is why the mags are a double-stack all the way to the feed lips.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The cartridge itself is tapered. 9mm also benefits from double stack double feed mags, it is usually not done because it widens the frame.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >9mm also benefits from double stack double feed mags, it is usually not done because it widens the frame.
                It also elongates the feeding path, because if that isn't done the round has to take a sharper angle (one which is built into the 5.7) to get nose-in to the chamber.

                9mm is tapered in the powder column, but as a complete object is far less tapered than 5.7 (which actually doesn't taper in the powder column).

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Just get a Derstalker for actual .44 Magnum performance

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You can throw a red dot on old ones too

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Curious who makes that mount.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I honestly have no idea. It's a Rockolla M1 and it's been on the gun since I was born in the 80s

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I was wondering about its age. Almost looks cast maybe. Also the fact it was WEAVER, not picatinny, was making me look at it funny.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    So just get a Ruger .44Mag Deerfield carbine.
    Nowadays you can even get 10rd polymer mags instead of the 4rd rotaries.

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Back in the day LeMag made .45 Winmag and .50 AE M1 Carbines.

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