well conscript army is gone - plus most of those are replacements of post-soviet gear for existing units...
leopard2 is fine but autism of its producers means its easier to buy Korean as they can be modified and produced locally instead of waiting for literal decades in line of countries that want upgrade their leo2 fleets...
I mean, even the Polish MoD knows that this jet is a piece of shit gap filler only viable to support F-16s, but we can get it fast and cheap, so sure.
We need some filler until we make a deal with SK for KF-21.
Its a solid supplemental fighter and a lot of nations want it
Argentina wanted to buy the FA50 to replace the Dassault Mirage but the UK blocked it due to an arms embargo on Argentina, the FA50 uses British ejection seats
Uzbekistan wanted it also but the US blocked it due to security issues as it was deemed to dangerous to sell to potential Russian allies
The F35 is obviously the most desired jet fighter but for most of the world that can't afford several squadrons of the F35 the FA50 is actually the most popular in the world today
The Kf21 will fill a role as an advanced fighter that can operate in coordination with the F35, F35 more multi-role, Kf21 better at air-to-air
>imagine thinking KAI totally didn't think of setting it as a Trojan horse for the F-16 market when developing the aircraft.
Lemme guess, you need more?
More that Poland no longer trust Germany to help them arm themselves and provide parts and ammunition when war with Belarus or Russia ever starts.
German MIC might want to produce and sell all Poland would need but German government in unreliable. Better to shift to domestic production of equipment that is based on one from a country that doesn't suck Russian dick.
German defense companies can just open Polish branches. More than just allowing them to work more freely with Poland, it will also allow them to work more freely with the Nordics, France and the UK. Not to mention it would allow them to more freely export to hot spots around the world.
It's time to reverse the brain drain since the SPD seems so hellbent on catering to vatniks, luddites and hippies (seriously, even the Greens turned out to be more pragmatic).
German MIC would love to get the tank and SPG contracts SK is getting, but they would never give tech transfer to them, nor would they be able to produce said tanks and SPG's in time.
The fact Poland got cucked out of the MGCS program only to be offered cooperation again, without any real involvement and with a tank specifically tailored to Franco-German needs should tell why Poland has gone with the Koreans.
Basically this. Poland is seeing how terribly the Germany is handling the Ukraine crisis and realizes it won't get much help from them in defending the eastern border of the EU.
>Poland is seeing how terribly the Germany is handling the Ukraine crisis
Terribly for Poland. German is handling exactly in line with their personal interests.
Completely true, lying polacks, you keep buying Russian shit through Germany and then put the blame on the krauts. You've been caught lying many times in the past months.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Ich bin Deutscher, du Russchenschwein.
Polacks, at this moment in time, do not go into German gas.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I don't give a frick where you're from, you're just a liar like most of the tourists on this board, using vatnik as a reply won't make you less of a liar.
https://english.alarabiya.net/business/energy/2022/04/27/Gas-flows-into-Poland-from-Germany-via-Yamal-Europe-pipeline-jump
Poland only has LNG terminals connected to Germany, Belarus, Ukraine and the Czech republic. Barring Belarus and Ukraine, only Germany and the Czech republic remain.
Unless you're telling me Poland gets its gas from thin air.
2 years ago
Anonymous
technically Poland has two more pipelines:
from Norway via Denmark and Slovakia
2 years ago
Anonymous
seaport and internal production can supply roughly half of Poland's demand for the whole year - and its summer time with full storage tanks for winter - probably there is no need to import anything via pipelines at the moment...
we have a lot of obsolete shit that urgently needs to be replaced, and now with puccia sperging out there is finally a great reason and public support to do so
They're modernizing the assets they have the most in quantity.
75% of their tanks, IFVs and SPGs are T-72A/PT-91, BMP-1s, 70s stuff that was never modernized.
I see people try to compare Poland to the French and British army, but both of them have 4x more recon and fire support assets, 6x more APCs, 3 to 4x more helicopters and especially transport helicopters.
I'm not mentioning the air forces.
I heard many Polish tanks suffered from bad maintenance, which came to light in Ukraine. This is probably a Polish reaction to it, so they just throw all that shit away and order new toys.
>I heard many Polish tanks suffered from bad maintenance
That came up during the I'll fated T-72 modernization attempt. All fitting T-72 went through general overhaul. Ukrainians are praising how well maintained the Polish tanks are.
Yesterday the official representative from polish army agreed to a whole hour discussion about the controversial korean shopping spree and according to him the FA-50 are to be delivered next years simply as a gap filler and later in 2-3 years it is planned to make a fa-50 PL variant with complete radar systems and a lot of new weapons integrated so that FA-50 becomes a proper fighter jet from some semi-fighting training plane it is now. He explained this purchase by that the f-16 are no longer in production and buying used ones would be only possible the quickest in 2029, same with F-35 which is completely bottlenecked with orders from all around the world, Poland gets it's F-35 in 2025-2026 and any next free slots would be around 2030. So Poland is now getting in cooperation with korea as it is basically the only option for quick deliveries, FA-50 has 80% of the same parts as F-16 and the guy said polish pilots are already in korea flying them. It was also said the polish military is looking at KF-21 as possible future jets, Poland agreed upon NATO entry to maintain 198 fighter jet force and conduct air policing so with current F-35 queue it is impossible (also adding F-35 are expensive to maintain). Most likely we will see Poland in the future getting more F-35 which will be partnered with some kind of KF-21 PL
The FA-50PL is not some special variant for Poland, it is the planned Block 20 of which they will buy 36 aircraft. Prior to this, 12 Block 10 aircraft will be purchased for a total of 48. All things considered this is not a bad option based on the capability/price.
