Light And Heavy Infantry

What is /k/'s definition and implementation/capabilities of light infantry and heavy infantry in the context of modern warfare?

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  1. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Doesn’t matter because patriot intercepted a hypersonic missile in combat and no other BMD system has

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Do people unironically have this as a take?

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        It’s what happened so yes it’s a widely held piece of knowledge

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        sorry we didn't know it was hypersonic.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      I thought that turned out to be inaccurate?

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        It didn't. You fell for propaganda.

  2. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    light -> normal infantry
    heavy -> powered armor

    obviously

  3. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    light -> RSI not covered by VA
    heavy -> RSI not covered by VA

  4. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Light infantry:
    >highly mobile and relies mainly on stealth and surprise
    >primarily attacks via infiltration, raids, and hasty attacks
    >primarily defends via ambushes and counterattacks
    >actually light and fast with excellent fieldcraft
    >occupies the close terrain while still retaining the ability to fight in open terrain if need be
    >mostly expeditionary and self sustaining by living off the land

    Heavy infantry:
    >mechanized or motorized
    >heavy reliance on firepower and supporting fires
    >mainly used for occupying open terrain and for rapid exploitation and breaching operations
    >infantry act more as scouts at best and local security for the armored vehicles that clear rough terrain when needed
    >bypass bypass bypass
    >massive logistics train being fed via corps/army+ supply dumps

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      So close anon! Scratch the infantry as scouts part for HI and this will be the first accurate take I've seen on /k/ about this.

  5. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Light infanty walks around. The others don't.
    >context of modern warfare
    Colored duct tape helmets and drone grenades.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      in US future divisional arrangement, the heavy division will be composed of CABTs and SBCTs while light divisions are mostly IBCTs

      so a heavy division has more tanks, all their infantry mounted inside IFVs, and supported with troops in strykers
      this means that they have incredible punch from a relatively small force with a high degree of tactical mobility

      a light division is composed of infantry brigades with a small number of tanks in support
      compared to the heavy division, all of the troops ride in trucks from the baggage train or in light wheeled vehicles
      troops have much more limited tactical mobility because they have to demount far from AO and this means they cant carry nearly as much firepower with them

      so in operational terms, heavy divisions are used in maneuver while the light divisions are used for shaping the battlefield

      light infantry no vehicles
      heavy infantry has vehicles

      These

      Light infantry is the heaviest infantry

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        So light infantry is just motorized infantry, right? Trucks/quads/bikes/buggies/etc.
        Light infantry are not literally hoofing it on foot everywhere in a battlefield, right?

        Why would the light (motorized) infantry be the heaviest? The vehicles (or robotic mules in some cases) are the ones carrying the infantry and their shit around.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Actual light infantry are heavily decentralized self sustaining units that are effectively a military's guerrilla force. This concept has been butchered though because it's easier to sink money in weapons programs and contracts than into fieldcraft training for the riflemen.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Motorized in the modern context generally refers to infantry mounted in APCs that are usually wheeled, e.g. the Stryker and BTR-80s

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Hasn't won any wars

      The SAS played a major role in allies victories in Africa and precusors to the green berets great helped the war effort in Europe by training partisans . While I do think infantry obviously wins war , theres no doubt special forces makes their job easier .

  6. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    in US future divisional arrangement, the heavy division will be composed of CABTs and SBCTs while light divisions are mostly IBCTs

    so a heavy division has more tanks, all their infantry mounted inside IFVs, and supported with troops in strykers
    this means that they have incredible punch from a relatively small force with a high degree of tactical mobility

    a light division is composed of infantry brigades with a small number of tanks in support
    compared to the heavy division, all of the troops ride in trucks from the baggage train or in light wheeled vehicles
    troops have much more limited tactical mobility because they have to demount far from AO and this means they cant carry nearly as much firepower with them

    so in operational terms, heavy divisions are used in maneuver while the light divisions are used for shaping the battlefield

  7. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Light infantry: Euro (healthy weight but lacks armament)
    Heavy infantry: American (Significantly overweight but carries a multitude of assigned and private weapons)

  8. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    light infantry no vehicles
    heavy infantry has vehicles

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      [...]
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      These

      Light infantry is the heaviest infantry

      This seems like a really stupid way at making the difference between light and heavy infantry being simply that one has vehicles to ride in and the other does not as if that is the only difference.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        What other difference is there?
        Vehicle-delivered infantry arrive light on their feet ready to fight with heavy firepower, hence 'heavy.'
        Light infantry stagger around under a rucksack full of water and food before running low on ammo halfway into their first fight.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >This seems like a really stupid way at making the difference between light and heavy infantry being simply that one has vehicles to ride in and the other does not as if that is the only difference.

