Lockheed Martin unveils Mako hypersonic missile

Lockheed Martin unveils Mako hypersonic missile

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  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    damn, is it that small? why don't put it inside the plane so it keeps its stealth

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      It is internal too.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      It does fit in the internal bay

      It'll be interesting to see if they can find a buyer to continue development

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I think Lockheed is trying to get the USAF to buy their missile despite it already being rejected, Northrup won the AARGM contract. It didn't look like the USAF disliked Lockheed's missile, though, and has indicated Lockheed could win an extra contract on top of Northrup's contract. Northrup's AARGM isn't hypersonic.

      As for the AARGM, the apparent plan is to lob lots of these missiles at C2, SAM, or time sensitive targets from inside enemy SAM range. I think they're going for an F-14 gameplan where it's okay to open fire from inside enemy range because by the time the enemy missile gets to you, you have long since turned around. Maybe the F-35's stealth is only ruined so much that it still gets into AARGM range and fires.

      Northrup's missile is also typically depicted in volleys of 6 fired from one F-35.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Maybe the F-35's stealth is only ruined so much that it still gets into AARGM range and fires.
        I bet that's it. Alternatively, idk how fast the doors open in flight, but it may pop the missile out and close up so fast that SAMs can't command a missile to fire before it blips off their radar. With a super fast missile, they'd probably be looking for it to come back just long enough to get hit.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      because you can't see it on the promo image if it's inside. FWIW locksneed is developing little stealth pods that go on the wings that can house missiles or fuel and detach when they're used up

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >detach when they're used up
        they should've fricking developed that years and years ago

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      because then you couldn't see it in the promotional material you dingus.

  2. 2 months ago
    Caius

    Smolboi
    >If a platform has 30 inch lugs, this weapon will fit onto that platform

    • 2 months ago
      Caius
      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >we have Kinjal at home

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Setting aside that Kinzhal is just an air launched version of the Iskander ballistic missile, "Kinzhal at home" would be ARRW.

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why did the US never explore long-range A2A missiles after the Phoenix? Russia kept developing shit they can yeet from hundreds of miles away the US stuck with shorter-range stuff. I know everything being stealth swings things in the US's favor but you'd think being able to reach out would help regardless.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Neo(liberalism/conservatism).

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Doctrine. It was hard to ID a plane at long range and there was a worry that you'd shoot down an airliner instead of a bomber. We're better at it now but doctrine takes a while to catch up.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        That is insane. Given how long R&D takes, and knowing that technology is going to improve, not doing something that will obviously be to your advantage is batshit insane.
        It's the same fricked up reasoning that made most of Europe disarm itself after the Cold War, as if there was never going to be another threat to Europe ever again. If it's not needed right now, frick it.
        Fricking insanity.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Aside from shooting down strategic bombers, there's nothing that America wants too shoot down with a long range A2A missile.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      For the last fricking time radar is often your limiting factor with long range engagements. Anyone can throw together a frickhuge missile, guiding it is a different story. The Phoenix was made possible by the F-14's frickhuge radar. It doesn't take a fricking genius to throw together a frickoff sized missile like the R-37 or the PL-17.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      The AIM-120 can hit Phoenix ranges now, the latest one.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      wat. aim-260 jatm, which has a range of at least 120 miles, is in limited production and being delivered to bases as we speak. well, most of them are going to hill afb right now. 2026 is when the military expects aim-260 production to exceed aim-120

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        AIM-260 was only developed starting in 2017 after chink missile advancements. As far as I know it could be put on operational planes right now, so they were really panicking.
        But to answer the guy's question you're replying to, Russian missiles aren't that good, the long range ones can hit the broad side of a skyscraper on a good day at max range. The US always preferred to spec into stealth to just get closer with a more accurate missile. It only really became a problem when the chinks got stealth and long range missiles

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      it's almost like the need for it disappeared after 26th of December, 1991.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Because other than defending against Soviet bombers chucking missiles at carriers, there’s never really been a need for big frickhuge missiles. And oh look at what the Phoenix was designed to do.
      The kind of targets that unwieldy ultra long range missiles were designed to kill, I.e. stuff like tankers and AWACS aircraft and whatnot, was never a developmental priority for Soviet and Chinese militaries like it was NATO. So there was never really a need for NATO to invest in missiles to kill them.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Soon enough meteor is going to be F-35 compatible, so if the need emerges the option exists. That being said the US suffers from terminal NIH syndrome so that's not liable to happen.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      This was the missile that lost the SiAW competition, imagine how crazy the winner must be.

      >Why did the US never explore long-range A2A missiles after the Phoenix?

      The fact that haven't bothered to look into American missile development doesn't mean America isn't constantly working on missiles.

      Russia has nothing that matches current gen NATO or Chinese air to air missiles.