Poland will most likely exercise their option for another 16 F-35A once the Block 4/engine upgrade/replacement cluster frick has been sorted out by the US.
Their 48 Block 52+ C/D (36/12) will most likely be upgraded to the V variant, or whatever LockMart has cooked up for a final upgrade.
Lol the biggest arms buildup in decades between a country that is potentially the next likely target for Russia but with the national willpower to actually fight unlike most of Europe being armed by the most advanced miltech with mass production capabilities at near zero defect and /k tards think its like their ww2 videogames lol
Btw looks like Norway is going to be next Poland on the squid miltech
All is running at full capacity, Kraus-Maffei, Rheinmetall, all of them.
Ask the US with their F-35, they have decades of orders queued.
Good for Poland that they could make a deal with the asiatics.
Nah, we don't need that big of an army.
Also, what's wrong with Leopard?
>what's wrong with Leopard?
Everything, practically.
>Everything, politically.
fixed that for you.
well conscript army is gone - plus most of those are replacements of post-soviet gear for existing units...
leopard2 is fine but autism of its producers means its easier to buy Korean as they can be modified and produced locally instead of waiting for literal decades in line of countries that want upgrade their leo2 fleets...
Well ain't that a cute lil plane
It's supersonic and the Polish version should be AMRAAM capable, it's a nifty little spiritual successor to the F-5.
I mean, even the Polish MoD knows that this jet is a piece of shit gap filler only viable to support F-16s, but we can get it fast and cheap, so sure.
We need some filler until we make a deal with SK for KF-21.
It's not so piece of shit when it easily licks the Gripen when in full capability.
Its a solid supplemental fighter and a lot of nations want it
Argentina wanted to buy the FA50 to replace the Dassault Mirage but the UK blocked it due to an arms embargo on Argentina, the FA50 uses British ejection seats
Uzbekistan wanted it also but the US blocked it due to security issues as it was deemed to dangerous to sell to potential Russian allies
The F35 is obviously the most desired jet fighter but for most of the world that can't afford several squadrons of the F35 the FA50 is actually the most popular in the world today
The Kf21 will fill a role as an advanced fighter that can operate in coordination with the F35, F35 more multi-role, Kf21 better at air-to-air
>It's not so piece of shit when it easily licks the Gripen when in full capability.
Imagine being this moronic.
>imagine thinking KAI totally didn't think of setting it as a Trojan horse for the F-16 market when developing the aircraft.
Lemme guess, you need more?
Poland is basically gearing up as if they expect a war with Germany and Belarus at the same time. I wonder if they know something we don't.
More that Poland no longer trust Germany to help them arm themselves and provide parts and ammunition when war with Belarus or Russia ever starts.
German MIC might want to produce and sell all Poland would need but German government in unreliable. Better to shift to domestic production of equipment that is based on one from a country that doesn't suck Russian dick.
German defense companies can just open Polish branches. More than just allowing them to work more freely with Poland, it will also allow them to work more freely with the Nordics, France and the UK. Not to mention it would allow them to more freely export to hot spots around the world.
It's time to reverse the brain drain since the SPD seems so hellbent on catering to vatniks, luddites and hippies (seriously, even the Greens turned out to be more pragmatic).
German MIC would love to get the tank and SPG contracts SK is getting, but they would never give tech transfer to them, nor would they be able to produce said tanks and SPG's in time.
The fact Poland got cucked out of the MGCS program only to be offered cooperation again, without any real involvement and with a tank specifically tailored to Franco-German needs should tell why Poland has gone with the Koreans.
It's worse. Poland was looking as far as Italy for joit tank development, then MGCS team immediately pulled Italians on board
Basically this. Poland is seeing how terribly the Germany is handling the Ukraine crisis and realizes it won't get much help from them in defending the eastern border of the EU.
>Poland is seeing how terribly the Germany is handling the Ukraine crisis
Terribly for Poland. German is handling exactly in line with their personal interests.
Yeah, you're right.
>German is handling exactly in line with their personal interests.
Enjoy freezing once winter comes lol.
Poland still imports Russian gas through Germany. Sneaky polacks.
Not true, Vatnik.
Completely true, lying polacks, you keep buying Russian shit through Germany and then put the blame on the krauts. You've been caught lying many times in the past months.
Ich bin Deutscher, du Russchenschwein.
Polacks, at this moment in time, do not go into German gas.