        But it's true. In the US at least light infantry only has light wheeled trucks like Humvees and now JLTVs. Our "medium" infantry uses Strykers, and our heavy/mechanized infantry uses Bradley's and operates in conjunction with Abrams tanks.

        You could go more in depth, but the bottom line is that light infantry doesn't have armored fighting vehicles of any kind. Thus light infantry is the heaviest because they have to carry their rucks everywhere when other units could use a Bradley or Stryker.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        The difference between having vehicles and not completely changes your fighting ability and style. If you try sending mechanized infantry into the mountains or the jungle or need to do an amphibious raid with them they're going be very vulnerable because they're tied to the limited amount of places their vehicles can go, so we have light infantry to work without significant vehicle support while retaining as much capability as possible

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Let's hear your alternative then.
        Because having vehicles or not and all that it implies is the most succinct way of describing it, especially in in the context of modern warfare

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      [...]
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      These

      Light infantry is the heaviest infantry

      [...]
      This seems like a really stupid way at making the difference between light and heavy infantry being simply that one has vehicles to ride in and the other does not as if that is the only difference.

      motorized infantry is just light infantry.
      heavy infantry don't exist, outside maybe those memers that Russia would show off with the ballistic helmets.
      Mechanized infantry is the next best thing until we get full body plate armor made from wonder-material.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Mechanized is heavy infantry, you silly goose. And motorized is not the same as light.

        >Light Infantry
        Stragetically - highly mobile (can get to theater quickly)
        Operationally - low to medium mobility (moves slow on foot, but can be fast on wheels)
        Tactically - low mobility (moves slow on foot and under fire
        >Medium infantry
        Stragetically - low to medium mobility (slow to get to theater, but still faster than tanks and mechanized)
        Operationally - highly mobile (can get to the fight quickly on good terrain, but limited on poor terrain)

        Tactically - medium to high mobility (can move under fire, but still has to beware of enemy vehicles and heavy ordinance)
        >Mechanized/Heavy Infantry
        Stragetically - very low mobility (takes significant time and resources to move in theater)
        Operationally - highly mobile ( can get to the fight very quickly in most terrain that isn't mountainous)
        Tactically - highly mobile (can move under fire and respond to armor threats with own vehicle firepower or intergrated armor support.)

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Mechanized is heavy infantry, you silly goose.
          I said "next best thing", but meant "the modern equivalent".
          >And motorized is not the same as light.
          and the same again here, it's rare to not have infantry that has access to some motor assets but they don't offer much tactical benefit.

          and this is mainly talking about the US. Agree with your post in general though

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Technically though, mechanized infantry does have the heaviest armor. On its vehicles.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Imbecile, dirtbikes sand rails and technicals are totally light infantry. Mechanized ie: apcs tanks strikers etc are heavy. You dont know shit about frick.

  9. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >light infantry
    Skirmishers, cannot seize or hold ground indefinetely, small logistical foortprint.

    >heavy infantry
    Line troops, can seize and hold ground indefinetly, medium logistical footprint.

  10. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    light infantryman here
    we get wheeled to the forward base and take it by foot from there
    parachute insertion capability is there but unlikely
    job is to disrupt the enemies supply lines and create nusance in their backlines (sabotage/skirmish for small but important bridges, airfields etc)

  11. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Mechanized infantry > All

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      That's motorised infantry though

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Motorized means riding in the backs of trucks. IFVs and APCs are mechanized

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Mechanized infantry > All
      >*laughs in opium*

  12. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Light infantry is stragegically mobile, heavy infantry is generally just mechanized infantry and strategically immobile. So light infantry might ride in helicopter, humvees, or generally light transports. Heavy infantry ride in shit like BMPs and M2s well armed and armoured with more firepower integrated at the squad and platoon level by virtue of their heavier transports being better armed.

  13. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    There's infantry and there's MARINES
    OORAH
    Not even delties have anything on the Marine killing machines
    A Marine can carry TWICE the equipment any other infrantry man could, which doesn't matter ANYWAY, as a Marine could kill ANYONE with His bare hands.
    MARINES are the super-heavy, super-mobile hand of freedom!

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

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      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Not the best I’ve seen, not the worst. 3.6 rodgens, not great not terrible.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Rah

      https://i.imgur.com/EkULTpq.jpg

      What is /k/'s definition and implementation/capabilities of light infantry and heavy infantry in the context of modern warfare?

      YAT-YAS motherfrickers

  14. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Light infantry fights insurgencies. Disposable african mercs with G3 and M-79.

    Heavy infantry fights peer wars. Army veterans in EOD and Exo with M3M and STK40.

  15. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    This picture makes my knees and back hurt.
    I am also now dehydrated, sleepy, and angry.