      Also, AIM-260.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Why did the US never explore long-range A2A missiles after the Phoenix?
      We did, under the Advanced Air-to-Air Missile (AAAM) program, designated the AIM-152, AIM-155(?), etc. Many companies produced prototypes. Though, the cost far outweighed the benefits at that point in time. The AIM-54 was made to protect CSGs from Soviet bomber formations, and those disappeared when the USSR collapsed. Plus, the AEGIS MDS grow into its own around the same time, allowing for longer range intercepts from escort ships. Furthermore, the AIM-120D was shown to have more than enough range, and anymore wouldn't be tactically effective. Meaning either the ROEs or radar limit the maximum engagement range to where an AIM-120D is sufficient. This was the same problem the US encountered with the Talos missiles. Sure, they had longer rangers and faster speeds, but the radars of that time didn't have the range to take advantage of the benefits and the hardware was huge and heavy, so not many ships could even carry them. Even today, I see no extreme need to replace the AIM-120D as the D-3 just got the recorded for longest A2A kill by a US A2A with an F-15. Longer than any AIM-54 shot recorded, even the Iranian one. Then they have the AIM-120D Air-launched Extended Envelope (AXE) which improves the range even further than the D-3s record range. All this is done only by software upgrades and flight path optimization.

      Thread on it here:
      https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/aim-152-aaam-phoenix-replacement-projects.2548/
      https://www.key.aero/forum/modern-military-aviation/5252-aim-155-aaam

      Other source info:
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIM-152_AAAM
      https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/aaam.htm
      https://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/m-152.html

      What's the warhead?

      350lb unitary.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >the AEGIS MDS grow into its own around the same time, allowing for longer range intercepts from escort ships. Furthermore, the AIM-120D was shown to have more than enough range, and anymore wouldn't be tactically effective
        think it should be stated that there's about 30 years of development between these two statements

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Oh boy the russian and chink shills won't like this, brace yourselves for raids in the coming days.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      > the concept missile being shown off at SAS 2024....

      Toys aren't as intimidating as you apparently think.

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's interesting how can Russia achieve the same but having to resort to increase the size of their equipment, compare this to the khinzal

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      tell me where russian planes fly within bombing range of major cities? oh nukes can kill all, questionable.

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Rocket powered so it's going to have short range at hypersonic speeds
    >Too fast to turn
    >Massive thermal signature
    What exactly is the purpose of this?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Hypersonic missiles have the longest range of all missiles. Hypersonic cruise missiles have short range.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >What exactly is the purpose of this?
      to break through medium and short range air defense without spamming missiles and decoys from an entire strike package on one thing
      >Too fast to turn
      turn radius doesn't matter if you're attacking fixed targets as long as your missile is faster than the air defense missile in its endgame and can pull more than half as many Gs, the Pk of current interceptors will be dogshit so now the enemy has to make them bigger, can put fewer of them in VLS-es and launchers, has to have radars and terminal guidance seekers with better track fidelity etc.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Rapid response. Note that air defense systems was the key target category that they mentioned in the video. Ideally you want something that will hit the radar that's trying to track you before it can guide a SAM to your position. Having a missile that's faster than a SAM is one way to do that.

        [...]
        I think you mean the Stand-in Attack Weapon (SiAW), which Northup won last fall. AARGM has been in service for over a decade, and AARGM-ER is in development. SiAW is the *next* program after that.

        Going faster than the SAM only helps if the SAM isn't in front of you.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          spending one of these to hit a missile launched is idiotic. we need to kill the missile launchers where ever they choose to launch their attacks from. this is not hard btw, these missiles are launched from per-arranged locations and they must forgo certain procedures until they're good to fire.
          vaya con dios amigos.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          No, moron, going faster than the SAM helps when you're trying to hit asap from the time the plane enters enemy airspace to before anything can pack up and move.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          yes and in theory you can shoot down anything coming at you with a MANPAD, in practice it doesn't work if the engagement geometry is anything but optimal, that's why SHORAD systems used against air breathing targets can be slow, systems capable of intercepting TBMs will be fast, systems for MRBMs even faster even if the targets are barely maneuvering

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Rapid response. Note that air defense systems was the key target category that they mentioned in the video. Ideally you want something that will hit the radar that's trying to track you before it can guide a SAM to your position. Having a missile that's faster than a SAM is one way to do that.

      I think Lockheed is trying to get the USAF to buy their missile despite it already being rejected, Northrup won the AARGM contract. It didn't look like the USAF disliked Lockheed's missile, though, and has indicated Lockheed could win an extra contract on top of Northrup's contract. Northrup's AARGM isn't hypersonic.

      As for the AARGM, the apparent plan is to lob lots of these missiles at C2, SAM, or time sensitive targets from inside enemy SAM range. I think they're going for an F-14 gameplan where it's okay to open fire from inside enemy range because by the time the enemy missile gets to you, you have long since turned around. Maybe the F-35's stealth is only ruined so much that it still gets into AARGM range and fires.

      Northrup's missile is also typically depicted in volleys of 6 fired from one F-35.