I don't give a frick where you're from, you're just a liar like most of the tourists on this board, using vatnik as a reply won't make you less of a liar.
https://english.alarabiya.net/business/energy/2022/04/27/Gas-flows-into-Poland-from-Germany-via-Yamal-Europe-pipeline-jump
Poland only has LNG terminals connected to Germany, Belarus, Ukraine and the Czech republic. Barring Belarus and Ukraine, only Germany and the Czech republic remain.
Unless you're telling me Poland gets its gas from thin air.
technically Poland has two more pipelines:
from Norway via Denmark and Slovakia
seaport and internal production can supply roughly half of Poland's demand for the whole year - and its summer time with full storage tanks for winter - probably there is no need to import anything via pipelines at the moment...
German economy got completely fricked. Yeah this is going so well for them.
we have a lot of obsolete shit that urgently needs to be replaced, and now with puccia sperging out there is finally a great reason and public support to do so
They're modernizing the assets they have the most in quantity.
75% of their tanks, IFVs and SPGs are T-72A/PT-91, BMP-1s, 70s stuff that was never modernized.
I see people try to compare Poland to the French and British army, but both of them have 4x more recon and fire support assets, 6x more APCs, 3 to 4x more helicopters and especially transport helicopters.
I'm not mentioning the air forces.
I heard many Polish tanks suffered from bad maintenance, which came to light in Ukraine. This is probably a Polish reaction to it, so they just throw all that shit away and order new toys.
>I heard many Polish tanks suffered from bad maintenance
That came up during the I'll fated T-72 modernization attempt. All fitting T-72 went through general overhaul. Ukrainians are praising how well maintained the Polish tanks are.
It might be unpopular opinion but I think that FA-50 look kinda cute.
What's with these polish korean threads lately? Who cares about poland let alone the asiatics? "Were back" to what? Cleaning toilets?
Polish internet brigade. They're mimicking Russian trollfarms to frick with the EU.
Eh, I for one am just happy that we'll finally going to have an actual army after 30 years.
>in b4 opposition wins an election
I'm a burger, I care about both
I care
Does anyone thing the AK-47 is overrated? Every fricking Kid in elementary know's it. how about PPS-43? or Rur-5? Jesus christ.
Yesterday the official representative from polish army agreed to a whole hour discussion about the controversial korean shopping spree and according to him the FA-50 are to be delivered next years simply as a gap filler and later in 2-3 years it is planned to make a fa-50 PL variant with complete radar systems and a lot of new weapons integrated so that FA-50 becomes a proper fighter jet from some semi-fighting training plane it is now. He explained this purchase by that the f-16 are no longer in production and buying used ones would be only possible the quickest in 2029, same with F-35 which is completely bottlenecked with orders from all around the world, Poland gets it's F-35 in 2025-2026 and any next free slots would be around 2030. So Poland is now getting in cooperation with korea as it is basically the only option for quick deliveries, FA-50 has 80% of the same parts as F-16 and the guy said polish pilots are already in korea flying them. It was also said the polish military is looking at KF-21 as possible future jets, Poland agreed upon NATO entry to maintain 198 fighter jet force and conduct air policing so with current F-35 queue it is impossible (also adding F-35 are expensive to maintain). Most likely we will see Poland in the future getting more F-35 which will be partnered with some kind of KF-21 PL
I didn't know F-16 aren't in production anymore, I thought they're still coming out with upgrades because new export variants
The FA-50PL is not some special variant for Poland, it is the planned Block 20 of which they will buy 36 aircraft. Prior to this, 12 Block 10 aircraft will be purchased for a total of 48. All things considered this is not a bad option based on the capability/price.
Poland will most likely exercise their option for another 16 F-35A once the Block 4/engine upgrade/replacement cluster frick has been sorted out by the US.
Their 48 Block 52+ C/D (36/12) will most likely be upgraded to the V variant, or whatever LockMart has cooked up for a final upgrade.
Lol the biggest arms buildup in decades between a country that is potentially the next likely target for Russia but with the national willpower to actually fight unlike most of Europe being armed by the most advanced miltech with mass production capabilities at near zero defect and /k tards think its like their ww2 videogames lol
Btw looks like Norway is going to be next Poland on the squid miltech
*cries in German MIC contracts dissolving*
We will have to live on less calories from now on
Can't believe how shorted sighted the German government is, and how badly they have fricked the optics for their defense industry for decades to come.
All is running at full capacity, Kraus-Maffei, Rheinmetall, all of them.
Ask the US with their F-35, they have decades of orders queued.
Good for Poland that they could make a deal with the asiatics.
Note, Germany offered one of the newest Leo2 every 18 days for several years. They needed more.
I think they'll win the NO contract, but then again, nobody knows at this point
It' happening!
what is?
buttsex
Looking forward to the polish-Korean commonwealth
why
It was a joke, referring to the polish- Lithuanian commonwealth
Międzymorze when?
Soon, brother.
I'm bored now with Russia's special operation in Ukraine and want Poland to invade now.