  16. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >What is /k/'s definition and implementation/capabilities of light infantry and heavy infantry in the context of modern warfare?
    There are really three types of infantry:
    >light infantry - designed to operate without the support of vehicles, cheap or specialized (mountain, air assault, etc.), low logistics load.
    >mechanized - heavy, designed to operate with vehicles supporting operations which usually means tanks + tracked APCs/IFVs, very expensive but brings a massive amount of firepower to the battle, high logistics load.
    >motorized - medium, an in between mix between mechanized and light infantry with the concept originally coming from the USSR where the infantry are supported with wheeled vehicles (but can operate without them if needed). Good for expeditionary armies (see the Stryker Brigade concept) or for countries that have large armies but cannot afford to make all their infantry mechanized (which is why the USSR created the concept by putting their light infantry into BTRs).

    What it comes down to, is that mechanized infantry will absolutely vaporize anything and everything that stands in it's path but is vulnerable incases where the environment restricts vehicle movement (mountains, jungles, etc.) which is where light infantry can properly counter them. Contrary to popular belief, urban environments are not a restriction to mechanized infantry if there is no qualms with levelling the city (see Russia in Chechnya).

    Here are some videos talking about the topic in-depth:

    Also checkout Battle Order as well.

  17. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >light
    Most countries
    >heavy
    American

  18. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Never got why this is light infantry, like that shit looks pretty heavy to me.

  19. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    The heavier you are the longer you can sustain yourself behind enemy lines or in an overextended position. The flip side to that is that you're more vulnerable to being encircled, flanked, spotted and taken out- regardless of how many soldiers were inserted with you. So, in theory, air assault troops should probably be loaded down pretty heavy.

    However it doesn't make too much sense. How long do soldiers really last on a battlefield without vehicle and heavy weapons support? If armored vehicles or infantry fighting vehicles aren't sent alongside your forces then what's the point in loading a soldier up like this? If they are sent, then they can carry the gear, if they aren't, will any of them survive long enough to use the damn extra supplies? Okay so maybe that's not the scenario, maybe the scenario is that you're doing counter insurgency and you have to collect intelligence on enemy movements, location and organization. Well you're not going to blend in with a massive fricking rucksack loaded onto your back.

    It definitely doesn't make sense to be this over encumbered when you're fighting house to house. You're always going to have to have a spot where you leave the rest of your supplies and gear while you go and fight.
    It doesn't make sense in a trench, you've got your dugout or bunker to leave your supplies and gear in.

    Doesn't really make sense for large mechanized offensives either because, yet again there are APC's, Technicals, IFV's to leave your ruck sack in that can transport your goodies. Unless you must conduct an offensive while being dangerously short on vehicle transport- the "heavy" infantry concept doesn't make any sense and is not practical at all.

    At least until pic related gets invented..

  20. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Light infantry means you know how to TAB like a real man, that's all it is
    Nothing about their equipment load is light

  21. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Light infantry can operate 200+ meters away from transport
    Heavy infantry cannot

  22. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >light infantry
    Loaded up on equipment and gear so that they can operate more independently from vehicles... yet are expected to fight in terrain which is unfavorable to mechanized forces. Which would still be unfavorable to fight in for regular infantry if they are weighed down by a ton of shit.

    How the hell does that make any sense? Vietcong, WW2 Partisans, ISIS, Taliban, etc fought in environments that were not conducive to heavy or even light vehicles, yet were not weighed down the way we weigh down "light" infantry.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Because the expeditionary occupying force needs to take their shit with them as a part of the massive logistical effort?
      >Be towel head
      >Wake up
      >Brush teeth with mud
      >Grab rusty AKM
      >Chew some khat
      >Go walk round in the sun shooting at distant shapes and running away
      >Let kids mangle themselves maintaing your (opioid) farm, can always have more
      >Sleep
      >Repeat
      >JDAM'd
      Why is Terry gonna lug all that shit if he goes back to his mud hut every night?

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >most/all historical/modern guerilla fighters were fighting directly in their hometowns and home cities
        What evidence of this is there, and why would you assume it so confidently? I'm sure there were plenty of situations where Vietcong, Taliban or ISIS moved in great numbers to places far from their original cities in order to conduct resistance operations.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Because even if they arent fighting in the direct vicinity of their own hometown, theyre fighting in the vicinity of someone elses. If there is enough popular support they can have caches and supplies hidden all over the place. They dont have to bring food and munitions from home, because they can just pick it up at someone elses.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        opioid is a synthetic opiate, what the frick is an opioid farm?

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          I think he meant poppy farm

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Because his mud hut is hundreds of miles away across mountain ranges in Pakistan

  23. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Light Infantry may be "underequipped" for certain scenarios.

    Heavy Infantry may develop back & knee problems.

  24. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Heavy Infantry = American
    Light Infantry = all other countries

  25. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >What is /k/'s definition and implementation/capabilities of light infantry and heavy infantry in the context of modern warfare?

    Light infantry makes cool in war edits

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