Looks like rockets are back on the menu!

This must have been in the works for a while but I just read about it.

The most kino weapon of the 80s got an upgrade.

Pods of unguided rockets become guided with laser seekers on fold out fins.

Combined with a standard targeting pod, F16s and just about every helo and bird from the 20th century can fire guided rockets.
They shoot like regular rockets but home on lased targets like hellfire, literally the same interface so it's practically a drop-in upgrade.

Recent trials had an F16 shoot down a "simulated" cruise missile with one. They're being handed over to Ukraine for the same purpose.
Since we know that Ukrainian pilots were training on F16s, they might just use F16s to shoot down cruise missiles, if they're transferred soon enough to matter. If not, then bolted onto their existing Soviet planes the same way they did the HARMs.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a30337259/f-16-cruise-missile-rocket/

There's some speculation about them being compatible with Bayraktars too but that's probably media being stupid though presumably Turkey builds their shit to be NATO compatible so you never know.

  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The array of aircraft that rocket pods work with is huge, they're really widely compatible.

    The main point of them is that they're cheap, about 1/6 the cost of a hellfire.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Also, rocket pods carry a lot of them so a single F16 can take a LOT of shots on incoming cruise missiles, potentially clearing a whole wave of them single-handedly.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I think the guidance mechanism is pretty cool.
        It keeps the high-tech stuff such as optics completely concealed and safe until launch but is completely compatible with an 80s weapon system.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Rocket pods are the most kino of weapons and this finally makes them viable a2a weapons too.
          A bit more surgical than picrel but still cool as hell.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Harrier will still be relevant for another 20 years, making it almost 80 years old before it gets completely decommissioned for military service
        Lmao I can't believe it. Harrier will never die... until the parts and hulls run out anyway.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        This is Cirit

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Cirit
          I read about Cirit too, the claim is about $20k cost so slightly cheaper than the Hydra but then they're built in Turkey and don't have US defence contractor padding build in.
          I like the APKWS because it goes in old-school rocket pods and that's kino as fuck.

          There's about five competitors to APKWS which are also intended to use rocket pods and be drop-in Hydra upgrades but they're not ready yet.

          >UH-1Y Huey
          >AH-1Z
          Dog bless the crayon eaters for keeping kino designs alive, also would love to see a bunch of Texans with these things just fucking shit up in Ukraine like it was WW2.

          >would love to see a bunch of Texans with these things just fucking shit up in Ukraine like it was WW2
          The Greeks use them with Hydra pods already, that could legitimately happen against say, a smuggler boat from Egypt that didn't stop when the coast guard from Crete told it to.

          Top speed of 500ish km/h, maybe not fast enough for an interceptor?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >UH-1Y Huey
      >AH-1Z
      Dog bless the crayon eaters for keeping kino designs alive, also would love to see a bunch of Texans with these things just fucking shit up in Ukraine like it was WW2.

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Are they loading two types of rockets into the one pod? can the FCS detect and select which rocket to fire?
    I've never really thought about it before but now that I am I wouldn't be too surprised to learn Apache's have the ability, or have had it for a long time

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      okay me again I suppose it can indeed do that, and I take it they're mixing dumb Hydra's with the APKWS. I guess in my head I assumed any rocket pod that had more advanced targeting capability would have a newer looking launch pod

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >I guess in my head I assumed any rocket pod that had more advanced targeting capability would have a newer looking launch pod
        It's not the pod, it's the rocket. The pod is bog standard I think.

        You shove these in any old pod from the 80s and fire it just the same, after firing, it deploys the fins with the laser seekers and lase the target with your targeting pod.

        Well yeah but just imagine the hellfire you could unleash with a 190 PGM Hydra barrage.

        >Well yeah but just imagine the hellfire you could unleash with a 190 PGM Hydra barrage.
        190 shots of your primary weapon before you need to rearm.
        It's like a fucking arcade game.

        >Harrier will still be relevant for another 20 years, making it almost 80 years old before it gets completely decommissioned for military service
        Lmao I can't believe it. Harrier will never die... until the parts and hulls run out anyway.

        I think Harriers are too finicky to be given to Ukraine, training must be longer than usual but damn.
        Still in service now and only stopped producing in 2003.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          To keep it simple they're probably just making the rocket home in on whatever laser it's seeing. I doubt much interfacing goes on between the rocket & the platform itself. So the whole pod is probably APKWS, fired one by one. They could still have a separate pod of regular hydras tho.

          Which suggests it might be easier to jam than something programmed with a specific lasing frequency before launch? I'm not really sure how laser homing is programmed, but you lose the capability for more advanced functionality with the trade off to make it as accessible as possible.

          oh thats cool, thanks anons

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      To keep it simple they're probably just making the rocket home in on whatever laser it's seeing. I doubt much interfacing goes on between the rocket & the platform itself. So the whole pod is probably APKWS, fired one by one. They could still have a separate pod of regular hydras tho.

      Which suggests it might be easier to jam than something programmed with a specific lasing frequency before launch? I'm not really sure how laser homing is programmed, but you lose the capability for more advanced functionality with the trade off to make it as accessible as possible.

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >PGM Hydras
    >capable of being fired from 7-count or 19-count rocket pods
    >Su-25 has 11 hardpoints

    Fuck I'm gonna cum.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Su-25 has 11 hardpoints
      10 * 19 = 190 PGMs
      (1 hardpoint for targeting pod)

      750km combat range...they might have to ditch some rocket pods to bring fuel bags to loiter long enough to use that many PGMs.

      I think unless they're just wallowing in munitions, you'd never justify the expense and risk of putting that many rockets on one plane. I can't imagine the mission that would need it.
      It's nearly $5m of rockets on a $11m plane.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I'm hard.
        I want to see it.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Well yeah but just imagine the hellfire you could unleash with a 190 PGM Hydra barrage.

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >you lived long enough for ACE COMBAT to become real

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Those kinds of rockets are trash. They have the blast radius/ power of a handgrenade. They're fireworks idk why they use them compared to grenade launchers or whatever.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Grenade launchers don't have the range or precision of a PGM upgraded 2 inch rocket.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >They have the blast radius/ power of a handgrenade
      The standard warhead is the M151 with a kill radius of 50m.
      A bit better than the average handgrenade.

      It's also been demonstrated to kill a cruise missile in flight which is probably going to be its main role.

      Seems like you can jam several kg of HE on the warhead, depending on how much weight you want to keep for frag.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydra_70#Common_warheads

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      When you can drop the hand grenade in the cab of a truck, or through the armor of a tank, it doesn't really matter does it

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >a handgrenade
      The modern bunker/APC penetrators have a pound of explosive and 10-12 pounds of shrapnel, which is about triple the HE and 10x the shrapnel of a grenade.

      It's enough for a ~2 gram piece of shrapnel in every square foot on the surface of a 7-10m diameter sphere. The perfect size explosion for anything which isn't a modern IFV or tank.

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Since we know that Ukrainian pilots were training on F16s
    Need an update on this. I've heard the House has passed the legislation but not the Senate.

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous
  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The A-10 and I think the Harrier in DCS have had them for a while if you want to fuck around with them - they're hilariously OP

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Dude the APKWS has been operational for years and years. The "The War Zone" blog has an interesting article about some SOF guys in Iraq using OV-10 Broncos and these puppies to assassinate ISIS leaders in Iraq in night raids.

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