      I think you mean the Stand-in Attack Weapon (SiAW), which Northup won last fall. AARGM has been in service for over a decade, and AARGM-ER is in development. SiAW is the *next* program after that.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Too fast to turn
      the aerodynamic limit on lateral acceleration increases with airspeed. you're chucking a tube with stub wings, every single missile in existence profits from higher airspeed. never in the history of mankind has a missile designer thought "gee, it sure would be nice if this missile was a little slower"

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        what about subsonic cruise missle designers

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          he's very sad he can't go hypersonic as well
          it's what keeps him sleepless at night

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        > Things turn more easily at higher speeds

        The /k/ School of Aeronautics.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >he thinks "turn radius" is relevant for a guidance loop entirely limited by max lateral acceleration

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            > He insists the real change in a trajectory for a fixed lateral acceleration is greater over the smaller time caused by faster forward motion.

            Okay. Guess have fun playing Dodge the Bullets on Range Day.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >he STILL thinks turn radius matters in a guidance loop
              midwit

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

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          here you go, little buddy. happy reading!

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    What's the warhead?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Black Cherry

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >turdies and their shills jerk themselves off relentlessly about hypersonics for years
    >Lockmart casually unveils a better version already ready for production as a side project
    What will the next cope be? Drone memes are increasingly countered by EW and SHORAD platforms already.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      noooooooooo anon drones are the end of all warfare!!!!!!! tank killer infantry killer artillery killer!!!!!

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Lockmart casually unveils a better version already ready for production!!!!

      Meanwhile, in Reality

      > The unveiling at SAS 2024 aimed to generate interest and expedite Mako's development and production for deployment, scalable for mass production.

      So -- it's just a model. Not in production. Not a prototype. Not even at the development stage.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Literally the last sentence of this article

        https://www.navalnews.com/event-news/sea-air-space-2024/2024/04/lockheed-martin-unveils-mako-hypersonic-missile/

        >However, Mako is “ready to fly, ready now, and is ready to go in scale and into production quickly.”
        Cope more turdie

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Your source

          > Aaron-Matthew is a freelance writer based in Washington, D.C. He is currently studying International Relations at American University

          So, maybe don't climb out on that particular limb.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            That's a quote from the lockmart missile program manager moron, not the journo that wrote the article

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >we've never made a prototype yet we know its ready for mass production
              okay

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          This means nothing and isn't true. The closest thing to operational status Lockheed has actually confirmed is that the missile fits on a launch rail. This thing is like five years from production if funding arrives today.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >However, Mako is “ready to fly, ready now, and is ready to go in scale and into production quickly.”
          >Cope more turdie
          absolutely fricking PATHETIC

          lmfao so let me get this straight:
          >hundreds of millions of $dollars spent, in total failure
          >no less than 3 congressional reports about hypseronic failure
          >no less than 3 failed hypersonic weapons platforms, across the totality of US armed forces
          and now *ALL OF A SUDDEN* lockheed comes out of fricking left field with some magic, tiny, micro-sized hypersonic missile that is ready for production and deployment today?

          >AHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
          lol, lmfao even
          only /k/ could believe this^

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >he doesn't know about stand-in attack weapon
            It's just a Mach5 rocket-ramjet. Lockheeb lost the competition so they're reselling it. To you this stuff might seem like a wunderwaffe but for the West it's simply an update for the HARM/JAGM/SDBII category.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              so where is the intake if its a ramjet? is their a fairing that pops off to reveal the intake once its going fast enough activate the ramjet?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Who knows? Idk it could be a pure rocket like a mini Khinzhal. I'm just amazed at the scientifically illiterate mongs who hear 'hypersonic' in the context of theatre range missiles and compare it to 'hypersonic' in the context of a tactical antisurface weapon. It's like comparing a Tomahawk to a 300 blackout in technological sophistication.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                the way its assymetric from top to bottom it might be a boost glide vehicle

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              No it isn't. That isn't what a ramjet nose looks like. You can clearly see from the video that it's a ballistic missile.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Lockheed has a warehouse full of hypersonic missiles. Right next to the warehouse full of rail guns.

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    1 in every bay, payload what 50kg?

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    hypersonic missiles existed in the American arsenal since the 60s and they were hypersonic AA since the 70s until the F-14 retired.

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    About time something replaced those old, slow ass harpoona

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Lockheed Martin unveils .jpg of Mako hypersonic missile it created in photoshop
    lmfao, let me guess:

    >"planned"
    >"in development"
    >"currently on track"
    >"expected 2032"
    >"awaiting funding"
    >"promises to...."
    lmfao, its YET MORE fricking .jpg US_vaporware

    absolute clown tier
    Funny, lol /k/ is "hyping" a fake, not-even-hypersonic cruise missile, like filthy 'vatniks' when AHAHHAHAHAHAHAH
    >"the tHe Us HaD tHe PeRsHiNg iN tHe 1950's!! hypersanic is a meme haha TRASH even!!!"
    lmfao, what changed^??

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Just saw the ad for these on youtube; an old Tomcat pilot's pitching these to the Navy.

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Oof, turdie having a meltdown.
    Simmer down

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >we've never had a flight test , but its ready tho

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    paint some blue twintails on the sides and call it hatsune mako

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