Going into combat with a loaded down ruck is a pretty retarded thing to do and only really works when you have a powerful Airforce that can just drob GBU's for days. But for things like guerrilla fighters that are, let's say operating as a platoon to company cell. How would one conduct logistics so that the line units aren't humping around fuck off rucks? This question does not pertain to patrolling and patrol base operations where rucks can be left at said base (ideally with a small security force). I'm talking about moving in and hitting objectives and taking territory.
Would you simply leave your shit at an assembly area or tied up to trucks that are being held in a secure location? What would (You) do? What do actual light infantry units do irl?
Leave them at trenches
The answer is a patrol base
I don't think a battalion level attack is going to set up a patrol base.
OP said platoon or company, not battalion.
Pretty sure "light" infantry carries more shit on them than anybody else.
When I larp, I just try to do it Nam-style, a ruck and lbe kit, ruck gets dropped on contact at a rally point or something. I can live/fight out of the LBE for three days, I can camp and resupply out of the ruck for longer. This is much easier when you have no access to explosives, powerful radios, advanced med equipment, etc. Just a fat retard with his rifle and some mags and camping gear
Heard stories from oldfags that served by during the Cold war in light infantry units. Only time they really packed heavy was when they were being used as proper skirmisher light infantry focusing on squad level patrol operations either way beyond the FLOT or even behind the enemy FLOT where their only supply was whatever they could carry. If they were tied into the logistics on the other hand, they would never be caught dead with anything beyond a buttpack on them for sustainment. Everything, rucks and all would be ferried in via combat trains and field trains at company/battalion, and even all the way at the division level.
From what I gathered, due to the retarded nature of GWOT and how forces were arrayed, that whole concept got kind of fucked which lead to the current tier one gamer meta of getting into combat with a 100 pound ruck and that being considered normal.
Random picture of US Marines for fun.
>which lead to the current tier one gamer meta of getting into combat with a 100 pound ruck and that being considered normal.
I was under the impression most US troops in Iraq, during 1991 and the opening stages of 2003, used exactly the system you described though? I thought the knee shattering ruck meme was confined to Afghanistan.
Iraq was a yes or no post invasion. The development of the modern tactic of "fix em with the 240's, fuck em with the GBU's" was being created which meant humping an absurd amount of ammo with you. That being said, most fighting in Iraq was city fighting and was heavily motorized. Afghanistan was where things went super retarded though.
It is a question of trust. Do you, as an infantryman, trust your personal gear to last as long as necessary? Pain of carrying few pounds more is nothing compared to being without something you actually need.
>I can live... out of the LBE for three days,
How do you fit enough shit to do that in your LBE?
NTA. By not taking retarded shit with you and living off emergency rations or other high density food. Its not that hard, just uncomfortable. As long as you know how to generate drinking water in the field its easy.
Example load bong LBE (setup pic rel):
2 of 4 ammo cells with mags
1 with medical
1 with misc stuff thast mission specific
1 GP pouch with warming layer and a pair of socks
1 GP pouch with canteen, 2 plastic bags
1 GP pouch emergency rations and other food related items
Jerry rig poncho on top of GP pouches.
To add: 2 sheets of baby wipes, a boxer and maybe a tshirt.
>The alice buttpack is a pathway to many abilities many would find... unnatural.
But yeah, basically what the other guy said. It's not comfy, it's me subsisting on pouches of food and shivering wrapped up in a tarp and maybe a woobie, but I have my basic needs covered.
They say you LIVE out of the rig, but you THRIVE out of the ruck
I'm glad you asked about guerillas, it's one of my favorite subjects.
The guerilla does not need a logistics chain at all, a Cherokee tribal warrior from the 19th century frontier is a guerilla fighter. Guerillas can fish and hunt, they can survive in the wilderness if their supplies dwindle, and they build bases in the wilderness for defense, resupply, traps, command, recon, among other things.
The guerilla can appear and disappear with an ease that counter-insurgents have historically described as supernatural. Either blending into the local population or disappearing into hidden underground tunnels and caves. Counter-insurgents need to orchestrate a massive and expensive logistics operation to suppress an insurgency, and this is why guerillas have the inherit advantage in asymmetric warfare. They require less to do more.
So a guerilla could patrol trails and bases with just plainclothes and a rifle, maybe some mag carriers or even concealed plates. At a moment's notice, they can conceal their weapon/gear and appear as a normal civilian. Or they can disappear into a guerilla base and resupply, sleep, have a meal, etc.
The counter-insurgent is the intruder. Not only do they require more to match guerillas, they have to worry about traps, ambushes, and the often-overlooked importance of logistics. They also have to stay on good terms with the locals to get intel, because the locals will provide intel to the guerillas either way. They have to lock down entire towns to prevent insurgents or potential insurgents from going in/out and historically they tortured a lot of innocent people to get intelligence. Or they just napalmed entire towns and forests, because every man, woman, and child is a potential insurgent or future insurgent.
>At a moment's notice, they can conceal their weapon/gear and appear as a normal civilian.
Or they can just claim to be hunters in the wilderness doing some hunting, perhaps hogs, if we are talking about contemporary American guerillas i.e. veteran militias
Hog hunting is an accurate term for rounding up zionist politicians and bankers
Hunters were frequently executed in coins. It's a bad cover.
In JRTC, the 1st SGT/XO Will be ferrying supplies with an LMTV or similar vehicle.
If you want to know more about Guerilla fighting/logistics/sustainment look up:
or his Odysee
If I’m reading your question correctly you are asking about a combat out post, and setting up a forward operation base.
Idk what I’m talking about but I believe you set up an outpost then a fob as you increase security of an area allowing you to move supplies forward.
The guerrilla aspect might mean that these have to be hidden as opposed to conventional forces that would have more overt bases. Maybe not so much a fob but a series of outposts maybe along an easily defensible mountain side or different buildings, houses, or apartments in an urban environment that guerrillas can link up at. There are a lot of advantages if you think about it as long as communication is good.